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New walkthrough up at Gametrailers. Watch it then converse. May wanna watch it before reading any further as I'm about to talk about that big surprise.





Done? Good, now here's what I wanna know. When the Flood showed up in Halo:CE no one knew who they were or where they came from, not even the Covenant. In Halo 2 it remained pretty clear that no one in the human race knew about the Flood prior to first contact on the Halo ring. So here's what I wanna know: how is it in Halo Wars, a game that takes place 20 years before Halo:CE, both mankind and The Covenant are fighting The Flood? My friend speculated maybe it's only The Covenant who will be fighting The Flood but it's been stated many times in the past that you only play the humans in Halo Wars and the dude in this walkthrough mentions you (meaning the player, meaning the humans) will be fighting The Flood. That also wouldn't explain why The Covenant were equally surprised to find The Flood on Halo. There's also the possibility that the Flood just murder everyone, Covenant and human alike, in Halo Wars and word never gets out. But how is it an entire human colony and every human and Covenant on that planet could be completely obliterated without either race ever figuring that out in that 20 year span.

More over weren't The Flood entirely contained on the Halo rings? How the hell is it 20 years before the discovery of the Halo rings (bear in mind Halo:CE was the first discovery of the rings for both races) the Flood are running rampant in human controlled space?

Argh, I'm gonna lose sleep trying to figure this one out.

On a separate note, game looks great. Not Starcraft 2 great, but I'd say Red Alert 3 great.
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When the Flood showed up in Halo:CE no one knew who they were or where they came from, not even the Covenant.

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That also wouldn't explain why The Covenant were equally surprised to find The Flood on Halo.

Have you read any of the novels. Your assuming based off the game the Covenant didn't know about the flood. The flood is on all the rings which the Covenant worhsipped the rings themselves long before the humans in the first game discovered it.

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(bear in mind Halo:CE was the first discovery of the rings for both races)

Again no it wasn't. Just the humans discovered them for the first time.

The rings were built by the Forerunners because of the flood to "cleanse the galaxy of them"
Instead it kill not only the flood but all life including the Forerunners. You need to read the history about the Covenant.
post #3 of 16
The books to give a lot about the back story. The chronology of the books are as follows:

Contact harvest (though this is the latest book, it is essentially a 'prequil' to Halo Wars as it is the story about Sargent Johnston and the planet Harvest, and 'first contact' with the covenent. Halo Wars seems to be about The UNC trying to take back Harvest and its story.

Fall of Reach = story of how the Spartan program started
The Flood = Halo CE
First Strike = between Halo CE and Halo 2
Ghost of the Onyx (my favorate) = parallel story of 'remaining' Spartans during the Halo 2--> Halo 3 time frame (without giving any spoilers, an ending that still has not been finished = more Halo stories for sure)

Cole Protocol = comming out in a couple of weeks = story of the 'grey' team (another Spartan Team) = in a deep space mission at and around the time of Fall of Reach

I agree that they are going to have to tie in the story carefully, as the covenant know about the flood, and have been trying to somehow 'control' the situation whilst trying to control the rings as well. As far as we know, Halo CE (the flood) is the 1st time we (humans) are supposed to know about the flood (or maybe the ONI knew about this and did not tell the UNC), but at the same time, maybe the Covenant are the only poeple that fight the flood in HaloWars. It will be interesting to see the story unfold in Halo Wars. I personnaly like RTS games, but I am particularly interested in Halo Wars for the Story.
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Cole Protocol = comming out in a couple of weeks = story of the 'grey' team (another Spartan Team) = in a deep space mission at and around the time of Fall of Reach

Just pre-ordered from Amazon. Thanks for the heads up. I am deployed and I am finishing up Contact Harvest now.
post #5 of 16
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Ok I have read the books, it's been awhile though so I must have forgotten the Covenant had previous knowledge of the Flood. My mistake guys sorry, guess it's time to go back through the books. That being said it still doesn't explain that humans were apparently fighting the Flood 20 years before the events of Halo:CE. The idea here wasn't so much to say "ZOMG THEY IS BREAKING CANON O NOES!!!" I more wanted to start some speculation on how you guys think they're gonna explain all this. That and I figured at the very least everyone would wanna see that walkthrough.

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I agree that they are going to have to tie in the story carefully, as the covenant know about the flood, and have been trying to somehow 'control' the situation whilst trying to control the rings as well. As far as we know, Halo CE (the flood) is the 1st time we (humans) are supposed to know about the flood (or maybe the ONI knew about this and did not tell the UNC), but at the same time, maybe the Covenant are the only poeple that fight the flood in HaloWars. It will be interesting to see the story unfold in Halo Wars. I personnaly like RTS games, but I am particularly interested in Halo Wars for the Story.

As I said though, Ensemble has verified you only play the humans in Halo Wars campaign and it would appear you do fight the Flood in the story. So it would appear the humans will be fighting the Flood.
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Bungie hired George Lucas to write
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Bungie hired George Lucas to write

Not funny, not in the least, you're a bad person for suggesting such a thing.
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Ok I have read the books, it's been awhile though so I must have forgotten the Covenant had previous knowledge of the Flood. My mistake guys sorry, guess it's time to go back through the books. That being said it still doesn't explain that humans were apparently fighting the Flood 20 years before the events of Halo:CE. The idea here wasn't so much to say "ZOMG THEY IS BREAKING CANON O NOES!!!" I more wanted to start some speculation on how you guys think they're gonna explain all this. That and I figured at the very least everyone would wanna see that walkthrough.


Well if the humans truly do not know about the Flood at the time of Halo:CE it does suggest that the ending of Halo Wars for the humans might be an unhappy one.
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Not funny, not in the least, you're a bad person for suggesting such a thing.

I know but sometimes I just can't contain the evil
post #10 of 16
oh man i want this.

im such a halo whore.


if only i could wear my *limited* edition helmet whilst playing said game
post #11 of 16
This is why we need a good trilogy in theaters to explain all of this.
post #12 of 16
Interface looks like it will actually WORK on a console. Nice.

This definitely will redefine Halo canon, potentially. I don't think we know if the Covenant knew about the Flood (or 'the infection' as the unnamed Arbiter in the HW trailer refers to them), but I don't think it would violate canon much if they did. The rebels in Halo 2 that the Arbiter is sent to assassinate stumbled onto the Flood, presumably prior to the Arbiter's arrival.

A more likely theory will be that

A) the Covenant, or specifically the Prophets, keep this information from the populace and military at large. They may know of the Flood (in fact, it's almost certain they do) but specifically control that information. Given the Great Schism that occurs when the Elites find out the truth about the Halos, this is likely.

B) Arbiters are only created for Suicide Missions. That doesn't speak well for the Covenant's task.

C) Everyone aboard the Spirit of Fire who discovers the Flood will die

D) The earth forces don't get enough of a chance to identify the Flood before the battle is over.

E) The earth government (in particular, the ONI) suppresses all knowledge of The Flood as Top Secret...and after the Fall of Reach, few of the soldiers who even might have known about it are even still alive.

F) The survivors of Harvest's campaign with the Spirit of Fire may have their minds wiped by the Forerunner artifacts found within.

Personally, I'd favor A and E. The discovery of the Flood may have been the straw that breaks the camel's back for creating the Spartan-II program, for all we know.
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I don't think we know if the Covenant knew about the Flood

We do already know. If you had read the books then you would know. Your basing this on the games when the books are also officially part of the Halo universe.

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Personally, I'd favor A and E. The discovery of the Flood may have been the straw that breaks the camel's back for creating the Spartan-II program, for all we know.

LOL again read the first book that already explains the Spartan I and II program.
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Bungie hired George Lucas to write

lol
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LOL again read the first book that already explains the Spartan I and II program.

The Fall of Reach is the only book that really mentions the Spartan I program's origins, describing it as a failure due to the high mortality rates. Ghosts of Onyx is the only one that discusses the Spartan-III program, afaik.

I got the timelines confused, though. There's no way the Spartan-II program could be influenced by the discovery of the flood in Halo Wars, since it was already underway prior to first contact with the Covenant. Of course, this game also features guys identifying themselves as Spartan Group Omega, which doesn't really fit the canon quite right, either, since the Spartan-I group didn't actually have power-armor.

We're probably thinking too hard about it.
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Of course, this game also features guys identifying themselves as Spartan Group Omega, which doesn't really fit the canon quite right, either, since the Spartan-I group didn't actually have power-armor.

Right, because the Spartans in Halo wars are Spartan IIs. Spartan Group Omega is just the designation that particular group has been designated for this mission. As far as I know at least.
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