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From Multichannel News, By Todd Spangler

Panasonic Takes Tru2way HDTVs To Retail
Comcast to Switch on tru2way Support in Chicago and Denver

Panasonic said it has shipped the first tru2way-based HDTVs to a retailer in suburban Chicago, while Comcast's Chicago and Denver systems have gone live with tru2way.

The developments mark a key go-to-market milestone for the cable industry's interactive services standard for consumer electronics devices that has been more than a decade in development.

Panasonic's first tru2way-enabled Viera plasma HDTVs will be offered in 42- and 50-inch sizes. The sets include a tru2way cable receiver -- eliminating the need for a separate set-top box -- that should theoretically work in any cable system that supports the technology.

Panasonic said its tru2way-certified Viera HDTVs are now available at Abt Electronics in Glenview, Ill., and will be available in the Chicago area at Circuit City locations. In Denver, the sets will be available at Ultimate Electronics and Circuit City stores.

We see tru2way technology as the gateway for our customers to experience the next generation of interactive television, and our work with Panasonic to develop and support the first fully digital-cable-ready HDTVs is an important first step in making that happen, said Mark Hess, Comcast's senior vice president of video product development, in a statement.

tru2way also represents the cable industry's desire to provide its own technology for consumer electronics makersincluding Panasonic, Sony and Samsung Electronicsto access two-way cable services, instead of the Federal Communications Commission imposing an alternate standard.

Earlier this summer, Panasonic's tru2way HDTVs reportedly failed CableLabs certification testing for the spec, leading to speculation that the products would not meet the target of shipping for the 2008 holiday season.

Getting the tru2way products into the retail channel has been a priority for Comcast and Panasonic. The two companies have heavily promoted their collaboration on tru2way technology, touting their plans at the Consumer Electronics Show in January and at the NCTA's Cable Show '08 in May.

The TH-42PZ80Q 42-inch model will have a suggested retail price of $1,599.95, and the TH-50PZ80Q 50-inch unit will list at $2,299.95.

Both TVs feature 480-Hz sub-field drive for sharp motion image focus, 1,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio and a built-in SD memory card reader for playing back digital photos.
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How long before the finger pointing starts (between Comcast and Panasonic) when one of these TVs doesn't work properly?

I still don't see why Comcast would be pushing this technology when it means loss of STB rent revenue - unless they plan to charge monthly fees for one of these TVs.
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Yep, any solution that still requires a Cablecard truck roll install is still a bad solution. But it's a start, I guess.

As long as Comcast et al stay in the 'it's not our box, why would you want a card?' mode, Cablecards will continue to suck and tru2way still depends on them.
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Sorry, I won't buy it. Both Comcast and Time Warner have been a disaster in Houston. For years they have promised the sun, the moon, and the stars and have been unable to deliver what they have promised. Yes it is true I have seen isolated pockets in a City of over 2 million people where it does work occasionally; but for the vast majority it does not work.

AT&T Universe has had very limited success in an exceptionally small geographical area.

Verizon FIOS, has been successful for an virtually insignificant percent of the population - essentially being fully restricted from providing service by State and Local laws. This channels all monies - profit to AT&T and Comcast - zero competition.

Panasonic - Shame on you! Just provide us with basic TV Guide for Free OTA service - the same that is provided in the European models. You could also add to that the HD Satellite service provided for the UK.

Panasonic, you want to sell TV's - then provide solid reliable free OTA service with TV Guide to the masses, and they will sell like Hot Cakes! This time learn how to market it!
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Originally Posted by biker19 View Post

How long before the finger pointing starts (between Comcast and Panasonic) when one of these TVs doesn't work properly?

Possible, but less likely in this case, as they actually want this to succeed.

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I still don't see why Comcast would be pushing this technology when it means loss of STB rent revenue - unless they plan to charge monthly fees for one of these TVs.

Because, according to the experts here, they make little or no profit on boxes, when figuring in the administrative cost, in addition to the box cost.
No different fees than what they have now. CCs are $0-2 for one. A/O fees still apply for second and beyond outlets.

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Yep, any solution that still requires a Cablecard truck roll install is still a bad solution. But it's a start, I guess.

Who says CableCard will always require a truck roll?
There are some areas where CCs can picked up or sent to the customer, eventually it will be like that everywhere.

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As long as Comcast et al stay in the 'it's not our box, why would you want a card?' mode, Cablecards will continue to suck and tru2way still depends on them.

As I said before, they actually want them to succeed, because with tru2way, through the CC, the Comcast interface and all of its services are accessable through the TV.
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The proof will be in the deployment, QZ1. I still think requiring Cablecards is a bad interim step towards the end goal, which is to have TVs and DVRs that don't require any cableCo hardware to get all of their services. Even then, the cableCos will want to force their interface on the user instead of letting the CE industry innovate. And we all know that Cablecard support has been abysmal.

Right now I think we're still operating like we did with old Ma Bell, where you can have any phone you want as long as it's big, ugly, and black. Maybe OCAP (with the FCC's help) will eventually get us to devices that are fully interoperable, without forced user interface requirements or extra hardware. Because it ain't gonna happen if we just let the cableCos enforce whatever they want at CableLabs. We've already seen that with the locked down HTPC requirements.
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I read that the new tru2way S4 Tivo they are working on (probably at least a year out) will allow for Tivo's interface on linear and SDV channels and Guide, while allowing the MSO's interface for OD and PPV. I think that is a fair deal, and I would imagine tru2way TVs would work the same way. Of course, there will be problems implementing this, as there always are. My main point was that MSOs want this to succeed, therefore they will make a better effort to make it happen.
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My main point was that MSOs want this to succeed, therefore they will make a better effort to make it happen.

Yes they do want it to succeed and are willing to accept some bumps in the road and a learning curve to get there. The profits are in the services, not the boxes.
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We'll see, but I don't trust them. Not with their current, deeply-ingrained 'it's not our box' mentality.
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We'll see, but I don't trust them. Not with their current, deeply-ingrained 'it's not our box' mentality.

That mentality stems from CC DVRs and TVs not being capable of providing OD and PPV. Paid OD and PPV are direct sources of revenue. Included ('free') OD also helps to retain customers (revenue) as a value added service. Always follow the money. Tru2way now provides all of these services, thus the paradigm has been changed.
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