or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Blu-ray & HD DVD › Blu-ray Players › The SONY BDP-S5000ES Owner's Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The SONY BDP-S5000ES Owner's Thread - Page 71

post #2101 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnosys View Post

There are two separate DACs in the 5K. We hashed thru this about ten or fifteen pages ago...

I don't see two different DACs being used for the same analog output. The two channel output has its own differential dac. And the 7.1 channel output has its own set of non-differential DACs. I don't think the audio priority has anything to do with what DACs are used. It is more for handling the dsp load. For example, if multi channel is used then the dsp is focussed on getting7.1 audio out and does not process Audio for sending through hdmi. If hdmi is used, the multichannel 7.1 outputs 2 channel only. I don't think any of this affects the 2 channel output. Just my educated guess.
post #2102 of 2418
It's not a matter of "thinking," just let your ears tell you. There's a huge audible difference - if you've got components capable of revealing those differences.
I really don't want to argue about it. It is what it is. There are two DACs and setting the audio priority for multi-channel makes an audible difference in both the 2ch and multi-channel outs. The two channel DAC sux big time, probably because Sony figured this player is primarily going to be used for MC.
Anyway, if you can't hear it, enjoy what you do hear! That's what the hobby is about.
post #2103 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnosys View Post

There's a huge audible difference - if you've got components capable of revealing those differences.

Agreed. The difference is not subtle. I was shocked at the change when selecting multi-channel priority in the audio menu. I only use the unit for redbook cd - an amazing feat of engineering for Sony (and so over looked in reviews which concentrated on the video side).
post #2104 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by DDailey View Post


Agreed. The difference is not subtle. I was shocked at the change when selecting multi-channel priority in the audio menu. I only use the unit for redbook cd - an amazing feat of engineering for Sony (and so over looked in reviews which concentrated on the video side).

I have the S5000 hooked up to my NAD T775HD using hdmi, 7.1 ch analog as well as 2 ch analog. I have audio priority set to hdmi since I wanted to use the audyssey eq on the NAD. Are you telling me that my cd play back through analog 2 ch will improve if I change the priority to Multi channel analog? Hmm.
post #2105 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by bommai View Post

I have the S5000 hooked up to my NAD T775HD using hdmi, 7.1 ch analog as well as 2 ch analog. I have audio priority set to hdmi since I wanted to use the audyssey eq on the NAD. Are you telling me that my cd play back through analog 2 ch will improve if I change the priority to Multi channel analog? Hmm.

yes, I was suspicious too. Try it, I was stunned!
post #2106 of 2418
So instead of using the dedicated analog stereo outs for my high end headphone rig, I should use the L/R fronts multi and set to multi priority and let the magic happen. This sounds very strange to me but I'll give it a try and report back. Gary
post #2107 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by guss2 View Post

So instead of using the dedicated analog stereo outs for my high end headphone rig, I should use the L/R fronts multi and set to multi priority and let the magic happen. This sounds very strange to me but I'll give it a try and report back. Gary

No! Assuming you have full range Front left and right speakers, you should set your S5000ES and use the stereo outs of the S5000ES.
post #2108 of 2418
I don't have HDMI. When using the stereo outs it sends full range to the front L/R speakers and that DAC produces very good quality sound but without a Subwoofer. When I use the MC channel outs that DAC has more detail AND uses the subwoofer for a much better overall sound. Granted I don't have full range L/R's but I would venture to guess that it would take some very high end L/R's to make the stereo outs sound better than the MC outs and even then I think it one would need to prefer a laid back sound vs a more detailed sound.
post #2109 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by guss2 View Post

I should use the L/R fronts multi and set to multi priority Gary

As long as you set priority to multi-channel, you can use either one (let your ears tell you, as was stated above). I can use both and can A/B easily, the stereo outs have a smoother treble but less detail, and the L/R outs have more detail through out the spectrum. This should be very apparent in a headphone rig (as I use one also). All of this is so system dependent, but on mine, so glad I discovered this in above thread.
post #2110 of 2418
Hi,

Just say G'day to all dudes.

Picked up mine a few days ago, & I couldn't be any happier with my new babe, lovely piece of work!
post #2111 of 2418
Just got my unit on Saturday and hooked it up last night. I have to say it is a very well built machine. I'm using multichannel analog outs into my receiver. When I go to set the levels for my speakers and turn on test tone, there is no output whatsover from the sub. The sub level doesn't allow me to turn up just down. But still there should be some sort of sound coming out of the sub with the test tone, right? Am I missing something.
post #2112 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken54321 View Post

Just got my unit on Saturday and hooked it up last night. I have to say it is a very well built machine. I'm using multichannel analog outs into my receiver. When I go to set the levels for my speakers and turn on test tone, there is no output whatsover from the sub. The sub level doesn't allow me to turn up just down. But still there should be some sort of sound coming out of the sub with the test tone, right? Am I missing something.

Most BD players output a LFE signal 10db too low when compared to the other channels. How high did you turn up your main volume on the amplifier to try to hear the sub? If that is your issue, you will have to decrease the levels of all your other channels to balance the LFE with it. Then run your amp that much higher all the time. Of course that increases noise and distortion and can throw off your other sources which use the sub.

This is why I gave up on using my analog connections between the BD player (a BDP-S1000es, in my case) and receiver - and switched to a newer high powered receiver with hdmi connections and capable of decoding lossless audio codecs. That has been a very satisfying solution.
post #2113 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken54321 View Post

Just got my unit on Saturday and hooked it up last night. I have to say it is a very well built machine. I'm using multichannel analog outs into my receiver. When I go to set the levels for my speakers and turn on test tone, there is no output whatsover from the sub. The sub level doesn't allow me to turn up just down. But still there should be some sort of sound coming out of the sub with the test tone, right? Am I missing something.

I have my S5000ES connected to an Arcam AV9 analog inputs. However, the Arcam has a means by which you can boost the analog bass input by 10db and this works great for me. If you do not have that capability, try decreasing all channels on the S5000ES to -12db, however, leave the sub a zero. Its "jackleg" but its works to a limited degree.
post #2114 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaby View Post


I have my S5000ES connected to an Arcam AV9 analog inputs. However, the Arcam has a means by which you can boost the analog bass input by 10db and this works great for me. If you do not have that capability, try decreasing all channels on the S5000ES to -12db, however, leave the sub a zero. Its "jackleg" but its works to a limited degree.

Many av receivers have the ability to save separate settings for channel levels based on source inputs. My old hk ave 745 had that ability by changing channel levels from global to independent. My NAD t763 and 775hd do it using presets. NAD can do -12 to +12 dB for each channel. Also instead of relying on built in test tones I use a calibration disc. I calibrated my NAD for both digital and analog using different source and preset configuration.
post #2115 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich86 View Post

Most BD players output a LFE signal 10db too low when compared to the other channels. How high did you turn up your main volume on the amplifier to try to hear the sub? If that is your issue, you will have to decrease the levels of all your other channels to balance the LFE with it. Then run your amp that much higher all the time. Of course that increases noise and distortion and can throw off your other sources which use the sub.

This is why I gave up on using my analog connections between the BD player (a BDP-S1000es, in my case) and receiver - and switched to a newer high powered receiver with hdmi connections and capable of decoding lossless audio codecs. That has been a very satisfying solution.

Wow - I didn't know that most BD players output a low lfe signal. I'll try to decrease the output for all other speakers. I actually went from a Pioneer bdp-320 to this Sony thinking that there was an issue with the Pioneer's analog subwoofer output. If I have to then increase volume on my preamp, won't it just increase background noise distortion?

I have an Integra Research Preamp/Pro 7.1 which was fairly expensive in its day and actually does a decent job other than this analog sub issue from my blu-ray players. I can't really upgrade pre/pro's right now.
post #2116 of 2418
well what do you know. I dropped back to this machine after selling my oppo 95 off. and guess what this baby still got it. ITs still a stunner for PQ and audio. Its better built than the 95 and it aint loose much at all thats really noticeable in speed. pretty amazing from the sony being what a 3 year old player now ? I'm really impressed actually given just how old my sony is ! have to say as well, in all that time not one disc issue. not one problem of any description. sony can indeed make a very nice player. and boy this one is sure a timeless beauty !
post #2117 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

well what do you know. I dropped back to this machine after selling my oppo 95 off. and guess what this baby still got it. ITs still a stunner for PQ and audio. Its better built than the 95 and it aint loose much at all thats really noticeable in speed. pretty amazing from the sony being what a 3 year old player now ? I'm really impressed actually given just how old my sony is ! have to say as well, in all that time not one disc issue. not one problem of any description. sony can indeed make a very nice player. and boy this one is sure a timeless beauty !

You know, I've had the S5000ES since around 2008 and I purchased the Oppo BDP-95 hoping I could get a blu-ray that plays all formats through its analog outs. The 95 did this, but guess what, I thought the sound was horrible in comparison to the Sony BDP-S5000ES. The 95 just did not get the mid range and highs right like the S5000ES which was open, clearer, and sweeter sounding in the highs and mid range whereas the 95 sounded course in the highs and mid range. I sent back the Oppo and instead purchased another S5000ES so now I have two. While the Oppo plays multichannel SACD, I simply could not get use to its sound. So, I'm glad I'm not the only one who preferred the S5000ES to the Oppo BDP-95. In fact, I posted my sonic findings on the Oppo 95 thread, and was all but crucified for being honest.
post #2118 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

well what do you know. I dropped back to this machine after selling my oppo 95 off. and guess what this baby still got it. ITs still a stunner for PQ and audio. Its better built than the 95 and it aint loose much at all thats really noticeable in speed. pretty amazing from the sony being what a 3 year old player now ? I'm really impressed actually given just how old my sony is ! have to say as well, in all that time not one disc issue. not one problem of any description. sony can indeed make a very nice player. and boy this one is sure a timeless beauty !

Your absolutely right alebonau. My S5000ES has played every disc with no problems. Great unit.
post #2119 of 2418
Well been on the fence for a while, but think I'll pick one up to complement my Denon 3800 before they're all gone. Seems that most posting on this thread are happy with the 5000ES, especially at current closeout prices. I'm an analog type guy, with 5.1 currently feeding into a Krell Showcase Processor and a Cary Cinema 5 amp. Picture comes by way of a Pioneer Kuro plasma. Guessing all I'll need is a firmware update.

Can anyone tell me the current firmware version on the closeouts? Thanks.
post #2120 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by dealer6871 View Post

Well been on the fence for a while, but think I'll pick one up to complement my Denon 3800 before they're all gone. Seems that most posting on this thread are happy with the 5000ES, especially at current closeout prices. I'm an analog type guy, with 5.1 currently feeding into a Krell Showcase Processor and a Cary Cinema 5 amp. Picture comes by way of a Pioneer Kuro plasma. Guessing all I'll need is a firmware update.

Can anyone tell me the current firmware version on the closeouts? Thanks.

I think these firmware updates for the S5000ES as inconsequential. I purchased my second 5000ES in September '11 and have yet to update it. But, if you must, you can go to Sony's web site or simply connect it directly to a router and it will do so automatically.
post #2121 of 2418
Thanks. I'll see what it comes with on Thursday. I know some never update unless there's a problem, but I've always updated my players and have never run into a downside. Just figured manufactures must run the updates for some reason.
post #2122 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

You have not missed the S5000ES when they had some for sale. Call the Sound Seller as they have a ton of them. I just ordered another one and it arrived two days later.

Just a heads up that Sony Factory Stores have brand new (A-stock) BDPS5000ES players on sale for $249.97 and factory refurbished units (B-stock with full 5 year ES warranty) for $199.97 while supplies last.
post #2123 of 2418
I setup this player on Saturday and updated the firmware to .24, which Sony said added frame by frame and slow motion. Tested and both worked. I was replacing a Denon BDP-3800, which I'll use in another room. I was a little concerned because I'm using analog 5.1 audio and the speaker adjustments were more limited than the Denon, so I had to make a few compromises. I was however, happy with the results.

The Sony BDP-5000Es is one great player. I know it's an "old" design and doesn't have all the bells and whistles like the Oppo, but the picture and audio are stunning when compared to my 3800 and previous Pioneer 05. This player is not for everyone, but if you're still using analog audio with a good processor/amp or receiver through good speakers, it's definately worth the $400.00 and some change that one authorized dealer is charging for a brand new unit.
post #2124 of 2418
Thanks for the tip!! I just got one for $216 after tax. It is a brand new unit but label as B stock due the general condition of the box.

I was very tempted to buy another one but I already have two.


Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlosC View Post

Just a heads up that Sony Factory Stores have brand new (A-stock) BDPS5000ES players on sale for $249.97 and factory refurbished units (B-stock with full 5 year ES warranty) for $199.97 while supplies last.
post #2125 of 2418
I just confirmed those prices at the Miami,FL location but when I asked about the warranty on both I was told the new model comes with a 1 year warranty and the refurb comes with a 3 month warranty. I said don't they comes with full 5 year ES warranties and she said that's a seperate warranty upgrade charge. I'm hoping she was just mistaken because I really want another unit especially at this price. Can anyone confirm this? Gary
post #2126 of 2418
Geez dude don't sweat the warranty! If you can get a brand-new 500 for $250 just do it.

I figured CarlosC's post was in error, that there was "no way" these would be available NEW any more--if you got one for that price then I hate you!
post #2127 of 2418
I was thinking the exact same thing and these machines are built like tanks anyway. I only wish I had the funds to buy two more of them, but it's too close to Christmas amd I don't think the wife would approve. Gary
post #2128 of 2418
No error. SONY is on a fire sale for this player. I got mine in Mercedes, TX. I believe there were only a few left. Grab yours while you can !!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

Geez dude don't sweat the warranty! If you can get a brand-new 500 for $250 just do it.

I figured CarlosC's post was in error, that there was "no way" these would be available NEW any more--if you got one for that price then I hate you!
post #2129 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

Geez dude don't sweat the warranty! If you can get a brand-new 500 for $250 just do it.

I figured CarlosC's post was in error, that there was "no way" these would be available NEW any more--if you got one for that price then I hate you!

Laser,

I am with you on this one. Even at $250 for a refurb it would be a great price. I was fortunate enough to secure one at a great price several months ago and I didn't even need another transport. So, it now works side by side with my Oppo BDP-95 and Yamaha DVD-S1800BL. Life is good.
post #2130 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

I was fortunate enough to secure one at a great price several months ago and I didn't even need another transport. So, it now works side by side with my Oppo BDP-95 and Yamaha DVD-S1800BL.

Yeah I got the great AVScience deal, and already had a BDP-S1000ES and LG BH200.

But I will cherish my 5000 for many years as I have my DVP-7000 (yes I still have it, and it is a thing of beauty like the 5000).
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Blu-ray Players
AVS › AVS Forum › Blu-ray & HD DVD › Blu-ray Players › The SONY BDP-S5000ES Owner's Thread