Originally Posted by Ken H
Illegal or not, discussing illegal activity is not allowed at AVS.
Your 'rule of necessity' has nothing to do with legal requirements.
Hardly my rule.
United states law.
Many things are illegal in one part of the law and ruled legal by some over riding law or case law.
Often laws are passed for reasons of appearance knowing full well they are illegal laws to start with.
So personal use is "illegal" now?
Then everything I do with my video system is now illegal.
And I would remind you that just because one,line says you can't do something, does not mean it is illegal.
You have to know case law and context to even have a clue.
Many things the public thinks are illegal, are only illegal when done to commit fraud or to advance some other crime.
I recently read all the dmv case law where I live to win a case.
(And yes, intensely boring.)
Virtually every "law" had been modified by case law, including my issue.
Reading the basic law by itself, meant nothing without the case law that follows it.
A law is like a contract.
It's just words on paper until tested in a courtroom.
The question really is why is open discussion not allowed on here?
Many of these points will be unclear as to legality for years.
It is a bizarre thing to try to argue what is legal on a forum that isn't westlaw.
The idea seems to be to squelch all discussion, which is surely part of the intent of the writers of such nonsense laws.
Why play sucker to that?
Every tv drama discusses how to commit crimes, on the part of criminals and the police.
The idea that not talking about something makes it go away, has been disproved, in all contexts, including magical thinking.
Will this forum discourage use or spend all it's time arguing points that will not be answered until a court rules?
I can point out endless state laws that contravene federal law and have no force at all.
And the same applies to local laws.
And to federal law that contradicts itself or conflicts with confirmed law.
Many particularly outrageous laws are kept on the books by backing down whenever anyone challenges them, because they know they will lose.
As for corporations writing laws, read the papers and talk to your representatives.
They even keep statistics on this.
It isn't a secret.
Read the disney copyright laws for a good example.
(If you bounce a check at a grocery store here, it is a totally different set of rules from anywhere else. Guess who wrote that?)
I only see a problem if some technical approach is discussed without full disclosure about existing laws and practices.
I take note that the fcc has indulged in such selective non-enforcement as to become a superfluous agency, for instance.
Examples of how much the law really means to companies and governments-
Best Buy collected sales tax on cecbs in Tennessee well aware of the criminal activity involved.
The State of Tennessee asked everyone to collect sales tax on cecbs knowing it was violating federal law.
They don't care.
Free speech is not a crime.