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post #2221 of 2418
Intro:

For a while Blu-ray discs only used the protections that they were designed with: AACS (mandatory) and BD+ (optionally). Because they failed to do the job, studios started to look in other directions: some used audio watermark known as Cinavia, some used structural protection, much like the ones used for DVDs (eg. ARccOS, RipGuard, etc).

For Blu-ray, it was Sony DADC division that created the Screen Pass protection, which was adopted by Eagle Pictures (Italy), Summit Entertainment (USA/Canada) and others (see the table below).

How it works:

Sony DADC Screen Pass is a Java based (BD-J) structural protection and it tries to determine if the disc that is played is original or it is a clone. In the later case, the user receives a black screen with a message saying that the original disc should be used, no ripping tools allowed, visit something.continuemovie.com etc. and playback is either stopped or affected (segments of the movie are swapped around, repeated or in wrong order).

Discs with Sony DADC Screen Pass protection:

House on Haunted Hill
Twilight Saga: Eclipse
Sammy’s Adventures 3D
King’s Speech
LOTR trilogy (Extended)
Source Code
Sanctum 3D
Limitless
Gooische Vrouwen
Warrior
Master and Commander
Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn 1
The Three Musketeers (2011)
The Three Musketeers 3D (2011)

http://www.sonydadc.com/en/manage/di...ass-for-video/
post #2222 of 2418
The Cinavia Encryption copy protection for Blu-ray disc is not implemented in firmware version 024 and below. But Sony is updating the firmware for other models with the Cinavia Encryption copy protection. See below.

Date released: 06/03/2012
Name: Blu-ray player firmware to version M07.R.0615
Applicable models: BDP-S480, BDP-S485, BDP-S580, BDP-S780

Benefits and improvements:

BRAVIA Internet Video connectivity improvement.
This update includes Cinavia content protection technology
post #2223 of 2418
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Originally Posted by boe View Post


Still love it. If they updated the tech a couple of years and added streaming, I'd buy a new Sony BR ES player but all I see from SOny these days are low end devices.

I bought A Sony bdp-s1700es in the fall of 2010. Not the build quality of the 5000 but does play sacd and wifi. Also has built in memory. Main reason I purchased was 5 year warranty.
post #2224 of 2418
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Originally Posted by johanverschuren View Post

Intro:

For a while Blu-ray discs only used the protections that they were designed with...

Quote:
Originally Posted by johanverschuren View Post

The Cinavia Encryption copy protection for Blu-ray disc is not implemented in firmware version 024...

Can you explain please, since this has no bearing on the BDP-S5000ES, why you are posting here?
post #2225 of 2418
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Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

Can you explain please, since this has no bearing on the BDP-S5000ES, why you are posting here?

I think he is passing on a warning to be careful and read carefully any new firmware notifications for this player - or any player, for that matter. You can no longer trust that new firmware offerings are always 100% in the best interests of the customer. You may find very undesirable components in the firmware (such as cinavia processing). Whether it matters to you or not depends on how you use your players, whether or not you make backup copies or stream videos from a server, etc. If all you do - and all you will ever do - is play store bought original pressing blu-ray's & dvd's then it may not be an issue for you. But once your player has installed a firmware infected with cinavia - there is currently no way back out.
Some other Sony player models are having their advertised streaming capabilities disabled - requiring customers to install a new firmware infected with cinavia before streaming will work going forward. I do not believe the S5000es has any streaming capabilities, but be attentive to other potential ways Sony may try to hold their customers hostage to their obsession with cinavia with a required firmware update . . . .
My Sony players all work just fine as is . . no cinavia needed or wanted thank you . . .
post #2226 of 2418
I, for one, appreciate the warning. I do indeed playback only store-bought BDs, and the player is not even connected to the internet, and this highlights a major reason why (my HT is completely closed-circuit). I guess firmware 024 is where my player stays for the foreseeable future...
post #2227 of 2418
I still love mine, also a closed environment, not connected to internet. Just use for blu-ray (HDMI) and analog DACS (for CD, which are stunning). I'm just fine with "hard" media - I will always choose analog over 1's & 0's anytime I have the choice, but when not, this player really steps up when called upon for redbook. I also own the BDP-370 (which does DSD direct via HDMI) for the SACD's I own (which is all I bought it for-impressive). I do find 24/96 out of my MacBook to my AVR (Yamaha RX-A3000) to be promising as far as streaming music goes. Glad I got one of these - last of the ES lineage from Sony - especially compared to the build quality of the 370.
post #2228 of 2418
I just picked up an S5000ES on Ebay--Am I missing something, or is there not a Repeat function? I read through all of the archives before purchasing, but I do not recall any mention of this...
post #2229 of 2418
Hello,
I have a problme with my unit, if I put in a bluray, the error code appear
-- unknown disc or cannot operate this disc ---
The same problme appears when I change the video format from 1080i to 1080p
but dvd's are working fine
I have the firmware 024 on it and I have allso the problme with older titles !

I life in germany but my unit is a US version, sony germany say that I must send the player to Sony US
post #2230 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by johanverschuren View Post

The Cinavia Encryption copy protection for Blu-ray disc is not implemented in firmware version 024 and below. But Sony is updating the firmware for other models with the Cinavia Encryption copy protection. See below.

Date released: 06/03/2012
Name: Blu-ray player firmware to version M07.R.0615
Applicable models: BDP-S480, BDP-S485, BDP-S580, BDP-S780

Benefits and improvements:

BRAVIA Internet Video connectivity improvement.
This update includes Cinavia content protection technology

Thanks for that
post #2231 of 2418
How is the unit holding up?

I have an opportunity to pick one up for $350 and wondering if it is worth getting.

I only care about PQ and AQ, don't need streaming or web stuff.
post #2232 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

How is the unit holding up?

I have an opportunity to pick one up for $350 and wondering if it is worth getting.

I only care about PQ and AQ, don't need streaming or web stuff.

Awesome. I wish could have another. Well built unit. Pq and Aq have no issues there.
post #2233 of 2418
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Awesome. I wish could have another. Well built unit. Pq and Aq have no issues there.

Forgot to mention this is a used unit. The best price I could find for a new one is twice that amount.

Wouldn't want a unit that is ready to fall apart.

Thats why I was asking how they hold up
post #2234 of 2418
I bought mine a year ago from AVS store for $350 new. It has been flawless. I bought it originally for its analog capabilities. However I have since upgraded from a NAD T763 to a NAD T775HD and use Hdmi for audio so that I can also gain audyssey. I believe once you start using hdmi, the advantages of this unit diminishes especially since it does not do 3d or sacd.

I would take a look at the latest Panasonic offerings. 320 or even the 500 it it is out yet.
post #2235 of 2418
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post

I believe once you start using hdmi, the advantages of this unit diminishes especially since it does not do 3d or sacd.

That's if he's after 3D then he shouldn't look at it.
post #2236 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by dreaux View Post


Forgot to mention this is a used unit. The best price I could find for a new one is twice that amount.

Wouldn't want a unit that is ready to fall apart.

Thats why I was asking how they hold up

From the pics whats the condition like? Also it depends on the original owner how hes treated it. Eg has he put solvents to clean laser ( ive known a few people that do that ) etc etc.
post #2237 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franin View Post

From the pics whats the condition like? Also it depends on the original owner how hes treated it. Eg has he put solvents to clean laser ( ive known a few people that do that ) etc etc.

I didn't buy it but found another that is (the seller claims) from an open box and has not been used. I am still bidding. Only other place I have seen one used is on Amazon.
post #2238 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franin View Post

That's if he's after 3D then he shouldn't look at it.

+1!

Hey Franin! Long time, no post! (From me of course!).
How are you my friend?
Anyway, I agree with you on the 3D thing, if dreaux is looking for 3D then bommai's suggestion should be considered, but I have to assume that dreaux has considered the 3D feature and knows the S5000ES lacks the capability. So why opt for the 5000ES? Because it's an excellent device! Extraordinary built quality, and even if you do not use the analog stages, the HDMI performance is flawless (at least in my experience)! Not to mention, the durability it will provide and pride of ownership of what can be considered a high-end product at a substantial savings.

To Dreaux: I say go for it. You won't regret owning one that's for sure. As soon as you get your hands on one, you will understand.
post #2239 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by ldgibson76 View Post

+1!

Hey Franin! Long time, no post! (From me of course!).
How are you my friend?
Anyway, I agree with you on the 3D thing, if dreaux is looking for 3D then bommai's suggestion should be considered, but I have to assume that dreaux has considered the 3D feature and knows the S5000ES lacks the capability. So why opt for the 5000ES? Because it's an excellent device! Extraordinary built quality, and even if you do not use the analog stages, the HDMI performance is flawless (at least in my experience)! Not to mention, the durability it will provide and pride of ownership of what can be considered a high-end product at a substantial savings.

To Dreaux: I say go for it. You won't regret owning one that's for sure. As soon as you get your hands on one, you will understand.

Hey ldgibson76 how you been mate? I agree long time no post good to see you dropping by

Yes the 5000ES is an excellent machine. Another one of my best purchases.
post #2240 of 2418
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Hey ldgibson76 how you been mate? I agree long time no post good to see you dropping by

Yes the 5000ES is an excellent machine. Another one of my best purchases.

Thanks guys. I would rather spend my money on a well built unit with excellent PQ and superior audio. I can pickup a 3D player (a Panasonic 320) for just over $100 when I want to watch 3D which isn't often.

Mostly I watch Blu-ray and want something that has a beautiful picture and will last. The little toys they sell now don't appeal to me.
post #2241 of 2418
I also bought mine from AVS a year ago. It has played everything I have thrown at it. I upgraded my receiver to a Pioneer 59TXI and it allows MCACC over analog. Although it re-digitizes the signal it still sounds fantastic. Oh yeah and knowing I still have 4 years on the warranty is icing on the cake.
post #2242 of 2418
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Originally Posted by pwiss View Post

I also bought mine from AVS a year ago. It has played everything I have thrown at it. I upgraded my receiver to a Pioneer 59TXI and it allows MCACC over analog. Although it re-digitizes the signal it still sounds fantastic. Oh yeah and knowing I still have 4 years on the warranty is icing on the cake.

There a good well built player.
post #2243 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by pwiss View Post

I also bought mine from AVS a year ago. It has played everything I have thrown at it. I upgraded my receiver to a Pioneer 59TXI and it allows MCACC over analog. Although it re-digitizes the signal it still sounds fantastic. Oh yeah and knowing I still have 4 years on the warranty is icing on the cake.

You were able to transfer the warranty or did you get it new?

I did find one on Ebay and bought it. I will have to check with the seller to see if there is any warranty left.
I am looking forward to get this unit.

Have a TV set now that will get everything the Sony can put out.
post #2244 of 2418
I'm trying to find a region B 5000es to replace my bdp 380.
post #2245 of 2418
Just got my 5000ES today from an Ebay seller. The unit will not even power up! Don't they check these things before they try and sell?

Have to ship back, not looking forward to any hassles from the seller.

No Sony 5000ES for me now I guess.
post #2246 of 2418
I got my S5000ES at Amazon. I had the same problem as yours. I sent the item back for a full refund with their shipping label. For used items, Amazon is safer than ebay.
post #2247 of 2418
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Originally Posted by Subway Play View Post

I got my S5000ES at Amazon. I had the same problem as yours. I sent the item back for a full refund with their shipping label. For used items, Amazon is safer than ebay.

Yes you are right about that. Guess it was never checked out. I tried to save money by going through Ebay and, well it didn't work.
Edited by dreaux - 6/6/12 at 10:36am
post #2248 of 2418
Has anyone compared the picture quality of the 5000ES to the newest players from Sony? Specifically the S590 and S790? If so, how does the 5000ES compare to the PQ of these newer players?
post #2249 of 2418
I just bought the S790 and to my eyes, despite the rave reviews, the picture is not as good and as detailed as my original S1. I'm watching in 1080p/60fps in 2D on a Panasonic ST50. Is the S5000ES definitely better than the S1 in terms of PQ?
post #2250 of 2418
Quote:
Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

Has anyone compared the picture quality of the 5000ES to the newest players from Sony? Specifically the S590 and S790? If so, how does the 5000ES compare to the PQ of these newer players?

I had the Sony S790 for about a week and sent it back, was not impressed. I have the 5000ES and the PQ is better....richer and more film like.
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