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post #901 of 1072
i had some issues with bluescreen with superblu logo and blackscreen never ending at all.

but all i had to do was use the correct Regional settings? Can it be that some of you are using regional protected BD's? and that using a correct region code will solve the issue..
I know some discs pop up with a screen saying non-compatible player for this region, but it seems some disc's does not, as example: Lost Season5 European edition.

so maybe just try changing regional setting, if the disc wont load..
post #902 of 1072
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

So, you're saying customers who spent as much as possibly $900 for this should just take one for the team (and LG)?

Anybody is free to research this player before purchasing it.

Huh? What does selling off the player have to do with "taking one" for anybody? Who is this "team" you're talking about? Regardless, I doubt neither the "team" nor LG care at this point what you do with your player.

No, I'm saying what you're saying, people should've done more research or waited longer to see how others faired first. It is their own fault for jumping the gun and being too eager. These people that whine and complain about LG have no leg to stand on if they turn around and try and sell the BH200 for more than $30.

"I paid $900 for this player and it doesn't work! I got screwed by LG so I'm gonna try and screw someone else now by selling it to him for $300." This is morally and ethically wrong. What you should do is realize that you just learned a very expensive lesson when it comes to leading edge technology/electronics: wait it out or accept the risks.

Of course this is all assuming that the BH200 is as bad as everyone makes it out to be, which is clearly not the case since they sell used for considerably more than $30. All the baby crying is coming from people who are ignorant, have unrealistic expectations, or both.
post #903 of 1072
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Originally Posted by avjunkee View Post

Huh? What does selling off the player have to do with "taking one" for anybody? Who is this "team" you're talking about? Regardless, I doubt neither the "team" nor LG care at this point what you do with your player.

No, I'm saying what you're saying, people should've done more research or waited longer to see how others faired first. It is their own fault for jumping the gun and being too eager. These people that whine and complain about LG have no leg to stand on if they turn around and try and sell the BH200 for more than $30.

"I paid $900 for this player and it doesn't work! I got screwed by LG so I'm gonna try and screw someone else now by selling it to him for $300." This is morally and ethically wrong. What you should do is realize that you just learned a very expensive lesson when it comes to leading edge technology/electronics: wait it out or accept the risks.

Of course this is all assuming that the BH200 is as bad as everyone makes it out to be, which is clearly not the case since they sell used for considerably more than $30. All the baby crying is coming from people who are ignorant, have unrealistic expectations, or both.

Taking one for the team is figurative speech of course and refers to LG more or less. The player is not perfect and contains some bugs but that should by no means make anyone feel guilt for selling it as is. It is buggier in some configurations than others (and in others, it behaves perfectly), so it's just another case of YMMV.
post #904 of 1072
My Bh200 And Bh100 worked great with only the typical Movie issues that now work great with Samsungmasters latest updates. I bought the BH100 the day it came out and have loved it since and still do. And I actually like the picture on the BH200 over my Oppo BD83.

I still say these LG players are probably the best players Ever made. I know others have their own opinion so i am giving mine.

Athanasios
post #905 of 1072
Anyone play Avatar on the BH200 yet? Apparently there is some new version of DRM and BD Live on the release and some older players are having issues with it.
post #906 of 1072
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Originally Posted by avjunkee View Post

If this player is so bad then you should be giving it away for free, or maybe $30 as a good DVD player. PM me and I'll take it off your hands right away.

What sickens me though is people crapping on this player and then turn around and try and sell it for hundreds of dollars. They're hypocritical and should be ashamed for trying to fleece a fellow human being. These people would be no better than LG in this case, selling something that doesn't work.

But you're saying you think this is a great player and you'd be happy to buy it from someone. You feel like it's worth a lot more than you're trying to tell people to sell it for, so who is trying to "fleece" who in that scenario?

Anyone who buys a used BH200 at this point is a tech insider and has probably read/heard a lot, good and bad, about the player. It's a very specific, very niche market. What something sells for is it's value. If you don't think the player has that value, don't pay whatever amount for it.

By the way OP, "sickens" you? Really?! Hyperbolic much?

And, by the way, I'm not terribly happy with either of my BH200s, but I'm not selling them either. I'll use them until they die (we still have some HD DVDs) and then buy another, non-LG Blu-Ray only player.
post #907 of 1072
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Originally Posted by SKoprowski View Post

Anyone play Avatar on the BH200 yet? Apparently there is some new version of DRM and BD Live on the release and some older players are having issues with it.

I just read that Avatar requires new firmware updates because it uses the latest BD+ copy protection. Therefore I do not buy Avatar. I had enough trouble already with the Disney Blu-ray issues.
post #908 of 1072
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Originally Posted by stardustone View Post

i just read that requires new firmware updates because it uses the latest bd+. Therefore i do not buy avatar. I had enough already with the disney blu-ray issues.

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
post #909 of 1072
Avatar is a must-have for me. And since it likely won't play on the BH200, I'll probably spring and get a stand-alone player in the near future. The PS3 is out (don't like Sony); anyone know of an affordable AND reliable BD player?
post #910 of 1072
Is Avatar the only new release from Fox that has this new DRM? I watched Crazy Heart and it played with no problem.
post #911 of 1072
Post in BH100 known disk issue.

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Originally Posted by samsungmaster View Post

Here is a list of titles that the s/w address but I do know it fixes more than what is listed.

Public Enemies
Akira
Doubt
Earth
Miracle at St Anna
Pinocchio
Friday the 13th
Avatar

So, the BH100 may have the update with the last FW update. Would it be safe to say the BH200 may have it alsot?
post #912 of 1072
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Originally Posted by nashou66 View Post

My Bh200 And Bh100 worked great with only the typical Movie issues that now work great with Samsungmasters latest updates. I bought the BH100 the day it came out and have loved it since and still do. And I actually like the picture on the BH200 over my Oppo BD83.

I still say these LG players are probably the best players Ever made. I know others have their own opinion so i am giving mine.

Athanasios

You also like the PQ of your LG over the Samsung so I think you have an inherent bias (confirmed after your BDP-83 admission). The BH100 is a far from fantastic player, IMO, with the scarcity of updates and the lack of HDi, not to mention the lacking BD features.
post #913 of 1072
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

Avatar is a must-have for me. And since it likely won't play on the BH200, I'll probably spring and get a stand-alone player in the near future. The PS3 is out (don't like Sony); anyone know of an affordable AND reliable BD player?

If Avatar is that important to you, you might as well wait for the inevitable extended edition.
post #914 of 1072
It's already been announced...November. I'm gonna wait to pick up that one.

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Originally Posted by Actionable Mango View Post

If Avatar is that important to you, you might as well wait for the inevitable extended edition.
post #915 of 1072
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Originally Posted by stpat View Post

It's already been announced...November. I'm gonna wait to pick up that one.

Will the extended edition be OAR? I had hoped to buy it at Fry's for $20 but cringed when I read that it would be "open matte" full screen.

I thought Warner and Disney were kings of the double dip. I guess Fox (and Universal) wanted in.
post #916 of 1072
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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

Will the extended edition be OAR? I had hoped to buy it at Fry's for $20 but cringed when I read that it would be "open matte" full screen.

Open matte is the OAR. In this case the 2.35:1 presentation was just a matted version of the 16:9 master.
post #917 of 1072
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Originally Posted by susanandmark View Post

But you're saying you think this is a great player and you'd be happy to buy it from someone. You feel like it's worth a lot more than you're trying to tell people to sell it for, so who is trying to "fleece" who in that scenario?

I was being sarcastic (about the $30) to illustrate my point that the bh200 is not as bad a player as some like to cry about cuz I know nobody will sell it for that price, even though they claim it's garbage.

BTW, if I see a sale on anything for $30 I'm not gonna give them $200 just because I feel like I'd be fleecing them, would you do that? If you do then you are a better person than me. I'm not the one who set the price afterall. I would be fleecing them though if I tried to argue/bargain them down to $30 knowing full well it's worth $200, so there is a difference.


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By the way OP, "sickens" you? Really?! Hyperbolic much?

Never in a million years, it sickens me when others do it.


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And, by the way, I'm not terribly happy with either of my BH200s, but I'm not selling them either. I'll use them until they die (we still have some HD DVDs) and then buy another, non-LG Blu-Ray only player.

I think many people have been turned off of future LG products because of all this, which I have no problem with. That's the only way they gonna get the message.
post #918 of 1072
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Originally Posted by avjunkee View Post

BTW, if I see a sale on anything for $30 I'm not gonna give them $200 just because I feel like I'd be fleecing them, would you do that? If you do then you are a better person than me. I'm not the one who set the price afterall. I would be fleecing them though if I tried to argue/bargain them down to $30 knowing full well it's worth $200, so there is a difference.

Yeah, but just because it's not worth it to you--why someone would be selling something in the first place--doesn't mean it doesn't have value to someone else. That's what I mean by the product setting the value. I might find a house ugly and over-priced, while someone else thinks it's a beautiful bargain. You're talking perception, not fraud.

If someone wants to sell their working, in good condition BH200, which they're unhappy with, for $200, or $500, or $30, and someone on the other end wants to buy it for that amount, whatever it may be, no one is getting "fleeced" or doing any "fleecing."

It's a DVD player, not a lifestyle choice.
post #919 of 1072
I'm in full agreement with Susan's assessment of the used market selling situation.
post #920 of 1072
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Originally Posted by susanandmark View Post

Yeah, but just because it's not worth it to you--why someone would be selling something in the first place--doesn't mean it doesn't have value to someone else. That's what I mean by the product setting the value. I might find a house ugly and over-priced, while someone else thinks it's a beautiful bargain. You're talking perception, not fraud.

If someone wants to sell their working, in good condition BH200, which they're unhappy with, for $200, or $500, or $30, and someone on the other end wants to buy it for that amount, whatever it may be, no one is getting "fleeced" or doing any "fleecing."

It's a DVD player, not a lifestyle choice.

Exactly, which is why it is pointless to complain about how much anyone paid for the BH200 to begin with. Like you said, LG didn't fleece anybody; LG did nothing wrong by charging $900 or whatever if people were willing to pay it, so stop whining and shutup already. It's just a DVD player for crying out loud.
post #921 of 1072
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Originally Posted by avjunkee View Post

Exactly, which is why it is pointless to complain about how much anyone paid for the BH200 to begin with. Like you said, LG didn't fleece anybody; LG did nothing wrong by charging $900 or whatever if people were willing to pay it, so stop whining and shutup already. It's just a DVD player for crying out loud.

When talking about a company offering service and support for a high-end product. I think it's fair to point out the price, which was much, much higher than standalone HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players of the time.

I never said they fleeced us. I HAVE argued that taking nine months ON AVERAGE to fix non-playing disc issues is ridiculous and a slap in the face to customers who paid good money (and a lot of it) for these players.

Realistically, cost is a factor when you're taking into account aggravation and anger. Sure, a $30 DVD player SHOULD play DVDs—that's what it's made to do—but very few people, if anyone, is going to waste their time and energy complaining when it breaks. It's easier to just go out and buy another very inexpensive player. That's another example of a cost-value perception. For me, the cost of the BH200 (and BH100) has been nowhere near the value it has delivered. If I'd originally paid $150 or $200 per player, I might very well feel differently. Therefore, mentioning the original cost is highly relevant.

Oh and, in my example of resale value, customers would already be able to find out about LG's dismal support for the player ... Something I had no idea when I paid $800 and $600 (or thereabouts) for my two players, new. (Ditto for my $1,000, totally unusable BH100.)

Just like the people who re-sold their HD-DVD players the day after HD-DVD production stopped weren't doing anything wrong. The people who bought them knew HD-DVD was a dead format and the sellers, who no longer saw value in the players they'd purchased were just trying to recoup some of their cash outlay. The original owners, on the other hand, had purchased new players say, a week, a month or a day before that without the information their units would soon be useless (at least for new content).

LG also, unlike somebody selling a BH200 on Craig's List, is a multinational company that makes products across the consumer spectrum and, theoretically, would like customers who buy one of those products to be happy and return to purchase additional, future LG products. The way they are handling this player is not conducive to that, at least not for me.

Oh and, if people complaining about this player bother you so much (which is certainly a fair and valid opinion) might I suggest not reading a thread with the title "known issues"? It's not really a surprise the content of such a thread will not contain happy "no problems here, I love it" conversation.
post #922 of 1072
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Originally Posted by susanandmark View Post

I never said they fleeced us.

I know, go back and read again: "Like you said, LG didn't fleece anybody." Seems pretty clear that I am agreeing with you.


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I HAVE argued that taking nine months ON AVERAGE to fix non-playing disc issues is ridiculous and a slap in the face to customers who paid good money (and a lot of it) for these players.

For sure, regardless of what people paid originally.


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For me, the cost of the BH200 (and BH100) has been nowhere near the value it has delivered.

Yeah, but just because it's not worth it to you, doesn't mean it doesn't have value to someone else.


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Oh and, in my example of resale value, customers would already be able to find out about LG's dismal support for the player ... Something I had no idea when I paid $800 and $600 (or thereabouts) for my two players, new. (Ditto for my $1,000, totally unusable BH100.)

Then you shoulda waited, lesson learned.


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Just like the people who re-sold their HD-DVD players the day after HD-DVD production stopped weren't doing anything wrong. The people who bought them knew HD-DVD was a dead format and the sellers, who no longer saw value in the players they'd purchased were just trying to recoup some of their cash outlay. The original owners, on the other hand, had purchased new players say, a week, a month or a day before that without the information their units would soon be useless (at least for new content).

Like you said, nobody did anything wrong. The only mistake people made was entering a format war (or dead format) without educating themselves about the risks / consequences first.
post #923 of 1072
Anyone try Avatar? I have my copy but can't try it in the BH200 until I get home. I will report if no one else has by then...


Back to the "squabble"...
post #924 of 1072
Tried Avatar earlier today and it played fine in my BH200. Only watched about the first 45 minutes, but the disc didn't show any problems I could detect.
post #925 of 1072
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Originally Posted by avjunkee View Post

...Then you shoulda waited, lesson learned. ... Like you said, nobody did anything wrong. The only mistake people made was entering a format war (or dead format) without educating themselves about the risks / consequences first.

Well, one could argue that by buying a DUAL FORMAT player, people were trying to protect themselves from the format war. I know I thought I was. I'm not complaining about non-working HD DVDs, but the other formats (DVD and Blu-Ray) which are in ongoing production should still be maintained and serviced.

I would also strongly argue that companies have a lot invested in people NOT listening to your first statement, even if it might be good advice. They don't want people to wait to buy ... If that starts happening in droves they're in big trouble. They count on the early adopters to shift and create markets.
post #926 of 1072
Not picking sides, but is there any chance we could start a thread with all the debating so that we can stay on topic here? It really seems like the important pieces of information are being missed because of this back and forth, just like what has happened in the firmware update thread...

The big one here is Demise's post just above states that Avatar was working on the BH200.

Thank you.
post #927 of 1072
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Originally Posted by Demise View Post

Tried Avatar earlier today and it played fine in my BH200. Only watched about the first 45 minutes, but the disc didn't show any problems I could detect.

Yeah, my copy is out for delivery with UPS.

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Originally Posted by joeags View Post

Not picking sides, but is there any chance we could start a thread with all the debating so that we can stay on topic here? It really seems like the important pieces of information are being missed because of this back and forth, just like what has happened in the firmware update thread...

The big one here is Demise's post just above states that Avatar was working on the BH200.

Thank you.

Couldn't agree more, I thought the thread title was "Known Disc Issues".
post #928 of 1072
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Originally Posted by Demise View Post

Tried Avatar earlier today and it played fine in my BH200. Only watched about the first 45 minutes, but the disc didn't show any problems I could detect.

Thanks for the report. The Avatar Blu-ray plays fine on my BH200 also.
post #929 of 1072
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Originally Posted by RobertF View Post

Thanks for the report. The Avatar Blu-ray plays fine on my BH200 also.

+1

Looks like Fox did a good job of making sure this new BD+ update was compatible (since people are reporting it plays on older firmware also).
post #930 of 1072
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Originally Posted by RobertF View Post

Thanks for the report. The Avatar Blu-ray plays fine on my BH200 also.

Great- guess I'll be buying Avatar today.
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