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post #91 of 103
10/21/08 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by TNG View Post

...What I seen was a scene that was shifiting from a light, bright area to a darker shadowed area. The set seemed slow to react and gradually got brighter over approx 5 seconds. This to me smacks of some auto adjusting feature that many manufactures put in their sets so they can say they are Energy Star compliant. My set has this, and I found it so distracting that it got turned off within 3 days....

Actually, I learned through another thread that Energy Star ratings on TVs are based on how much power it uses when turned off. Nothing to do with power consumption when on.

This rating method will change next month. I really feel the current Energy Star rating is deceptive.
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post #92 of 103
10/21/08 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by plmn View Post

Actually, I learned through another thread that Energy Star ratings on TVs are based on how much power it uses when turned off. Nothing to do with power consumption when on.

This rating method will change next month. I really feel the current Energy Star rating is deceptive.

The new rating is called Energy Star 3.0. The 9G Kuros already have this rating (Standard mode only)
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post #93 of 103
10/23/08 at 2:31pm
Be not fooled by the junk science that attempts to explain away the apparent weakness of plasma.

The best instrustment to judge a display is the human eye. All people can see that plasmas are not as bright as LCD. And they don't produce a true white. Even the best of plasmas like a Kuro can't. Yeah they look white when they're not side by side with a LCD display.

BTW, I don't know how anyone can be drawn to a Pioneer plasma over a Samsung LCD like an 850 in a showroom setting. Those LCD look spectacular in the showroom, the PDP's look second rate.



BTW
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post #94 of 103
10/24/08 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

The best instrustment to judge a display is the human eye.

I agree, I have recommended many times to people that they spend more time watching before they buy than reading specs and listening to others opinions.

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BTW, I don't know how anyone can be drawn to a Pioneer plasma over a Samsung LCD like an 850 in a showroom setting. Those LCD look spectacular in the showroom, they PDP's look second rate.

See your first quote if you can't figure that one out. It is a personal preference, and BTW I am not a real plasma fan either, I own 2 LCD's and agree with you on the brightness of plasma. However some people don't.
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post #95 of 103
10/24/08 at 6:50pm
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BTW, I don't know how anyone can be drawn to a Pioneer plasma over a Samsung LCD like an 850 in a showroom setting. Those LCD look spectacular in the showroom, they PDP's look second rate.



BTW

Its because most of us dont watch our PDP's in a showroom and LCD torch mode doesn''t appeal to some of us.
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post #96 of 103
10/25/08 at 4:18pm
Today, the wife & I looked at the plasmas & the lcd's. She also could tell the difference between the plasma & lcd brightness. But she did like the 58" Panasonic plasma
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post #97 of 103
10/28/08 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by DerekNJND View Post

WARNING - very newbie question here. OK thats my disclaimer. I'm a LCD user thinking about making the switch to plasma because I hate motion blur but can't stand the lack of brightness that all plasmas seem to have.

My dilema is this: Have about $2,500 give or take to spend on a new flat screen. I'm debating between a new Samsung LCD 52A650 (or 630), Panasonic plsma 50pz85u, or Samsung plasma pna650.

Now, as a matter of personal preference, I just like to have a TV picture that really "pops" - brightness is critical to me liking my TV. I've had these sets hooked up to the same exact source in a local electronics shop (actually done this at a few places) and no matter settings I play with or adjustments I make, the image is always duller on plasmas. Is this just an inherent strength of LCD's, the fact that they shine so brightly? Frankly, I can't stand the motion blur of an LCD since I watch alot of sports, but my living room where the new tv will be ranges from extremely bright to dark at times...so I really need to have a bright set.


So to recap - first question - are plasmas just inherently "darker" than LCD's? Will whites always be "greyer" on a plasma? Do any plasmas, besides the ones I've toyed with above, do a better job?

Second question - does 120Hz really reduce motion blur? the instore demos don't prove a thing if you ask me (the split-screen sets). But my current set has DISGUSTING motion blur (its a 42LCD64U sharp) and it drives me nuts watching action movies and sports. BUT it also is not as noticeable when watching blue-rays. Perhaps SOME level of motion blur is going to be present always when watching live TV, due to fast moving cameras, players, etc. Right now, motion blur would be my ONLY reason for switching from LCD to plasma. From what I've seen, the new LCD's (ie sammy 650, 750) reduce it quite a bit...but hard to say without watching sports for a long period, and without having ever owned a plasma, if it is as good as plasmas.

any help is appreciated. thx fellas

I have owned a plasma for the past three years and I can attest to the fact that they are not dull. You can set the thing from a overly bright "scorching torch" mode to something akin to an old washed out painting. Mine is set somewhere in the middle of those extremes. As for the whites, mine show up just fine; snow looks like snow, etc. Also, mine is not 120htz, but motion on mine is fine. I watch alot of sports and I can tell you that the clarity, colors, and activity on the field are a joy to watch. It is almost better than being there.
Now to be fair, I have never owned an LCD (that might happen later this year, or maybe not if I get another plasma), so I cannot fairly compare one to my plasma.

Mike
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post #98 of 103
10/30/08 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

Its because most of us dont watch our PDP's in a showroom and LCD torch mode doesn''t appeal to some of us.

I don't watch my plasma in the torch mode. I don't watch any of my displays in the torch mode.
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post #99 of 103
10/30/08 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

I don't watch my plasma in the torch mode. I don't watch any of my displays in the torch mode.

See this is where LCD has issues IMO. Once you drop the backlight out of torch mode you start to lose brightness at all APL values. This starts to hurt the low APL end. OLED, CRT and Plasma avoid this. That is one of many advantages of dynamic brightness over a static backlight.
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post #100 of 103
10/31/08 at 5:01am
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Originally Posted by xrox View Post

See this is where LCD has issues IMO. Once you drop the backlight out of torch mode you start to lose brightness at all APL values. This starts to hurt the low APL end. OLED, CRT and Plasma avoid this. That is one of many advantages of dynamic brightness over a static backlight.

I thought I'd also mention that if a person craves night time black levels that your brightness will significantly change after you calibrate and LCD to accomodate this. I checked out last year's Sony LCD (can't recall if it was the XBR4 or 5) in a darkened room in a Sony Store by turning down the black light and putting it on power save and in most cases it was significantly dimmer last years Pioneer displays (not to mention the black levels didn't even compare also). The funny thing is once I finished the sales person came in and turned the lights on.

The average Joe doesn't realize how black levels change on LCDs until he gets his TV home and starts watching movies in the dark. When I first got into digital displays I was shocked at how awful black levels were on my Samsung HLN617W when I saw it in a darkened room. I had never seen those results viewing them in CC, BB, or HH Gregg.
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post #101 of 103
11/1/08 at 4:54am
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

When I first got into digital displays I was shocked at how awful black levels were on my Samsung HLN617W when I saw it in a darkened room. I had never seen those results viewing them in CC, BB, or HH Gregg.

Same here.
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post #102 of 103
11/1/08 at 5:30am
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

Same here.
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Lol Chad?
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post #103 of 103
11/1/08 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Lol Chad?

ROTFLMAO.
I fell asleep at the computer again.
lmao
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