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post #1531 of 1923
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I did notice recently that every channel on FiOS is using DD. FOr stereo , mono, music channels etc. At one point they were using pcm for the SD channels but maybe they switched to DD to save some bandwidth over the hundreds of SD channels they have.

Most satellite/cable services use AC3 or MP2. MP2 can't be bitstreamed to receivers so it's always decoded to PCM.

No broadcaster would use PCM, as most SD channels are only 1-3Mbps to begin with.

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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Still, I can't believe that 64Kbps stereo PCM would be listenable (the only thing you can get on the PC) and it actually sounds decent.

Indeed, it has to be a compressed format.

To determine the bitrate of a PCM stream you just take the sample rate * the bit depth * the number of channels.

48000 Hz * 16-bit * 2 = 1,536,000 bps = 1.5Mbps
44100 Hz * 16-bit * 2 = 1,411,200 bps = 1.4Mbps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_b...ulating_values

Knowing the bitrate and the number of channels, there are two unknown variables. We do know that with no compression, you're essentially looking at two mono channels. Meaning each channel would be 32kbps. Yeah right!

Even unlistenable-quality mono PCM audio is greater than 32kbps.

8820 Hz * 4-bit = 35,280 bps = 35kbps
post #1532 of 1923
how's the 3d on Vudu? i find the "3d" available on comcast on-demand unwatchable compared to real bluray 3d if that is any kind of reference point
post #1533 of 1923
I think on Friday they "briefly" had "Margin Call" at DVD release prices or $4.99 for 720p so I was all set to watch it that night and the price was "Still in Theaters" at $7.99 for 720p.
post #1534 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

I think on Friday they "briefly" had "Margin Call" at DVD release prices or $4.99 for 720p so I was all set to watch it that night and the price was "Still in Theaters" at $7.99 for 720p.

I'd still watch for $7.99. I think I'll check it out.
post #1535 of 1923
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Because the lossless encodings aren't scaleable like DD+. For instance, Netflix 5.1 sound is 384 Kbps DD+ and it sounds pretty sharp and a lot better than their stereo. DD+ on BDs is typically encoded at 1.5 Mbps. The lowest bit rate 5.1 True HD encoding I see listed at blu-raystats.com is 926 Kbps (16-bit, 48 KHz sample); all the rest are 1100 kbps and up. The lowest bit rate 5.1 DTS-HD MA track that I see is 1500+ kpbs, also 16 bit, 48 KHz. The bit rate of a lossless encoding is going to depend upon the quality and complexity of the source and get very high (fairly commonly 2-4 Mbps and higher, generally not affordable in a streaming encoding.

I dunno--maybe VUDU's already spending a lot of bits on their DD+, but I doubt it.

Well unless and until they can equal the lossless tracks on blue-ray disks, streaming will remain a secondary option for me.
post #1536 of 1923
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

384 Kbps is what Netflix says that they're using for 5.1 tracks (64 or 192 for stereo, depending upon available bandwidth--see the postscript at the end of this Netflix blog entry). I haven't heard any exact figures on what rate VUDU encodes their surround sound at.

I don't want a company encoding tracks any different than what the studio puts out. Why are they encoding anything? Leave it alone and provide exactly what is on the disks. If the bandwidth isn't there, don't pretend its "real" 7.1.
post #1537 of 1923
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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post

I don't want a company encoding tracks any different than what the studio puts out. Why are they encoding anything? Leave it alone and provide exactly what is on the disks. If the bandwidth isn't there, don't pretend its "real" 7.1.

Fine, but it ain't gonna happen any time soon. The lossless sound on BDs is often encoded at a higher bandwidth than Netflix's HD video; use of them would double the size of the stream and probably lower the number of people with network service fast enough to use it to a fraction of those who can use it now.

BTW, Netflix hasn't "pretended" that any of their sound is 7.1--it's 5.1 channel DD+ (a relative handful of BDs have been published with it anyway and I'd wager that very few people have set up 7.1 speaker systems in their homes). A/V-ophile quality video and audio isn't available in streaming video yet, and if that's what you require it's not for you.
post #1538 of 1923
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Originally Posted by oleus View Post

how's the 3d on Vudu? i find the "3d" available on comcast on-demand unwatchable compared to real bluray 3d if that is any kind of reference point

It is very good. I only go for the HDX (1080p) versions, but it looks great to us.
post #1539 of 1923
The 99 cent deal for Halloween flicks is pretty good. I can't see any difference in the 480p vs 1080p versions when watching the 2 minute previews. Some are only available in 480p but those also look good for the most part.
post #1540 of 1923
This. Apparently it will now be possible to download rentals from VUDU (PC only, I guess--maybe PS3), allowing customers with sub-streaming-speed network service to use VUDU. It will also be handy for travellers--they should make iOS and Android versions of their player and allow downloads of rentals into tablet memory.
post #1541 of 1923
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

This. Apparently it will now be possible to download rentals from VUDU (PC only, I guess--maybe PS3), allowing customers with sub-streaming-speed network service to use VUDU. It will also be handy for travellers--they should make iOS and Android versions of their player and allow downloads of rentals into tablet memory.

This has been available since the last update that also included 7.1 audio. I tried it on a couple of movies on my PS3 and it didn't work. The movies downloaded fine but would only playback the first 18-30 seconds, at that point playback just stopped and wouldn't go any further. That was a while back so maybe they've worked out the bugs, I may give it another shot.
post #1542 of 1923
PS3 downloads work fine for me. At first the wording of the update made me think that it was only for movies you "own" but sure enough, my rental worked too. The article linked above notes that it's for both on PS3, but only for purchases on PC. For my HDX purchase it gives me the option to download their app and then the SD version.

For PS3 rental downloads, it auto-deletes the file once your viewing period is expired, which could either be a convenience or an annoyance depending on how you look at it. If you don't manage to watch it all in time and decide to pay for another rental, you've gotta use up more bandwidth to grab it again.
post #1543 of 1923
I hadn't heard about it until their announcement today--I think that they just issued a PR. I read about it in some tech blog and then got piece of e-mail this afternoon (I see that I also got a tweet about it from their VUDUFans Twitter account). It's difficult to find any detailed description of how it works are what the limitations are. The e-mail has a little panel that says "VUDU To Go--download to your computer, watch later" with a link labelled "Show Now", which when you click it jus4t takes you to film selection on VUDU's web page. If they don't let you download rentals to PC (ala Amazon, Zune, CinemaNow, etc, etc), they're idiots; that's a major boon to travelers and something that they should work on allowing on tablets. Wireless Internet on airplanes, when available, is expensive and too slow for video streaming.

I'm not sure, but I suspect that the Kindle Fire is going to support downloading Amazon Instant Video into it (though it has miniscule internal memory--6GB out of 8GB available for local storage--and no memory card slot).

EDIT: I just downloaded the PS3 upgrade and rented the 99 cent movie of the day (Goodfellasto check it out. (Hadn't upgraded VUDU on my PS3--I generally only watch VUDU on my Panasonic BD player given that it draws about 1% so much power as my launch model 60GB PS3 and, having no fan, is always silent). The little note displayed when they ask you to accept the upgrade makes it sound as though you can only download purchased things, but it's obviously wrong.
post #1544 of 1923
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

This.

That link didn't work for me in Firefox 3.6. I tracked down the article at the source but it turns out I should have just examined the above link text. There's an extra "[/url" at the end messing things up.
post #1545 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Phantom Gremlin View Post

That link didn't work for me in Firefox 3.6. I tracked down the article at the source but it turns out I should have just examined the above link text. There's an extra "[/url" at the end messing things up.

Fixed. I usually check those--sorry.
post #1546 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Buckeye911 View Post

This has been available since the last update that also included 7.1 audio. I tried it on a couple of movies on my PS3 and it didn't work. The movies downloaded fine but would only playback the first 18-30 seconds, at that point playback just stopped and wouldn't go any further. That was a while back so maybe they've worked out the bugs, I may give it another shot.

This happened to me on the Vudu box that I own. I always have them downloaded and then watch later because I can't get internet speed higher than 3.0. Last download rental I did buffered a couple minutes into the movie and I ended up watching it in regular HD. I was pretty pissed.
post #1547 of 1923
For most Android devices they may wait until the Android 4.0 devices ship because the NDK has example source for streaming video where you can insert your own decryption code.
post #1548 of 1923
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

EDIT: I just downloaded the PS3 upgrade and rented the 99 cent movie of the day (Goodfellas) to check it out.

My download of this on the PS3 played just fine, BTW (though I haven't finished it yet). It weighed in at 9.6 GB, for an average of 8.77 Mbps over 146 minutes (if that 9.6GB is billions of bytes (gigabytes), 9.41 Mbps if its 2^30th bytes (gibibytes)).

If I log into VUDU on the PC, it sees that I have the film rented, but if I try to play it it doesn't offer to download it, just to stream it in SD. This may be because I already downloaded it to another device. Inasmuch as you can only play it in SD on a PC, the motive to download it isn't as strong, but it would still be nice to do that for travellers (though if I was traveling with a laptop, I'd prefer to load up with 720p stuff from Amazon or Zune).
post #1549 of 1923
I see VUDU is coming to the Xbox360! Later in December

http://www.examiner.com/console-gami...or-all-content

I don't know how I missed it when I looked at it yesterday.
post #1550 of 1923
I see under "Coming Soon" that Vudu is going to have a some more HBO series available.
post #1551 of 1923
Couple weeks ago i rented sanctum 3D on Vudu for PS3. i have a panny 58VT25. The movie played well for about 30 mins but would stop to buffer every 5mins thereafter. We stopped it as our patience started to wear thin.

I have Rogers 25mbps down service, whole house is wired with cat5e gigabit, i dont understand why this would happen. I hope maybe rogers or possibly vudu was having rare problems that night.

Anybody else have any problems or success streaming 3D on HDX?

Thanks
post #1552 of 1923
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Originally Posted by rsoares28 View Post

Couple weeks ago i rented sanctum 3D on Vudu for PS3. i have a panny 58VT25. The movie played well for about 30 mins but would stop to buffer every 5mins thereafter. We stopped it as our patience started to wear thin.

I have Rogers 25mbps down service, whole house is wired with cat5e gigabit, i dont understand why this would happen. I hope maybe rogers or possibly vudu was having rare problems that night.

Note that you now have the option of downloading HDX titles to the PS3 (or SD or HD). Full HDX is 9 Mbps so a 2 hour film should consume about 8 GB. It might take a while (if you're getting your full 25 Mbps down, it'd be 43 mins).

Before they added this recently (they call it VUDU to Go) it was a weakness versus Zune Video, which can be either streamed or downloaded to an Xbox. Now people who flat out don't have the bandwidth to stream HD or HDX (like common 2-3 Mbps service) can download and get the full monty . You can also load up your laptop for trips (they need to get that working for tableets).
post #1553 of 1923
I picked up the Panasonic DMP-BD75 as a spare Blu-ray player and VUDU streamer. It was a Gold Box Deal (last Wednesday) for $70 with a $10 Amazon credit. It arrived late yesterday but I had a chance to quickly set it up to watch Cowboys and Aliens using the $6 credit from VUDU. I put it into my equipment rack and plugged in the ethernet cable. This is a very basic player with no wireless capability and HDMI only for picture and sound although it does provide analog video and audio outputs. No component and no optical or coaxial output. I plugged the HDMI cable into my Denon receiver that supports Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA. Powered it on and went through the Easy Setup. It tested the LAN connection for one minute and showed a consistent speed of over 9 Mbps and deemed it ready to show HDX movies. I started up the movie and was pleased for the first few minutes until it stopped to buffer. Then it played for another minute or two and stopped again to buffer. It kept repeating this behavior for several minutes and finally VUDU asked if I wanted to lower my resolution to HD but I kept trying to make HDX work. I finally gave up and ended watching the movie in HD, actually a decent picture but clearly a step down from HDX. During both HDX and HD my Denon receiver's blue light was illuminated and the front panel showed Dolby Digital Plus so the sound was stellar. Not really sure what to make of this experience since I have been using my Roku XD for streaming Amazon and Netflix without any real problems. It was a Friday night so maybe there was a lot of traffic on my internet node. I'm planning on testing Netflix on the Panasonic tonight.

Addition: You can't use this player for Amazon streaming at this time.
post #1554 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

I picked up the Panasonic DMP-BD75 as a spare Blu-ray player and VUDU streamer. It was a Gold Box Deal (last Wednesday) for $70 with a $10 Amazon credit. It arrived late yesterday but I had a chance to quickly set it up to watch Cowboys and Aliens using the $6 credit from VUDU. I put it into my equipment rack and plugged in the ethernet cable. This is a very basic player with no wireless capability and HDMI only for picture and sound although it does provide analog video and audio outputs. No component and no optical or coaxial output. I..................


Starting in January 2013, no BD players will be made with any analog outputs. Personally I've preferred to have only HDMI outputs on my devices for years. But they typically have the legacy analog , and optical/coaxial outputs which I haven't needed in a long time.
post #1555 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

I picked up the Panasonic DMP-BD75 as a spare Blu-ray player and VUDU streamer. It was a Gold Box Deal (last Wednesday) for $70 with a $10 Amazon credit. It arrived late yesterday but I had a chance to quickly set it up to watch Cowboys and Aliens using the $6 credit from VUDU. I put it into my equipment rack and plugged in the ethernet cable. This is a very basic player with no wireless capability and HDMI only for picture and sound although it does provide analog video and audio outputs. No component and no optical or coaxial output. I plugged the HDMI cable into my Denon receiver that supports Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA. Powered it on and went through the Easy Setup. It tested the LAN connection for one minute and showed a consistent speed of over 9 Mbps and deemed it ready to show HDX movies. I started up the movie and was pleased for the first few minutes until it stopped to buffer. Then it played for another minute or two and stopped again to buffer. It kept repeating this behavior for several minutes and finally VUDU asked if I wanted to lower my resolution to HD but I kept trying to make HDX work. I finally gave up and ended watching the movie in HD, actually a decent picture but clearly a step down from HDX. During both HDX and HD my Denon receiver's blue light was illuminated and the front panel showed Dolby Digital Plus so the sound was stellar. Not really sure what to make of this experience since I have been using my Roku XD for streaming Amazon and Netflix without any real problems. It was a Friday night so maybe there was a lot of traffic on my internet node. I'm planning on testing Netflix on the Panasonic tonight.

Addition: You can't use this player for Amazon streaming at this time.

How did the HDX video quality look when it was working properly? How does this quality compare to Blu-ray 1080p24 content, assuming you have a very high end display tat is capable of rendering all the super fine details from Blu-ray? I would like to do streaming but always feel I would be leaving some image quality on the table by streaming, and if I want the true experience I have to rent the Blu-ray. But I'm wondering if that thinking is flawed or justified. Thanks.
post #1556 of 1923
I tried watching a few 3D trailers from the service on my Samsung 3D plasma. The black levels looked wrong - they were too high (blacks looked like brightness was set too high).

I can say with certainty though that my set is calibrated correctly including the brightness level in 3D. And this is not an issue when watching 2D trailers from the service, or when watching 3D movies from my Blu-ray player. Only an issue with the 3D trailers. I did not try the paid streaming 3D content yet but I'm assuming if the issue is there with the trailer it will be there with the movie too (which is why I haven't bought any yet!).

Thanks!
post #1557 of 1923
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

How did the HDX video quality look when it was working properly? How does this quality compare to Blu-ray 1080p24 content, assuming you have a very high end display tat is capable of rendering all the super fine details from Blu-ray? I would like to do streaming but always feel I would be leaving some image quality on the table by streaming, and if I want the true experience I have to rent the Blu-ray. But I'm wondering if that thinking is flawed or justified. Thanks.

While 3 bar HDX(9Mb/s MPEG4) is not BD quality, it is very good. Your average user would not be able to tell a difference. But AVS does not have average users.

I have no problem watching a movie from VUDU 3 bar HDX(although there is a big difference between 1 bar and 3 bar HDX). certain movies I will watch from VUDU(and Xbox Live), some I will rent the BD, and some I will purchase the BD. And there are still others that I will just watch from Netflix streaming in HD
post #1558 of 1923
while i thought the overall PQ was very good, i was surprised to see Hangove 2 cropped on VUDU. is it normal for them to crop 2.35:1 movies? i know they didn't do that with Inception.
post #1559 of 1923
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

I tried watching a few 3D trailers from the service on my Samsung 3D plasma. The black levels looked wrong - they were too high (blacks looked like brightness was set too high).

I can say with certainty though that my set is calibrated correctly including the brightness level in 3D. And this is not an issue when watching 2D trailers from the service, or when watching 3D movies from my Blu-ray player. Only an issue with the 3D trailers. I did not try the paid streaming 3D content yet but I'm assuming if the issue is there with the trailer it will be there with the movie too (which is why I haven't bought any yet!).

Thanks!

i tried some 3d trailers on VUDU and thought the 3d was terrible, bad black levels and ghosting everywhere.
post #1560 of 1923
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Originally Posted by oleus View Post

while i thought the overall PQ was very good, i was surprised to see Hangove 2 cropped on VUDU. is it normal for them to crop 2.35:1 movies? i know they didn't do that with Inception.

I've observed this before with some titles on Vudu. I'll typically use the 2-minute preview feature to check before actually purchasing a title.
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