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post #241 of 1124
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Originally Posted by xradman View Post

Again, I believe your motherboard is defective. I do not have Vista as I am running Windows XP SP3 with E8400 (not OCed), 4GB RAM, 640GB HD, and LG HD DVD Blu-ray combo drive. MB BIOS is 4.04. My chipset gets barely warm to touch with the machine running. My CPU load playing Blu-ray movie is around 10-15%. I have oversized CPU cooler, but nothing other than 8cm case fan, and PSU fan in my HTPC case (D-Vine MCE303).

Ok i now have a 2nd P5N7A.
This one will stay up in memtest86+ v2.01 test 5 for about 30mins whereas the other board would shutdown after only 5-10mins. An improvement of sorts.

xradman: What CPU cooler do you have?
If you have something like a Thermalright SI-128 blowing down, with a lot of air hitting the NB heatsink then I guess everything would be fine.
I have a Scythe Ninja 2, but only a very small amount of air passes over the NB. It is impossible to touch NB after machine has been on a few mins.

The board is currently on a bench with no proper airflow over anything but the cpu heatsink which has a fan. I've had to lean a 120mm fan over the heatsink to get this and the last board stable. I can run it on q-fan silent mode and it's inaudible. But I think I shouldn't have to do that.

I can see that the small amount of airflow when the MB is in case would of course help. But that would be a tiny difference. The MB would be shutting down on a hot day with such marginal tolerances.

I believe a MB should have an appropriate cooling solution i.e. if it needs a fan to keep it cool then it should have one. Or a larger heatsink, more efficient heat-pipe solution, etc. Otherwise the product would not be 'fit for purpose'. At least under UK law.

Do I just have another bad MB? I can't believe I've had two boards that have heat issues?
Anyone advise?
Cheers.
post #242 of 1124
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Originally Posted by drapp1952 View Post

Try SpeedFan 4.36 (Google it - it's free.) Under the Readings tab, you'll have to try reducing the speed of each fan to find which one controls the CPU fan. I know Speed04 is for the Chassis fan which is what I have my accessory fan plugged in to cool down the Asus heatsink. When you've got the right speed control turned down you'll hear your fan noise reduce and you can choose the level that sounds acceptable while keeping the CPU cool enough. You might have to disable the Q-fan utility.

Dan

Hey, thanks. I tried it out, and Speed04 is also my chassi fan, but I can't find the one that controls the CPU fan... the cpu fan is the loudest, its unbearable! :S

Anyone?

EDIT: Seems like this fan won't work with Q-fan. I will fix it with zalman fanmate 2.
Thanks for input!
post #243 of 1124
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Originally Posted by sntholiday View Post

I am having problem #2, except my CPU is an E2200 (not OC'ed) which is also
staying around 50% load if I run cpu-z or hwmonitor. If I run hwmonitor it shows gpu temp between 40-47c, so I don't believe heat is a problem. How are you measuring gpu temp?

I think ASUS rushed these boards to market and as early adopters we are finding the problems. Hopefully the bugs will be worked out quickly.

You can use either SmartFan 4.36 or GPU-Z to see GPU temperature. Have you tried to reboot after using CUP-Z?

I'm opening a RMA......
post #244 of 1124
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Originally Posted by gildenman View Post

Do I just have another bad MB? I can't believe I've had two boards that have heat issues?
Anyone advise?
Cheers.

Virtually all of them are this hot, and those that aren't, are lying.

Either get a larger heatsink, or get a mobo without IGP.

Welcome to the New World Order.
post #245 of 1124
Figured I would pass this info on as I was researching:


Does the GeForce 9 mGPU / nForce 730i support Dolby True HD, DTS Master, or LPCM 7.1 audio via HDMI?


Answer
The GeForce 9 mGPU / nForce 730i only supports LPCM 7.1 audio and legacy codecs such as Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS. Advanced audio codecs are not supported.

Got this from the NVidia Site...

Not that this is a bad thing ONLY if your receiver does not support LPCM...
post #246 of 1124
Ok, well I think I can finally report on my build after a week of use. Overall, I'd say that the build went relatively smoothly, and as of now, it is very stable. Almost the "just works" factor I was looking for.

Here are the problems that I have encountered, and what I did.
1) HDMI flashes in and out. I think this is due to a low wattage power supply, but I'm not quite willing to spend a another $50 on a higher wattage PSU right now (more expensive than the case!) Is anyone else using their board with less than 300 watts? If so, is HDMI out working? HDMI audio worked when I tried it initially. I did not install the realtek drivers at all. For now, I have switched to DVI, and have plugged the SPDIF into my receiver. SPDIF works well, I'm getting Dolby Digital just beautifully.

2)Startup issues. I don't know what it was, but when I first started, after putting my HTPC to sleep, after a certain period of time, it would seem like it was turning on, and then quickly shut off. Then, when I would start the PC again, it would not get pass the bios screen. Would have to hard reboot to get it to work. I was thinking it was something to do with the LAN trying to communicate. (No matter what people say, something about Vista and ethernet ports just does not turn them off.) Ended up assigning my HTPC a static IP address, and I haven't had the problem since. Now it sleeps like a baby for the entire night.

3)Heat Issues. Well, It's not the 85 degrees that some people are quoting. But when when I watched a recorded show in high definition (sorry, no bluray to test), the CPU and motherboard hardly broke 40 C. The chipset went up to 72 C, and then I think the Q-control fans kicked in, and 15 minutes later, it was about 66 C. That seems to be around the temperature I've been seeing over and over again. I've got my computer is a very small uATX slim case, but I think well ventilated case.

Using:
Core 2 Duo E7200
2x2GB Ballistix Ram. (No, I haven't tried to play around with CPU timings.)
250 GB Seagate SATA HDD 7200.10
apex DM-387 case
Samsung SH-S223Q DVD burner
Vista Home Premium 32 bit
post #247 of 1124
FYI... I was researching this also..

Right from the NVIDIA SITE:
Does the GeForce 9 mGPU / nForce 730i support Dolby True HD, DTS Master, or LPCM 7.1 audio via HDMI?
Answer
The GeForce 9 mGPU / nForce 730i only supports LPCM 7.1 audio and legacy codecs such as Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS. Advanced audio codecs are not supported.

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Originally Posted by smiledr View Post

Thanks for your advice, I will try it again tonight with your steps. If that doesn't work, then I probably have a defective HDMI audio out on my board. I get audio via optical, but TruHD audio gets outputted to 2 channel only which was the whole reason I got this board to get full audio.
post #248 of 1124
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Originally Posted by quantumstate View Post

Virtually all of them are this hot, and those that aren't, are lying.

Thanks for the reply.
Well the cooling solution is not up to scratch if MBs can't even stay on

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Originally Posted by quantumstate View Post

Either get a larger heatsink, or get a mobo without IGP.

Ok. I just cleaned the NB and put ceramique on there. Christ that heatsink has got a rough arse underside. Two large F shape stamps on it and various pock marks.
Well after doing that the MB has now been up for 3hrs in memtest86+.
Looks like that crappy heatsink might just be getting enough heat out of the NB now.
It shouldn't be necessary for me to have to do that for the MB to work at all!
I'm concerned that it's going to be a borderline solution and that on a hot day or just warmer conditions that this thing will be shutting down.
Perhaps, as you suggest, another heatsink. Any ideas on these:

Zalman Passive NorthBridge Cooler ZM-NBF47

http://www.zalman.co.kr/ENG/product/...ad.asp?idx=133

Seems to have the clips for hooks, but only two for some reason.

Thermalright HR-05/IFX

http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_pa...50aHVzaWFzdA==

Seems much better designed, with heatpipes and choice of fan. However, is it compatible. I think not?

Cheers.
post #249 of 1124
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Originally Posted by quantumstate View Post

Virtually all of them are this hot, and those that aren't, are lying.

Either get a larger heatsink, or get a mobo without IGP.

Welcome to the New World Order.

you seem eager to call the other members liars

I think it's sample variation personally

I'm waiting for the Gigabyte board to see how it turns out
post #250 of 1124
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Originally Posted by quantumstate View Post

As I said in a prior post, I use the hr-05/ifx. Has two J hooks and a matching hold-down spring.

Sorry I missed that. To be clear, you're confirming the hr-05/ifx is compatible with the P5N7A?

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Originally Posted by quantumstate View Post

And since I'm using DXVA I've found it necessary to add a fan to it, which as it happens will also blow on the (passive) CPU heatsink. Arctic Cooling, of course.

When you say 'found it necessary', was that cos it was shutting down or rather you just weren't comfortable with the temps?
Many thanks for your advice.
post #251 of 1124
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Originally Posted by tsb View Post

you seem eager to call the other members liars

I think it's sample variation personally

I'm waiting for the Gigabyte board to see how it turns out


Just ignore him. It's not worth responding to his gibberish.
post #252 of 1124
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Originally Posted by quantumstate View Post

Virtually all of them are this hot, and those that aren't, are lying.

Either get a larger heatsink, or get a mobo without IGP.

Welcome to the New World Order.

I've now built 2 systems with this board. My heat sink is not hot. Can put my finger on it comfortably.
post #253 of 1124
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Originally Posted by editorman View Post

I've now built 2 systems with this board. My heat sink is not hot. Can put my finger on it comfortably.

Which cpu cooler(s)?
Certain designs remove a lot of heat from the NB heatsink. Others none at all.
Cheers.
post #254 of 1124
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Originally Posted by gildenman View Post

Which cpu cooler(s)?
Certain designs remove a lot of heat from the NB heatsink. Others none at all.
Cheers.

In order for something to remove heat, it has to be hot in the first place. It's counterintuitive, but true. If your heat sink gets hot, that means it's transferring heat very well from your chipset. My NB heat sink is not hot at all. I don't think it has anything to do with my CPU cooler. I can put my hand on my NB heat sink after the computer has been on for 30 min or so, and it's barely warm. Perhaps my heat sink isn't touching the chipset at all and that's why it's not hot. But I don't think so. Before installing the MB, I checked the NB heat sink to see how tightly it was on and it seemed to be on pretty tight. So from all this, I can only conclude that some NB chipsets are defective.
post #255 of 1124
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Originally Posted by xradman View Post

In order for something to remove heat, it has to be hot in the first place. It's counterintuitive, but true. If your heat sink gets hot, that means it's transferring heat very well from your chipset. My NB heat sink is not hot at all. I don't think it has anything to do with my CPU cooler. I can put my hand on my NB heat sink after the computer has been on for 30 min or so, and it's barely warm. Perhaps my heat sink isn't touching the chipset at all and that's why it's not hot. But I don't think so. Before installing the MB, I checked the NB heat sink to see how tightly it was on and it seemed to be on pretty tight. So from all this, I can only conclude that some NB chipsets are defective.

Does your cpu cooler also blow air over your NB?
That makes a big difference.
I take your point about some NB chipsets could be faulty and generating too much heat. However, I placed a fan blowing some air over my NB, at the slowest speed possible, and it cooled it very well. It doesn't take much airflow to remove that heat.
Just cleaning my NB and applying better thermal compound stopped my shutdowns completely, but the NB is still too hot to touch without the fan. From that I can't see how your heatsink could not be touching your chipset. As it made such a difference for me.
That can only mean you do have some airflow over your NB which is preventing the heat building up or indeed your chipset doesn't generate as much heat as the two I have tried.
Until someone can categorically say that their NB is just warm to touch *and* there is no airflow over it, then it is only speculation about some chipsets producing more heat than others.
Cheers.
post #256 of 1124
FYI - Do not use CPU-Z or any hardware monitor programs until later releases supporting the 9300/9400. It gives inaccurate results for memory, bus speeds, etc. I would advise you use nVidia's System Tools:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_...ools_6.03.html

It works great and gives the correct bus speeds, memory timings, as well as GPU overclocking options.
post #257 of 1124
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Originally Posted by quantumstate View Post

Yes. The hr-05/ifx fits perfectly on the P5N7A-VM, adjacent to the CPU heatsink I'm using, if oriented properly. And has the proper hardware.
The latter. While watching 1080i with DXVA the chipset temp averaged 73C, even with the HR-05/IFX. It never crashed, but I have an 80mm fan on order.

Thanks for the clarifications. They're appreciated.
post #258 of 1124
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Originally Posted by stranx44 View Post

FYI - Do not use CPU-Z or any hardware monitor programs until later releases supporting the 9300/9400. It gives inaccurate results for memory, bus speeds, etc. I would advise you use nVidia's System Tools:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_...ools_6.03.html

It works great and gives the correct bus speeds, memory timings, as well as GPU overclocking options.

Yeah, we sit and wait for several apps which have support for this chipset added; CPU-Z and memtest86+ being just two.
Cheers.
post #259 of 1124
Hi - I can't get HDMI audio or video to my Onkyo 805 receiver. The receiver display says "NO SIGNAL". I don't have an HDCP compliant video display.

Forgetting video for now, is it possible just to send audio across HDMI to my receiver?

Latest nForce 20.08 drivers downloaded from ASUS and installed for Windows XP SP3. Latest Realtek drivers downloaded from ASUS. Fresh install. Sound playback is through Realtek Audio device. Audio speakers set to 5.1 in Control Panel. Realtek HD console S/PDIF output source tried in both modes (no S/PDIF output and output digital audio source). I had tried alternately disabling the nVidia and Realtek devices but neither condition ever synched up to the receiver. I also tried unplugging the HDMI cable and hot-plugging it back in each time I made driver changes to no improvement.

I do get sound out of the front jack panel HD audio headphone jack so I know the drivers are working. I can even get matrixed DD and DTS through headphones. I just don't understand why HDMI is not sending data to receiver.

Any hints? Or am I wasting my time trying to extract an audio stream from HDMI without an HDCP compliant video display?

Thanks.

Dave.
post #260 of 1124
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Originally Posted by Mtb_dave View Post

Hi - I can't get HDMI audio or video to my Onkyo 805 receiver. The receiver display says "NO SIGNAL". I don't have an HDCP compliant video display.

Forgetting video for now, is it possible just to send audio across HDMI to my receiver?

Latest nForce 20.08 drivers downloaded from ASUS and installed for Windows XP SP3. Latest Realtek drivers downloaded from ASUS. Fresh install. Sound playback is through Realtek Audio device. Audio speakers set to 5.1 in Control Panel. Realtek HD console S/PDIF output source tried in both modes (no S/PDIF output and output digital audio source). I had tried alternately disabling the nVidia and Realtek devices but neither condition ever synched up to the receiver. I also tried unplugging the HDMI cable and hot-plugging it back in each time I made driver changes to no improvement.

I do get sound out of the front jack panel HD audio headphone jack so I know the drivers are working. I can even get matrixed DD and DTS through headphones. I just don't understand why HDMI is not sending data to receiver.

Any hints? Or am I wasting my time trying to extract an audio stream from HDMI without an HDCP compliant video display?

Thanks.

Dave.

You need to disable Realtek driver in device manager for HDMI audio with Windows XP. If that doesn't work, try reinstalling NVidia HDMI driver after disabling Realtek audio driver.
post #261 of 1124
I finally figured out why my system was having so much trouble booting. It turns out, external hard drives do not play nicely with Asus motherboards. What happens is the boot screen takes about 3x as long, and then when its supposed to run Vista, it just displays a blank screen. I ended up having to restart and running "Last Known Good Configuration" for it to work properly.

But I think I found a solution! I ended up disabling legacy USB support. I don't think I have any USB 1.1 devices, so I should be in good shape. And that seemed to solve the problem.
post #262 of 1124
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I ended up disabling legacy USB support. I don't think I have any USB 1.1 devices, so I should be in good shape.

Legacy USB has nothing to do with Ver 1.1 vs. Ver 2.... legacy usb is keyboards and mice (and even storage devices) that you want to work outside of windows...

post #263 of 1124
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Originally Posted by stranx44 View Post

I never disabled the REaltek. I installed the chipset drivers, then the Realtek audio drivers, then finally the HDMI drivers. Afterwards, went into REALTEK utility and set spdif output to HDMI. works like a champ.

I just tried it again and still no go. I don't know which chipset driver you are using. Is it the one that came on the install CD or did you download the newest one from Asus? Same with Realtek, did you use the CD or download? Please can you let me know the exact steps again. I reformatted and reinstall Vista. Loaded the Asus motherboard CD and ran the chipset install. Ran the CD and installed the Realtek Audio driver. Downloaded nForce HD audio from Nvidia website and installed. I get optical out to work on the 805, but do not get HDMI to output whether I choose Nvidia HDMI or Realtek HDMI.
post #264 of 1124
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Originally Posted by jimwhite View Post

Legacy USB has nothing to do with Ver 1.1 vs. Ver 2.... legacy usb is keyboards and mice (and even storage devices) that you want to work outside of windows...

Ha, well whatever it does, it solved the problem. I'll have to dig around for my PS2-USB converter though, if I ever have to go back into the bios...
post #265 of 1124
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Originally Posted by Mtb_dave View Post

Hi - I can't get HDMI audio or video to my Onkyo 805 receiver. The receiver display says "NO SIGNAL". I don't have an HDCP compliant video display.

Forgetting video for now, is it possible just to send audio across HDMI to my receiver?

Latest nForce 20.08 drivers downloaded from ASUS and installed for Windows XP SP3. Latest Realtek drivers downloaded from ASUS. Fresh install. Sound playback is through Realtek Audio device. Audio speakers set to 5.1 in Control Panel. Realtek HD console S/PDIF output source tried in both modes (no S/PDIF output and output digital audio source). I had tried alternately disabling the nVidia and Realtek devices but neither condition ever synched up to the receiver. I also tried unplugging the HDMI cable and hot-plugging it back in each time I made driver changes to no improvement.

I do get sound out of the front jack panel HD audio headphone jack so I know the drivers are working. I can even get matrixed DD and DTS through headphones. I just don't understand why HDMI is not sending data to receiver.

Any hints? Or am I wasting my time trying to extract an audio stream from HDMI without an HDCP compliant video display?

Thanks.

Dave.


Maybe I can help you get video via the 805. I have the 805 as well, but I am running Vista 32. I can get video via HDMI to my 805 and then to my TV but no audio via HDMI only via OPTICAL. I installed the chipset driver, then the Realtek audio driver, then the nForce HD driver. Finally, I installed the Nvidia Video Driver. Once all are installed. I go to the NVIDIA CONTROL PANEL via right click on the desktop and choose Nvidia Control Panel. Then I enter the advance mode.

Under Setup Displays- (I have the computer hooked up by both VGA directly to the TV and via HDMI from the computer to the 805) I choose the 805 and in my case the TV name in the drop down menu. When I do that the TV will be display 1 and the 805 display 2. I right click on the bottom 2 squares representing the display and choose "Clone Display" so that it outputs via both HDMI and VGA. If I don't choose the 805, the Nvidia HDMI will be blanked out and I can't choose it as an audio source under the sound control panel. So when I enable it as a display, the Nvidia HDMI now shows up in and I can test it in the Sound Control Panel.

On the 805, click Setup on the remote, choose 1. Input and set your HDMI to your video button. In my case, AUX 1 is HDMI 2 as that is what I have the computer hooked up to the back of the receiver in the HDMI 2 Port. So now I have AUX 1 on the receiver display, I then go to the very front of the receiver and along the front panal, there is a DIGITAL INPUT button. I toggle that and OPT 1, COAX 1 and 2, then HDMI shows. I choose HDMI and that will get your audio input to match your video input now. I also have the computer hooked up to the 805 via Optical Cable. So I can get audio when I have AUX 1 and choose OPTICAL 1 as the audio input. I then choose Realtek Optical in the audio control panel and that is how I get HDMI video and optical audio. Right now I can't get HDMI audio out at all. Might be a bad HDMI audio port. I hope that helps if you never set up your computer to receiver before.
post #266 of 1124
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Originally Posted by smiledr View Post

I just tried it again and still no go. I don't know which chipset driver you are using. Is it the one that came on the install CD or did you download the newest one from Asus? Same with Realtek, did you use the CD or download? Please can you let me know the exact steps again. I reformatted and reinstall Vista. Loaded the Asus motherboard CD and ran the chipset install. Ran the CD and installed the Realtek Audio driver. Downloaded nForce HD audio from Nvidia website and installed. I get optical out to work on the 805, but do not get HDMI to output whether I choose Nvidia HDMI or Realtek HDMI.

I installed the one from the CD...nvidia chipset driver, then Realtek, then the nvidia hdmi. Just make sure that you set the default sound to Nvidia HDMI Output in the Sound properties (right click on the sound icon in the task bar box).
post #267 of 1124
Replying to myself pretty sad. Perhaps it might help someone tho:

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Originally Posted by gildenman View Post

Does your cpu cooler also blow air over your NB?
Until someone can categorically say that their NB is just warm to touch *and* there is no airflow over it, then it is only speculation about some chipsets producing more heat than others.

Sorry, I just re-read your other post where you already answered that question. The only fans in your case are 80mm and PSU. So no fan on NB or CPU.
Well that's more airflow than I have on the bench. That cannot be ruled out.
I think this is closely related to workload. After 15mins or so running memtest86+, my NB heatsink is too hot to touch.
However, I've just been running 3hrs of high prioirity orthos and the NB heatsink is just warm to touch.
Is yours still just warm during memtest?
Cheers.
post #268 of 1124
Ok, so I ordered this board without reading too much info on it other than hearing the 9300 chipset "just worked" for media and most importantly 24p. I wanted that badly.....

Now, I'm a little nervous about the potential heat problem. I have a Antec Fusion 430 black case. It has two 120mm fans sucking/blowing (not sure at the moment) that are on the right side of the case, just to the side of the motherboard. With no other cards plugged in, do you guys think that will be enough. I have them set on Low now for no noise, but there is a medium and high setting.

Does anyone here have an Antec Fusion 430 case and this motherboard? If so, I'd like to know if it had any problems. Temps don't scare me..locking up systems does .

I currently have an Asus P5E HDMI-VM without any problems related to heat. If no one else responds to this, I'll come back and let you all know how it went. My motherboard is coming tomorrow.

-Brian
post #269 of 1124
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Originally Posted by smiledr View Post

I just tried it again and still no go. I don't know which chipset driver you are using. Is it the one that came on the install CD or did you download the newest one from Asus? Same with Realtek, did you use the CD or download? Please can you let me know the exact steps again. I reformatted and reinstall Vista. Loaded the Asus motherboard CD and ran the chipset install. Ran the CD and installed the Realtek Audio driver. Downloaded nForce HD audio from Nvidia website and installed. I get optical out to work on the 805, but do not get HDMI to output whether I choose Nvidia HDMI or Realtek HDMI.

If nothing else seems to work, this is the order in which i installed drivers, which worked for me.
-Let Vista install any hadrware drivers it can find
-Installed nForce 20.08, with graphics
-Installed HDMI audio driver

I did not install realtek. I still get sound to my TV fine, and the SPDIF still worked.
post #270 of 1124
Ok set this up last night and first impressions were good - none of the heat issues or startup problems others have had... however I do have the same problems with HDMI audio that others are having. I have set the BIOS, tried disabling Realtek drivers etc and all to no avail. What versions of drivers are people using? When you mention the hd audio drivers, do you just mean the ones on the mobo CD or are there updated ones somewhere?
Someone else mentioned selecting "output SPDIF over HDMI"... where is this setting?

Second problem I have is a little noise on bluray playback. You can only see it close up on sky / mountains that kind of thing. Does anyone else have this? Are there any default settings that need changing in the BIOS to improve hardware acceleration? I have default BIOS settings apart from the HDMI audio.

My setup is core duo e8400, 2GB OCX RAM, LG HC20L Bluray / HD-DVD player, Sony KDL40W LCD, Sony STR-DA3200ES amp. Oh and only one film on Bluray so far which is the new Indiana Jones. Its only got dolby truhd sound track.. would that matter? Far as I understand it I should be ok long as the amp does 7.1 LPCM right?

Appreciate any advice.
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