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post #301 of 451
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I'm looking for some advice.

Originally, I had the Klipsch RF-83's, RC-64 and RB-35's with Velodyne HGS15. RB-35's are mounted on the back wall, very high up. Due to them being mounted so high, I never experienced much benefit from having them there since they are literally angled towards the front screen. All of the sound shoots over the back row and even the front row.

I recently purchased a pair of NIB Klipsch RS-35's and had a friend make me a custom mount for them since I had to mount one over a sliding glass door. I watched a few demo clips and immediately was thrilled to finally hear surrounds as they should be heard. Very enveloping, unlike what I was experiencing with my badly placed RB-35's.

About 3 days after I mounted the RS-35's, I came across a sweet deal on a pair of Klipsch RS-52's which should match my system better. I pulled the RS-35's down and mounted the RS-52's. I watched my first movie with my new surrounds (Michael Jackson's "This is It") and it was incredible. My review here.

So for now, the RS-35's are back in their original boxes, the RS-52's are mounted on the side walls and the RB-35's are still mounted high on the back wall.



Here is where I need some advice. I have a few options I am considering:

Option 1 - 7.1 System:
Sell the RB-35's and speaker mounts and mount the RS-35's on the back wall (lower and the same height as the RS-52's. This would bring them closer together than the RB-35's are since the door is in the way.

Option 2 - 5.1 System:
Sell the RB-35's, speaker mounts and the RS-35's and stick with a solid 5.1 system.

Here are my thoughts regarding the two options:

Option 1:
The RS-35's are light and would be easy to mount since they only require a drywall anchor and screw to mount them to the wall. I would need to fish the speaker wire through the wall and over and down a few feet from where they currently are. I would need to patch the holes from the RB-35's mounts. Could use the money from the sell towards three acoustic panels. With a 7.1, the Yamaha might not perform as well with two added speakers.

Options 2:
Could use the money from the sell of both sets of speakers and mount to purchase the Emotiva XPA-3, XPA-5 or a second pair of Klipsch RS-52's for the back wall.

When I listened to my system as a 7.1, I believe I could tell that the receiver was stuggling a bit. Didn't seem as dynamic as only using 5.1.

Additional info:
Room Dimensions: 13' wide x 19' deep x 10' high.
Receiver: Yamaha RX-V1800 (130 x 7)

With all that said, what would you suggest?
post #302 of 451
Hey Buddy! Lookin' good! Don't see the link above for your review?
post #303 of 451
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Thanks Tony. I copy/pasted from the Klipsch forum and the link did not transfer. Forgot to re-link it. I have edited my above post and here is the link also.
post #304 of 451
Quote:
Originally Posted by youthman View Post

I'm looking for some advice.

Originally, I had the Klipsch RF-83's, RC-64 and RB-35's with Velodyne HGS15. RB-35's are mounted on the back wall, very high up. Due to them being mounted so high, I never experienced much benefit from having them there since they are literally angled towards the front screen. All of the sound shoots over the back row and even the front row.

I recently purchased a pair of NIB Klipsch RS-35's and had a friend make me a custom mount for them since I had to mount one over a sliding glass door. I watched a few demo clips and immediately was thrilled to finally hear surrounds as they should be heard. Very enveloping, unlike what I was experiencing with my badly placed RB-35's.

About 3 days after I mounted the RS-35's, I came across a sweet deal on a pair of Klipsch RS-52's which should match my system better. I pulled the RS-35's down and mounted the RS-52's. I watched my first movie with my new surrounds (Michael Jackson's "This is It") and it was incredible. My review here.

So for now, the RS-35's are back in their original boxes, the RS-52's are mounted on the side walls and the RB-35's are still mounted high on the back wall.



Here is where I need some advice. I have a few options I am considering:

Option 1 - 7.1 System:
Sell the RB-35's and speaker mounts and mount the RS-35's on the back wall (lower and the same height as the RS-52's. This would bring them closer together than the RB-35's are since the door is in the way.

Option 2 - 5.1 System:
Sell the RB-35's, speaker mounts and the RS-35's and stick with a solid 5.1 system.

Here are my thoughts regarding the two options:

Option 1:
The RS-35's are light and would be easy to mount since they only require a drywall anchor and screw to mount them to the wall. I would need to fish the speaker wire through the wall and over and down a few feet from where they currently are. I would need to patch the holes from the RB-35's mounts. Could use the money from the sell towards three acoustic panels. With a 7.1, the Yamaha might not perform as well with two added speakers.

Options 2:
Could use the money from the sell of both sets of speakers and mount to purchase the Emotiva XPA-3, XPA-5 or a second pair of Klipsch RS-52's for the back wall.

When I listened to my system as a 7.1, I believe I could tell that the receiver was stuggling a bit. Didn't seem as dynamic as only using 5.1.

Additional info:
Room Dimensions: 13' wide x 19' deep x 10' high.
Receiver: Yamaha RX-V1800 (130 x 7)

With all that said, what would you suggest?

Do the rear mounts tilt down at all?
post #305 of 451
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Yes, the back surround mounts tilt 10 degrees I believe. They recommend using two or three tiny screws in the bottom of the speaker to secure it to the mount. 10 degrees angles the speakers at my front projection screen which is way over the heads of even the front row.
post #306 of 451
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I am hoping to pick up an Emotiva XPA-3 from a forum member in a week or so. He is upgrading his amp to Parasound and is willing to sell his XPA-3 to me.

I also received an offer to trade my RB-35's for a guy's Anthem MCA-2 (200 x 2) amp. Do you think this would be a good trade or should I pass. I've heard of Anthem but know nothing about them or their products.
post #307 of 451
I've been monitoring your thread waiting to see when an Emotiva was in grasp! Glad to hear its working out. I've lived with mine for about 6 months now, and still thoroughly pleased!
post #308 of 451
Thread Starter 
Thanks Tony. It's getting close. I read through a lot of your build but did not see whether you are using an amp with the Ultra 2's or not. I saw where at first you were underwhelmed but after cranking your receiver up, you were much more pleased. Someone in the Klipsch forums had the same issue and once they added an amp to the Ultra2's, they woke up big time.

To be honest, I'm setting my expectations of the XPA-3 very low. I guess I'm afraid that if I hype it up too much, I might be let down in it's improvement to my system. Guess there is only one way to find out. I'll be sure to post once I have it in hand.
post #309 of 451
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

I've lived with mine for about 6 months now, and still thoroughly pleased!

Ok...it's been a long day. I originally read your comment, then jumped to your thread and browsed through it's entirety, then came back to my thread to post a reply. I had forgotten what you had written until I just re-read them.

I'll check your thread tomorrow to see what comments you had on the XPA-3.
post #310 of 451
It's been awhile since we talked. I have an XPA5. In a nutshell, the Ultra2's are a whole new catagory of speaker with the amp compared to a receiver. I wonder if you'll find the same with your 83's? Hope so!
post #311 of 451
Thread Starter 
I hope so too. I would rather set the bar low and have my expectations exceeded than to set the bar high and be disappointed. I'll be sure to post my thoughts once I get it.
post #312 of 451
Sorry for the slow reply. Maybe you've already decided but if not, I'd still trying increasing the tilt. One way to do it is to place wood wedges on the wall and then mount the mounts to the wedges, that will affect give you a more angled starting point. Should be pretty easy to mock up and you can paint the after to match the wall or mounting.
post #313 of 451
Thread Starter 
Thanks happy. I could make a custom mount that would allow the RB-35's to be angled more, I would just have to drill into the speaker again to secure it. I just really hate doing that. I had a hard enough time putting two tiny screws into the bottom of them. I would need to increase the angle quite a bit since they are 8ft in the air and the front seats are probably 4ft in front of them. The back row would not benefit from them at all no matter what angle I placed them. That's why I'm considering going with another pair of RS-52's or RS-42's so they could be placed just above head level on the back wall and with them being wide dispersion (similar to dipole/bipole speakers), they would work better than a bookshelf.
post #314 of 451
I wasn't thinking of adding the wedge to the point where the speaker connects to the mount but to where the mount connects to the wall so you put the wedge on the wall. The other thing you could do, and it's worked for me with my surrounds being so high because of narrow side walls, is turn them upside down to bring the tweeter lower. If you did the wedge and the flip you might be suprised but the flip alone should be easy to test.
post #315 of 451
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I had someone suggest awhile back about turning the speakers upside down. Only problem with that is that I would need to put two screws in the top of the speaker and if I ever sold them, would make it an unpleasant cosmetic issue. Having two tiny holes on the bottom is unnoticable.
post #316 of 451
ahhhh, remember that now. What about the wedge on the wall?
post #317 of 451
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I'm selling my Klipsch RB-35's if anyone is interested in them. $325.00 + shipping. I'll take care of the Paypal fees. Here is a link to photos of them. PM if interested. If they don't sell by this weekend, they will be off to Ebay.
post #318 of 451
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Well, I sold my RB-35's to a guy in Arizona and my RS-35's to a guy local. I had an Emotiva XPA-3 lined up but the guy had to back out on the deal since he wasn't able to buy the amp he was upgrading to. Once again, I'm searching for a 200w/ch amp.
post #319 of 451
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I'll be picking up a Parasound Amp tomorrow and need to add some form of shelving system to my false wall/entertainment center. The center cabinet space is 30" W x 27" H x 25 1/4" D. For some reason, the guy that built the cabinets made a bottom shelf out of wood and spray painted it black but did not make one for the left and right cabinet. He was supposed to make some form of shelving that would slide out so I could easily get behind the equipment to change out wires, add new equipment etc but long story short, that didn't happen.

Here is where I need some advice. Should I get some 3/4" Plywood and cut shelves, paint them black, and put dowels in the sides of the cabinet with the metal pins? Or do you have another suggestion?

Currently, I do not have a lot of equipment. My sub is located in the bottom left cabinet. My Receiver, PS3 and Rabbit Ears (don't laugh), are located in the bottom center cabinet and I will be picking up a Parasound 2205a amp tomorrow that will likely sit beneath the receiver. The right cabinet contains misc remotes, DVD's & CD's.

I know I need to add a bottom shelf for the left and right side cabinet since my subwoofer and DVD's are actually sitting on carpet since the guy didn't install a bottom shelf for the left and right cabinet.



Bottom Left cabinet



Photo of the bottom center cabinet which is beneath the screen.



Currently, all my equipment is sitting on the bottom shelf.



A shot looking up into the false wall. It's hollow behind the screen.



You can see here the bottom "shelf".

post #320 of 451
Is the Parasound instead of the Emotiva? or an additional amp? Did you happen upon a good used deal?
post #321 of 451
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Strange enough, the guy I was going to buy the Emotiva XPA-3 (200w x 3) from was trying to buy a Parasound 2205A (220w x 5). He was waiting on his income tax refund but had problems for about a month and finally gave up on it. Since he was not able to get a new amp, I didn't want him to feel obligated to sell me his XPA-3. After some consideration, I decided to buy the amp he was going to buy since it would give me an additional 2 channels if I ever decided to go to a pre/pro. He was asking $450 for his XPA-3, I'm getting the Parasound for $750. Not sure if that is a great deal but seems less than what I can find it elsewhere. This joker is 85 lbs and Parasound is known for making excellent amps.
post #322 of 451
I'm sure you'll enjoy it! Looking forward to your impressions.
post #323 of 451
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For $750, I sure hope so. LOL. I ended up selling two pairs of speakers (Klipsch RB-35's and Klipsch RS-35's) for $725 so they are funding the new amp.
post #324 of 451
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Just got home with my new addition to the HT. I picked a Parasound HCA2205a (220w x 5) amp from a Klipsch forum member. Amp is in excellent condition. This thing is a beast at 85 lbs!

It's almost midnight so there won't be any test runs tonight. Have to wait till tomorrow.

post #325 of 451
Adding shelf.

So my rack was made by my carpenter and is wood. The shelves are supported by holes in the sides and metal pins into the holes. I've had numerous problems over time with this model. The wood shelves warp, the weight makes the pins bend in the hole and the shelves then drop. All not good.

If I look at your space it is VERY wide. Mine is just a bit wider than a piece of equipment. Yours seems to be about 1.5 times that. I think a single board that had any weight on it might bend a lot. I'd also stay away from the pins to hold such a large area.

My suggestion is to buy a simple standalone shelf/rack and place it inside the space. Something that is just a little wider than the equipment. I know a couple people have bought inexpensive but sturdy stuff that is easy to assemble at Home Depot. Guess it doesn't really matter how it looks given it will be behind a door. You could slide it to one side and leave room on the other side for your PS3 and content.
post #326 of 451
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You have a good point Happy.

I stopped by Lowes earlier today and picked up one three foot piece of 3/8" Aluminum Angle 1 1/2 x 1 1/2". Cost $12.00. Probably could find it much cheaper somewhere else but I want to get the shelf built tonight so I can hook up the new amp and test it out. I grabbed a bag of eight 12x3/4 Flat Philips Wood Screws. Not sure if I should have gone with the round head instead of flat since the flat is angled on the back side of the head. I'm hoping that if I drill the holes the same size as the screw diameter that it should be fine.

I found a piece of scrap 3/4 plywood that I'm going to use for my shelf.

I cut the two Aluminum Angles in 1/2 to give me two 18" lengths to work with. I will put 4 screws in each Angle securing it to the side walls of the cabinet.

With your comments about sagging, should I buy a few flat aluminum pieces and place them across the width under the wood shelf. Would that keep it from sagging over time? The only thing that will be on it is my receiver which is just under 40 pounds.

Once everything is cut and installed, I will need to paint the shelf flat black, let it dry, then install everything. Might not be until tomorrow before I am able to install it. Depends on how fast the paint dries.
post #327 of 451
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Holes are drilled in the Aluminum Angles, shelf has been cut and painted. Will need to wait until paint is dry before installing.
post #328 of 451
Quote:
Originally Posted by youthman View Post

With your comments about sagging, should I buy a few flat aluminum pieces and place them across the width under the wood shelf. Would that keep it from sagging over time? The only thing that will be on it is my receiver which is just under 40 pounds.

I would think attaching some aluminum angle to the bottom of the shelf would would reduce the sagging more than a flat piece (unless you mounted it on edge somehow).

A few years ago I built a long shelf that spanned over the top of a big screen (probably 4') and to keep it from sagging I attached a 1"x2" on edge to the front of the shelf. I had my center channel (about 40 lbs.) on it for a couple of years and never had any sagging problems. The shelf was just built out of a 1"x8".
post #329 of 451
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cpu, what I was originally referring to was mounting the two aluminum angles on the side walls of the cabinet. Then screw three flat aluminum pieces that stretched across from one Aluminum Angle to the other. Then place the plywood on top of that.

I'm going to try it without any bracing for now. If it begins to sag, I'll replace the wood and look at bracing then. I think it should hold up alright with 3/4" plywood and a 40 pound receiver.
post #330 of 451
Thread Starter 
I took more time on it than I originally expected but really like the end result.

The amp states that it needs 6 inches above it for proper ventilation so I mounted my shelf to allow for the 6". I predrilled the hole with a tiny bit to help get the screws started. Once the first screw was in place, I placed my level on it and then screwed the back screw in place.



I know this doesn't impress most of you but it does me. I'm totally not a handyman don't have a lot of tools. For me, this required some thought. I could measure it and drill but I figured that wouldn't work out so well. I decided to place the shelf on both shelves and raise/lower the uninstalled Aluminum Angle at the right height and mark the holes. Removed the shelf and screwed the second rail in place. I was actually very surprised that the shelf was perfectly level.



Amp is in place with speaker cables and RCA cables attached.





Shelf is in place. Again to my surprise, it was a snug fit. Usually I have to recut something.



Even though I was excited to get it hooked up, I spent a lot of time routing and organizing all of my cables using zip ties. I made sure to keep all power cables away from signal cables. Note: After everything was all hooked up, the hum in my sub was gone. I did not think of this when I originally installed everything.



PS3 is now in place as well as my rabbit ears and digital to analog converter (don't laugh, we only watch 1 - 2 shows a year). And the final product.



I'll post my thoughts on the amp probably tomorrow. []
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