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post #1441 of 1923
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post
You've read their agreements with the studios? I'm definitely not sure of that. What I've always heard is that media rights contracts are specified to the most minute detail exactly what the licensee is allowed to do with the media under what circumstances.

For example, Netflix is only encoding 5.1 soundtracks for about 25% of new HD titles. Why not all?

Maybe they don't receive masters with 5.1. I know this is how VUDU works. If the master has 2.0 it is encoded in 2.,0. If the master has 5.1, then it is encoded with 5.1 audio.

They can only use what the studios send them. If it doesn't have 5.1 audio, then the studio might not be sending Netflix a master with 5.1 audio.
post #1442 of 1923
I don't think that Wal Mart has the leverage to get the studios to allow them to lower their prices. Their leverage with everyone is being a huge portion of the retail channel for nearly everything (they apparently nearly drove Rubbermaid out of business when they stopped selling those products because the company declined to meet their price demands). I can't see where VUDU Is any kind of dominate force in streaming video as yet, nor do I think it has that potential. Also allowing Wal Mart to undercut their competition messes up a lot of other outlets. Of course, they might squeeze the studios using retail DVDs and BDs, but that's a market in decline.
post #1443 of 1923
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post
Maybe they don't receive masters with 5.1. I know this is how VUDU works. If the master has 2.0 it is encoded in 2.,0. If the master has 5.1, then it is encoded with 5.1 audio.

They can only use what the studios send them. If it doesn't have 5.1 audio, then the studio might not be sending Netflix a master with 5.1 audio.
Could be, but why are they receiving HD master w/o 5.1? You'd think that any such would have had to have been specially prepared.

They've stated in their blog that they get HD masters for some things for which they're not allowed to offer HD streams and are able to use the better quality source to produce a superior SD stream. I think that 5.1 sound is probably a similar situation.
post #1444 of 1923
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post
Could be, but why are they receiving HD master w/o 5.1? You'd think that any such would have had to have been specially prepared.

They've stated in their blog that they get HD masters for some things for which they're not allowed to offer HD streams and are able to use the better quality source to produce a superior SD stream. I think that 5.1 sound is probably a similar situation.

There was recently an issue with the movie "Source Code" on VUDU. Originally it was only available in stereo since that is what they were sent. Some people mentioned this on the Vudu forum that the HDX version was only stereo. So Vudu requested that the studio send them a master with 5.1. The studio sent it and they re-encoded the title with 5.1.
post #1445 of 1923
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post
I don't think that Wal Mart has the leverage to get the studios to allow them to lower their prices. Their leverage with everyone is being a huge portion of the retail channel for nearly everything (they apparently nearly drove Rubbermaid out of business when they stopped selling those products because the company declined to meet their price demands). I can't see where VUDU Is any kind of dominate force in streaming video as yet, nor do I think it has that potential. Also allowing Wal Mart to undercut their competition messes up a lot of other outlets. Of course, they might squeeze the studios using retail DVDs and BDs, but that's a market in decline.
Back to my original post on Wally .. they have the resources to drop the price to a max of $2.99 for HDX, less for HD / SD .. that, IMO, will expand the customer base, growing VUDU into a dominant player, as opposed to the niche it's in now ..

Obviously, with NF streaming growth, the customer base is out there .. most folks don't even know about VUDU .. and VUDU price points are currently prohibitive IMO ..

So .. classic Wally scenario .. drop price, even if it's a break even or a loser .. expand base .. voila ..

Of course, the studios will then get pissed and force a 28 day window ..

And for all I know, VUDU pays a percent for each stream .. I have no idea ..
post #1446 of 1923
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post
Of course, the studios will then get pissed and force a 28 day window ..
My strong belief is that the studios' licensing for streaming stipulates mandatory pricing and rental duration (the 24-or-48 hour thing). Otherwise there's some really good "gentleman's agreement" among the streaming service providers; everyone's pricing is pretty much the same for recent release theatrical titles: $4 for SD, $5 for HD and $6 for 1080p HD from VUDU and Zune on the Xbox.
post #1447 of 1923
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

My strong belief is that the studios' licensing for streaming stipulates mandatory pricing and rental duration (the 24-or-48 hour thing). Otherwise there's some really good "gentleman's agreement" among the streaming service providers; everyone's pricing is pretty much the same for recent release theatrical titles: $4 for SD, $5 for HD and $6 for 1080p HD from VUDU and Zune on the Xbox.

That's a stretch IMO .. and I don't know of the legality of price fixing as it relates to digital media .. gas prices within a defined area are generally very close to each other as well, however that does not indicate stipulation as such .. and, price fixing would require all content providers to all be in agreement .. unlikely ..
post #1448 of 1923
Question (apology if answered already .. search turned up nada) .. rent a 99cent deal .. how long do you have before it's got to be watched assuming you don't start playback .. ??
post #1449 of 1923
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

That's a stretch IMO .. and I don't know of the legality of price fixing as it relates to digital media .. gas prices within a defined area are generally very close to each other as well, however that does not indicate stipulation as such .. and, price fixing would require all content providers to all be in agreement .. unlikely ..

Colllusion between the sellers to establish a fixed price would be illegal, but I don't think that a fixed price stipulated by the distributor necessarily qualifies.

Lots of products are offered at a seemingly fixed price. Take the Apple iPad 2 (16GB WiFi). Google Shopping lists 30 e-tailers offering it, only one of whom is offering it below the $499 list price (for $479); most of them want more than list (some are asking over $100 more). For another example, take the Fender Standard Stratocaster (Mexican); it lists for $699.99, but nearly everyone, e-tailers and B&M retailers, discounts it to exactly $499.99. How is such standardized pricing acheived without supplier stipulation or vendor collusion? I suspect volume pricing with a suggested retail priced allowing producing a very small retail profit margin.

On point, how is it that none of the streaming or cable VOD providers has broken rank on pricing to this point? I think that Wal Mart could possibly be free to discount VUDU streams, but only at an actual loss and that the studios would never lower their prices to make it profitable (and lowering prices to negative profits to elimination competition, I believe, is also illegal).
post #1450 of 1923
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Colllusion between the sellers to establish a fixed price would be illegal, but I don't think that a fixed price stipulated by the distributor necessarily qualifies.

Lots of products are offered at a seemingly fixed price. Take the Apple iPad 2 (16GB WiFi). Google Shopping lists 30 e-tailers offering it, only one of whom is offering it below the $499 list price (for $479); most of them want more than list (though a few of those may be Google Shopping matching the wrong item). For another example, take the Fender Standard Strat (Mexican); it lists for $699.99, but nearly everyone, e-tailers and B&M retailers, discounts it to exactly $499.99. How is such standardized pricing acheived without supplier stipulation or vendor collusion? I suspect volume pricing with a suggested retail priced allowing producing a very small retail profit margin.

On point, how is it that none of the streaming or cable VOD providers has broken rank on pricing to this point? I think that Wal Mart could possibly be free to discount VUDU streams, but only at an actual loss and that the studios would never lower their prices to make it profitable.

Products produced by one manufacturer are a whole different scenario .. MSRP / MAP .. the free market really does not come into play as it relates to new goods like these .. Why .. ? .. as a Fender and Gibson dealer for many years .. MAP pricing is generally a contract agreement required in order to get the franchise .. which does not mean a dealer cannot discount further in house, you just can't advertise it .. which is why you see things like "price shown in cart" .. as well, these agreements are generally between the manufacturer and the dealer .. if a 3rd party distributor comes into play then it's a different ballgame ..

A Fender guitar is a Fender guitar .. available from Fender, made by Fender.. as is the IPad made by Apple ..

We're talking about a commodity that is available from a multitude of providers (studios) .. I suppose the concept of MAP could be at play, however, I find it a stretch that all the studios would be in on the "fix" ..

A loss leader in order to gain market share is still not beyond possibility .. as long as you are willing to pay the agreed price to the maker and they do not threaten to jerk the franchise out from under you ..
post #1451 of 1923
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Question (apology if answered already .. search turned up nada) .. rent a 99cent deal .. how long do you have before it's got to be watched assuming you don't start playback .. ??

30 days. So even if you can't watch it that day you can still rent it at that price and watch it later.
post #1452 of 1923
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

30 days.

Excellent .. and thanks ..
post #1453 of 1923
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

We're talking about a commodity that is available from a multitude of providers (studios) .. I suppose the concept of MAP could be at play, however, I find it a stretch that all the studios would be in on the "fix" ..

A loss leader in order to gain market share is still not beyond possibility .. as long as you are willing to pay the agreed price to the maker and they do not threaten to jerk the franchise out from under you ..

Again, how do you account for the unified pricing and rental terms we see in rental streaming and cable pay-per-viewing-period-VOD? I think that some only offer 14 days to watch but otherwise its homogenous. It's got to be either by agreement with the content distributors or collusion between the sellers.

A short-term loss-leader might be tolerated, but I think that any long term dumping, an anti-competitive move, would be actionable.
post #1454 of 1923
I recently bought a new TV and Blu-Ray player that both stream VUDU, so I had some credit to try out the service this weekend. I first tried Rango in HD and the video and audio were so out of sync that it was uncorrectable by adjusting the delay on either my Panasonic Blu-Ray player or my Denon AVR. I tried a couple of other movies and they were fine. Today I found that others on the VUDU forum have complained of the same, and VUDU customer service had responded. I wrote to them tonight to request a refund credit for Rango. Has this happened with new releases before?
post #1455 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Seawolfbronco View Post

I recently bought a new TV and Blu-Ray player that both stream VUDU, so I had some credit to try out the service this weekend. I first tried Rango in HD and the video and audio were so out of sync that it was uncorrectable by adjusting the delay on either my Panasonic Blu-Ray player or my Denon AVR. I tried a couple of other movies and they were fine. Today I found that others on the VUDU forum have complained of the same, and VUDU customer service had responded. I wrote to them tonight to request a refund credit for Rango. Has this happened with new releases before?

Sometimes they get a bad encode. You tell customer service, you get a refund/credit, they check out the encode and then fix it by re-encoding it.
It's not all that common but does happen periodically. They have over 20K titles. Every VOD service has had issues with some titles here and there for whatever reason.

In the 3.5 years I've been using VUDU, I think I've had issues with around 3 or 4 titles I've rented that they had to re-encode. Each time I got a credit/refund so it can be a pain when it happens but at least they do rectify the situation.
post #1456 of 1923
Yay for forced customer quality control volunteers...

-Suntan
post #1457 of 1923
Anyone run into something like this -- I'm using Vudu streaming via my Oppo 93 blu-ray player. Had difficulties getting onto the service and/or playing a movie on Saturday night.

I was trying to use my $5.99 credit, but it timed out in starting the movie. Then it took me about 5 tries to even get back into the Vudu application/software (I kept getting some weird error messages and it wouldn't let me in -- even after I re-started by blu-ray player).

As a test, I tried to enter the blockbuster streaming app at that time, and it worked fine -- so I'm pretty sure it was a problem on Vudu's end. (I'm hardwired to my FIOS network, so no connectivity issues on my end).

Once I actually got back into the Vudu application after a frustrating series of attempts, I chose 1080p to start the movie (source code), but nothing happened (it would take me to the screen where you start the movie, but it just sat there -- no matter what button I pushed). Eventually I just chose 720p and it worked.

I have my Oppo set to output 720p (since my PJ is 720p). Does that mean I should not select 1080p on Vudu?

Very frustrating in dealing with Vudu -- but once it worked, it was great. I refuse to use BB or Netflix for streaming on my setup (114 inch screen with 7.1 surround), since they generally don't have either HD, or DD 5.1. Vudu has HD and DD "Plus" 5.1. But it seems like they have a lack of server capacity or some other issues, preventing access to the app and/or the movies at times.

I prefer the physical disk for dolby true HD and/or DTS HD Master (and more control over menus, etc.), but Vudu is decent back-up option if it will work.

By the way, Source Code was entertaining.
post #1458 of 1923
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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post

Anyone run into something like this -- I'm using Vudu streaming via my Oppo 93 blu-ray player. Had difficulties getting onto the service and/or playing a movie on Saturday night.

I was trying to use my $5.99 credit, but it timed out in starting the movie. Then it took me about 5 tries to even get back into the Vudu application/software (I kept getting some weird error messages and it wouldn't let me in -- even after I re-started by blu-ray player).

As a test, I tried to enter the blockbuster streaming app at that time, and it worked fine -- so I'm pretty sure it was a problem on Vudu's end. (I'm hardwired to my FIOS network, so no connectivity issues on my end).

Once I actually got back into the Vudu application after a frustrating series of attempts, I chose 1080p to start the movie (source code), but nothing happened (it would take me to the screen where you start the movie, but it just sat there -- no matter what button I pushed). Eventually I just chose 720p and it worked.

I have my Oppo set to output 720p (since my PJ is 720p). Does that mean I should not select 1080p on Vudu?

Very frustrating in dealing with Vudu -- but once it worked, it was great. I refuse to use BB or Netflix for streaming on my setup (114 inch screen with 7.1 surround), since they generally don't have either HD, or DD 5.1. Vudu has HD and DD "Plus" 5.1. But it seems like they have a lack of server capacity or some other issues, preventing access to the app and/or the movies at times.

I prefer the physical disk for dolby true HD and/or DTS HD Master (and more control over menus, etc.), but Vudu is decent back-up option if it will work.

By the way, Source Code was entertaining.

I've had similar issues when streaming Vudu over wireless. Yet Netflix streaming and Amazon steaming work fine from the same location. I too get that crazy error message and have to wait like 10 minutes to back into the Vudu app.
post #1459 of 1923
In case anyone finds this useful, I've been working with VUDU to track new titles being added to the service for rental availability in HD or HDX quality. I find the VUDU web site confusing because it's not organized by release dates, so I'm never sure what I can rent when. Going forward, the High-Def Digest blog will have a weekly VUDU update on Mondays.

The first post went up today. No big titles being added this week, but the new version of Jane Eyre is supposed to be pretty good, and I'm kind of curious to see Mel Gibson in The Beaver.
post #1460 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

The first post went up today. No big titles being added this week, but the new version of Jane Eyre is supposed to be pretty good, and I'm kind of curious to see Mel Gibson in The Beaver.

Those are the two standouts. As much as I'm loath to patronize a bigot of questionable mental health, Gibson remains a competent actor and I'd really like to see Jodie Foster's directorial debut. Jane Eyre reviewed well.

I'm not sure that I want to pay full price for either, though. Probably neither is worth the extra buck for HDX.
post #1461 of 1923
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Those are the two standouts. As much as I'm loath to patronize a bigot of questionable mental health, Gibson remains a competent actor and I'd really like to see Jodie Foster's directorial debut.

Foster directed a couple of movies before this one: Little Man Tate and Home for the Holidays. Both were pretty good.
post #1462 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

In case anyone finds this useful, I've been working with VUDU to track new titles being added to the service for rental availability in HD or HDX quality. I find the VUDU web site confusing because it's not organized by release dates, so I'm never sure what I can rent when. Going forward, the High-Def Digest blog will have a weekly VUDU update on Mondays.

The first post went up today. No big titles being added this week, but the new version of Jane Eyre is supposed to be pretty good, and I'm kind of curious to see Mel Gibson in The Beaver.

Under "Browse" you can select by release date plus filter Movies or TV and Genre.
post #1463 of 1923
The 99 cent movie du jour is Cloverfield, which I heartily recommend (particularly if you like the thought of watching a small group of smug young professionals scamper in horror, fleeing a barely glimpsed monster ). Very well conceived and executed.
post #1464 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

Under "Browse" you can select by release date plus filter Movies or TV and Genre.

Ah, but it doesn't actually display the release dates. VUDU also removed the ability to sort by titles in HD or HDX. I find their web site frustrating.
post #1465 of 1923
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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post

Anyone run into something like this -- I'm using Vudu streaming via my Oppo 93 blu-ray player. Had difficulties getting onto the service and/or playing a movie on Saturday night.

I was trying to use my $5.99 credit, but it timed out in starting the movie. Then it took me about 5 tries to even get back into the Vudu application/software (I kept getting some weird error messages and it wouldn't let me in -- even after I re-started by blu-ray player).

As a test, I tried to enter the blockbuster streaming app at that time, and it worked fine -- so I'm pretty sure it was a problem on Vudu's end. (I'm hardwired to my FIOS network, so no connectivity issues on my end).

Once I actually got back into the Vudu application after a frustrating series of attempts, I chose 1080p to start the movie (source code), but nothing happened (it would take me to the screen where you start the movie, but it just sat there -- no matter what button I pushed). Eventually I just chose 720p and it worked.

I have my Oppo set to output 720p (since my PJ is 720p). Does that mean I should not select 1080p on Vudu?

Very frustrating in dealing with Vudu -- but once it worked, it was great. I refuse to use BB or Netflix for streaming on my setup (114 inch screen with 7.1 surround), since they generally don't have either HD, or DD 5.1. Vudu has HD and DD "Plus" 5.1. But it seems like they have a lack of server capacity or some other issues, preventing access to the app and/or the movies at times.

I prefer the physical disk for dolby true HD and/or DTS HD Master (and more control over menus, etc.), but Vudu is decent back-up option if it will work.

By the way, Source Code was entertaining.


Had the same probs Sat night as well. My guess is that there is a lot of demand on Saturdays because there are a lot more people staying home to watch movies on that night. VUDU needs to update it's hardware IMO. I have found some movies won't stream at the HDX level no matter what night or time of day they are played.
post #1466 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Ah, but it doesn't actually display the release dates. VUDU also removed the ability to sort by titles in HD or HDX. I find their web site frustrating.

Yes you can. There's a Quality option. I just did it.

I love their website. Think it's awesome.
post #1467 of 1923
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Originally Posted by fu-cat View Post

Had the same probs Sat night as well. My guess is that there is a lot of demand on Saturdays because there are a lot more people staying home to watch movies on that night. VUDU needs to update it's hardware IMO. I have found some movies won't stream at the HDX level no matter what night or time of day they are played.


Try changing your DNS server IP addresses. Run NameBench from Google. It will give you the best DNS IP addresses to use based on speed and your location.
I'm on FiOS. I changed mine earlier this Summer. Since then I can stream VUDU, Netflix, etc, any time without issues. VUDU on Saturday nights gets me 3 HDX bars consistently. Prior to the DNS change it would sometimes fluctuate between one and three HDX bars.

here is a quote from this thread 1.5 years ago about it.

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Originally Posted by araomd View Post

Here is the solution that worked for me from Vudu support. I have not yet watched a full movie, but it work when I watched the trailers, no more buffering. I get 3 bars for HD, 1 for HDX with the rare buffer:

"Thanks for your patience while we troubleshoot this issue. Typically, the DNS that your router pulls from your ISP work well but they might be routing you incorrectly to the VUDU servers. Let's try the following:

1. Open up a web browser and clear the history and cache.

2. Navigate to http://speedtest.vudu.com/cdn1/ and run a bandwidth test. What results do you get?

3. Run the Google DNS benchmark utility to see which DNS servers work best for your connection. This test will take up to 15 minutes and will give you a list of 3 DSN servers that will give you the best results.
http://code.google.com/p/namebench/

4. Set the primary and secondary DNS servers in your router settings according to the Google benchmark results.

5. Finally, try watching an HDX trailer on VUDU to see if you get better streaming results."
post #1468 of 1923
Thanks for that ^. I ran it and I guess my DNS was already pretty fast (Roadrunner), but Roadrunner in NC was apparently 1% faster so I switched to them.
post #1469 of 1923
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Try changing your DNS server IP addresses. Run NameBench from Google. It will give you the best DNS IP addresses to use based on speed and your location.
I'm on FiOS. I changed mine earlier this Summer. Since then I can stream VUDU, Netflix, etc, any time without issues. VUDU on Saturday nights gets me 3 HDX bars consistently. Prior to the DNS change it would sometimes fluctuate between one and three HDX bars.

here is a quote from this thread 1.5 years ago about it.

Never mind, I got it.
post #1470 of 1923
Well, after the changes I see no difference in download speeds. I used VUDU's speedtest thingy and there is no difference. Actually, speed went down just a smidge. The problem is not on my end, I think it is on VUDU's.
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