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post #661 of 1051
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Originally Posted by samsungmaster View Post

I don't think you read my post correctly. LG is not responsible for the s/w fix, a third party is. That is where the delay is.

@susanandmark: Don't worry, I'll be "that guy".

Wow. It is my belief that Samsungmaster is speaking out of turn here because he doesn't even work in the division that would handle this type of issue. I'm not sure exact what the deal is but my guess is that he's an independent contractor that does work for LG from time to time or works in another division of the company altogether. He probably runs into the people we'd really love to talk to during lunch. That being said, he's probably the only person at least relaying info. to the correct division ala' AVS.

But as the immortal Ronnie Dobbs once said: "Don't **** in my mouth and call it a sundae."

It's obvious that he doesn't understand the concept of customer service at all. It makes no apparent sense to me why he would defend the revision history of this product/player. I do recall the 'Casino Royale' & 'Madagascar' issues back in the day (seems so long ago now..) but completely forgot how long it actually did take them to make these few titles playable on the machine.

The fact is that its an LG player and the buck stops there. I honestly do not care who the third-party is that was contracted to do the firmware work on the BH-200 (that's beside the point). What is important is that issues are fixed and addressed in a timely fashion and when they are, the new firmware is tested appropriately. Yes.. all this costs money but like I said: you want to play the HD stand-alone player game then you have to fully support the product (i.e. the Blu-Ray spec.. HD-DVD's spec was already set..).

Again, Samsungmaster (I hope) is not towing the company line on behalf of LG and the specific issues with this model. Because that would mean: LG does not believe the latest official firmware (the newest one on the network update) is not "bad or broken". I mean.. I guess they don't: it's the latest official firmware still up on their site and network for the model.

We don't have a 'The Dark Knight' as a major sell-through title on the format this season but I'd put my money down that 'Up' will be the biggest selling title overall from now until Christmas. Guess what kids!: it won't play in our BH-200's!! But hopefully it plays on older firmwares releases prior (has this been confirmed?). Is it just me here? Hasn't everyone's patience been tested thoroughly enough?

Listen.. this is how it goes. It might not be today, tomorrow, or the next month but someday down the line I will be asked for an opinion on a tech product. Inevitably, an LG machine (be that a HD player, TV, et.al.) will be mentioned. I will firmly not advise that person to stay away from that LG product. And I'm not guru.. but I'm pretty sure that person will indeed not purchase that LG product. Maybe it'll happen a few times in my lifetime? Point is, I will never purchase an LG product of any type ever again and I'll probably cost the company a few sales in the future. Hey.. probably doesn't hurt the bottom line too bad but it is what it is.. right? I mean, it's not their problem the machine is broke.. right?

Nah, not their fault at all. Goodbye BD-Live.. you might of been cool but I'll never know until I get a new player.


I just hope everyone else doesn't have continuing issues with more discs down the line.. (your next fix is coming in.. umm.. my guess.. Feb. of 2010).

-a.
post #662 of 1051
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Originally Posted by 2shave View Post

Just tried watching Disney Earth. Can confirm that this will not play with the latest firmware. Back-up to April 2009 firmware and it is playing fine.

How does one go back? There are no earlier versions of firmware on LG's site for the BH200? I updated via Network.
post #663 of 1051
Monsters INC works fine with the BD-Live firmware.

My guess is the disc was authored a long time ago since the release had been postponed.

I tried UP but that did not work, but Up was certainly authored recently.
post #664 of 1051
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by al0137 View Post

@susanandmark: Don't worry, I'll be "that guy".

Wow. It is my belief that Samsungmaster is speaking out of turn here because he doesn't even work in the division that would handle this type of issue. I'm not sure exact what the deal is but my guess is that he's an independent contractor that does work for LG from time to time or works in another division of the company altogether. He probably runs into the people we'd really love to talk to during lunch. That being said, he's probably the only person at least relaying info. to the correct division ala' AVS.

But as the immortal Ronnie Dobbs once said: "Don't **** in my mouth and call it a sundae."

It's obvious that he doesn't understand the concept of customer service at all. It makes no apparent sense to me why he would defend the revision history of this product/player. I do recall the 'Casino Royale' & 'Madagascar' issues back in the day (seems so long ago now..) but completely forgot how long it actually did take them to make these few titles playable on the machine.

The fact is that its an LG player and the buck stops there. I honestly do not care who the third-party is that was contracted to do the firmware work on the BH-200 (that's beside the point). What is important is that issues are fixed and addressed in a timely fashion and when they are, the new firmware is tested appropriately. Yes.. all this costs money but like I said: you want to play the HD stand-alone player game then you have to fully support the product (i.e. the Blu-Ray spec.. HD-DVD's spec was already set..).

Again, Samsungmaster (I hope) is not towing the company line on behalf of LG and the specific issues with this model. Because that would mean: LG does not believe the latest official firmware (the newest one on the network update) is not "bad or broken". I mean.. I guess they don't: it's the latest official firmware still up on their site and network for the model.

We don't have a 'The Dark Knight' as a major sell-through title on the format this season but I'd put my money down that 'Up' will be the biggest selling title overall from now until Christmas. Guess what kids!: it won't play in our BH-200's!! But hopefully it plays on older firmwares releases prior (has this been confirmed?). Is it just me here? Hasn't everyone's patience been tested thoroughly enough?

Listen.. this is how it goes. It might not be today, tomorrow, or the next month but someday down the line I will be asked for an opinion on a tech product. Inevitably, an LG machine (be that a HD player, TV, et.al.) will be mentioned. I will firmly not advise that person to stay away from that LG product. And I'm not guru.. but I'm pretty sure that person will indeed not purchase that LG product. Maybe it'll happen a few times in my lifetime? Point is, I will never purchase an LG product of any type ever again and I'll probably cost the company a few sales in the future. Hey.. probably doesn't hurt the bottom line too bad but it is what it is.. right? I mean, it's not their problem the machine is broke.. right?

Nah, not their fault at all. Goodbye BD-Live.. you might of been cool but I'll never know until I get a new player.


I just hope everyone else doesn't have continuing issues with more discs down the line.. (your next fix is coming in.. umm.. my guess.. Feb. of 2010).

-a.

The only reason the player gets updated is because of samsungmaster.

Remember, the amount of people who own this player and use it as their primary player swindles daily. From machines breaking to people selling them off to people etc. At best there are 100k people who own the player still
post #665 of 1051
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Monsters INC works fine with the BD-Live firmware.

My guess is the disc was authored a long time ago since the release had been postponed.

I tried UP but that did not work, but Up was certainly authored recently.

Correct. It was 'finished' back in March (?).
post #666 of 1051
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Monsters INC works fine with the BD-Live firmware.

My guess is the disc was authored a long time ago since the release had been postponed.

I tried UP but that did not work, but Up was certainly authored recently.

Thanks for the report.

I played the Up Blu-ray last night in my BH200 and it played perfectly except for a handful of momentary audio dropouts. I'm guessing there were something like 6 or 8 dropouts that lasted a fraction of a second during the course of the entire movie. These weren't a big deal but they were noticeable.

I ran the audio from the BH200 TOSLINK optical connection to a Denon AVR-3801 AV receiver. I am running the video directly to my Sony KV-36XBR800 display through an HDMI to DVI adapter.

I'm running the December 2008 firmware release (BH02081205A) and I'm wondering if the March 2009 version might correct the audio dropouts.

Has anyone tried Up with the March 2009 firmware yet?
post #667 of 1051
Here is my long drawn out experience with the UP disc.

I bought UP this afternoon at Target. When Inserted the disc and selected my language, I would get an error message stating I didn't have any memory available, and the screen would go black. I double checked to make sure the Ethernet was connected, I popped the extras disc in, but couldn't get past the BD-live info screen. After 20 minutes of searching, I found my thumb drive and inserted it into the player. Reinstalled the disc, and chose the language again, except this time when the screen when black, the thumb drive would flash once in a while and the times would change. After 5 minutes, the dog appeared and robotic wagged it tail, then screen went black again. After another 5 minutes, MENU showed on the player, but every time I'd hit play or >> I'd get an error/nocando (\\). I finally hit [TITLE] and got the menu to show up. The buttons responded slower than molasses. (press \\/ and 45 sec. later the balloon moves) I thought I hit setup, but the BD-live came on after another 4 minutes of updating. (at least that works I guess!!)
30 minutes later....I still am trying to get the audio setup...ballon besides the audio, but subtitles show up. I swear I only hit the down button one time.?!?!? OK, I made the mistake of trying to enter the "Maximize your Home Theater Experience" .....screen went black. I guess I'm back at square one. After 5 minutes, still nothing. maybe it's to check the blackness of your screen. After making a fresh pitcher of sweet tea, and throwing a pizza in the oven, I came back to a still black screen. WTHOver!!! I don't know what the purpose of the HTE is supposed to be. Speaker calibration, or basic HT knowledge?

Anyway, that's my wasted 1.5 hours of life I can't get back. I sure hope my other Disney movies don't behave like this POC did. YMMV. HVY.
post #668 of 1051
I saw the language and the dog on the UP disc, then the black screen afterwards. I didn't keep it on there as long as you did.
post #669 of 1051
You might try pushing the [TITLE] button and see if that works. If not, try the [Disc Menu] button.

Well, it looks as if I may not watch the movie after all. Went to start movie, pressed enter of Play Movie, screen when black....5 minutes later, 1. newsreel box, it looks as if I'm in the scene select area, but I hit the start Movie heading. This !$%~#$#$ Sux. IDK, maybe my thumbdrive is too small and FUBARING up the movie?? I can jump chapter, but no full screen pictures. I have a 2gb thumbdrive, how big should I upgrade to (just for this @#$$!$^@%@ movie )
post #670 of 1051
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Originally Posted by HVYCHVY View Post

You might try pushing the [TITLE] button and see if that works. If not, try the [Disc Menu] button.

Well, it looks as if I may not watch the movie after all. Went to start movie, pressed enter of Play Movie, screen when black....5 minutes later, 1. newsreel box, it looks as if I'm in the scene select area, but I hit the start Movie heading. This !$%~#$#$ Sux. IDK, maybe my thumbdrive is too small and FUBARING up the movie?? I can jump chapter, but no full screen pictures. I have a 2gb thumbdrive, how big should I upgrade to (just for this @#$$!$^@%@ movie )

BD-Live only requires 1GB of memory. You have double what is required. Whether you have 1GB, 2GB or 8GB won't make any difference.
post #671 of 1051
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Originally Posted by dlature View Post

How does one go back? There are no earlier versions of firmware on LG's site for the BH200? I updated via Network.

I keep all versions of the firmware on my hard drive and then if I need to change versions (which is very seldom) then I can switch to a different version and I'm all set.

For EVERY single movie that I have tried the April 08 firmware has played it without issue, however that firmware does not support BD live, so if want to use some of the BD featurettes then I switch to July 09 and then switch back afterward.

The April 08 firmware is my favourite so I leave it on my players (all 3) most of the time. It lets me play my BD-DVD's that I make and I have several hundred of those. These only play on the April 08 and July 09 firmware. It is a feature that was removed for a while due to licensing issues.

The older firmwares are posted on this site (in the firmware and help sections I believe), but if you can't find them then let me know and I'll upload them again once I get a chance.
post #672 of 1051
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Originally Posted by 2shave View Post

The April 08 firmware is my favourite so I leave it on my players (all 3) most of the time. It lets me play my BD-DVD's that I make and I have several hundred of those. These only play on the April 08 and July 09 firmware. It is a feature that was removed for a while due to licensing issues.

Does the July 09 firmware allow BD-R discs to play, or does the BH200 display "data disc" and stop there?
post #673 of 1051
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Originally Posted by spong View Post

Does the July 09 firmware allow BD-R discs to play, or does the BH200 display "data disc" and stop there?

Only the April 2008 allows BD-R play. None of firmware since then allows it.
post #674 of 1051
I can play Up on my player (April 09 firmware I think) but I cannot play the special features disc. It gives me the "disc error" error. I'm glad I can see the movie and commentary but I'm pissed I can't see the special features dics
post #675 of 1051
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Originally Posted by al0137 View Post

@susanandmark: Don't worry, I'll be "that guy".

Wow. It is my belief that Samsungmaster...

@al0137...

Wow. It must hurt stuffing your foot in your mouth that much... Your assumptions and beliefs about samsungmaster are laughable, and your rant shows just how little you've been involved here (as if your single digit post count didn't make that obvious). I understand frustration with LG. I really do. Aiming venom at samsungmaster is severely misplaced though.

On a consistent basis, samsungmaster has provided this community accurate information and exemplary support. We'd be nowhere without samsungmaster.

As I've done before, let me say "Thanks!" to samsungmaster. Your efforts truly are appreciated, even if some newbies are completely clueless.
post #676 of 1051
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Originally Posted by oilblue View Post

@al0137...

Wow. It must hurt stuffing your foot in your mouth that much... Your assumptions and beliefs about samsungmaster are laughable, and your rant shows just how little you've been involved here (as if your single digit post count didn't make that obvious). I understand frustration with LG. I really do. Aiming venom at samsungmaster is severely misplaced though.

On a consistent basis, samsungmaster has provided this community accurate information and exemplary support. We'd be nowhere without samsungmaster.

As I've done before, let me say "Thanks!" to samsungmaster. Your efforts truly are appreciated, even if some newbies are completely clueless.



Thank you for responding to that BS .. SSM has been clutch around here. I've been here reading about this player (and using it) since day 1 and no one has been as helpful and accurate in their info as SSM.
post #677 of 1051
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Originally Posted by susanandmark View Post

I thought the same thing but didn't want to sound churlish. It IS bad firmware when it breaks discs. Period. And, sorry, even if LG outsources firmware creation it's still LG's problem and responsibility (and their name on the product) to get it fixed and get it fixed promptly, something they've failed to do, repeatedly, in a reasonable time. (And something, it seems to be worth mentioning, other Blu-Ray manufacturers seem to do easily). Last time we were dealing with the BH200 and non-working discs (Casino Royale and Madagascar, to name two) it took LG more than a year, from each release, to put out a fix. Simply unacceptable.

We have a cheap-o Panasonic Blu-Ray player in the bedroom and it has never, not once, failed to play a Blu-Ray or SD disc, even those the BH200 balks at. I've updated it a grand total of one time (when we first got it). Not a single friend who has a Blu-Ray can relate to the non-playing disc experience. Other players just work. A problem made even more frustrating when I think what I paid for my TWO BH200s and its predecessor (now basically useless and hence on a shelf) the BH100. I made a SIGNIFICANT investment in these players (well North of $2,000), and HD DVD discs, and NEED it to work.

Well said, I DON'T care who is doing the FW updates, just like LG DOESN'T CARE where I get the $ to buy their a/kldsh' vjkldfjbhr'iohj , it is THEIR problem and THEIR fault that these problems persist, NOONE elses, this is THEIR product, THEIR responsibility!!

I have to pull a Rabbit outta my k;asjch;j at least twice a month because even though a problem is NOT MY FAULT, I AM RESPONSIBLE to get it fixed!!
Guess what?
I work late/weekends, late night on the weekends to GET IT FIXED!!
Then I go to the doctor and have them stitch me up

Excuses are for the weak, and I am sick and tired of giving MY HARD EARNED to WEAKAS.jkasdvbkdsjb companies that don't give a sh$*()&{& about me after they take my $!!

I appreciate the Info from SSM, but that doesn't fix the problems......I wish it did.
post #678 of 1051
I've had a BH200 since March - I found it in the clearance rack at a local Best Buy for $150. I love that I got to keep my HD-DVD collection while being able to enjoy Blu-ray now too. I have had no problems with this player until UP! came out.

I hit all the problems listed above with black screens, moving counters, Dug flashing on the screen for a few moments at the 5 minute mark, but ultimately not being able to watch the movie. I think I updated my firmware back in August, which now looks like a mistake. I really couldn't care less about BD-Live, I would just like to be able to watch the B-r movies I spend a lot of money on. That being said, can someone tell me if it's possible to downgrade to the APRIL Firmware update so I can play UP! for my 8 yr old daughter? And if so, in as basic as possible, easy to follow instructions, how I would go about accomplishing that?

Thanks!

EDIT: I found the directions to upgrade (downgrade?) in another thread on this site. Going to try to downgrade to BH02090304A and see if that works.

EDIT2: The downgrade worked perfectly, and couldn't have been easier. UP! is playing in glorious 1080p right now.
post #679 of 1051
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Originally Posted by halfsane View Post

Thank you for responding to that BS .. SSM has been clutch around here. I've been here reading about this player (and using it) since day 1 and no one has been as helpful and accurate in their info as SSM.

My thoughts as well. While I don't post often, I check the BH200 threads on a regular basis. SSM has done a great job keeping us informed. Keep up the good work, SSM!!
post #680 of 1051
I was reading through the manual today and noticed I didn't have BD Storage, just HD DVD Storage under the Option tab. The only thing I have done to the machine is the region free hack...going back to default, the BD Storage still doesn't show. Could that be why UP says I have not enough memory?
post #681 of 1051
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Originally Posted by oilblue View Post

@al0137...

Wow. It must hurt stuffing your foot in your mouth that much... Your assumptions and beliefs about samsungmaster are laughable, and your rant shows just how little you've been involved here (as if your single digit post count didn't make that obvious). I understand frustration with LG. I really do. Aiming venom at samsungmaster is severely misplaced though.

On a consistent basis, samsungmaster has provided this community accurate information and exemplary support. We'd be nowhere without samsungmaster.

As I've done before, let me say "Thanks!" to samsungmaster. Your efforts truly are appreciated, even if some newbies are completely clueless.

Well Well.. I guess since I don't have a '276' count or whatever it is, then I'm not qualified to state the obvious concerning the history of this machine and how LG has handled supporting it.

I actually was not personally attacking Samsungmaster but did want to point out that if you put yourself in the line of fire, then you are probably going to catch a bullet. I believe he did this by stating that the current problems with the BD-Live Firmware are not LG's problem but an issue with a third-party contractor who built the firmware. I believe this comment is the true 'BS' Halfsane speaks of.

I've also followed these threads long enough to know the deal (since I bought the BH-200 in August of '08). Everyone practically kisses SM's ass anytime he makes a post. But it doesn't do anything.. he doesn't even work in that division. I honestly think he's an interloper that happens to do contract work with LG. From the total post count on these BH-200 threads, it apparently obvious that he hasn't really assisted in getting this machine to any better place of functionality. If anything, the machine is more broken than ever before. Don't be a tool to LG's company line - it's very obvious they don't care one iota about this player. SM is not "keeping it alive". Give me a break here people. Wake up.

So, whatever.. call me a "noob" if you wish. I don't think my complaints are going to get this machine fixed any faster (and I hope people here don't really expect this machine to ever be fixed, IMO). But I am tired of having to come back to AVS to check and see if that new Blu Ray I plan on buying will play on X-Firmware I have installed on the player. I have been very patient and foolishly thought that this player would eventually be "repaired" but it's obvious LG has moved on when they are passing the buck to the devs/company who they contracted the work out too. Nice way not to take any responsibility for your product.

I'm just here to say to stop listening to SM - he's a nobody. Flame away.
post #682 of 1051
I agree with much of what you're verbalizing , Al. Between the Pioneer incompatibilities (due to handshaking failures primarily), the broken HDMI-CEC implementation and the host of disc problems that have crept up with Disney/Echo Bridge titles in the latest firmware, I'd say the chickens have come home to roost.

Pass on playing the game of musical firmwares...
post #683 of 1051
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Originally Posted by susanandmark View Post

This is an LG issue, NOT a Disney issue. The same Disney titles play fine on every other Blu-Ray player out there (no widespread reports of trouble or even other reports on AVS Forum for other players) and will even play on the BH200 (reportedly) with older firmware. This is LG's fault for releasing BAD firmware and refusing to fix it after five months!

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Originally Posted by samsungmaster View Post

I wouldn't call it bad firmware, the firmware came before the new Disney movies were released. Disney made a change with the Java code that the BH200 is having a problem with. Firmware is coming but there is a delay. I cannot discuss why but the issue is with the maker of a certain IC on the BH200.

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Originally Posted by samsungmaster View Post

I don't think you read my post correctly. LG is not responsible for the s/w fix, a third party is. That is where the delay is.

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Originally Posted by al0137 View Post

The fact is that its an LG player and the buck stops there. I honestly do not care who the third-party is that was contracted to do the firmware work on the BH-200 (that's beside the point). What is important is that issues are fixed and addressed in a timely fashion and when they are, the new firmware is tested appropriately. Yes.. all this costs money but like I said: you want to play the HD stand-alone player game then you have to fully support the product (i.e. the Blu-Ray spec.. HD-DVD's spec was already set..).

A review of samsungmaster's posts shows that LG is not subcontracting out FW revision work, rather it is a case of the firmware used to control a third-party supplied IC requires updating, said firmware is supplied and controlled by that third party, and as is typical in the CE industry, LG can do nothing about it other than pressure that third-party supplier. LG does not own that FW source code, and probably cannot legally modify it.

So while I feel your frustration, please understand that CE equipment is a top-level assembly of many sub-assemblies and components, many of which are supplied by third parties (i.e. parts suppliers). And since the number of BH200s sold has to be far less than any other current LG player, and since the IC and FW design from that third party is now "legacy" equipment (it's been more than 6 months since release!), getting these issues made a priority are problematic.

Perhaps LG has learned the lesson to not use that particular IC supplier, perhaps these types of issues will become LG's legacy as they stick with that supplier, and consumers will simply stop buying their products after two or more generations of poor support.

I doubt SSM can comment on the specifics of this case, and whether LG has switched suppliers (which may not result in better support).

IMHO,

shinksma
post #684 of 1051
+1 on the BH02090304A rollback. I'd rather UP than BD-Live. Sadly, I did get half a dozen audio dropouts, but at least it plays

(And for the 100th time consulting AVSForum has prevented me from throwing a piece of electronic gear out the window. Thanks all.)
post #685 of 1051
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Originally Posted by captdusty View Post

+1 on the BH02090304A rollback. I'd rather UP than BD-Live. Sadly, I did get half a dozen audio dropouts, but at least it plays

(And for the 100th time consulting AVSForum has prevented me from throwing a piece of electronic gear out the window. Thanks all.)

WooHoo, it works!!!
post #686 of 1051
And the weirdness continues. I was able to play the extras on Disc 2 a couple hours after rolling back the f/w. The next day the same disc and same f/w gave the the "Disc Error" warning and wouldn't play. Ugghhh.
post #687 of 1051
Mongol Blu-Ray will not play on my BH200. ejects with Disk Error. Replacement disk did the same thing. Anyone else have this problem? My firmware is the May one.
post #688 of 1051
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Originally Posted by Helen B View Post

Mongol Blu-Ray will not play on my BH200. ejects with Disk Error. Replacement disk did the same thing. Anyone else have this problem? My firmware is the May one.

Works fine on mine. I am not using the Bd Live firmware.
post #689 of 1051
You can download the March firmware here (for Disney compatibility, etc):
http://rs713.rapidshare.com/files/22..._03-04-09_.zip
post #690 of 1051
Anyone try Star Trek yet? I don't like it when I have to wait for other people to "take the plunge" so I'll be sure that a particular Blu-ray works
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