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post #811 of 1190
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Originally Posted by fandor View Post

Sorry I posted too quick : I meant MP4 issue with PS3 was the meaning of my sentence

Thanks for clarifying.

No, not yet. I've definitely seen the issue but I haven't begun to address it yet. The good news is the the original .m2ts recordings continue to play well, so it's not a complete loss.

v2.5.0 is targeting the IR, 5.1 passthrough and PPC issues that people have reported, as well as trying to make better sense of some smaller bugs. I still have a PPC issue that effects Conversion that I've been trying to nail for the last few days.

MP4 on PS3 is next after this.

- Steve
post #812 of 1190
I have downloaded the demo of HDPVRCAPTURE and recorded the 2 minute movie, also, postprocessed to mp4.

I need to cut out commercials (not from the 2 minute of course, but it's just a demo).

So, I tried MPEG STREAMCLIP on the M2TS, and, it does not see any picture, but does see the ac3 audio.

So, I tried it on the MP4, and, it sees the video, but, not the audio (does not recognize AC3).

Quicktime could of course edit, but, you can't keep ac3 audio after editing very easily.

So, how are people editing out commercials! I also can't find a tool that will even demux the audio and video on Mac. Do settings like the GOP mode affect the compatibility perhaps?

Anyone succeeeding, and if so, how?
post #813 of 1190
I use Avidemux for editing files from HDPVRcapture. It reads the native .m2ts format, preserves the ac3 and outputs in all the formats you could want. I do always find though that I have to add a 110ms delay to the audio to preserve lipsync.

GeoffT.
post #814 of 1190
Using avidemux, do I have the ability to, well, demux so I have ac3 audio separate from video, edit it as I do for other types of content to remove things I do not want (but keeping same length, mostly, silencing things), and, then combine back with video?
post #815 of 1190
Hi Steve thanks for the answer on MP4 pb on PS3 Ill wait for the next version then
post #816 of 1190
Hello all, I'm new here but I've had my HDPVR for a few weeks and have it working well except for one gigantic PITA. I bought it primarily to record gameplay from an XBox 360, but I have done some recording of some HD movies and TV shows as well, the problem is universal whether input from XBox or STB.

Quicktime is Colorsync aware and VLC and other programs are not. When I view the m2ts file in VLC it appears fine, a little flat but all the information is there. The same file post processed into mp4 through HDPVRC looks identical to the m2ts when viewed in VLC and when streamed to my XBox 360 it looks visually almost identical to the broadcast in color and contrast. The mp4 viewed in the Quicktime player, Final Cut or iMovie though gains a ton of density and appears visually way to dark.

I've done some poking around and it seems to be a problem with the h.264 codec and Quicktime and is exacerbated by using custom monitor profiles. I found this at thedvshow.com:

"Quicktime has a feature, mostly hidden from users, which is designed to adjust the display gamma of quicktime movies on different machines to compensate for display difference.
Deep within the file, there is sometimes a little tag called 'gama' lurking which tells the Quicktime player what gamma correction the file was encoded with. While this is well-intentioned, motivated by the difference in display gamma between PCs and Macs, the Quicktime player offers no way to view this tag and change it. To work around this issue, we have created a small tool that strips the 'gama' tag out of offending quicktimes. It's a very simple tool which operates on all the file names and folders given to it."


I downloaded this app but its a terminal app with no instructions that I understand. If somebody could let me know how to use it I'd be willing to test it out.

So here is where I'm at:
Final Cut can't import the m2ts file and the mp4 files get the bad gamma added so I need to transcode the m2ts into the AIC codec using Voltaic which seems to be gamma free.
Viewing movies and TV shows in VLC and not QT would be ok but only on the computer and I want to add them to my iTunes library in order to stream to my XBox for viewing on the TV, the XBox can only play the mp4's.

Therefore I really need and want to use the mp4's but I can't overcome the gamma issue without transcoding which causes a loss in quality, disk space and time.
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Steve I sort of addressed this with you a few weeks ago and as the trascoding for editing seemed to be ok but now that I'm playing with some TV/Movie programming its bugging me again.

If this gamma stripping app works would there be a way to include it into your post processing feature? As it appears to only affect the people with custom profiles and the results seem to vary and be bad then I would think that not having gamma info tied to the file would be beneficial for all.


A few links to help explain the issue. Sorry, apparently I don't have enough posting history to provide hotlinks yet.

Some info on this issue in a After Effects group:
//aeportal.blogspot.com/search/label/gamma

The gamma atom program.
fuelvfx.com/
Its kinda weird to navigate to. But it is there under software.

Screen caps comparing the same file viewed in VLC on the Top QT on the bottom.
//farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/3532323413_4c79bcec32_b.jpg
post #817 of 1190
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Originally Posted by gtwibell View Post

I use Avidemux for editing files from HDPVRcapture. It reads the native .m2ts format, preserves the ac3 and outputs in all the formats you could want. I do always find though that I have to add a 110ms delay to the audio to preserve lipsync.

GeoffT.

GeoffT
Thanks for the tip on Avidemux. This fixes some audio resync issues that I posted earlier in this thread. All aspects from video transfer to editing are now running problem free in my setup.
post #818 of 1190
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Originally Posted by JDear View Post

Steve I sort of addressed this with you a few weeks ago and as the trascoding for editing seemed to be ok but now that I'm playing with some TV/Movie programming its bugging me again.

If this gamma stripping app works would there be a way to include it into your post processing feature? As it appears to only affect the people with custom profiles and the results seem to vary and be bad then I would think that not having gamma info tied to the file would be beneficial for all.

Great feedback, thanks.

If you don't want the gama tag I can probably just have it removed automatically as part of the conversion.

Part of our earlier conversation also got me rethinking the whole brightness / sharpness controls issue. Behind the scenes I've been look at controlling the video frontend (prior to the video encoder) and being able to control the hardware directly. The added benefit of this would be to be able to crop black bars that a few gamers have been reporting (and which I've occasionally seen on certain STB's).

I'll look into this gama tag and if it's a quick fix then I'll put it into the 2.5.1 betas.

Regards,

- Steve
post #819 of 1190
I've seen some comments that some of you are editing in Streamclip. When I try to import a m2ts it says something about needing the mpeg2 decoder for Quicktime. I know I bought this a few years ago but with a few computer and Quicktime upgrades maybe I don't have it anymore. If I buy it from Apple (again) will I be able to import the m2ts files or are you guys editing the post processed QT mp4's?

I tried Avidemux and it worked for a couple of short tests and then froze when I tried a full one hour program so I haven't tried again.
post #820 of 1190
Not sure why you would need the MPEG2 add on since these files are not MPEG2.

I can't edit any M2TS in mpeg streamclip, no matter what I do, they simply do not work. Video shows up blank, sound does not play.
post #821 of 1190
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Originally Posted by JDear View Post

I've seen some comments that some of you are editing in Streamclip. When I try to import a m2ts it says something about needing the mpeg2 decoder for Quicktime. I know I bought this a few years ago but with a few computer and Quicktime upgrades maybe I don't have it anymore. If I buy it from Apple (again) will I be able to import the m2ts files or are you guys editing the post processed QT mp4's?

I tried Avidemux and it worked for a couple of short tests and then froze when I tried a full one hour program so I haven't tried again.

Streamclip works fine with post-processed .mp4 files, but be sure to save the edited version as a .mov. If you save as an .mp4, sound goes away for some reason.

I'm not aware of an editor on the Mac side that works with the raw .m2ts files.
post #822 of 1190
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Originally Posted by Will Collier View Post


I'm not aware of an editor on the Mac side that works with the raw .m2ts files.

See suggestion above from gtwibell, avidemux DOES work. And it keeps the AC3 in sync as well.

I would think saving as mov from streamclip would remove the ac3?
post #823 of 1190
Just wanted to chime in and say thank you for such a wonderful app, Steve. I received my 1212 yesterday after having convinced myself that recording on XP via bootcamp wouldn't be *THAT* bad with the bundled software. Then for whatever reason, I happened to wander into your thread last night. Ten minutes later, HDPVRCapture was up and running on my mini. Thanks again for your continued work on this outstanding tool.
post #824 of 1190
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Originally Posted by Nathan_R View Post

Just wanted to chime in and say thank you for such a wonderful app, Steve. I received my 1212 yesterday after having convinced myself that recording on XP via bootcamp wouldn't be *THAT* bad with the bundled software. Then for whatever reason, I happened to wander into your thread last night. Ten minutes later, HDPVRCapture was up and running on my mini. Thanks again for your continued work on this outstanding tool.

Kind words, you're welcome.

Thanks Nathan.

- Steve
post #825 of 1190
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Originally Posted by Nathan_R View Post

Just wanted to chime in and say thank you for such a wonderful app, Steve. I received my 1212 yesterday after having convinced myself that recording on XP via bootcamp wouldn't be *THAT* bad with the bundled software. Then for whatever reason, I happened to wander into your thread last night. Ten minutes later, HDPVRCapture was up and running on my mini. Thanks again for your continued work on this outstanding tool.

A-fricken'-men to that!

If only more developers could be so responsive/proactive and put out such a good product. I'm glad I helped encouraged Steve to do this, it's been repaid back with dividends
post #826 of 1190
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Originally Posted by sfatula View Post

See suggestion above from gtwibell, avidemux DOES work. And it keeps the AC3 in sync as well.

I would think saving as mov from streamclip would remove the ac3?

Nope, AC3 remains as-is. MOV can handle an AC3 track just fine, as long as you have Perian installed. Saving as MP4 in Streamclip DOES delete the audio track, though.
post #827 of 1190
Not really a software-question but more of a general beginner's hardware- or usage-thing:

I bought a HD PVR to record material from Xbox360, PS3 and Wii.
Xbox360 works great. I wasn't able to test PS3 yet due to a missing component-cable (it's connected using HDMI at the moment).

But I have some problems recording video from the Nintendo Wii.
It's connected to the HD PVR (or to my TV-set) with the original Nintendo-component-cable you can buy as an option.
I've set the Wii to display a 480p-Signal - but the signal from the component video loop out isn't displayed correctly on the TV (wrong colors, "wobbly" screen). I did not test if it's just the display and the recording may be OK.

In the FAQs/Feature-List of HDPVRCapture it reads "Records SD video resolutions 480i/480p via the front svideo or composite inputs."... so does this mean it's not possible at all to record 480p via the rear component inputs?
And (as I have not tested it yet) will the signal from the front input will be looped out to a TV-set connected via the rear outputs so I still can view what I am playing? I'm running this on a MacBook Pro.

Thanks for your help... even it's all beginner's stuff.
post #828 of 1190
Hello,

Is there anyway to capture high quality screen caps/screen shots using this program? Or is there any work around for it?

Thanks..
post #829 of 1190
I find that it usually takes about 172800 high quality screen caps in about two hours.


In all seriousness, this might work for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SnapZ_Pro_X
post #830 of 1190
Hi Steve,
Hope you don't mind but took the freedom to post a small article on mac4ever.com, this may bring you some more french customers hopefully .
Thought it is the least I could do considering the great support.
Thanks !
post #831 of 1190
I just purchased HDPVRCapture and while I am waiting for the license key I thought I would poke around the forums a bit. Forgive me if this question has already been asked but is there a way to change the channel on the STB via Firewire instead of the IRBlaster? I downloaded the AVCNoodle demo and channel changing worked perfectly with my Motorola DCT3200 STB. Is this a feature that is already available and I just overlooked it?

Thanks!
post #832 of 1190
Hello everyone, my first post after buying Steve's app. I bought the Hauppauge in haste even before I received my Sky+ HD STB here in the UK. Now, I see that Sky in the UK (and I presume everyone will now do this) has stopped providing STBs which have component output. So, its HDCP-encrypted HDMI alone no other form of HD. And, this is intentional to stop all this copying business. I have quickly ordered one of the only available HDCP decrypting' HDMI to Component adapters on the internet. It cost a solid $140 or so, spoiling half the fun of using the decently-priced Hauppauge. Anyway, thought I'd give a heads up as to what the lay of the land is likely to be, going forward.

Secondly, a support issue. Can someone tell me how to stretch out 4:3 material at source to 16:9. The STB sends a squished' 4:3 signal for widescreen material by standard definition analog outputs. So, when I watch this on widescreen TV, I have to tell the TV to use full' or 16:9' mode. Then the picture stretches out and is fine. But, when using the composite inputs of the Hauppauge, the monitoring VLC picture remains squished and Steves app captures squished 4:3. How can I override this to 16:9 at capture? Sorry, if this is a simple issue and I missed it. Search didn't turn up much.

Many thanks for a great community and support,

Tatha
post #833 of 1190
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Originally Posted by DrHackenbusch View Post

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I've set the Wii to display a 480p-Signal - but the signal from the component video loop out isn't displayed correctly on the TV (wrong colors, "wobbly" screen). I did not test if it's just the display and the recording may be OK.

In the FAQs/Feature-List of HDPVRCapture it reads "Records SD video resolutions 480i/480p via the front svideo or composite inputs."... so does this mean it's not possible at all to record 480p via the rear component inputs?

This isn't something I've ever seen, so thank you for raising this.

I am aware that the HDPVR is a strange beast when it comes to capturing content from consoles. Depending on the title it's possible to see black bars at the top or bottom of the screen. Not all titles but certainly some. This is due to the console outputting 'odd' (whatever odd means) video timing.

I'll mention this internally. It's likely to require a firmware fix so it will likely go on the engineering todo list inside Hauppauge. Obviously, I can't guarantee a fix or an ETA, but I will register it as a video timing bug.
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And (as I have not tested it yet) will the signal from the front input will be looped out to a TV-set connected via the rear outputs so I still can view what I am playing? I'm running this on a MacBook Pro.

No, the front signal will not be looped out of the rear. Only the rear inputs are looped.

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Thanks for your help... even it's all beginner's stuff.

Hey, anytime, you're welcome!
post #834 of 1190
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Hello,

Is there anyway to capture high quality screen caps/screen shots using this program? Or is there any work around for it?

Thanks..

No, not directly as the standard Mac key combination of Command+Shift+Control+3 / 4 works nicely!

Regards,

- Steve
post #835 of 1190
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Originally Posted by fandor View Post

Hi Steve,
Hope you don't mind but took the freedom to post a small article on mac4ever.com, this may bring you some more french customers hopefully .
Thought it is the least I could do considering the great support.
Thanks !

Great, feel free.

Many thanks fandor.

- Steve
post #836 of 1190
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Originally Posted by FritzsCorner View Post

I just purchased HDPVRCapture and while I am waiting for the license key I thought I would poke around the forums a bit. Forgive me if this question has already been asked but is there a way to change the channel on the STB via Firewire instead of the IRBlaster? I downloaded the AVCNoodle demo and channel changing worked perfectly with my Motorola DCT3200 STB. Is this a feature that is already available and I just overlooked it?

Thanks!

Hello, and welcome!

I responded to your private email but it's worth responding here also for the benefit of others.

No, it's not currently possible to use a third party application to change channels with HDPVRCapture. That being said a number of people have asked for this feature and it's something I certainly want to add shortly.

Another user kindly crafted together a small command line STB firewire channel-changing application and I plan to support this as the first 'external example' application to support firewire changing. (If you search a few pages back in the thread you should see the conversation).

The plan is to have implement some HDPVRCapture preference settings enabling the user to specify a script or binary which will be called prior to recording with a specific set of command line arguments. So, you'd get full control and be able to extend the mechanism to suit your needs. I suspect this will fit your requirements perfectly.

If you have any other ideas, suggestions or thoughts on the subject then I'm all ears.

- Steve
post #837 of 1190
Steve, did you ever make an official 2.5 release? I haven't checked the thread in a while, but I didn't see it on your site.

Couple of bug-ish reports: HDPVRC (2.5b2) crashes after starting to write the final .mp4 files when trying to convert more than one file at a time. Single files, no problem.

Second, I'm getting weird Quicktime behavior after I do a recording and conversion on my Mini. Choppy playback, very choppy sound. This is for all files, not just the one I had just recorded and converted. Reboot and everything is fine again. I don't know if this is HDPVRC related, or just a symptom of my HTPC Mini really needing a good maintenance cleanup, but I thought I'd pass it along in case anybody else was seeing the same thing...
post #838 of 1190
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Originally Posted by Tatha View Post

Hello everyone, my first post after buying Steve's app.

Welcome Tatha!

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I bought the Hauppauge in haste even before I received my Sky+ HD STB here in the UK. Now, I see that Sky in the UK (and I presume everyone will now do this) has stopped providing STBs which have component output. So, its HDCP-encrypted HDMI alone no other form of HD. And, this is intentional to stop all this copying business. I have quickly ordered one of the only available HDCP decrypting' HDMI to Component adapters on the internet. It cost a solid $140 or so, spoiling half the fun of using the decently-priced Hauppauge. Anyway, thought I'd give a heads up as to what the lay of the land is likely to be, going forward.

I'd love to hear how this works, as would many other people. Do you have an URL for that specific converter?

Unrelated, in v2.5.1-b2 I added support for the Thomson IR blasting mechanism for the UK, so you may need to download this if you plan to use the IR blaster. http://www.steventoth.net/hdpvrcaptu..._v2.5.0-b2.zip

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Secondly, a support issue. Can someone tell me how to stretch out 4:3 material at source to 16:9. The STB sends a squished' 4:3 signal for widescreen material by standard definition analog outputs. So, when I watch this on widescreen TV, I have to tell the TV to use full' or 16:9' mode. Then the picture stretches out and is fine. But, when using the composite inputs of the Hauppauge, the monitoring VLC picture remains squished and Steves app captures squished 4:3. How can I override this to 16:9 at capture? Sorry, if this is a simple issue and I missed it. Search didn't turn up much.

Many thanks for a great community and support,

Tatha

I don't think this is possible. That being said I'll email a couple of other people in the UK and find out if they see this issue also. I'm wondering if I can flag (even if it's a manual process) WSS in the recording. I'll have to look into the spec.

All of the other UK customers are lucky enough to have the Thomson Component output STB, which they adore in terms of video quality. You're the first with SD outputs only

Eeek, you also might want to switch away from composite inputs and use svideo for SD content, you'll be much happier with the video quality.

Regards,

- Steve
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Originally Posted by Will Collier View Post

Steve, did you ever make an official 2.5 release? I haven't checked the thread in a while, but I didn't see it on your site.

Hi Will,

No, sadly I got bogged down in a PPC post processing issue and I was having a heck of a time trying to get ffmpeg to build correctly (and run reliably) for 10.4. This is the major thing holding up 2.5.1 and it's a cause of frustration for me. (That and a massively busy job which is demanding more of my time that I'd like).

I can certainly put v2.5.1 into product with the PPC issue remaining, it's probably no worse than v2.4.1 for the specific customer who is experiencing the issue.

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Couple of bug-ish reports: HDPVRC (2.5b2) crashes after starting to write the final .mp4 files when trying to convert more than one file at a time. Single files, no problem.

Good to know, I'll add this to the must-fix list for 2.5.1. Anything special about the filenames or folders you're using - or should I be able to repro this really easily?

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Second, I'm getting weird Quicktime behavior after I do a recording and conversion on my Mini. Choppy playback, very choppy sound. This is for all files, not just the one I had just recorded and converted. Reboot and everything is fine again. I don't know if this is HDPVRC related, or just a symptom of my HTPC Mini really needing a good maintenance cleanup, but I thought I'd pass it along in case anybody else was seeing the same thing...

Hmm. Nobody else has reported this. I'd be tempted to close HDPVRCapture and disconnect (or power down) the HDPVR and see if the problem persists. I'd also be tempted to try a conversion on it's own and isolate the issue to either a conversion or capture+conversion specific problem.

Is something swallowing memory, banging on the disk or hammering the network that's HDPVRCapture related?

- Steve
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Originally Posted by stoth View Post

Hi Will,


Good to know, I'll add this to the must-fix list for 2.5.1. Anything special about the filenames or folders you're using - or should I be able to repro this really easily?

Yeah, all the files were in the same directory when it's happened to me, nothing special going on at all.

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Hmm. Nobody else has reported this. I'd be tempted to close HDPVRCapture and disconnect (or power down) the HDPVR and see if the problem persists. I'd also be tempted to try a conversion on it's own and isolate the issue to either a conversion or capture+conversion specific problem.

Is something swallowing memory, banging on the disk or hammering the network that's HDPVRCapture related?

- Steve

Nope, none of the above as far as I can tell. I will try to do a "solo" conversion, not immediately following a capture, and see if I get this behavior, though.

I do see occasional weirdness that's fixed by quitting the app and power cycling the capture box, but that's been for hiccups in actual captures (usually right after a capture begins), far as I can tell it's not related to the Quicktime stuttering.

Again--this may just be my weird box. If you can't repro it, let me know, I need an excuse to wipe that Mini and rebuild the drive anyway. Too much junk has piled up on it over the last few years.
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