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post #361 of 649
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Originally Posted by gsRt5 View Post

IS anyone getting the last black bar clipped from there signal when trying to calibrate the brightness from a DVE disk? I am, and wondering how? IDK if I should even post this here but its worth a try and someone might know a quick fix. I have all my eqiupment running through my PIONEER ELITE VSX-01.

Nothing is wrong with your equipment. It is functioning properly.

The BTB bar should not be visible in a properly calibrated system. As a consequence your receiver is simply sending the standard 16-235 shades of gray. The BTB bar used to be needed for old analog CRT systems where the black level floated around at bit. It is not needed anymore in the digital world and if you ever did see it, you would adjust the display until it disappeared anyway.

You may have a setting on your DVD player called "enhanced" black. That usually sends 0-255 as an output and you will then see your BTB bar. However, if you send a movie in that mode, then you are telling your projector that 0 is the new black, and 255 is the new white. Since all movies only output as 16-255, you will have effectively reset black to 0, and made 16 a shade of gray. Your movies will look washed out because what should have been black, will now be just another shade of gray. Black blacks will never happen because the movie will never send a 0 to cause them to show up. The same with white, bright white will never happen because 255 will never be sent by the movie.

Turn enhanced black off for movies, you can turn it on for PC material.
post #362 of 649
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Originally Posted by gsRt5 View Post

Exactly, In high mode it looks really cool almost fake on some scenes. At first I was blown away especially on the DARK Night Opening scenes. Then after awhile I started noticing little artifacts and blurriness. So I have it on MED right now and just finished watching Miracle at ST. Anna. Although I didnt noticed as much, I might set it on LOW. I love the smooth screen though, its a major WOW factor.

Is it your impression that HIGH significantly improves the smoothness and that it also increases blur or a loss of detail? Or does it just show more clearly the lost detail that happens when a camera pans too fast and blurs the image. Only now it is more obvious that detail has been lost because the object moves more smoothly. ie: the blur is really caused by the filming and not the smooth motion function.
post #363 of 649
As this only being my second pj I apologize if I can't explain correctly. But in high mode the smoothness adds an almost 3D effect and looks very cool. But I started noticing little things like blinking buildings and other objects that shouldn't be there. When I turn off the smooth motion the picture is normal but doesn't have the 3d effect.

So I would have to say the smooth motion is working to hard in high mode and just adding things that don't belong. In low mode it's almost perfect, I am just going to keep mine in med mode, I really like the smooth motion.
Plus this pj has 10 user settings, so you can adjust each for every differnt source. I turned smooth motion off for my 360.
post #364 of 649
Thanks for clearing that up, I will try that when I get home.
I am using a ps3 for my br player and was wondering about that superwhite setting.




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Originally Posted by orion456 View Post

Nothing is wrong with your equipment. It is functioning properly.

The BTB bar should not be visible in a properly calibrated system. As a consequence your receiver is simply sending the standard 16-235 shades of gray. The BTB bar used to be needed for old analog CRT systems where the black level floated around at bit. It is not needed anymore in the digital world and if you ever did see it, you would adjust the display until it disappeared anyway.

You may have a setting on your DVD player called "enhanced" black. That usually sends 0-255 as an output and you will then see your BTB bar. However, if you send a movie in that mode, then you are telling your projector that 0 is the new black, and 255 is the new white. Since all movies only output as 16-255, you will have effectively reset black to 0, and made 16 a shade of gray. Your movies will look washed out because what should have been black, will now be just another shade of gray. Black blacks will never happen because the movie will never send a 0 to cause them to show up. The same with white, bright white will never happen because 255 will never be sent by the movie.

Turn enhanced black off for movies, you can turn it on for PC material.
post #365 of 649
Does anyone know if the Universal Ceiling Mount that I currently have mounting my ridiculously out of favor Sanyo Z2 will still work for hanging a z3000 when I upgrade? Thanks.

I can't wait to see the difference with the upgrade.

FYI, I'm keeping my Denon AVR3805 and probably getting either the Pioneer FD09 or waiting on the Oppo83.

Thanks
post #366 of 649
"I currently have mounting my ridiculously out of favor Sanyo Z2 will still work for hanging a z3000 when I upgrade?"

Not sure about the mount but I went from a Z4 to Z3000 and all I can say is "WOW" completely new viewing experience especially if you have a 1080p source.

Enjoy the upgrade!
post #367 of 649
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Originally Posted by TReynolds View Post

"I currently have mounting my ridiculously out of favor Sanyo Z2 will still work for hanging a z3000 when I upgrade?"

Not sure about the mount but I went from a Z4 to Z3000 and all I can say is "WOW" completely new viewing experience especially if you have a 1080p source.

Enjoy the upgrade!

What do you think about the "smooth motion" effect? Do you find it makes much difference? What setting to you like best?
post #368 of 649
So, new $400US rebate out for this one now, that is a pretty good deal in the US, nothing announced for Canada yet.
post #369 of 649
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Originally Posted by Rob79 View Post

So, new $400US rebate out for this one now, that is a pretty good deal in the US, nothing announced for Canada yet.

WOW...that's pretty good. I hope they do something for Canadians as that would put it in a Very competitive price point (It would be about $400 less the the 6500 UB after rebate). Right now it is $200 CND or a free bulb.
post #370 of 649
for the price this projector seems pretty good but I dont see much here on the reviews???? what is the matter with this projector is it not good enough like the others???
post #371 of 649
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Originally Posted by psuchit View Post

for the price this projector seems pretty good but I dont see much here on the reviews???? what is the matter with this projector is it not good enough like the others???

I've been wondering the same thing...been trying to pick between about 4 different PJ's and can't seem to find a whole heck of a lot of info on the Sanyo (compared to the Epson 6500, Panny 3000, and Pioneer FPJ1).
post #372 of 649
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Originally Posted by khowe22 View Post

I've been wondering the same thing...been trying to pick between about 4 different PJ's and can't seem to find a whole heck of a lot of info on the Sanyo (compared to the Epson 6500, Panny 3000, and Pioneer FPJ1).

The knock against the Sanyo compared to the Epson/Panny seems to be:

1. slightly worse blacks/contrast vs Epson/Panny (only seen in a very dark room)

2. Panny has slightly better "smooth motion" 1:1 vs 1:3 new frames (but worst lag - takes time to make new frames)

3. Epson is brighter (256 vs 295 lamp) (bright = hot = noisy fan)

4. Sanyo repairs instead of replaces DOA projectors (annoying for sure)

5. Sanyo calibration is slightly harder, no cuts (can be calibrated near perfect using "advanced" settings)

6. NO auto lens focus for 2.35:1 (poor man's anamorphic effect, kind of)


Advantages:

1. Price (+$400 rebate, cash is always nice)

2. 3-year warranty vs 1-2 (Sanyo has a rep for finding reasons not to honor warranty work, most never use it)

3. Quiet fan (low fan = heat = potential problems)

4. 5:5 pulldown (only useful for HDTV movie films)

5. dust blob cleaning ability (a big plus if you get a blob, most don't)

6. largest lens shift horiz and vertical (versatile is great if you need it, probably most don't)

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Personally, I want the brightness/blacks/contrast of the Epson + smooth motion of the Panny + price/warranty of the Sanyo!
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post #373 of 649
Hi!

It seems no-one is using this mode? At least no-one is talking about it. Not here, not in any review. Why is that?

I just recieved my Z3000, and picture looks fantastic with that mode. I tried calibrating my Z3000 according to projectorreviews advices, but I prefer how picture looks like in x.v.color-mode. It's just mode.. lively. Compared to this other modes look like you were watching the picture through thin fog screen.

I have Denon AVR-1909 that feeds Z3000. Denon is operating in YCbCr color space. I feed Denon with PC (Radeon set to output YCbCr 4:4:4) and PS3 (YCbCr + superwhite with movies, limited RGB with games).
post #374 of 649
I have had the Z3000 for over a month now, and am very happy with it. The projector is mounted directly over my sitting position and the fan noise is inaudible.
The PQ is great, the images are very sharp, though color needs adjusting out of the box. The PJ has about 100 hours on it and I plan on having it ISF calibrated soon.
The dust cleaning function is a real plus. I had a dust blob in it after about 10 hours. I was easily able to blow it out without having to unmount the projector.

I highly recommend the Sanyo PLV-Z3000
post #375 of 649
I'm scheduled to get my Z3000 in a day or two. I'm upgrading from a PLV-Z5, especting better colors, CR, resolution and less noise. Do you think I'm being too optimistic?

I'm mainly switching because the Z5 doesn't hold up to our nice 1080p LCD screen we have in our living room, especially when trying to playback blurays and 1080 home videos. It's nice to have the theater experience, but 720p just doesn't seem to cut it in terms of image crispiness when it comes to playback 1080p content. So we end up using the 1080p LCD panel over the PJ room more than I'd like to. Even my 4 year old appreciates the difference...

Anyways, to any that switched from a 720p unit to the Z3000: how much did you appreciate the resolution upgrade? Do you think my non-tech wife be able to see a difference too?

Also, do you have any tips or suggestions for setting it up?

Thanks in advance.
post #376 of 649
I went from Z4 to Z3000. Huge difference in resolution when using a 1080p source. Sat is still not as good as 1080p for sure. When we watch movies we keep saying that this is not real, some movies alsmost look like you are there watching them film it. I would give it a couple of days to break in before messing with the settings, it's really good out of the box compared to Z4.

Just enjoy it.
post #377 of 649
Can anyone comment on the "Iris mode", "Iris range" and "Dynamic gamma" settings under the "Image adj.->Advanced" menu? Specifically, does the iris work more transparently in "Mode 1" or "Mode 2"? Also, what does "Iris range" do relative to the "Mode 1" and "Mode 2" settings? Can you hear the iris if it is not in the fixed position? Is the sound objectionable? How does "Dynamic gamma" interact with the iris? Any negatives?
post #378 of 649
Does the Z3000 have IR discrete power?
post #379 of 649
And the rebate can come back pretty quick. Mine took less than 3 weeks.
post #380 of 649
ericjut: So how does it compare with your Z5?
post #381 of 649
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Originally Posted by danr1707 View Post

Does the Z3000 have IR discrete power?

anybody?
post #382 of 649
Yes.
post #383 of 649
I just upgraded from a Panny ae-700u and it is astonishing the difference (when it is working).
My set up is a HTPC direct DVI to the sanyo (about 30 hours so far)
HTPC: Vista based, Nvidea 9000 gt card, Quad 2.6, Bluray player, 4 gig ram, mutiple hard drives about 3 TB total.
Video:
1. Sanyo plv-3000
2. NEC LCD 15in touch screen.
I use the touch screen mostly for the ability to run my music without turning on the projector (which has a pretty slow start time about 30 sec) it is mounted on the wall outside te theater room is sight of my bar.
I downloaded the most current Nvedia drivers
Vista calls both monitors "generic".

Problems:
1. Some times, spontaniously, window or the Nvidea card see the projector as a Sharp model XXX (i cant remember). The sharp proector [that they think it is] is only capable of 1080i or 720p!
I can't change it (with "my display is not shown" it looks and finds nothing) and it wil not show anything if I force resolutions when it acks like this. I turn the HTPC off and on and the Sanyo is recognized (all but one time).
2. It is currently stuck in the wrong mode; The Nvedea card calls my NEC 1 and the Sanyo 2. I select sanyo as primary but cant change it back to Sanyo 1 and Nec 2. So now some times a window opens "randomly" in the NEC and I get up and have to drag teh window onto the Sanyo "2 display" desktop. In the display settings "this is my man monitor" is greyed out (I can't check the box)
3. I hate the "dual view" it is practically useless for my application,but I cant run clone because the NEC can only dislpay max 720p. Anyone know how to either control what opens where (on primary or secondary) or see the same image on both screens with differnet resolutions?

Sorry for the mutiple questions any help would be Helpful
post #384 of 649
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Originally Posted by DocSpringfield View Post

Nvidea 9000 gt card
the most current Nvedia drivers
Some times, spontaniously, window or the Nvidea card
The Nvedea card calls my NEC 1 and the Sanyo 2

Can you think of any more ways to misspell nVidia?
post #385 of 649
That is terrible LOL
post #386 of 649
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Originally Posted by DocSpringfield View Post

I just upgraded from a Panny ae-700u and it is astonishing the difference (when it is working).
My set up is a HTPC direct DVI to the sanyo (about 30 hours so far)
HTPC: Vista based, Nvidea 9000 gt card, Quad 2.6, Bluray player, 4 gig ram, mutiple hard drives about 3 TB total.
Video:
1. Sanyo plv-3000
2. NEC LCD 15in touch screen.
I use the touch screen mostly for the ability to run my music without turning on the projector (which has a pretty slow start time about 30 sec) it is mounted on the wall outside te theater room is sight of my bar.
I downloaded the most current Nvedia drivers
Vista calls both monitors "generic".

Problems:
1. Some times, spontaniously, window or the Nvidea card see the projector as a Sharp model XXX (i cant remember). The sharp proector [that they think it is] is only capable of 1080i or 720p!
I can't change it (with "my display is not shown" it looks and finds nothing) and it wil not show anything if I force resolutions when it acks like this. I turn the HTPC off and on and the Sanyo is recognized (all but one time).
2. It is currently stuck in the wrong mode; The Nvedea card calls my NEC 1 and the Sanyo 2. I select sanyo as primary but cant change it back to Sanyo 1 and Nec 2. So now some times a window opens "randomly" in the NEC and I get up and have to drag teh window onto the Sanyo "2 display" desktop. In the display settings "this is my man monitor" is greyed out (I can't check the box)
3. I hate the "dual view" it is practically useless for my application,but I cant run clone because the NEC can only dislpay max 720p. Anyone know how to either control what opens where (on primary or secondary) or see the same image on both screens with differnet resolutions?

Sorry for the mutiple questions any help would be Helpful

Doc,
I am planning a similar setup (PJ+smaller touch screen) with 7MC on an HTPC running Win7. Would be interested in any ideas you come up with.

JN
post #387 of 649
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Originally Posted by jnoam View Post

Doc,
I am planning a similar setup (PJ+smaller touch screen) with 7MC on an HTPC running Win7. Would be interested in any ideas you come up with.

JN

What res is the 7in touch screen capable of producing?
post #388 of 649
post #389 of 649
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Originally Posted by IndianaGeorge View Post

ericjut: So how does it compare with your Z5?

x2. I also have a Z5 that I think I might upgrade to the Z3000. Also any news on the replacement for the Z3000? Might wait if it's not too far off.
post #390 of 649
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Originally Posted by ResOGlas View Post

Sorry, been really tied up.

Convergence is pretty good on my unit, no dead pixels as well. It's also really quiet, which is nice.

The smooth motion looks good on low for film based content, and the medium/high settings give off the soap opera effect.
Only cons are my VGA port is buggy, brightness jumps all over the place when using my Xbox 360 via VGA at 1920x1080. I hope it's just my unit that has this problem, otherwise Sanyo needs to release new firmware update to correct it ASAP.
On the gaming front:
Sadly, it seems my new Marantz receiver is laggy, so I'm going to have to replace that.


I was running the input lag stopwatch and getting ready to take some pics, and all of a sudden my PC died.
You can game on the Z3000, but the new Pixelworks DNX PW9800-30G is not as fast as last generation's PW390.

I'm trying to figure out accurate input lag results, so I can compare to the 6500UB and AE3000U results before deciding if I want to keep the unit. I'm only interested in 120Hz units, so I'll have to settle for the "best of the worst".

I've recently purchased the PLV-Z3000 and hooked it up tonight and connected my Xbox 360 via VGA @ 1920x1080P and receive the same brightness all over the place issue.

Bumping the VGA resolution down to any of the other values results in perfect brightness.

I came across this AVS thread when looking for a fix, which does fix this same issue on a different projector.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=817192

Has anyone come across a fix for the Z3000?
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