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I just got back from my favorite AMC theater. Body of Lies is a tense, seemingly authentic, and exciting adventure. The action never lets up and lots of things get blown up, but to a purpose.

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Leonardo DiCaprio stars as an American CIA agent of Arab ancestry who is covertly tracking an Al Quaeda bigwig in Jordan. Russell Crowe stars as his "handler", safely pursuing the life of a work-at-home Soccer Dad and making ill-timed and inappropriate decisions that place the frontline agent in peril.

The plot is believable. The gunplay is believable. Lots of stuff gets blown up, but to a purpose that serves the plot.

"Moral Equivalency" never enters into it. The Americans, Europeans, Jordanians, and Palestinians depicted in the film all detest the Al Quaeda character who is undeniably and convincingly depicted as an evil villian. At one point the villian slams a hammer down and smashes DiCaprios fingers, saying "Welcome to Guantanamo". Some interpret this - incorrectly IMHO, as drawing a moral equivalence between the two sides of the War on Terror. I don't care about the Guantanamo line, in fact I immediately discounted it as something the bad guy would say to establish his bonafides as a bad guy. There is a sprinkling of anti-religious comments - aimed pretty even-handedly at Islamics, Christians, and Jews. If such comments offend you, then simply skip this film - that's plain enough, right?

I have never been a fan of DiCaprio - but he is no longer the creepily effeminate blond kid he once was, when my teenage daughter was seeing all his films. He has matured into a good actor although I must say even with a dye job on the hair, he is too light-complectioned to play an Arab. He SHOULD have been sprayed with a couple of coats of "Man Tan" makeup as was Charlton Heston when he played the role of Miguel Vargas in Touch of Evil. But perhaps changing skin color is no longer PC in this post-Michael-Jackson world.

Likewise I had a problem accepting Russell Crowe in the role of an American CIA bureaucrat. I mean, he nailed the MidWestern accent and turned in his usual excellant performance - but to me he is typecast in Australian parts, or perhaps British roles as in Master and Commander.


Beautifully photographed in 2.35:1, the surround sound is dynamic and exciting. I guess you could say the casting was really the only issue I had with the film - I just feel they went with name stars who were pretty much guaranteed to pull the box office numbers, versus actors who would have been just as good in those roles and would have been more convincingly cast as these characters.

Sir Ridley Scott still has it at age 70 - this is a tightly scripted and effective action/thriller. I count it among Scott's top half-dozen films (Blade Runner, Alien, Black Hawk Down, Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, Body of Lies). Photography and sound were just about perfect - the man can make good movies. Let me venture a guess that Scott may have sold this film as an anti-war-on-terror film to some studio or distributor. But to my mind, that is no more true than it was in Black Hawk Down - which I still rate higher than this film - but the message is, this one is worth the time. Likewise you may hear some offhand comments from Scott as part of the film's publicity - he's known for such, but he's just firing for effect, stirring up interest in his work and maximizing his ROI.

Reccomended for action junkies. Overall an A-, only because I had trouble accepting DiCaprio as an Arab and Crowe as an American. They both gave excellant performances but the casting could have been better.
post #2 of 20
We saw this one opening weekend and really enjoyed it. Great acting and direction, highly recommended.
post #3 of 20
Never have cared for DiCaprio either, but acknowledge he can act. I agree that casting him as a Arab might take me out of the moment. I'll rent. Just previewing the trailers on TV give my sub a workout...typical Ridley...who knew the middle ages (KOH) had so much LFE .
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Never have cared for DiCaprio either, but acknowledge he can act.

How about The Aviator or Blood Diamond?

He was terrific in both, as well as GoNY.
post #5 of 20
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How about The Aviator or Blood Diamond?

He was terrific in both, as well as GoNY.

IDK, just something about the guy turns me off. I see him, not the character...takes me out of the story. Alot of other actors are the same, but if I like them, it doesn't bother me.

Don't get me started on Nick Cage... I detest watching that guy, but my wife loves him.

GoNY was probably his best work though he was totally overshadowed. Blood Diamond was ok, but anyone could have played the role. I thought they could have found someone who looked more like HH for the Aviator...
post #6 of 20
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Reccomended for action junkies. Overall an A-, only because I had trouble accepting DiCaprio as an Arab and Crowe as an American. They both gave excellant performances but the casting could have been better.

I didn't read the book so maybe it was in there, but nothing in the film gave me an indication he was of Arab ancestry or was trying to convey to anyone he was of Arabian decent. Even his girlfriend made fun of his butchering of the Arab language. I thought he was excellent, but I'm a biased Leo fan since WEGG. I do agree that the Crowe role could have gone to lots of other actors, but he was still solid. Mark Strong was also excellent. For a minute I thought I was looking at a much thinner Andy Garcia.

This was an outstanding movie. Action packed that kept you engrossed the entire time. I watched via my free E* movie pass in HD and it looked great. I wasn't impressed with the SQ, but after watching Wanted the night before and being blown away with that SQ, that may not be a fair assessment. Highly recommend this.
post #7 of 20
Nope. I thought BOL's sound quality was not reference. Aliens-where is that wonderful signature of yours?
post #8 of 20
I see dicaprio as an way overated actor, who is one dimensional even worst than tom cruise. But at least cruise has range and is able to get into character.

Dicaprio seem to just portray a kid-like image that is difficult to play mature roles like body of lies where he is way out of character.

Cmon people don't tell me you didn't laugh at his attempt trying to look aged with that glued on beard n mustache. and his 90210 teen-ager sounding voice does not help either. trying to be tough cocky and always going over the top and talking with the veins popping out your neck is not acting. and this movie kinda sucked too wasn't really that good, and crowe was out of this element and terribly miscasted some deep secret spy cia consultant.
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Aliens-where is that wonderful signature of yours?

Hiatus. Not wanting to upset the apple cart for too long, it was on a very limited run.

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Cmon people don't tell me you didn't laugh at his attempt trying to look aged with that glued on beard n mustache.

Actors can be vain, but they don’t walk around in public with fake beards. He often wears that same look but it’s kept very short.

post #10 of 20
I watched this in BD over the weekend. I enjoyed it. I like most RS movies. Russell Crowe is an interesting fella. No matter what he looks like, he just eats the scenery. Subtle characterization matched with an amorphus bodytype let's him take on any sort of role. That said, DiCaprio didn't keep up. His one note, hardass, smartmouth, seemingly always angry delivery just didn't ring true for me...none of the layered subtlety of the other main characters. Mark Strong gave another impressive performance. Last thing I saw him in was Rockanrolla playing a mob boss's 2nd, Archie. He's a wonderful actor and hit this one out of the park...though why they hired an Anglo to play a Jordanian ...maybe to offset LdC's American/Arab. Though Strong pulled it off and Leo didn't.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by Gary McCoy View Post

I just got back from my favorite AMC theater. Body of Lies is a tense, seemingly authentic, and exciting adventure. The action never lets up and lots of things get blown up, but to a purpose.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Leonardo DiCaprio stars as an American CIA agent of Arab ancestry who is covertly tracking an Al Quaeda bigwig in Jordan. Russell Crowe stars as his "handler", safely pursuing the life of a work-at-home Soccer Dad and making ill-timed and inappropriate decisions that place the frontline agent in peril.

The plot is believable. The gunplay is believable. Lots of stuff gets blown up, but to a purpose that serves the plot.

"Moral Equivalency" never enters into it. The Americans, Europeans, Jordanians, and Palestinians depicted in the film all detest the Al Quaeda character who is undeniably and convincingly depicted as an evil villian. At one point the villian slams a hammer down and smashes DiCaprios fingers, saying "Welcome to Guantanamo". Some interpret this - incorrectly IMHO, as drawing a moral equivalence between the two sides of the War on Terror. I don't care about the Guantanamo line, in fact I immediately discounted it as something the bad guy would say to establish his bonafides as a bad guy. There is a sprinkling of anti-religious comments - aimed pretty even-handedly at Islamics, Christians, and Jews. If such comments offend you, then simply skip this film - that's plain enough, right?

I have never been a fan of DiCaprio - but he is no longer the creepily effeminate blond kid he once was, when my teenage daughter was seeing all his films. He has matured into a good actor although I must say even with a dye job on the hair, he is too light-complectioned to play an Arab. He SHOULD have been sprayed with a couple of coats of "Man Tan" makeup as was Charlton Heston when he played the role of Miguel Vargas in Touch of Evil. But perhaps changing skin color is no longer PC in this post-Michael-Jackson world.

Likewise I had a problem accepting Russell Crowe in the role of an American CIA bureaucrat. I mean, he nailed the MidWestern accent and turned in his usual excellant performance - but to me he is typecast in Australian parts, or perhaps British roles as in Master and Commander.


Beautifully photographed in 2.35:1, the surround sound is dynamic and exciting. I guess you could say the casting was really the only issue I had with the film - I just feel they went with name stars who were pretty much guaranteed to pull the box office numbers, versus actors who would have been just as good in those roles and would have been more convincingly cast as these characters.

Sir Ridley Scott still has it at age 70 - this is a tightly scripted and effective action/thriller. I count it among Scott's top half-dozen films (Blade Runner, Alien, Black Hawk Down, Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, Body of Lies). Photography and sound were just about perfect - the man can make good movies. Let me venture a guess that Scott may have sold this film as an anti-war-on-terror film to some studio or distributor. But to my mind, that is no more true than it was in Black Hawk Down - which I still rate higher than this film - but the message is, this one is worth the time. Likewise you may hear some offhand comments from Scott as part of the film's publicity - he's known for such, but he's just firing for effect, stirring up interest in his work and maximizing his ROI.

Reccomended for action junkies. Overall an A-, only because I had trouble accepting DiCaprio as an Arab and Crowe as an American. They both gave excellant performances but the casting could have been better.

have to concur - this is a smart movie, not your average action flick, but a movie with real character development from all sides.

I agree with your assessment of Decaprio's effininate era as well - its good to see that he can actually act!! and look like a guy.

Can you clarify that he was suppose to be playing an Arab? My impression was that he was an American Anglo that spoke Arabic and had in interest in Arabic culture. I did not in the least think he was suppose to be an Arab/Arab American or American of Arab ancestry.

Thought the Jordanian Chief of Secret Police (Honi) did the best acting job in the whole movie. Never seen him before, but I hope he finds more work whoever he is.
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I didn't read the book so maybe it was in there, but nothing in the film gave me an indication he was of Arab ancestry or was trying to convey to anyone he was of Arabian decent. Even his girlfriend made fun of his butchering of the Arab language. I thought he was excellent, but I'm a biased Leo fan since WEGG. I do agree that the Crowe role could have gone to lots of other actors, but he was still solid. Mark Strong was also excellent. For a minute I thought I was looking at a much thinner Andy Garcia.

This was an outstanding movie. Action packed that kept you engrossed the entire time. I watched via my free E* movie pass in HD and it looked great. I wasn't impressed with the SQ, but after watching Wanted the night before and being blown away with that SQ, that may not be a fair assessment. Highly recommend this.


I like movies that bother to show the Arabs as complex character. That make this movie orders of magnitude better than alot of other terrorist movies. PLUS it is not Politically Correct nor Right Wing - there was no moralizing in the whole movie. THAT I consider a true blessing!

Hell they even made that one lower level Al Quada guy who talked to his mom just a schmo stuck between a rock and a hard place. no PC stuff anywhere.

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The total opposite of that POS movie "Traitor" - what crap that was!

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I'd like to know if Decaprio was suppose to be an Arab - I never got that impression. Anyone know about this matter?
post #13 of 20
Leo was NOT supposed to be Arab; he talked with a slight Southern accent (like Crowe).

Man, there are alot of LDC haters around here....
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Man, there are alot of LDC haters around here....

Not a hater, but I did feel he played the same guy as in The Departed with a Duke accent vs a Southie .
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Not a hater, but I did feel he played the same guy as in The Departed with a Duke accent vs a Southie .

OK, I admit you have a point...
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Not a hater, but I did feel he played the same guy as in The Departed with a Duke accent vs a Southie .

Agree - an autopilot performance to a certain extent.
Enjoy most of Ridley's films, but this and Berg's Kingdom run together for me. Great filmmaking, lite content.
post #17 of 20
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Dicaprio seem to just portray a kid-like image that is difficult to play mature roles like body of lies where he is way out of character.

Cmon people don't tell me you didn't laugh at his attempt trying to look aged with that glued on beard n mustache. and his 90210 teen-ager sounding voice does not help either. trying to be tough cocky and always going over the top and talking with the veins popping out your neck is not acting. and this movie kinda sucked too wasn't really that good, and crowe was out of this element and terribly miscasted some deep secret spy cia consultant.

Man, you took the words right out of my mouth! Except for the part about this movie kinda sucked. Overall it was entertaining in my view.

Just like Tom Cruise, Leo may fit better when playing a character at least 10 years younger than his actual age.

I'm guessing that R. Crow had to pig out for a while to get to the shape he was in for this movie. He could've been in some actions but wasn't which was a waste of potential I think. Or they could've picked someone else.
post #18 of 20
Crowe likes to eat and drink. If you've ever seen him between flicks with his band, he always looks porked out. I doubt he had to get into shape for this role, but for the last couple you could tell that he was dieting during filming. Some scenes he would be leaner depending on when it was shot in the schedule.
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Crowe likes to eat and drink. If you've ever seen him between flicks with his band, he always looks porked out. I doubt he had to get into shape for this role, but for the last couple you could tell that he was dieting during filming. Some scenes he would be leaner depending on when it was shot in the schedule.

I have noticed that in several films.
When will the day come when he shows up to work a la late Brando?
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I have noticed that in several films.
When will the day come when he shows up to work a la late Brando?

One funny part in this movie. "Check Ben & Jerry's"
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