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post #2011 of 2418
Finally received mine today what a nice looking unit. Will put it through it's test for the next few nights.
post #2012 of 2418
Well, I hate to admit defeat, but sadly I am giving up on trying to get the multi-channel analog audio of the BDP-S5000ES to play nice with the rest of my system. Although it may be inferior in build quality and perhaps performance, my Oppo BDP-83 doesn't cause me any heartburn when trying to configure and balance the M-CH analog outs and integrates seamlessly with my other components. I haven't made a final decision yet, but I'll probably just end up selling it rather than letting it sit in my closet collecting dust, awaiting the day that I have a dedicated theater room with a projector and large screen. My current 50" plasma doesn't really allow me to take advantage of any superior video performance that the S5000ES may offer over the Oppo.
post #2013 of 2418
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

When the Sony BDP-S5000ES first appeared, What Hi Fi Magazine did a shootpout beteween it and the Pioneer '09 and the Denon 3800 blu-ray players, and the sony S5000ES was heralded as having the best sound from the analog outs of the three units.

I found their review of the S5000ES, which they gave it 5 stars, but I couldn't find the shootout you mentioned. The site's only comparison was between the S5000ES and the Denon Denon DVD-2500BT. I also came across a not so flattering review from Home Theater Magazine and a pretty solid review from the Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity website.

While I don't put a lot of stock (biased towards some manufacturers) in the What Hi Fi site I would be interested in reading this shootout; especially since they also gave the Pioneer BDP-LX91 5 stars and the Denon DVD-3800BDCI 4 stars.

Outside of objective measurements the balance of any review whether professional or by a layman is purely subjective, but they do make for a good read from time to time.
post #2014 of 2418
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

I found their review of the S5000ES, which they gave it 5 stars, but I couldn't find the shootout you mentioned. The site's only comparison was between the S5000ES and the Denon Denon DVD-2500BT. I also came across a not so flattering review from Home Theater Magazine and a pretty solid review from the Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity website.

While I don't put a lot of stock (biased towards some manufacturers) in the What Hi Fi site I would be interested in reading this shootout; especially since they also gave the Pioneer BDP-LX91 5 stars and the Denon DVD-3800BDCI 4 stars.

Outside of objective measurements the balance of any review whether professional or by a layman is purely subjective, but they do make for a good read from time to time.


What you were looking at is an abridged version of the review. I saw the original reveiw and it was quite extensive being at least 4 to 6 pages. I tried to find the whole review, but instead I found the one you are speaking about. The review by Home Theater was laughable to say the least.I think it was written by a guy named Kris Steering. His review was so myopic and biased he mentioned nothing about the analog section of the S5000ES. This unit was primarily designed to accomodate individuals who had either component video or who had analog RCA pass through inputs and did not havd HDMI to get the new surround codecs. Home Theater did not address this, but rather concentrated on petty issues one rarely sees in normal video watching. I lost respect for the author after reading it.
post #2015 of 2418
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Finally received mine today what a nice looking unit. Will put it through it's test for the next few nights.

Hi Franin,
Glad to hear you got a 5000ES. I've had mine for a couple of years now and have been very happy with it. It also plays nice with my Duo. I see on the Duo forum you have been having some issues with your Oppo and the Duo.

Regards,
Stephen


My Home Theatre
post #2016 of 2418
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Originally Posted by whmacs View Post


Hi Franin,
Glad to hear you got a 5000ES. I've had mine for a couple of years now and have been very happy with it. It also plays nice with my Duo. I see on the Duo forum you have been having some issues with your Oppo and the Duo.

Regards,
Stephen


My Home Theatre

Thanks Stephen. The Sony seems to go ok on it's first night. build quality is nice too.

Regarding the Oppo Bdp 93 the issue has been fixed. Oppo emailed me and told me to put the hdmi cable in hdmi 2 which has no video processor and worked a treat.
post #2017 of 2418
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post
Thanks Stephen. The Sony seems to go ok on it's first night. build quality is nice too.

Regarding the Oppo Bdp 93 the issue has been fixed. Oppo emailed me and told me to put the hdmi cable in hdmi 2 which has no video processor and worked a treat.
That doesn't sound like a fix, more like a work-around and limited performance. Hope you like your 5000ES, love mine.
post #2018 of 2418
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Originally Posted by KONICA TECH View Post
That doesn't sound like a fix, more like a work-around and limited performance. Hope you like your 5000ES, love mine.
I like the 5000ES at the moment it's working well.
post #2019 of 2418
I am using PS3 for 2 channel SACD playback through its analog output. Sounds pretty good actually, but I wish I had surround, but this will do for now. I used to use PS3 for everything with HDMI but I sold off my HK AVR 745 and bought an older NAD T763 and I love the sound but lack of HDMI does pose a slight inconvenience sometimes. I still wish the S5000 was like the Oppo 95. The only reason I did not spend $1000 for the 95 is because I could get the S5000ES for $350! Oh well. I am wondering if it is worth it to buy an old 2 channel SACD player like the S9000ES. I have seen them on ebay. I have used my multi channel analog on my receiver (for the S5000). I am using the PS3 for it now but it is pretty inconvenient. I have to choose two channel SACD playback from the monitor (which is my project) or operate the remote blindly. Sometimes makes me want a simpler pop in a disc and play solution.
post #2020 of 2418
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Thanks Stephen. The Sony seems to go ok on it's first night. build quality is nice too.

Regarding the Oppo Bdp 93 the issue has been fixed. Oppo emailed me and told me to put the hdmi cable in hdmi 2 which has no video processor and worked a treat.

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Originally Posted by KONICA TECH View Post

That doesn't sound like a fix, more like a work-around and limited performance. Hope you like your 5000ES, love mine.

Konica,

Unless I'm missing something I don't see how this was not a fix as opposed to a workaround and how did he lose performance? It is common sometimes that standalone video processors and the video in the processor in the transport don't play well together. It nice that the 93 has dual HDMI output to resolve such a problem.
post #2021 of 2418
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

What you were looking at is an abridged version of the review. I saw the original reveiw and it was quite extensive being at least 4 to 6 pages. I tried to find the whole review, but instead I found the one you are speaking about. The review by Home Theater was laughable to say the least.I think it was written by a guy named Kris Steering. His review was so myopic and biased he mentioned nothing about the analog section of the S5000ES. This unit was primarily designed to accomodate individuals who had either component video or who had analog RCA pass through inputs and did not havd HDMI to get the new surround codecs. Home Theater did not address this, but rather concentrated on petty issues one rarely sees in normal video watching. I lost respect for the author after reading it.

gbaby,

I was on a European forum and another poster mentioned the article. I PM'd the poster to see if by chance he may have copied or downloaded the article. I normally copy into a word document or download articles into a .pdf file for future reference. It's good to look back sometimes to reread an article that may have influenced a buying decision.


Willie
post #2022 of 2418
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post


gbaby,

I was on a European forum and another poster mentioned the article. I PM'd the poster to see if by chance he may have copied or downloaded the article. I normally copy into a word document or download articles into a .pdf file for future reference. It's good to look back sometimes to reread an article that may have influenced a buying decision.

Willie

Id love to have a read of that review. I was trying to find it but no luck.
post #2023 of 2418
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

gbaby,

I was on a European forum and another poster mentioned the article. I PM’d the poster to see if by chance he may have copied or downloaded the article. I normally copy into a word document or download articles into a .pdf file for future reference. It’s good to look back sometimes to reread an article that may have influenced a buying decision.


Willie

I agree 100%. In fact, I keep all articles on equipment I purchase for the same reason you do, i.e., its good to reread articles that influenced your buying decision. I hope you can find the article, too.
post #2024 of 2418
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post


I agree 100%. In fact, I keep all articles on equipment I purchase for the same reason you do, i.e., its good to reread articles that influenced your buying decision. I hope you can find the article, too.

It's funny how most of us are all the same I always like to go back and read my equipment reviews.
post #2025 of 2418
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

It's funny how most of us are all the same I always like to go back and read my equipment reviews.

True my friend, I still have the review from a pair of Large Advent's I purchased over 30 years ago.
post #2026 of 2418
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Konica,

Unless I'm missing something I don't see how this was not a fix as opposed to a workaround and how did he lose performance? It is common sometimes that standalone video processors and the video in the processor in the transport don't play well together. It nice that the 93 has dual HDMI output to resolve such a problem.

Not the right place to discuss this issue...see you on the 93 forums.

Or you can jump over to the iScan duo's thread and read all about it.
You are giving up all the advantage of the "great processors" that the Oppo has when you use HDMI2, Why, because it has a problem. I only have one HDMI out my 5000, and have a iScan Duo with no problems using both processors.
I remain at it was a "workaround" and not a fix that Oppo is handing out.
post #2027 of 2418
I reported earlier that my BDP-S5000ES would not play any blu-ray disc. Someone from Sony saw my message and directed my to send it in for repair. I sent it in a little over a week ago, and when I called to check on it, I was told it was shipped back to me yesterday. I call this excellant service, and I have to give Sony Service an A+. The unit was shipped to the repair service in Laredo, Texas.
post #2028 of 2418
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

I reported earlier that my BDP-S5000ES would not play any blu-ray disc. Someone from Sony saw my message and directed my to send it in for repair. I sent it in a little over a week ago, and when I called to check on it, I was told it was shipped back to me yesterday. I call this excellant service, and I have to give Sony Service an A+. The unit was shipped to the repair service in Laredo, Texas.

Did they say what the cause was?
post #2029 of 2418
Hi all im running my player with Rs232 commands but for some reason Sony has not provided the open/close command. Is anyone using Rs232 on the Sony BDP5000ES and has success in getting the open/close command?
post #2030 of 2418
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post
Did they say what the cause was?
Yes. It was a blu-ray laser failure. The problem started about a year ago when it would not play my Phil Collins Live blu-ray. It got progressively worst to the point it played no blu-rays. Standard DVDs have always played. So if your unit stops playing blu-rays, send it in for repair.
post #2031 of 2418
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Originally Posted by gbaby

Yes. It was a blu-ray laser failure. The problem started about a year ago when it would not play my Phil Collins Live blu-ray. It got progressively worst to the point it played no blu-rays. Standard DVDs have always played. So if your unit stops playing blu-rays, send it in for repair.
Thanks for that gbaby
post #2032 of 2418
I have a old gen1 PS3 (20GB, no Wifi). I was ready to get rid of it because I hardly play games and I bought a Sony S5000ES recently. But I kept it just in case I play any SACDs. Well, it saved our evening today. My wife and I rented "Charlie St. Cloud" (not that good a movie) in Bluray from Blockbuster online. We put it into the S5000ES and it just kept trying to mount the disc but could not. Finally, I gave up and ejected it. That also took a long time. Then I looked at the disc. It had several scratches and a couple of big ones. Normally, I have not seen BDs this bad. I was about to send it back to Blockbuster. Then I thought, let me put it into the PS3. I did and voila it played it even though during the movie it skipped a couple of scenes. But, our evening was saved by the PS3.

I have decided to keep the PS3!
post #2033 of 2418
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Hi all im running my player with Rs232 commands but for some reason Sony has not provided the open/close command. Is anyone using Rs232 on the Sony BDP5000ES and has success in getting the open/close command?

Anyone? I'm sure some there must be others using the RS232.
I've emailed Sony hoping to get an answer.
post #2034 of 2418
Going by research there is no eject command in RS232. No big deal but kinda silly.
post #2035 of 2418
My BDP-S5000ES has been returned from Laredo, Texas for warranty repair, and as I suspected, it was a blu-ray failure. I have been using my Sony BDP-S1000ES while the unit was being repaired, and I can say, as I've said before that the analog outs on the S5000ES so exceed the sound of the S1000ES that its almost unbelieveable. Also, the component output of the S5000ES exceeds the performance of the S1000ES considerable making the S1000ES almost unbearable to watch. Its the analog video and audio sections which makes the S5000ES shines.
post #2036 of 2418
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

My BDP-S5000ES has been returned from Laredo, Texas for warranty repair, and as I suspected, it was a blu-ray failure. I have been using my Sony BDP-S1000ES while the unit was being repaired, and I can say, as I've said before that the analog outs on the S5000ES so exceed the sound of the S1000ES that its almost unbelieveable. Also, the component output of the S5000ES exceeds the performance of the S1000ES considerable making the S1000ES almost unbearable to watch. Its the analog video and audio sections which makes the S5000ES shines.

Good to hear gbaby.
post #2037 of 2418
Hello Franin.

I have a question for you about the S5000ES. Does it decode DTS-HD/MA, convert to PCM and send via HDMI to a non DTS-HD/MA decoding pre-pro or AVR? If not, has Sony created a firmware update to allow the 5000 to do so?

Thanks Buddy.
post #2038 of 2418
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Originally Posted by ldgibson76 View Post

Hello Franin.

I have a question for you about the S5000ES. Does it decode DTS-HD/MA, convert to PCM and send via HDMI to a non DTS-HD/MA decoding pre-pro or AVR? If not, has Sony created a firmware update to allow the 5000 to do so?

Thanks Buddy.

Yes it does!! Make sure you select PCM on audio menu in the Sony. Your Amp should show PCM.
post #2039 of 2418
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Yes it does!! Make sure you select PCM on audio menu in the Sony. Your Amp should show PCM.

Thanks a lot my friend. By the way, I looked at your gallery again! Geez Frank! Your system is out of control! That's a compliment of the highest order! The 6-pack of BD players is just insane! I do understand the need for all of them, basically to accommodate any region playback. The room looks fantastic.

Thanks again for your help and encouragement.
post #2040 of 2418
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Originally Posted by ldgibson76 View Post


Thanks a lot my friend. By the way, I looked at your gallery again! Geez Frank! Your system is out of control! That's a compliment of the highest order! The 6-pack of BD players is just insane! I do understand the need for all of them, basically to accommodate any region playback. The room looks fantastic.

Thanks again for your help and encouragement.

I went to go and double check just in case ( I'm at work ) and im surprised that it doesn't do decoding of DTS HD MA into PCM via HDMI. I apologise ldgibson, unless someone else can let me know different. I've only had the player for a couple of weeks I was under the assumption that it did without question. Why it doesn't do it is beyond me especially for what it used to retail. Once again sorry.

I found this site
http://www.televisions.com/players/S...-S-5000-ES.php

I should of doubled checked it first
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