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post #871 of 1190
I searched this thread and didnt see anything so maybe someone can help.

When I try to upload the files I recorded to YouTube, the video looks fine but there is no sound. Anyone know whats going on? The only work around ive found is to re-encode the videos using MPEG Streamclip but it's very tedious to do that.

-Neidel
post #872 of 1190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hauntsxl View Post

I searched this thread and didnt see anything so maybe someone can help.

When I try to upload the files I recorded to YouTube, the video looks fine but there is no sound. Anyone know whats going on? The only work around ive found is to re-encode the videos using MPEG Streamclip but it's very tedious to do that.

This isn't something I've ever tried (or heard issues about). Does the problem occur only when using the SPDIF, or does it also occur when using the RCA audio connected in the two different AAC and AC3 modes?

- Steve
post #873 of 1190
Quote:
Originally Posted by hauntsxl View Post

I searched this thread and didnt see anything so maybe someone can help.

When I try to upload the files I recorded to YouTube, the video looks fine but there is no sound. Anyone know whats going on? The only work around ive found is to re-encode the videos using MPEG Streamclip but it's very tedious to do that.

-Neidel

I've seen (er, heard) the same thing. AC3 recording in my case, YouTube didn't like it. I've forgotten already what I used to reencode it so the audio would work.
post #874 of 1190
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hauntsxl: Did you see my questions above?
post #875 of 1190
Hi Steve,
Finally got my Mini and set everything up. Just placed an order for the software, can't wait to try it out. Decided to ditch the HDHomerun for now, and just go with the HDPVR. It should be enough to suit my needs. Thanks again for your help!

Loving the Mini setup. Still have an older 2005 Panny plasma, so no 1080p yet, but maybe that upgrade will come next year. :-)
post #876 of 1190
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Originally Posted by poster View Post

Hi Steve,
Finally got my Mini and set everything up. Just placed an order for the software, can't wait to try it out. Decided to ditch the HDHomerun for now, and just go with the HDPVR. It should be enough to suit my needs. Thanks again for your help!

Loving the Mini setup. Still have an older 2005 Panny plasma, so no 1080p yet, but maybe that upgrade will come next year. :-)

Good news, welcome aboard poster.
post #877 of 1190
Forgive me if this is discussed somewhere in this thread, but I was wondering if there is a "best practice" for settings on the HDPVR?

For example, if I want the best possible quality, do I just jack the bitrate to the highest setting, or somewhere 3/4 of the way up until it hits "Crazy" level?

Under Video Controls, I believe you can set the picture calibration. Are people changing these settings from default, maybe based on their preference?

Just wondering if these things have been discussed here, or if anyone has any input based on their experiences? Love the Capture product Steve!

Edit: Sorry, forgot one more thing. Is it possible to use some type of Freeware for program guides? I have been reading up on TitanTV, but am not sure ho to integrate it with the HDPVR device? Is it even free?
post #878 of 1190
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by poster View Post

Forgive me if this is discussed somewhere in this thread, but I was wondering if there is a "best practice" for settings on the HDPVR?

For example, if I want the best possible quality, do I just jack the bitrate to the highest setting, or somewhere 3/4 of the way up until it hits "Crazy" level?

Welcome poster! Everyone has different requirements so you should experiment and see what works for you. I like the defaults for TV, for movies I bump the bitrate up to 10/12mbps, never usually any higher - I never see the video improvement benefits after this.

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Under Video Controls, I believe you can set the picture calibration. Are people changing these settings from default, maybe based on their preference?

Hmm, the saga of the video controls. Well, to answer your question directly I'd say leave them alone, don't change them. I've had some discussions internally at Hauppauge and it seems that the controls were disabled in the firmware sometime last year. I did partially remove the video controls in a 2.5 beta but I never took the final plunge to remove them completely. I'm waiting for Hauppauge to fix the firmware so they're adjustable.

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Just wondering if these things have been discussed here, or if anyone has any input based on their experiences? Love the Capture product Steve!

Kind words, thanks

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Edit: Sorry, forgot one more thing. Is it possible to use some type of Freeware for program guides? I have been reading up on TitanTV, but am not sure ho to integrate it with the HDPVR device? Is it even free?

Yeah, HDPVRCapture supports TitanTV and Zap2it for guide/scheduling support, and it's free. You can use the web epg's to setup daily/weekly recordings via iCal so HDPVRCapture will always record your fav shows. Check the FAQ for more details. If the FAQ is missing something then let's discuss here.

Regards,

- Steve
post #879 of 1190
Thanks very much for the info Steve. Will look into these guide options tonight.

In some cases my test recordings are choppy or frames are skipped. If I posted the recording log, could that tell you anything as to why it might be happening. I was also getting odd issues where the HDPVR lost connection to my DVR.

I know on the Happauge site, there is a firmware update. I assume in using OS X, that this isn't necessary? At work now, but could give more info tonight if I am still having issues.

Thanks again for your input!
post #880 of 1190
So still having issues. Hopefully it is OK to post the log of the short recording. I quit after about 10 seconds as it wasn't stable.

FFmpeg version SVN-r17665, Copyright (c) 2000-2009 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
configuration: --enable-static --enable-libfaac --enable-libx264 --enable-gpl
libavutil 49.15. 0 / 49.15. 0
libavcodec 52.20. 0 / 52.20. 0
libavformat 52.30. 1 / 52.30. 1
libavdevice 52. 1. 0 / 52. 1. 0
built on Feb 28 2009 14:25:53, gcc: 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5484)
HDPVRCapture build on Feb 28 2009 at 14:25:53

Seems stream 0 codec frame rate differs from container frame rate: 119.88 (120000/1001) -> 59.94 (60000/1001)
Input #0, mpegts, from '/Users/free_kick_spec1alist/Movies/20090715_180216.m2ts':
Duration: 00:00:12.16, start: 0.387044, bitrate: 10665 kb/s
Program 1
Stream #0.0[0x1011], 1/90000: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1280x720 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 1001/120000, 59.94 tbr, 90k tbn, 119.88 tbc
Stream #0.1[0x1100], 1/90000: Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 125 kb/s
Output #0, mov, to '/Users/free_kick_spec1alist/Movies/20090715_180216.m2ts.mp4':
Stream #0.0, 1/90000: Video: libx264, yuv420p, 1280x720 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 1001/60000, q=2-31, 90k tbn, 59.94 tbc
Stream #0.1, 1/90000: Audio: libfaac, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 128 kb/s
Stream mapping:
Stream #0.0 -> #0.0
Stream #0.1 -> #0.1
[mov @ 0x1053800]WARNING codec timebase is very high. If duration is too long,
file may not be playable by quicktime. Specify a shorter timebase
or choose different container.
Press [q] to stop encoding
frame= 257 fps= 0 q=-1.0 size= 5585kB time=4.22 bitrate=10831.6kbits/s dup=0 drop=0
timestamp discontinuity -4387716, new offset= 4000672
timestamp discontinuity -3403394, new offset= 7404066
frame= 527 fps=526 q=-1.0 size= 11978kB time=8.70 bitrate=11273.2kbits/s dup=0 drop=0
[NULL @ 0x1006000]missing picture in access unit
frame= 670 fps=518 q=-1.0 Lsize= 15344kB time=11.07 bitrate=11352.7kbits/s dup=0 drop=0
video:15156kB audio:172kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead 0.109698%

When this initial skip happens, VLC shuts down and no longer shows me the recording. I did update VLC the other day to the latest version. Any advice would be great.
post #881 of 1190
Quote:
Originally Posted by poster View Post

Forgive me if this is discussed somewhere in this thread, but I was wondering if there is a "best practice" for settings on the HDPVR?

For example, if I want the best possible quality, do I just jack the bitrate to the highest setting, or somewhere 3/4 of the way up until it hits "Crazy" level?

Under Video Controls, I believe you can set the picture calibration. Are people changing these settings from default, maybe based on their preference?

Just wondering if these things have been discussed here, or if anyone has any input based on their experiences? Love the Capture product Steve!

I find a bitrate right around 10K for 720p to be the sweet spot for Mac Mini (Intel 2.0GHz, old video card) playback. I haven't touched any of the other video controls.
post #882 of 1190
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Poster: Upgrade to the latest firmware 1.5.6 May 15th http://www.hauppauge.com/site/suppor...ort_hdpvr.html

You'll need a windows machine to do this. Connect the HDPVR, install the downloaded driver and the firmware will automatically be updated inside the HDPVR if required.

After this, plug the HDPVR back into your Mac and try a recording again and let me know what happens.
post #883 of 1190
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Originally Posted by Will Collier View Post

I find a bitrate right around 10K for 720p to be the sweet spot for Mac Mini (Intel 2.0GHz, old video card) playback. I haven't touched any of the other video controls.

Thanks Will, will try this suggestion out.

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Originally Posted by stoth View Post

Poster: Upgrade to the latest firmware 1.5.6 May 15th http://www.hauppauge.com/site/suppor...ort_hdpvr.html

You'll need a windows machine to do this. Connect the HDPVR, install the downloaded driver and the firmware will automatically be updated inside the HDPVR if required.

After this, plug the HDPVR back into your Mac and try a recording again and let me know what happens.

Thanks Steve, will try this tonight when I get home. Will let you know what happens. Appreciate the support you are giving me!
post #884 of 1190
Hmm same thing happens. Starts recording, then seems to glitch and drop frames a couple seconds after starting. This kills VLC at this point.

Once I stop the recording, the HDPVR app becomes unstable. It doesn't seem to be taking up large amounts of CPU from what I can see, but it is in Force Quit stage. Also will show an error in the source detection area, saying it cannot detect anything. I might try to reset my cable HD DVR to see what happens.
post #885 of 1190
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poster: as a test, switch from SPDIF to RCA analog inputs. Do things get better?
post #886 of 1190
Quote:
Originally Posted by stoth View Post

poster: as a test, switch from SPDIF to RCA analog inputs. Do things get better?

Hi Steve. Sorry for the noob question, do you mean go from component to analog cables when connecting the HDPVR to my set top box? If so I will try sometime this weekend, and let you know what occurs. Thanks again!! :-)
post #887 of 1190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by poster View Post

Hi Steve. Sorry for the noob question, do you mean go from component to analog cables when connecting the HDPVR to my set top box? If so I will try sometime this weekend, and let you know what occurs. Thanks again!! :-)

No, you should stick with component - that offer great quality.

I mean switch from using the optical digital audio connection to the analog audio connection for the purposes of the test. A number of odd issues have been related to using SPDIF and AC3 channel format changes (when shows cut to commercial), it would be good to rule this out.

- Steve
post #888 of 1190
Thanks Steve. I have been using analog audio connection the whole time, never optical.

Still having issues. When recording it just seems to play back too fast, and VLC always dies at about 5 or 6 MB into the start of a recording. That is when the first frame drop or some other issue occurs.

From the beginning of my time using this product, I would always get some skips/drops, but VLC never died like it does. I believe version 1.0 recently came out, or maybe on my Mini I still had 0.96, so not sure if that upgrade has caused issue. Are there any VLC specific settings I have to be using.

In HDPVR capture I am using these settings:

Inputs

Compnent HD Video, Rear Analog RCA Jacks

Video:

Constant Bitrate 10156, GOP Mode: Advanced

Audio Encoder:

2 Channel AAC (only option that produces sound in my recordings), Yes to all other options besides iTunes processing.

Video Controls: Untouched

I have IR blaster settings, but don't have it fully mounted to the infrared input on my cable box as the provided two side tape isn't good enough to stick to it. I have a Scientific Atlanta Explorer HDC 8300 from Time Warner cable. In the options I have chosen Sci Atlanta 8300 HD as I think that is the closest option. No HDC option. Other option is Sci Atlanta 8000.

Under Misc, I have the default options applied.

Here is the last recording log from video I captured this morning:


FFmpeg version SVN-r17665, Copyright (c) 2000-2009 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
configuration: --enable-static --enable-libfaac --enable-libx264 --enable-gpl
libavutil 49.15. 0 / 49.15. 0
libavcodec 52.20. 0 / 52.20. 0
libavformat 52.30. 1 / 52.30. 1
libavdevice 52. 1. 0 / 52. 1. 0
built on Feb 28 2009 14:25:53, gcc: 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5484)
HDPVRCapture build on Feb 28 2009 at 14:25:53

Seems stream 0 codec frame rate differs from container frame rate: 119.88 (120000/1001) -> 59.94 (60000/1001)
Input #0, mpegts, from '/Users/free_kick_spec1alist/Movies/20090719_095515.m2ts':
Duration: 00:00:10.96, start: 0.387044, bitrate: 9681 kb/s
Program 1
Stream #0.0[0x1011], 1/90000: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1280x720 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 1001/120000, 59.94 tbr, 90k tbn, 119.88 tbc
Stream #0.1[0x1100], 1/90000: Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 125 kb/s
Output #0, mov, to '/Users/free_kick_spec1alist/Movies/20090719_095515.m2ts.mp4':
Stream #0.0, 1/90000: Video: libx264, yuv420p, 1280x720 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 1001/60000, q=2-31, 90k tbn, 59.94 tbc
Stream #0.1, 1/90000: Audio: libfaac, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 128 kb/s
Stream mapping:
Stream #0.0 -> #0.0
Stream #0.1 -> #0.1
[mov @ 0x10a3a00]WARNING codec timebase is very high. If duration is too long,
file may not be playable by quicktime. Specify a shorter timebase
or choose different container.
Press [q] to stop encoding
frame= 171 fps= 0 q=-1.0 size= 3611kB time=2.79 bitrate=10586.1kbits/s dup=0 drop=0
timestamp discontinuity -4771427, new offset= 4384383
frame= 352 fps=351 q=-1.0 size= 7432kB time=5.85 bitrate=10415.1kbits/s dup=0 drop=0
frame= 507 fps=335 q=-1.0 size= 10798kB time=8.43 bitrate=10496.9kbits/s dup=0 drop=0
timestamp discontinuity -4637961, new offset= 9022344
[NULL @ 0x1006000]missing picture in access unit
frame= 597 fps=329 q=-1.0 Lsize= 12540kB time=9.90 bitrate=10378.3kbits/s dup=0 drop=0
video:12369kB audio:153kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead 0.142907%


Hopefully this information helps. Again, many thanks for sticking with me. I feel I am probably making some kind of error or mistake. I know my Mini is hard wired on my network, and this occurs even with no other network traffic. Frustrating to say the least. :-)

Thanks!


EDIT: Also I am having issues no matter what I record. Been messing around with the British Open this morning, have tried HBO, ESPN, always the same issues. It also doesn't like 480p programming either.
post #889 of 1190
downloaded software last week. Tried recording but was not having any luck.

Finally got my PVR to work on windows so I thought it should work on my mac now.

As soon as the software loads and detects my pvr, it crashes. if i start the software up without the pvr attached, it loads fine but crashes as soon as i plug in my pvr.

Any idea's?
post #890 of 1190
I just installed 2.5 on my Macbook Pro and an Intel Mac Mini and I'm seeing an immediate and consistent crash when I hit the "+" button in the Conversion tab. It seems to happen regardless of whether the HDPVR is connected, and it happens on both my Macbook Pro and a Mac Mini that I use as my HTPC. I've attached the system configuration and crash details from the "report" window that pops up.

You reference dragging and dropping into that area quite a bit, so I wonder if people don't frequently use "+" to add a file...

Thanks for any help,
Rob

 

Archive.zip 8.9013671875k . file
post #891 of 1190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colemanr View Post

I just installed 2.5 on my Macbook Pro and an Intel Mac Mini and I'm seeing an immediate and consistent crash when I hit the "+" button in the Conversion tab. It seems to happen regardless of whether the HDPVR is connected, and it happens on both my Macbook Pro and a Mac Mini that I use as my HTPC. I've attached the system configuration and crash details from the "report" window that pops up.

Hey Rob, yep - a UI bug, a gold star for you!

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You reference dragging and dropping into that area quite a bit, so I wonder if people don't frequently use "+" to add a file...

This should be an easy fix. Thanks for raising this.

- Steve
post #892 of 1190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mgworek View Post

downloaded software last week. Tried recording but was not having any luck.

Finally got my PVR to work on windows so I thought it should work on my mac now.

As soon as the software loads and detects my pvr, it crashes. if i start the software up without the pvr attached, it loads fine but crashes as soon as i plug in my pvr.

Any idea's?

Hmm, mgworek, Goldfingiz raised this issue late june in this thread, but the issue went away for them. See my comments and suggestions dated June 27th. I'd like to hear your feedback on this.

In addition, download the latest windows driver from the Hauppauge site, dated May 15th (?), install it then reconnect the HDPVR to your Mac and try again.

- Steve
post #893 of 1190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by poster View Post

Hopefully this information helps. Again, many thanks for sticking with me. I feel I am probably making some kind of error or mistake. I know my Mini is hard wired on my network, and this occurs even with no other network traffic. Frustrating to say the least. :-)

Thanks!


EDIT: Also I am having issues no matter what I record. Been messing around with the British Open this morning, have tried HBO, ESPN, always the same issues. It also doesn't like 480p programming either.

I'd like to see a 120 second recorded sample so I can figure out what's going on. Assuming this is OK I'll PM your some ftp server details. If you could grab a 2min recording of HBO that would be great.

Edit: Who is your STB cable provider?
Edit2: Apparently TWC. I'm talking with Poster via PM.

Thanks,

- Steve
post #894 of 1190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stoth View Post

Hey Rob, yep - a UI bug, a gold star for you!



This should be an easy fix. Thanks for raising this.

- Steve

This is fixed in the next release.
post #895 of 1190
Not sure why but it works fine now. I didn't change anything, even rebooted when it wasn't working but hey, I am just glad it works now.



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Originally Posted by stoth View Post

Hmm, mgworek, Goldfingiz raised this issue late june in this thread, but the issue went away for them. See my comments and suggestions dated June 27th. I'd like to hear your feedback on this.

In addition, download the latest windows driver from the Hauppauge site, dated May 15th (?), install it then reconnect the HDPVR to your Mac and try again.

- Steve
post #896 of 1190
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http://www.geektonic.com/2009/07/dea...-150-with.html

HDPVR from Dell $150 plus free shipping, offer expires July 29th.

Fantastic price.
post #897 of 1190
Hello all-

I would love to hear your opinions on a decision I'd like to make this weekend as to whether I should purchase a Tivo HD or the Hauppauge HDPVR.

My original intent was to use AVCNoodle to record directly via FW to my Mac Mini from my cable co's HD-DVR. Unfortunately, WOW! encrypts all channel signals so I'm stuck there (thanks for the assistance in confirming that, Steve).

So one is to trade the HD-DVR from WOW! for 2 Cable Cards and get Tivo, which has built in decrypting of the recordings from the hard drive. The downside is the additional cost of the Cable Cards (the dvr fees are a wash) as well as the prospect of losing everything already on my dvr (it's 90% full).

Option #2 is to keep the HD-DVR and buy the HDPVR. But I have a couple questions about the HDPVR and HDPVRCapture (I've read 80% of the posts, but I probably forgot some stuff):

1. Can I program the software to change the channel of the STB so I can schedule recordings? How well does this work for you? I'm looking for a solution where I don't have to be sitting in front of the TV to get the recordings over to my Mini.
2. Can I watch programs live using the component output of the HDPVR? Even while the device is recording the feed to the Mini?

Ultimately, I'll probably use Plex to watch the recordings once they're on the Mini, and from what I've read the files created should play there.

Thanks in advance for all your input!

-Jeremy
post #898 of 1190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyandnell View Post

Hello all-

I would love to hear your opinions on a decision I'd like to make this weekend as to whether I should purchase a Tivo HD or the Hauppauge HDPVR.

My original intent was to use AVCNoodle to record directly via FW to my Mac Mini from my cable co's HD-DVR. Unfortunately, WOW! encrypts all channel signals so I'm stuck there (thanks for the assistance in confirming that, Steve).

You're welcome.

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So one is to trade the HD-DVR from WOW! for 2 Cable Cards and get Tivo, which has built in decrypting of the recordings from the hard drive. The downside is the additional cost of the Cable Cards (the dvr fees are a wash) as well as the prospect of losing everything already on my dvr (it's 90% full).

Option #2 is to keep the HD-DVR and buy the HDPVR. But I have a couple questions about the HDPVR and HDPVRCapture (I've read 80% of the posts, but I probably forgot some stuff):

Sure, fire away.

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1. Can I program the software to change the channel of the STB so I can schedule recordings? How well does this work for you? I'm looking for a solution where I don't have to be sitting in front of the TV to get the recordings over to my Mini.

Changing channels, Yes. I'm pretty happy with the stability, no major issues for me. A number of customers just want to manually dump stuff so they have no need for blasting etc. It has a large library (1000+) of known stb's so I doubt you'll have any issues.

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2. Can I watch programs live using the component output of the HDPVR? Even while the device is recording the feed to the Mini?

You can but it's not really designed to do that. HDPVRCapture (optionally, disabled by default) will launch VLC a few seconds after the recording happens so you can 'monitor video' and see what's happening, but I wouldn't call it a HTPC experience. Decoding 1080i or 720p in VLC while you're trying to record is probably an unwanted cpu load. Still, you can watch the beginning then kill VLC if you just need to see it start.

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Ultimately, I'll probably use Plex to watch the recordings once they're on the Mini, and from what I've read the files created should play there.

Plex, frontrow or anything else that understands mp4's.

A couple of things worth mentioning:

1. I suggest you download all of the sample recordings from steventoth.net and check that the different resolutions all play correctly on your mini with Plex. If the m2ts or mp4's play well then you're in great shape, at zero cost it's a worthwhile test - and will wet your appetite (or not). Again. this is something you can check without purchasing hardware or software.

2. The IRBlaster functionality is disabled in the demo, so don't be surprised if you install HDPVRCapture in demo mode and cannot make the blaster work, I do mention this on the features page. (It's one of two restrictions that occur in demo mode, other being 2 minute recordings max).

Once the product is unlocked I've yet to find a paid customer that the IR blaster does not work for. (Occasionally we have to trade emails to work through blasting setup issues).

- Steve
post #899 of 1190
Quote:
Originally Posted by stoth View Post


You can but it's not really designed to do that. HDPVRCapture (optionally, disabled by default) will launch VLC a few seconds after the recording happens so you can 'monitor video' and see what's happening, but I wouldn't call it a HTPC experience. Decoding 1080i or 720p in VLC while you're trying to record is probably an unwanted cpu load. Still, you can watch the beginning then kill VLC if you just need to see it start.

That makes sense, but I was actually wondering if I can run the component video from the DVR to the PVR then simultaneously output to BOTH the Mini (via USB) and to my TV (via component video out). Can the PVR hardware do that?

Thanks for the input on the other stuff...it's good to know that the IR blasting is reliable!
post #900 of 1190
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyandnell View Post

That makes sense, but I was actually wondering if I can run the component video from the DVR to the PVR then simultaneously output to BOTH the Mini (via USB) and to my TV (via component video out). Can the PVR hardware do that?

Yes, it has a Component passthrough and SPDIF passthrough port.

- Steve
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