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post #451 of 527
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New AVR (Insignia 5010HD from BB) and TCA WAF-1 mini-monitors



Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

New thread with question started here:
Link

LCD TV and Speaker Wall Mount

I'm looking for an articulated LCD TV (42") and mini-monitor speaker mount.
Does such an entity exist?
That is, a mount that moves the TV and speakers together (as opposed to separate speaker wall mounts).

Other permutations could include a 3.0 speaker setup or a speaker bar mount for the TV.
This is for my gym.
See pics in post #2

Gear:
(Full list here (that's this thread) - AVS link)

- TV: Toshiba 42XV545U SRT 1080p LCD
- Cable: SA8300HD (may switch out for a Samsung SMT-H3090 box in family rm)
- DVR storage: Western Digitial (WD) 500GB MyDVR Expander via eSATA
- DVD: Oppo DV-980
- BR: Samsung BD-P1500
- Power: Surge-X Flat Pak 82, APC AV H15
- Headphones: Sennheiser RS130 wireless headphones (x2)

Speaker options:
- Tweak City Audio (TCA) WAF-1 mini-monitors (already own) - link
- Mordaunt-Short Carnival 2
- KRK RokitG2 Series - Rokit 5
- Usher S-520
- "Other"
- Speaker bar

Thanks for any input.

Mike

Gym pic:


LL
post #452 of 527
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New Oppo BDP-93.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1278530
http://www.tweakcityaudio.com/forum/...ead.php?t=3359

Looks interesting...

Mike

EDIT:
11-10-10
Looks even more interesting...
post #453 of 527
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FYI in case people are interested...

Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) Launches Tech Enthusiast (TE) Membership
http://www.ce.org/

Quote:


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From confirmation email:
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As a TE, you are privy to some very exclusive information.

Mike
post #454 of 527
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I'm intrigued by the potential Denon 5308CI(A) hardware upgrades:
Link

It would be difficult to retro-fit for front height and front width if there was an Audyssey DSX upgrade.

However, an Audyssey SubEQ upgrade might tempt me to do 2 subwoofers.

I'm watching the latest "AVS Home Theater Revealed" DVD.
Art Sonneborn's system is amazing.
I've seen pics on AVS and heard selected stories, but great to hear from the man himself on the build history.

Mike
post #455 of 527
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Building on the post above...

From Denon 5308CI thread...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post19524077

Interesting.

At what price is it worth sending in your 5308CI(A) for updates vs. selling on e-bay (or other) and buying a 4311CI (or newer) and external amp(s) for less cost (than a new 5308CI) with all the bells and whistles and external amps?

I'm not sure, but I wouldn't pay $1000 to pay for upgrades.

Mike

*EDIT*

Per Denon, MSRPs:

5308CI - $5500
4311CI - $1999
------
~$3.5K for amps

A current Audiogon 5308CI (8/10 rating - not sold, but at least to get a range) - is on sale for $3250.
Let's assume you can sell a 5308CI for $3K.
That still gives you a 4311CI at MSRP (and obviously you can get for less) and $1K to spend on external amps and/or subs/surrounds/H/W speakers, etc.
{What am I talking myself into...}

...and I can't recollect on the pre/pro end what you are missing in the 4311CI that you get in the 5308CI
(and recall, I am a 5308CI owner !)

External amps:
7 ch - Emotiva UPA-7 - 125W/ch x7 - $599
5 ch - Emotiva XPA-5 - 200W/ch x5 - $709+
7 ch - Emotiva XPR-7/PMA-7350 - 350W/ch x7 - ~$3000


For some people rack space will be against external amps, but let's face it, the 5308CI is not tiny by itself.

I would likely just use XPA-3 for L/C/R and 4311CI for all remaining channels.

*EDIT* 12-9-10
A quote from Denon 5308CI thread:
Quote:
I inquired from Denon CS as to XT32 upgrade and this is the response:

"Here is the answer I received on your question for the AVR-5308CI. Most likely, public announcement to be made at CES or shortly thereafter."

Question: are Denon upgrades offered to any and all owners, or need one have purchased from an authorized dealer and be the original owner?
12-20-10 Note from Denon 4311CI thread (merk54) post
(bold added)
Quote:
I just got off the phone with the gentleman from Denon who has been working with me on the blue rain issue affecting my A100. Lots of interesting information to share with everyone.

First off, regarding the Audio Loss problem, he confirmed that it is being addressed with the firmware release on 12/22, so those of you with the Audio Loss problem can look forward to a fix later this week.

They have also identified a manufacturing defect that is causing the blue rain problem.
This defect is limited to a certain production run of HDMI/video boards and they hope to have a list of the affected serial numbers identified by next week at the latest.
It is a defect that will require the unit being serviced. He didn't have an exact date on when the replacement boards would be available in the states, but estimated in the next week or two.
He is going to contact me once the boards are available, and I will pass this information along once I receive it.

To me, this is all very positive news.
It's unfortunate that it will require a trip to the service center to resolve the blue rain issue, but it's very encouraging that they were able to identify the cause and a resolution is at hand.
*EDIT* 2-4-11
Link... http://usa.denon.com/US/Downloads/Pa...t-Updates.aspx

RECENT UPDATES/UPGRADES

[AVR-5308CI(A)] (02/07/2011)
Denon AVR-5308CI UPGRADE

It’s Official! Denon will be offering an upgrade to our flagship A/V Surround components, the AVR-5308CI.
The upgrade program will begin in October and will include the following feature enhancements to these already incredible products, ensuring them of being the entertainment centerpiece to their owners’ home.

What is included in this upgrade

* Audyssey MultEQ XT32 (including Audyssey Pro)
* Audyssey DSX Surround Processing
* Dolby PLIIz Surround Processing
* 3D Video Pass-through via HDMI


How do you get this upgrade?

The upgrade will be done via both hardware and firmware, and will be done at our many Denon Factory Service Centers around the country. Click Here to go to our Updates & Upgrades Page.

How much does this upgrade cost?

Pricing for the upgrade will be $1099 and will also include the return shipping and new box and packing if needed for shipping to or from from the Service Center.

When will the upgrade be available? More information on the upgrade process will be released in September, however we invite you to sign up for email updates on this amazing Feature Upgrade from Denon!
post #456 of 527
Mike,

Are you still looking for the articulating mount?

I'll try and find one I saw that looked pretty nice in a build....

I think it was either Arrow or Diamond brand....

Greg
post #457 of 527
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post
Mike,

Are you still looking for the articulating mount?

I'll try and find one I saw that looked pretty nice in a build....

I think it was either Arrow or Diamond brand....

Greg
Potentially.
Things are working out pretty well as they are now, but keeping my eye open.
Thanks for ideas.

Mike

PS - Nice build thread you've got going. I look forward to seeing it getting closer to completion.
post #458 of 527
Thread Starter 
In case people are interested, I started a digital analog converter (DAC) FAQ here:
link


Mike

*EDIT*
Blocked link...

How about...

http://www.X.com/showtopic.php?tid/145110/

Where X = home_theater_spot (except without underlines!)
post #459 of 527
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Lumagen RadianceMini 3D announced
Link

Quote:


RadianceMini 3D joins the award winning Lumagen® Radiance™ video processor family.

January 6, 2011 — Lumagen®, Inc., a specialist in the design and manufacture of video products for the home and corporate markets, is announcing the RadianceMini 3D.
The RadianceMini 3D joins other members of the Radiance family, which includes the CEA® 2010 Platinum Video Product of the Year, the RadianceXE.

The RadianceMini 3D sports two HDMI® inputs, and one HDMI output, and can be controlled by either the included IR remote, or by RS-232. Control and setup are the same as other units in the Radiance family.
In addition, it provides the same exceptional video quality that the Radiance line has become known for.
The unit’s case measures in at a diminutive 8.5” by 5” by 1.05” (216mm by 127mm by 27mm) and has mounting tabs so it can be fastened to a shelf, or to the wall behind a flat-panel display.

HDMI 1.4 3D is supported, including scaling and aspect ratio control for 3D Bluray movies for use with an anamorphic lens, such as those produced by Panamorph®.
For dual-projector 3D, two units can be used with each receiving 3D and outputting video for either the left-eye or right-eye.

Jim Peterson, Lumagen’s president, stated, “Our customers have been asking us for a new Radiance product optimized for small systems.
The RadianceMini 3D fulfills this request, as well as the need for premier video processing when another product, such as an AVR, or HDMI matrix-switch, is being used for source selection.”

As with the other members of the Radiance line, proprietary No-ring™ scaling, linear-Gamma RGB-color-palette CMS, 21-point parametric grayscale calibration, video deinterlacing, MPEG artifact reduction, temporal noise reduction, and other features, combine to provide the best video quality available.

The RadianceMini 3D is currently available, and is priced at $1995 MSRP.

For more information contact Lumagen at:
503-574-2211 Voice • 503-296-2384 Fax • www.lumagen.comsales@lumagen.com
# # #
Lumagen is a registered trademark of Lumagen, Incorporated. VisionDVI, VisionHDP, VisionHDQ, VisionPro HDP, Radiance, RadianceXD, RadianceXE, and RadianceXS, RadianceMini, are trademarks of Lumagen Incorporated. Other trademarks are the property of their respective owners.
__________________
Jim Peterson
Lumagen

Here's a picture:
http://www.curtpalme.com/images/RadianceMini3D_800.jpg

This sort of makes me wonder if I could/should/would () do the following:

Sell:
Denon 5308CI(A) (for reasons see posts above...)
Lumagen RadianceXE

Buy:
Denon 4311CI (+ Audyssey Pro license for new AVR -- I already own Pro kit)
JVC RS50 (or RS60) +/- RadianceMini 3D (even need it with RS50 CMS?) or wait for next gen of JVC ???


That's not even getting into subwoofer exchanges with the 4311CI subEQ capability for 2 sub calibration.

Mike

*EDIT* POWER BUY
AVS Powerbuy: For immediate shipment the "NEW" Lumagen "RadianceMini 3D" call now!
Quote:


AVS is proud to announce the availability for immediate shipment of a new product in the acclaimed range of Radiance processors from Lumagen, the RadianceMini 3D, and special power buy pricing.

The RadianceMini 3D has a MSRP of $1995.
AVS is conducting a power buy on the RadianceMini 3D for units ordered by January 31, 2011. This power buy closes January 31.
The very special power buy price is $1395 plus $30 freight to any location in the continental United States.
Please contact a member of the AV Science sales team to place your order or if you have any questions.
Entry in the large family of happy Lumagen users is only a phone call away.


Jason Turk 585-671-2968
Daniel Hutnicki 585-671-2937
Bobbijean Coakley 585-671-2920
Mark Haflich 585-671-2972

*EDIT #2*
No Lumagen Radiance XE's on Audiogon.
Anyone know the bluebook?
post #460 of 527
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post


This sort of makes me wonder if I could/should/would () do the following:

Sell:
Denon 5308CI(A) (for reasons see posts above...)
Lumagen RadianceXE

Buy:
Denon 4311CI (+ Audyssey Pro license for new AVR -- I already own Pro kit)
JVC RS50 (or RS60) +/- RadianceMini 3D (even need it with RS50 CMS?) or wait for next gen of JVC ???


That's not even getting into subwoofer exchanges with the 4311CI subEQ capability for 2 sub calibration.

Mike


Mike,

I say yes get it, get a review out!

I haven't read anything telling on the 2 sub calibration yet...it seems CHT and eD people think it is just more "computers" messing with sub calibration.

I think it is interesting...and the reason I haven't chosen my AVR yet as well.
post #461 of 527
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post

Mike,

I say yes get it, get a review out!

I haven't read anything telling on the 2 sub calibration yet...it seems CHT and eD people think it is just more "computers" messing with sub calibration.

I think it is interesting...and the reason I haven't chosen my AVR yet as well.

RE: "it" -- which one?

I think most people (in the Audyssey thread -- biased I realize) find it useful if they play with it long enough.

Mike
post #462 of 527
Thread Starter 
*EDIT* POWER BUY
AVS Powerbuy: For immediate shipment the "NEW" Lumagen "RadianceMini 3D" call now!
Quote:


AVS is proud to announce the availability for immediate shipment of a new product in the acclaimed range of Radiance processors from Lumagen, the RadianceMini 3D, and special power buy pricing.

The RadianceMini 3D has a MSRP of $1995.
AVS is conducting a power buy on the RadianceMini 3D for units ordered by January 31, 2011. This power buy closes January 31.
The very special power buy price is $1395 plus $30 freight to any location in the continental United States.
Please contact a member of the AV Science sales team to place your order or if you have any questions.
Entry in the large family of happy Lumagen users is only a phone call away.


Jason Turk 585-671-2968
Daniel Hutnicki 585-671-2937
Bobbijean Coakley 585-671-2920
Mark Haflich 585-671-2972
post #463 of 527
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

RE: "it" -- which one?

I think most people (in the Audyssey thread -- biased I realize) find it useful if they play with it long enough.

Mike

True...I'm referring to the XT32 vs XT...

I'm probably down to either the Onkyo 1007 or 3008....maybe the Denon you referenced as well......Since I'm new to everything, might just go the 1007 route...near $600 some places.

I don't know much about the other stuff, guess I have more researching.

Do I need to drop $1300 on that?
post #464 of 527
Mike,

Did you ever find a TV wall mount that articulates?

I'm thinking I'm going to place my 37" Aquos on the wall my rack sits in...

Then cover it with my velvet curtains when not in use to match my window curtains on the opposite side (this should also cover my 1st reflection points...and my wife won't know the better!-she doesn't like the acoustic panel idea..weird!)

Anyways..let me know!
post #465 of 527
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post

Mike,

Did you ever find a TV wall mount that articulates?

I'm thinking I'm going to place my 37" Aquos on the wall my rack sits in...

Then cover it with my velvet curtains when not in use to match my window curtains on the opposite side (this should also cover my 1st reflection points...and my wife won't know the better!-she doesn't like the acoustic panel idea..weird!)

Anyways..let me know!

Yo HO -

My gym TV is still just sitting on a tall cabinet.
It works.
My bar TV is on a shelf.

There are many articulating options; however, the really nice ones can cost as much as the TV.
Let me know what you get.

Mike
post #466 of 527
Thread Starter 
After a discussion in the Audyssey thread (post):

Quote:
Originally Posted by batpig View Post
here is what Chris has said in the past:
(bold added)
Quote:
Originally Posted by audyssey
Midrange compensation is an intentional dip in the 2 kHz region where the vast majority of tweeter-to-midrange crossovers are.
In that region the tweeter is at the low end of its range and the midrange at the high end of its range and the directivity of the speaker goes through major changes.
We found that if that region is equalized to flat, the change in direct to reflected ratio that happens because of the directivity variations causes voices to sound harsh (among other things).
So, we have this implemented in the Audyssey target curve.
With MultEQ Pro you can choose to turn it off, but we don't recommend it.
This notion was observed 40 years ago by BBC speaker designers in their studio monitors.
They designed their speakers with this "BBC dip" intentionally in the speaker response.
Interesting.

These were my settings:
Target Sound Options:
-- Mid range compensation (MRC): off
-- High frequency roll off: #1


I guess I should try MRC "on" and see what that sounds like.

Mike
---------------------------------------------------------
...I was thinking of trying MRC on/off and see what it sounds like.

That got me thinking of a variety of possible changes:

1. Exchange Denon 5308CI for 4311CI and get 2 subs for SubEQ and XT32 -- but that is not happening soon.
2. Try to change the port setting/plug for my SVS PB12-Ultra/2 (SVS link) to 16 Hz (from 20 Hz) and see if I can get more low frequency extension.
eg -- 16Hz config (2 ports blocked and SS filter at 16Hz)
I see the SVS response curves for 25 Hz and 20 Hz but not 16 Hz here:
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-ultra2.cfm

My last Audyssey setup has a flat low frequency response to 20 Hz (don't know about lower as limit for that version of Audyssey FW).

Can I do better?
Just leave it alone?

Since the sub gain has lots of room and the AVR trim is negative it seems like I have lots of headroom remaining.

Mike

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Date: 11-21-09
Variables:
Audyssey version: v3.2.628.465
Measures: 12
RS1000Sig
-- toe in: aimed at center
-- woofers aimed (in or out): in
-- woofers gain: ~ 2 o’clock position [increased from last time --approx 40% max (left), 60% max (right)]
-- woofers phase: 0
-- woofers frequency (crossover/cutoff): Freq to ~80 (10 o'clock position)
RSC200Sig Center: tilted up toward ear height
Sub position: front left corner
Target Sound Options:
-- Mid range compensation (MRC): off
-- High frequency roll off: #1
Mic: ~1.5 ft from back of leather chair
Measures
-- #1: front, mid (right)
-- #2: front, mid (right) – 3 ft in front of prior position
-- #3-8: remaining front seats & 3 ft in front
-- #9, 10 – mid back seats (excluding most lateral back seats as off tweeter axis)
-- #11, 12 – 3 ft in front of first position
Chairs:
-- Front - measured as fully reclined
-- Back - measured as fully reclined

Other comments:
- no cell phones or Blackberry in room (may interfere)
- decreased subwoofer gain to = 10 o’clock position -- given -12 dB gain via Audyssey measurement on 11-06 and 11-08-09 calculations
- mic away from seat
- less "wide" at rear seating position based on L/R toe in
- more measurements

Next time:
-\tdifferent height measures
-\tinclude two lateral back seats as not “extreme” off axis (???)
-\t??? change RS1000Sig woofer gain and/or crossover ???
-\tConsider playing with MRC and “flat” custom curve

 

Audyssey Customer Certificate 11-21-09 - 12 meas - 80Hz cutoff.pdf 147.958984375k . file
post #467 of 527
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I had not been using Audyssey Dynamic EQ before (to be more "pure" or something).
I switched it on last night while watching The Empire Strikes Back with the kids.
We listened at usual listening level (-18 to -20 from reference).
Wow!
So much better.
I must not have experimented with this much. Stupid.

Since I usually listen at levels way below reference with the kids in the HT room and wife watching TV upstairs (despite QuietRock and other noise isolating abilities - basement, door closed, room treatments) -- having the Dynamic EQ really helped.

Mike

From site:
(bold added)

Quote:


Dynamic EQ highlights
Audio detail, all the time. Dynamic EQ continuously monitors your content to make dialog intelligible and background detail audible. Fully enjoy your movies, music and games.
Surround sound at low volumes. When you turn the volume down, surround sound and bass disappear. With Dynamic EQ, you can regain your surround sound and not wake the kids.
A key component in your AVR. Audyssey Dynamic EQ comes standard on many home theater receivers – be sure yours has it.
post #468 of 527
Great setup! Wow!

I too love DynamicEQ on my Dennon AVR (Just a 789) and I don't really care for Dynamic Volume.

Good to see a fellow SE Wisconsin-er. I live in Lake Geneva.

Smitty
post #469 of 527
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty2k1 View Post

Great setup! Wow!

I too love DynamicEQ on my Dennon AVR (Just a 789) and I don't really care for Dynamic Volume.

Good to see a fellow SE Wisconsin-er. I live in Lake Geneva.

Smitty

Thanks.

There are several AVSers around here.
For instance check out Warpdrv's subwoofer thread.
Good stuff.

Mike
post #470 of 527
Thread Starter 
Lumagen Radiance XE problems...

I posted this on AVS:

AVS Lumagen Radiance thread - link
Lumagen Forum - link

Quote:


Equipment:
In brief, I have a Lumagen XE connected to Denon 5308CI(A) for sound and JVC RS20 projector for video.

Problem:
When I turn on the system as I usually do the XE power light turns red and then green (normal).

If I hit an input number (eg 1), then the green light goes out on the XE and I have no signal to the projector.

Troubleshooting:
1. I've turned on/off multiple times by main system switch (Surge-X SEQ) or by pulling out power cord from XE.
2. If before I hit an input button I hit 16:9 or other aspect ratio button, I can see that change on the projector.
3. The projector test button works fin
4. Only recent change is upgrading my Oppo BDP83 FW to latest public release. However, I can't see how that should effect XE.


Any thoughts?

Is there another "reset" that doesn't destroy my Craig Rounds XE calibration settings?

Thanks.

Mike
post #471 of 527
Thread Starter 
New Lumagen Radiance XE power supply should be here on Wed to trouble shoot.

My lamp is about 1300 hours, so I guess I should start thinking about:

- new lamp
- cleaning lamp assembly (will find that link...)
- re-calibration after 100 hours on new lamp

Holding off on a new projector for as long as possible.
I think the auto "warning" light on the JVC RS20 goes on at 1900 hours.

Mike
post #472 of 527
I'm at 1750 hours on my bulb so I know what you are talking about!

And I missed your post earlier about Dynamic EQ as well as other settings...these AVRs have tons of sweet options once you start exploring.
post #473 of 527
Thread Starter 
A new Lumagen Radiance XE power supply arrived on Wed, but I won't be able to experiment with fixing and changing all of the connections until this weekend.

Watching 10 Commandments (over 3 nights!) with the kids.

Mike
post #474 of 527
Thread Starter 
Installed new Lumagen Radiance XE power supply tonight.
Was able to pull up menu, but as before, when I hit an input (eg, #1) the Radiance went dead.

Any other suggestions before I return it?

Mike
post #475 of 527
The XE doesn't have firmware that updates does it?

10 Commandments rocks.

Ninja Edit-The '56 Heston version, of course.
post #476 of 527
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post

The XE doesn't have firmware that updates does it?

10 Commandments rocks.

Ninja Edit-The '56 Heston version, of course.

The XE has multiple FW versions; however, they are done manually and none were done/changed before the problems.

Mike
post #477 of 527
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post

The XE doesn't have firmware that updates does it?

10 Commandments rocks.

Ninja Edit-The '56 Heston version, of course.

Amazing.
I'm not sure how the FW could get "corrupted", but that sounds like the most logical explanation.
Fixed with a "force" update of the most recent: 021611 FW.

Mike
post #478 of 527
mike - your theater looks fantastic! job well done.. I have an odd question - similar to what I asked husker - it looks like you have covered a utility box behind your screen - is is possible to get some close up pics of how it was done?

thanks

jim
post #479 of 527
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jim tressler View Post

mike - your theater looks fantastic! job well done.. I have an odd question - similar to what I asked husker - it looks like you have covered a utility box behind your screen - is is possible to get some close up pics of how it was done?

thanks

jim

Thanks.
I can take some pics.
If you don't see anything posted in a few days feel free to re-post or PM me.
I will be out of town Fri/Sat, so will work on Sunday potentially.

Mike
post #480 of 527
awesome! thanks
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