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post #3511 of 4774
6/9/09 at 2:14pm
The 3000 is considered a LCD projector. I DESPISE lcd technology on flat screens. I also adore how plasma tvs look. Does the 3000 picture quality resemble a lcd flat screen?
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post #3512 of 4774
6/9/09 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by RapalloAV View Post

Do you use your 3000 ceiling mounted or shelf?

18ft from screen, ceiling mounted and at maximum offset for 16:9 and slightly up for 2:35. I'm also digitally shifting 2:35 vertical about -21. That really helps to hide any spill over of the black bars. Black below the screen is not as noticeable in my setup.
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post #3513 of 4774
6/9/09 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by notoriousmatty View Post

The 3000 is considered a LCD projector. I DESPISE lcd technology on flat screens. I also adore how plasma tvs look. Does the 3000 picture quality resemble a lcd flat screen?

I think that would depend on the size screen one was using
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post #3514 of 4774
6/9/09 at 3:22pm
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18ft from screen, ceiling mounted and at maximum offset for 16:9 and slightly up for 2:35. I'm also digitally shifting 2:35 vertical about -21. That really helps to hide any spill over of the black bars. Black below the screen is not as noticeable in my setup.

Thats about 5.5 meters away from the screen. What is the width of your ScopE screen?
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post #3515 of 4774
6/9/09 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by RapalloAV View Post

I think that would depend on the size screen one was using

I dont think it would. I can tell a 42 inch plasma from a 42 inch lcd any day..and at every size for that matter. LCD technology is straight garbage imo for flat screens. Poor black levels and motion judder, dont even get me started on 120hz. Should I just turn away from this projector now since its associated with LCD
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post #3516 of 4774
6/9/09 at 4:50pm
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Thats about 5.5 meters away from the screen. What is the width of your ScopE screen?

http://www.carada.com/ProductInfo.as...N-SCREEN-C120C
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post #3517 of 4774
6/9/09 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by notoriousmatty View Post

Should I just turn away from this projector now since its associated with LCD

Yes, it would be a waste of your time even spending one second thinking about the Panny or any other LCD.

Almost as wasteful as trying to convince all these Panny owners that their LCD projector sucks
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post #3518 of 4774
6/9/09 at 7:18pm
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http://www.carada.com/ProductInfo.as...N-SCREEN-C120C

That is equivalent to 134" 16:9 screen. With this green filter, I'm getting 12 ft lambert off the screen (at 2:35) and a very pleasing picture colorwise. Contrast must be extremely high because the 3D effect is really good. Like I said, I'm mounted at 18ft or so, but I would have moved further back if not for an obstruction; the contrast only gets better as you move back.

For the first time in 400 hrs and countless filter tweaks, I can say that I am really impressed with this projector's picture. Everything I throw at it seems to look good with really good black levels. Gamma measures slightly high ~ 2.1

The last tweak I might try is an RGB level correction to the Blue level (slight hump) via the Panasonic software "Adjustment Tool". It appears Cine4home does the same; and I think I found a local store that has the necessary software. I'll let you know what I find.
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post #3519 of 4774
6/10/09 at 10:25am
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The last tweak I might try is an RGB level correction to the Blue level (slight hump) via the Panasonic software "Adjustment Tool".

Please tell us more about this "Adjustment Tool".
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post #3520 of 4774
6/10/09 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post

Please tell us more about this "Adjustment Tool".

Yes, please do...
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post #3521 of 4774
6/10/09 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post

Please tell us more about this "Adjustment Tool".

I don't know much about it other than it is mentioned in the Service Manual and allows for a change the RGB curves/levels. I'm hoping it will allow the service technician to flatten the Blue hump.

Don't ask me where to get the Service Manual.
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post #3522 of 4774
6/10/09 at 12:12pm
Where can I get the service manual?
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post #3523 of 4774
6/10/09 at 12:39pm
^^

Here is one suggestion:

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Originally Posted by HMenke View Post

I ordered it from manualsparadise.com for $25. You have to wait a couple of hours for them to send a download link to you by email, but the file was a crisp .PDF and I was totally satisfied with it.
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post #3524 of 4774
6/10/09 at 4:24pm
Back when HMenke posted that, I ordered the manual from manualsparadise. I guess I should have read it Now that I am looking at the Adjustment Tool pages, the explanations imply that a service technician would need a lot more than this piece of software. It looks like calibration software would be needed that could format its results into the projector's file type. For example, a button called

Gamma Data [Transmission]:
- Reads the gamma data from the file and transmits it to the projector.

Oraclation, even though I like doing my own calibrations, I have to agree with your approach: find a service tech who can make the adjustment for you.
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post #3525 of 4774
6/10/09 at 6:18pm
I just pulled the trigger and got the projector. I had an older projector with a Chief mount and was going to order just the custom plate but instead got the universal mount. How does one mount the RPAU mount to the 4 holes indicated on the CAD drawing and leave the 5th for the security cable (the one shown in the picture in the manual)? The only way I can seem to configure the universal mount leaves the 5th hole as the back center one (that is in the oval depression). This makes it difficult to place the cable. Anyone have other configurations?
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post #3526 of 4774
6/11/09 at 7:29am
Had a scary moment yesterday when the power went out while the projector was on. It was connected to a surge protector though. Turned it on this morning and everything seems to be fine. Should I be worried or count myself lucky?
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post #3527 of 4774
6/11/09 at 9:07am
Lucky!

The PJ didn't get a chance to cool down. Get yourself a battery-backup UPS. They don't cost much but will let you shut down in an orderly manner, allowing the fan to run and cool down the unit. You don't need a huge energy reserve, just 10 or 15 minutes is more than enough. Be sure the UPS VA rating is higher than the max wattage draw of the projector.
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post #3528 of 4774
6/11/09 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by XrayEyes View Post

I just pulled the trigger and got the projector. I had an older projector with a Chief mount and was going to order just the custom plate but instead got the universal mount. How does one mount the RPAU mount to the 4 holes indicated on the CAD drawing and leave the 5th for the security cable (the one shown in the picture in the manual)? The only way I can seem to configure the universal mount leaves the 5th hole as the back center one (that is in the oval depression). This makes it difficult to place the cable. Anyone have other configurations?

I don't use the cable, I figure if 4 seperate bolts come out at the same time and the PJ falls, then it's not your day anyway...
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post #3529 of 4774
6/12/09 at 5:18am
Guys tell me if this is correct

To zoom to 2:35.1 I use the following method:

Everything is at zero, then I use vertical manual shift to put the 16:9 image in my screen.. focus and zoom SAVE.

Now 2:35.1 I zoom and the image goes down... but this time I use Digital Vertical Shift to put it again in my screen... SAVE..

So resuming in the 2:35.1 I'm using about 34 digital shift and a little bit of manual shift... Is this degrading the picture in anyway?
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post #3530 of 4774
6/12/09 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by fedexA300pilot View Post

I don't use the cable, I figure if 4 seperate bolts come out at the same time and the PJ falls, then it's not your day anyway...

After installing the Chief RPA-U universal mount, I don't think it is the best option for this projector. The geometry is suboptimal. I have since read several similar statements on these forums from people who have had the same problem on earlier models which have the same enclosure. If you want the best fit and also install the safety cable correctly, the RPA-181 is probably a better way to go (especially if you plan on having this projector awhile).
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post #3531 of 4774
6/12/09 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by Sujay View Post

Had a scary moment yesterday when the power went out while the projector was on. It was connected to a surge protector though. Turned it on this morning and everything seems to be fine. Should I be worried or count myself lucky?

That shouldn't be a big deal as long as you leave it turned off for a long period of time to let the bulb cool down by itself.
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post #3532 of 4774
6/12/09 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by timetodoit View Post

Guys tell me if this is correct

To zoom to 2:35.1 I use the following method:

Everything is at zero, then I use vertical manual shift to put the 16:9 image in my screen.. focus and zoom SAVE.

Now 2:35.1 I zoom and the image goes down... but this time I use Digital Vertical Shift to put it again in my screen... SAVE..

So resuming in the 2:35.1 I'm using about 34 digital shift and a little bit of manual shift... Is this degrading the picture in anyway?

You are not degrading the image but you shouldnt need to manually use the lens shift again if everything is set correctly.
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post #3533 of 4774
6/12/09 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by ilsiu View Post

Yes, it would be a waste of your time even spending one second thinking about the Panny or any other LCD.

Almost as wasteful as trying to convince all these Panny owners that their LCD projector sucks

He is mixing technologies, and then comparing them. A flat panel 42" LCD is quite a bit different than an LCD projector (at least I would believe so). Perhaps their functionality is closer than I would believe, and someone can enlighten me, but based on how the displays work I can't imagine that it would be very worthwhile to compare them.

Alas, notoriousmatty has either never seen a well calibrated Samsung 46"+ 650 series or higher LCD, or he's just spent too much time in the plasma section drinking the coolaid. I won't say that Samsungs LCD are the best flat panel TV out there (I wouldn't doubt if some of the BEST plasma's could be a tad better), I won't even argue that Samsung is the best LCD flat panel TV out there (arguable), but I will argue that the Samsung LCD picture is absolutely fantastic. To claim otherwise just shows his ignorance.
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post #3534 of 4774
6/12/09 at 5:29pm
I've owned a 3-CRT Seleco and an Optoma DLP previously. I'm in a new house now and so decided to try LCD. Don't want to spend on a D-ILA or Sony right now. Just received my AE3000U today and hope to install it this weekend. It will be projecting from above screen height. I want to use the zoom capability to project both 16:9 and 2.35:1. Realistically, how much higher than the top of the screen can the projector be? How about distance from the screen? My equipment (other than speakers) will be in an adjacent room, including the projector, which will project through a cutout.
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post #3535 of 4774
6/12/09 at 5:53pm
^ Roughly 10 inches max from a 14ft 5in throw. details
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post #3536 of 4774
6/13/09 at 5:47am
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Originally Posted by notoriousmatty View Post

The 3000 is considered a LCD projector. I DESPISE lcd technology on flat screens. I also adore how plasma tvs look. Does the 3000 picture quality resemble a lcd flat screen?

I'm disappointed that people have been getting up in your grille about this. I would hope that this forum is a place where people can come to get helpful answers, not immediate criticism.

This is AV Science Forum, and you've asked a very legitimate AVS question: "How does the picture quality of an LCD projector compare to that of an LCD TV?"

I know exactly what you are talking about. I have two LCD HDTVs that I bought to replace CRTs in the kitchen and bedroom. Although I like the convenience of space-saving flat panels and the ability to receive HD digital signals, the "look" of the LCDs is quite inferior to the old CRTs. They definitely look "digital" and not as rich in contrast ratio, motion artifacts and digital blocking abound, off-axis viewing is dim and flat, and whites and blacks tend to be crushed no matter what settings are applied.

I also have a Panny 3000 LCD HD front projector, and to me it's the best picture quality I have ever attained in my home. It has a completely different character than the LCD flat panels. It is bright, rich and detailed, with great contrast and invisible pixel structure. Off-axis viewing creates zero loss of image punch and depth. I think it looks very much like what you see in a commercial movie theater. If you like the very bright look of a plasma flat screen, it's possible to use settings and lamp modes on this projector to achieve a similar presentation (in a darkened room of course).

I would say in conclusion, that LCD flat panels and LCD projectors have almost nothing in common with respect to overall appearance of the picture that they deliver. So even if you don't like the look of LCD flat panels, that should not stop you from giving LCD front projection a look. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the difference.
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post #3537 of 4774
6/14/09 at 11:01am
I am really thinking about getting a PT-AE3000u and selling my 60xs955 in my basement on ebay/craigslist. I have a 10'x25' room in my basement completely void of light with a great sound system that I want to turn into a home theater space.

I was considering purchasing a PT-AE3000u with a 16' throw and building my own 120" Diagonal, 2:35:1 screen, using kilz2 primer and SilverXG as detailed by MississippiMan and CMRA.

I want to line the screen in a black velvet border, and make velvet flaps so I can use the 120" 2:35 screen with the PT-AE3000u's cinemascope memory function, then close the flaps and bring the image in for a 96" 16:9 screen. (I have been using ProjectorCentral for all of my calculation on throw and light level.)

I want to know if there is anyone that has a similar setup, or has the PT-AE3000u in a 120"+ 2:35:1 configuration? And what problems if any you had.
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post #3538 of 4774
6/14/09 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by HMenke View Post

I'm disappointed that people have been getting up in your grille about this. I would hope that this forum is a place where people can come to get helpful answers, not immediate criticism.

This is AV Science Forum, and you've asked a very legitimate AVS question: "How does the picture quality of an LCD projector compare to that of an LCD TV?"

I know exactly what you are talking about. I have two LCD HDTVs that I bought to replace CRTs in the kitchen and bedroom. Although I like the convenience of space-saving flat panels and the ability to receive HD digital signals, the "look" of the LCDs is quite inferior to the old CRTs. They definitely look "digital" and not as rich in contrast ratio, motion artifacts and digital blocking abound, off-axis viewing is dim and flat, and whites and blacks tend to be crushed no matter what settings are applied.

I also have a Panny 3000 LCD HD front projector, and to me it's the best picture quality I have ever attained in my home. It has a completely different character than the LCD flat panels. It is bright, rich and detailed, with great contrast and invisible pixel structure. Off-axis viewing creates zero loss of image punch and depth. I think it looks very much like what you see in a commercial movie theater. If you like the very bright look of a plasma flat screen, it's possible to use settings and lamp modes on this projector to achieve a similar presentation (in a darkened room of course).

I would say in conclusion, that LCD flat panels and LCD projectors have almost nothing in common with respect to overall appearance of the picture that they deliver. So even if you don't like the look of LCD flat panels, that should not stop you from giving LCD front projection a look. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the difference.

Not my experience at all! Presently I have two gamma corrected CRTs (Sony G90 and a Marquee 8500 (LC)) an Epson 7500 (LCD) and a Samsung 5281F (LED LCD). My T.V. (the Samsung) produces an image that can give my G90 a run for it's money (black level) and is sharper. My Epson projector has a good black level, but not in the same league (but supposedly better than the AE3000) as the CRT projectors or the Samsung. Bottom line - the better LCD T.V.s are very good and certainly better, IMO, than the new LCD projectors in all respects except image size.
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post #3539 of 4774
6/14/09 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

Bottom line - the better LCD T.V.s are very good and certainly better, IMO, than the new LCD projectors in all respects except image size.

There you are notoriousmatty, a second opinion to think about.
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post #3540 of 4774
6/14/09 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

Not my experience at all! Presently I have two gamma corrected CRTs (Sony G90 and a Marquee 8500 (LC)) an Epson 7500 (LCD) and a Samsung 5281F (LED LCD). My T.V. (the Samsung) produces an image that can give my G90 a run for it's money (black level) and is sharper. My Epson projector has a good black level, but not in the same league (but supposedly better than the AE3000) as the CRT projectors or the Samsung. Bottom line - the better LCD T.V.s are very good and certainly better, IMO, than the new LCD projectors in all respects except image size.

I think that the answer will also depend on your screen/environment. When I have my room dark, and my highpower screen, the image looks fantastic with my AE3000. Let any light in, and then my LCD TV's look nicer.
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