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post #8491 of 9316
Well I'm sure I can skip all the details, but I'm looking to find a good antenna. I don't want my apartment to look like a SETI station, but I want to ditch the rabbit ears on my BBQ (I will explain...) and the amplified POS antenna on my patio.

Due to the fact that I can't post a link just yet, I went to TVFool.com and I put in my location, Hobe Sound, FL with a zip code of 33455 and this is my issue.


Of course I don't expect great things, and the stations I need to get are all within reasonable range and fairly close together in direction. Basically, the normal channels like ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox & the CW. All under 40 miles, but not all in the same direction. I don't live in a very developed area, at least there aren't any tall buildings within 10 miles that I know of and the trees aren't very thick.

Right now I have 2 antennas outside and a splitter inside. One antenna is a cheap $10 VHF/UHF that I have positioned on my BBQ to just pick up 2 stations (Real Channel 12 & 13, VHF) and it does a decent job at that most of the times. I then have a Phillips UHF amplified antenna, which can be temper-mental (Yes I meant to spell it that way, the antenna is very MENTAL)at times. While this system seems to work for the most part, I use my PC as a DVR for my OTA stations and I'm not home to switch between the two (Or a racoon knocks over my VHF off the BBQ) so I want one decent omni-directional antenna to take care of it. If I have to use a pre-amp, that's not a huge deal for me, I just hate having to switch between 2 antennas.

In my house I have my PC with a TV Tuner (HP-M9000T, Win7 64bit, Vixus-PureTV, No Internet) along with a TV in the livingroom that has an external ATSC Tuner and a TV In the bedroom with it's own built in ATSC Tuner. The 2 antennas outside are connected to their own individual coax connections coming into the 2way switch, then that goes to a 5way splitter.

I've been looking at the Winegard HD-1080, or something along that line. Any suggestions on what's the best bang for the buck for what I'm looking at?

Any help is appreciated!
post #8492 of 9316
I live in Jensen and I get great results with a Channel master 4 bow-tie antenna I bought from Solid Signal.com We don't have very many placs that sell a decent antenna in Martin County. I do suggest shopping on the internet or even Ebay. I saw some Ebay antenna's that may ship from Hong Kong, but the shipping is free. How do they do that? They must get the product for a $1.00.

Also, there ia the Orlando Hamfest coming up in a few days. That is one place that you can find almost anything computer, TV, radio, craft, auto, or anything you can imagine for a good price. Most Hams will negotiate the asking price, but not if it is a hot selling item and early in the day. Sunday is the last day and I have had people give me things just so they could go home with nothing. I will be planning a visit to the Hamfest on one of the wekend days. Rget setup on Friday, so Saturday is the biggest day for anything good. The early birds get in as a vendor and before they setup a table, they scout tables of people setting up and try to get a steal of a deal from someone who doesn't know the value of what they are selling. I know this because I am a pro at this. I did this for a few years when I didn't have any other job, and I made a good amount from it all. Miami is the other very big Hamfest. Orlando and Miami attract people from all over the country, not just Florida. There are many smaller Hamfests that attract mostly the locals, and nearby citties.
post #8493 of 9316
If I had your email address I would have sent you this email complete with the graphics, but it is the truth. the best HD comes from OTA. The rest is from an email I just received.
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Did you know that the best high definition TV
channels are those from an OTA Antenna?
OTA stands for Over The Air or also called an HDTV antenna. Most people don’t realize that the signal is uncompressed and offers a better HD experience compared to cable or satellite.
Sunday's Superbowl was incredible with a DB8 HDTV antenna. We flipped back and forth between the satellite feed and the over the air feed, and there was a noticeable difference in the picture quality. Surprising to be honest…
The best part about owning an HDTV antenna is how affordable it is and once installed there is no monthly bill as legally they need to be broadcasted by all local cable companies.
The first thing you need to do is see what channels are available in your market. Click this website: www.TVfool.com and enter your address. The best way to read this chart is any channel that is highlighted in green, yellow, or red areas you can most probably receive. Channels in the grey area are weaker signals and will require more work like an amplifier and larger more powerful antenna.
We prefer to simplify the above chart into 3 categories:
• Short Range
• Medium Range
• Long Range
Consider that an HDTV antenna is the cheapest component of your HDTV system it pays to buy a better quality and more powerful antenna because it impacts on the HD signal reception. We are not fans of low priced, budget antennas. Since you have made a huge investment in your high definition TV, make sure you get the most out of it. The difference between a mediocre antenna and a star performer is at most $50. It does not make sense to go for a second rate HDTV antenna.
Use the distance chart below to select the best HDTV antenna:
post #8494 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by massimj View Post

Did you know that the best high definition TV
channels are those from an OTA Antenna?
OTA stands for Over The Air or also called an HDTV antenna. Most people don't realize that the signal is uncompressed and offers a better HD experience compared to cable or satellite.

Been saying this for literally years. With the focus on cable/sat/fiber, many people have forgotten all about superior-quality free TV OTA.
Quote:
Originally Posted by massimj View Post

Consider that an HDTV antenna is the cheapest component of your HDTV system it pays to buy a better quality and more powerful antenna because it impacts on the HD signal reception. We are not fans of low priced, budget antennas. Since you have made a huge investment in your high definition TV, make sure you get the most out of it. The difference between a mediocre antenna and a star performer is at most $50. It does not make sense to go for a second rate HDTV antenna.
Use the distance chart below to select the best HDTV antenna:

I'm not disagreeing with the concept of 'you get what you pay for', but there's really no such thing as an "HDTV antenna". If an antenna picked up analog, it will pick up digital. The only caveat is knowing if you need a combo vs. a UHF-only.
post #8495 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by 97Strat View Post

Been saying this for literally years. With the focus on cable/sat/fiber, many people have forgotten all about superior-quality free TV OTA.
I'm not disagreeing with the concept of 'you get what you pay for', but there's really no such thing as an "HDTV antenna". If an antenna picked up analog, it will pick up digital. The only caveat is knowing if you need a combo vs. a UHF-only.

I have been into Ham Radio for a very long time, and am now at its highest level. With that comes a lot of understanding about antenna's. The four bow-tie antenna I bought from Solid Signal works great at my QTH. However, the 8 Bow-tie model picks up far too much signal. I get all the major TV channels and almost twice as many more other channels, many in Spanish.
The HD antenna is a Myth, just as you say. They did away with VHF, and you only need a UHF antenna to receive all digital content. Not all that is digital is HD, I am sure that you know that, but I say it for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know.
The Bow-tie antenna is not omni directional, but it is very broad and has very good forward gain. It is small and easy to put up. It can go in an attic, but for best reception put it outside, and know what direction your TV station transmitters are. (Note that every TV antenna that you ever saw was directional, there are no Omnidirectinal TV antennas.) You only have to point the antenna in the general direction, for me it is mostly South. I have a communications tower and I put my antenna at 38 feet. It will work at the roof line for anyone who cares to know, but put it at the highest point facing the direction of desired reception. Every (digital) TV or receiver I have ever seen has a tunning bar, much like a Dish, or DirecTV receiver. Put your TV on the channel you want to receive best and turn the antenna for the best signal strength. then scan for channels. You might try a few different positions and keep the one that yields the best channel base.
On the typical old style TV antenna, which you can still buy, the metal bars that start out small in the front and get bigger as you get to the back serve two purpose. Each bar that is behind a smaller bar acts as a reflector the bar before it. Each bar is tuned for a certain group of channels. The smallest antenna elements are for the highest frequencies. UHF antennas are much smaller than VHF/UHF antenna's. VHF is no longer needed, and if you already have an old antenna, there is no harm in trying it. You might live close enough to get very good digital reception. If your antenna has a flat 300 ohm twin lead wire, you will need a balun to turn it into 75 ohms and coax. You can get the balun at a radio shack. The Channel Master four bow tie antenna comes with a balun, you only need coax into the house. Use RG6 if you have to buy new. My antenna is a backup for hurricanes. It has survived two so far and still stands tall.
post #8496 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by massimj View Post

They did away with VHF, and you only need a UHF antenna to receive all digital content.

VHF is no longer needed...

Not sure where you're getting this information, but it's simply not true.

Both WPTV and WPEC are broadcasting their OTA digital signals on RF channels 12 and 13 respectively. Towards the south, WSVN and WPLG are broadcasting their OTA digital signals on RF channels 7 and 10 respectively. All four RF channels are VHF.
post #8497 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by Native2010 View Post

Well I'm sure I can skip all the details, but I'm looking to find a good antenna. I don't want my apartment to look like a SETI station, but I want to ditch the rabbit ears on my BBQ (I will explain...) and the amplified POS antenna on my patio.

Due to the fact that I can't post a link just yet, I went to TVFool.com and I put in my location, Hobe Sound, FL with a zip code of 33455 and this is my issue.


Of course I don't expect great things, and the stations I need to get are all within reasonable range and fairly close together in direction. Basically, the normal channels like ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox & the CW. All under 40 miles, but not all in the same direction. I don't live in a very developed area, at least there aren't any tall buildings within 10 miles that I know of and the trees aren't very thick.

Right now I have 2 antennas outside and a splitter inside. One antenna is a cheap $10 VHF/UHF that I have positioned on my BBQ to just pick up 2 stations (Real Channel 12 & 13, VHF) and it does a decent job at that most of the times. I then have a Phillips UHF amplified antenna, which can be temper-mental (Yes I meant to spell it that way, the antenna is very MENTAL)at times. While this system seems to work for the most part, I use my PC as a DVR for my OTA stations and I'm not home to switch between the two (Or a racoon knocks over my VHF off the BBQ) so I want one decent omni-directional antenna to take care of it. If I have to use a pre-amp, that's not a huge deal for me, I just hate having to switch between 2 antennas.

In my house I have my PC with a TV Tuner (HP-M9000T, Win7 64bit, Vixus-PureTV, No Internet) along with a TV in the livingroom that has an external ATSC Tuner and a TV In the bedroom with it's own built in ATSC Tuner. The 2 antennas outside are connected to their own individual coax connections coming into the 2way switch, then that goes to a 5way splitter.

I've been looking at the Winegard HD-1080, or something along that line. Any suggestions on what's the best bang for the buck for what I'm looking at?

Any help is appreciated!

It would help if you state the direction your porch is facing.

I assume you do not have access to an attic.

One item, you should use a UHF/VHF combiner rather than a splitter to couple UHF and VHF antennas. http://starkelectronic.com/
post #8498 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by 97Strat View Post

Not sure where you're getting this information, but it's simply not true.

Both WPTV and WPEC are broadcasting their OTA digital signals on RF channels 12 and 13 respectively. Towards the south, WSVN and WPLG are broadcasting their OTA digital signals on RF channels 7 and 10 respectively. All four RF channels are VHF.

Yes, the signals may be there, but they were supposed to be gone, and they will be gone sooner or later. Our government underestimated how many people had old TV's and would not understand anything about buying a digital receiver. It doesn't change the fact that I suggest that you not buy anything new to support a dying format.
post #8499 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by massimj View Post

Yes, the signals may be there, but they were supposed to be gone, and they will be gone sooner or later. Our government underestimated how many people had old TV's and would not understand anything about buying a digital receiver. It doesn't change the fact that I suggest that you not buy anything new to support a dying format.

What are you talking about? Those VHF signals may move on their own if they wish to make reception easier, but VHF signals in general are not going away. And quite honestly, if they've not moved to UHF by this point in the game, I would not expect them to.

- Trip
post #8500 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel Graffman View Post

It would help if you state the direction your porch is facing.

I assume you do not have access to an attic.

One item, you should use a UHF/VHF combiner rather than a splitter to couple UHF and VHF antennas. http://starkelectronic.com/

My porch faces West, but the sides to the North and South are somewhat open. To the south I have a line of trees separating the complex. I can't put anything huge up, so i'm trying to keep the set up as "light" as possible. Right now I have a 10' piece of 1 1/4" strapped to the fence post about 3' off the ground, and it's on the post closest to the house. I'm considering moving it to the further post.

I would like to find a VHF/UHF combined antenna, since 2 stations I want are still on VHF.

Getting to my attic isn't the problem, it's getting far enough in the attic to run the wire, and the space is limited as well on what I can put in there.

I thought about the combiner, but either way I'd still have to ditch the amplified antenna I have now. I don't trust it inline with another antenna, and the pre-amp for it isn't an outdoor type.
post #8501 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by massimj View Post

I live in Jensen and I get great results with a Channel master 4 bow-tie antenna I bought from Solid Signal.com We don't have very many placs that sell a decent antenna in Martin County. I do suggest shopping on the internet or even Ebay. I saw some Ebay antenna's that may ship from Hong Kong, but the shipping is free. How do they do that? They must get the product for a $1.00.

Also, there ia the Orlando Hamfest coming up in a few days. That is one place that you can find almost anything computer, TV, radio, craft, auto, or anything you can imagine for a good price. Most Hams will negotiate the asking price, but not if it is a hot selling item and early in the day. Sunday is the last day and I have had people give me things just so they could go home with nothing. I will be planning a visit to the Hamfest on one of the wekend days. Rget setup on Friday, so Saturday is the biggest day for anything good. The early birds get in as a vendor and before they setup a table, they scout tables of people setting up and try to get a steal of a deal from someone who doesn't know the value of what they are selling. I know this because I am a pro at this. I did this for a few years when I didn't have any other job, and I made a good amount from it all. Miami is the other very big Hamfest. Orlando and Miami attract people from all over the country, not just Florida. There are many smaller Hamfests that attract mostly the locals, and nearby citties.

I know the selection around here (Martin County) sucks, that's why i'm digging around here to find some suggestions on what works best. Like I said before, I don't want to put up a NASA grade antenna, and I don't want to fidget with a rotor, or anything with a directional antenna. I'm not trying to reach Miami, just the north half of Palm Beach. I'm happy if I get just the basic network stations and a couple of the PBS channels (They have nice cooking shows on!). I know it's possible, I just don't want to spend $40, then find out I should have spent $50 and be stuck with $90 in equipment to find out that a $35 piece would have done the trick!

That's why I was looking at items like the Winegard HD-1080 or something close to a VHF/UHF combo. I only need the High VHF band and UHF. I'm tempted to make one of these DIY home antennas and give it a try, but that high end of the VHF band is killing me!
post #8502 of 9316
I guess I should have said Analog TV is going away, not VHF TV. Most anything any of us would want to watch is no longer transmitted on high power analog TV. In Florida all good TV is in UHF, and digital. All I am saying is don't spend your money on a big VHF/UHF antenna in Florida, but if you already have one, go ahead and try it. Depending on where you live, it may work very well. Here is what I pulled from a search on the topic.
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As of late 2009, 10 countries had completed the process of turning off analog terrestrial broadcasting. Many other countries had plans to do so or were in the process of a staged conversion. The first country to make a wholesale switch to digital over-the-air (terrestrial) broadcasting was Luxembourg, in 2006, followed by the Netherlands later in 2006, Finland, Andorra, Sweden, Norway and Switzerland in 2007, Belgium (Flanders) and Germany in 2008, the United States (high power only), Isle of Man and Denmark.

In the United States, high-power over-the-air broadcasts are solely in the ATSC digital format since June 12, 2009, the date that the FCC set for the end of all high-power analog TV transmissions. As a result, almost two million households could no longer watch TV because they were not prepared for the transition. The switchover was originally scheduled for February 17, 2009 until the US Congress passed the DTV Delay Act.[1] By special dispensation, some analog TV signals ceased on the original date.[2]

In Japan, the switch to digital is scheduled to happen July 24, 2011. In Canada, it is scheduled to happen August 31, 2011. China is scheduled to switch in 2015. In the United Kingdom, the digital switchover has different times for each part of the country; however, the whole of the UK will be digital by 2012. Brazil switched to digital on December 2, 2007 in major cities and it is estimated it will take seven years for complete signal expansion over all of the Brazilian territory. Australia will turn off analog signals between 2010 and 2013, region by region.[3]

In Malaysia, the Malaysian Communications & Multimedia Commission (MCMC) will call for tender bids in the third quarter of 2009 for the UHF 470-742 megahertz spectrum which will pave the way for the country to move into the digital television era. The awarding of the spectrum will see the winner having to build a single digital terrestrial transmission/TV broadcast (DTTB) infrastructure for all broadcasters to ride on to transmit their TV programs. The winner will be announced at the end of 2009 or early 2010 and has to commence digital roll-out soon after the award where the analog switch-off is planned for 2015.

While the majority of the viewers of over-the-air broadcasting in the USA watch full-power stations (which number about 1800), there are three other categories of TV stations in the US: low-power stations, Class A stations, and TV translator stations. There is presently no deadline for these stations, about 7100 in number, to convert to digital broadcasting



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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

What are you talking about? Those VHF signals may move on their own if they wish to make reception easier, but VHF signals in general are not going away. And quite honestly, if they've not moved to UHF by this point in the game, I would not expect them to.

- Trip
post #8503 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by massimj View Post

In Florida all good TV is in UHF

So WSVN, WPLG, WPEC, and WPTV are not "good TV"?

- Trip
post #8504 of 9316
This is what I use in Jensen Beach and it works great. It is a link to a Channel Master 4221 antenna. I think I already said that TV antenna's are not Omni-directional antennas. The further they reach, the more directional they are. The antenna I suggest is very broad and works very well in Martin County. It does not need to be turned once it is installed properly.
The URl didn't post properly, so go to Solid Signal and search for Channel Master antenna and one of them on the first page will be the 4221HD for $29.95. It is the shipping that will be half that.

http://www.solidsignal.com




Quote:
Originally Posted by Native2010 View Post

I know the selection around here (Martin County) sucks, that's why i'm digging around here to find some suggestions on what works best. Like I said before, I don't want to put up a NASA grade antenna, and I don't want to fidget with a rotor, or anything with a directional antenna. I'm not trying to reach Miami, just the north half of Palm Beach. I'm happy if I get just the basic network stations and a couple of the PBS channels (They have nice cooking shows on!). I know it's possible, I just don't want to spend $40, then find out I should have spent $50 and be stuck with $90 in equipment to find out that a $35 piece would have done the trick!

That's why I was looking at items like the Winegard HD-1080 or something close to a VHF/UHF combo. I only need the High VHF band and UHF. I'm tempted to make one of these DIY home antennas and give it a try, but that high end of the VHF band is killing me!
post #8505 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

So WSVN, WPLG, WPEC, and WPTV are not "good TV"?

- Trip

They are all so strong here, there is no need for a VHF antenna. I get great reception of every one of those stations using a UHF antenna. Your situation might be different, so if you neeed a big hulking VHF/UHF antenna, go ahead and buy one.
post #8506 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by massimj View Post

This is what I use in Jensen Beach and it works great. It is a link to a Channel Master 4221 antenna. I think I already said that TV antenna's are not Omni-directional antennas. The further they reach, the more directional they are. The antenna I suggest is very broad and works very well in Martin County. It does not need to be turned once it is installed properly.
The URl didn't post properly, so go to Solid Signal and search for Channel Master antenna and one of them on the first page will be the 4221HD for $29.95. It is the shipping that will be half that.

http://www.solidsignal.com

Mind me asking how you have it mounted? Height & direction? What stations you get? Just curious to hear the actual results. I tend to be a bit too thorough at times, so I apologize if I seem like a pain.
post #8507 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by massimj View Post

They are all so strong here, there is no need for a VHF antenna. I get great reception of every one of those stations using a UHF antenna. Your situation might be different, so if you neeed a big hulking VHF/UHF antenna, go ahead and buy one.

Re: VHF Digital TV...

Sorry, dude, but it really sounds like you have no clue what you're talking about.

It's a fact that digital VHF is harder to receive OTA than digital UHF, so most people will need a decent VHF/UHF combo to get all the digitals from Vero on down through the keys.

So exactly where are you located that you claim to get all these VHFs with a UHF antenna, and how high up is that thing?
post #8508 of 9316
I like the insult, thanks. I do have a 4-bow tie antenna that receives everything there is to receive all the way down to south Florida from Jensen beach. It doesn't have any VHF elements in it and a couple of the close staions are so strong I can get them with a wire hanging from my desk inside. You can stay where you are, but that other nice person with all the questions is invited to visit me and surf the channels I receive on my antenna, and see how it is installed. I have it just above the roof line and it faces mostly south. You can't receive stations in the keys from Vero unless the conditions are right. I doubled the size of my antenna by buying the 8 bow-tie ChannelMaster. A friend has it now, it did not improve the TV I already get with the much smaller model. Th 4221 is very small and easy to install, and is strictly UHF. The other person in Martin County should PM me and I will give you directions to my home for you to see what I have and how it works. Then you can be the judge of what you think you need.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97Strat View Post

Re: VHF Digital TV...

Sorry, dude, but it really sounds like you have no clue what you're talking about.

It's a fact that digital VHF is harder to receive OTA than digital UHF, so most people will need a decent VHF/UHF combo to get all the digitals from Vero on down through the keys.

So exactly where are you located that you claim to get all these VHFs with a UHF antenna, and how high up is that thing?
post #8509 of 9316
Anyone experiencing reduced PQ from comcast recently since they added the 6 new hd channels a few weeks back? I feel that a few channels (ESPN, Palladia, etc) are over saturated with less detail. Let me know as my wife thinks im starting to crazy!!!!
post #8510 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by massimj View Post

I like the insult, thanks. I do have a 4-bow tie antenna that receives everything there is to receive all the way down to south Florida from Jensen beach. It doesn't have any VHF elements in it and a couple of the close staions are so strong I can get them with a wire hanging from my desk inside. You can stay where you are, but that other nice person with all the questions is invited to visit me and surf the channels I receive on my antenna, and see how it is installed. I have it just above the roof line and it faces mostly south. You can't receive stations in the keys from Vero unless the conditions are right. I doubled the size of my antenna by buying the 8 bow-tie ChannelMaster. A friend has it now, it did not improve the TV I already get with the much smaller model. Th 4221 is very small and easy to install, and is strictly UHF. The other person in Martin County should PM me and I will give you directions to my home for you to see what I have and how it works. Then you can be the judge of what you think you need.

Not an insult - just an observation. Nonetheless, glad you like it.

I can't help but wonder why you get VHF channels perfectly but many others a lot closer can't get WPTV or WPEC.

TVfool.com indicates that Jensen Beach is about 46 miles north of WPTV and WPEC, and about 89 miles north of WSVN and WPLG - all four are VHF, yet you claim to be able to receive them all with a 4-bow tie UHF.

Sounds pretty incredible to me - receiving digital VHF from 90 miles away with a UHF antenna.
post #8511 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by Native2010 View Post

My porch faces West, but the sides to the North and South are somewhat open. To the south I have a line of trees separating the complex. I can't put anything huge up, so i'm trying to keep the set up as "light" as possible. Right now I have a 10' piece of 1 1/4" strapped to the fence post about 3' off the ground, and it's on the post closest to the house. I'm considering moving it to the further post.

I would like to find a VHF/UHF combined antenna, since 2 stations I want are still on VHF.

Getting to my attic isn't the problem, it's getting far enough in the attic to run the wire, and the space is limited as well on what I can put in there.

I thought about the combiner, but either way I'd still have to ditch the amplified antenna I have now. I don't trust it inline with another antenna, and the pre-amp for it isn't an outdoor type.

There are several things to consider.

You are in a line of sight signal area for W Palm Beach and Martin County antenna farms, so you don't need a high gain antenna.

Both VHF channels are in the same direction (South).

Since the VHF channels are transmitted on 12 and 13, even for VHF a large antenna is not needed.

It is possible that you may get by with one antenna facing south and get a reliable signal off the side of the antenna for Martin county channels 25 and 34. ( I do )

Since VHF signals a generally less fussy than UHF, I would try a UHF only.

Bottom line- Go to Radio Shack (as you can return the product)

First try Antenna Craft U4000 4 bay UHF antenna.

If this doesn't work, try Radio U-75R UHF Yagi. ( I use this in my attic, but not for VHF)

You should note that their HBU33 is technically more appropriate for your situation, but is about twice as big as the above antennas.

Good luck and don't be afraid to experiment.
post #8512 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by djgemmati View Post

Anyone experiencing reduced PQ from comcast recently since they added the 6 new hd channels a few weeks back? I feel that a few channels (ESPN, Palladia, etc) are over saturated with less detail. Let me know as my wife thinks im starting to crazy!!!!

I don't notice any difference in picture quality since the channels were added.
post #8513 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel Graffman View Post

There are several things to consider.

You are in a line of sight signal area for W Palm Beach and Martin County antenna farms, so you don't need a high gain antenna.

Both VHF channels are in the same direction (South).

Since the VHF channels are transmitted on 12 and 13, even for VHF a large antenna is not needed.

It is possible that you may get by with one antenna facing south and get a reliable signal off the side of the antenna for Martin county channels 25 and 34. ( I do )

Since VHF signals a generally less fussy than UHF, I would try a UHF only.

Bottom line- Go to Radio Shack (as you can return the product)

First try Antenna Craft U4000 4 bay UHF antenna.

If this doesn't work, try Radio U-75R UHF Yagi. ( I use this in my attic, but not for VHF)

You should note that their HBU33 is technically more appropriate for your situation, but is about twice as big as the above antennas.

Good luck and don't be afraid to experiment.

The info is greatly appreciated. However I'm looking for something small, so the HBU33 is out of the question. I've only got a 10' piece of 1.25" conduit holding the antenna and I can't really go too crazy because of the complex. They've already freaked out on me once about my DirecTV dish when I had that mounted. I would give the 4bay a try, but I'm skeptical about anything not mentioning VHF, even though it's on the high band of VHF. The UHF Antenna I have now doesn't pick either up, and unless I want to zip-tie some rabbit ears to the thing and use a combiner, I am trying to avoid the Sanford & Son antenna.

I will venture over to the shack maybe and see if I can find something local. I like what the fellow in Jensen was saying, however I don't believe a visit is necessary. I appreciate the offer though sir.
post #8514 of 9316
Quote:
Originally Posted by 97Strat View Post

TVfool.com indicates that Jensen Beach is about 46 miles north of WPTV and WPEC, and about 89 miles north of WSVN and WPLG - all four are VHF, yet you claim to be able to receive them all with a 4-bow tie UHF.

Sounds pretty incredible to me - receiving digital VHF from 90 miles away with a UHF antenna.

I can get WPTV and WPEC on a bi-directional (no reflector) 8 bay bowtie (whisker actually) from about 70 miles (but only if skip is not degraded at all). No doubt though, the VHF yagi is *far* superior.

Looks like I'll be moving to Ft. Lauderdale soon. Ft. Lauderdale is a lot like Vero, in that it splits two major markets with antenna farms about 180 degrees apart (back to back). Unfortunately, I'll probably not be able to get ch 34 (and I watch it a lot), it's a long way, with co-channel interference down south. Rats!
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Originally Posted by wdsnls View Post

I don't notice any difference in picture quality since the channels were added.

I went from a 60" KRP (oct-Dec) to a 42" loaner LG (dec-Feb) and then Tuesday got a new 141 and I'm hoping it's just the settings on the new set but I dont think it is. Was checking out USA network and Burn Notice was on and it just looked terrible. Most of the HD channels are looking very soft. I popped in a blu ray (Star Trek 2009) just to make sure it wasnt my new panel and it looked fantastic.

I have stayed with comcast for so long because of their PQ. My wife notices the difference to.

Thanks wdsnls for your reply!
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Originally Posted by luminance View Post

I can get WPTV and WPEC on a bi-directional (no reflector) 8 bay bowtie (whisker actually) from about 70 miles (but only if skip is not degraded at all). No doubt though, the VHF yagi is *far* superior.

Looks like I'll be moving to Ft. Lauderdale soon. Ft. Lauderdale is a lot like Vero, in that it splits two major markets with antenna farms about 180 degrees apart (back to back). Unfortunately, I'll probably not be able to get ch 34 (and I watch it a lot), it's a long way, with co-channel interference down south. Rats!

If you're in north or even central Broward, you should be able to get the "southern" WPB stations fine. 5, 12, 29, 42 should all come in, but you won't be able to get 25 or 34. That said, 33 and 39 should have most of the same stuff that 34 has.

If you're far enough west, you'll see almost 180 degrees between the sources. The farther east you go, the smaller that spread becomes. So rather than 12 and 6 on the clock, your sources might be 10:30 and 7:30.
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I only check for major networks and I verified that I get ABC,CBS,NBC,FOX,WB, and PBS. There are lots others, but most notably is ION TV which I seldom watch. I did a better check on my 4-bow-tie Channel Master antenna and it is facing SE from Jensen beach. That direction made no sense to me because of my proximity to the coast. I can turn it and keep most of the important (to me) channels, except for one, it may be NBC that is far south and requires more precise pointing. If it isn't NBC, then it's CBS, because ABC is so close I get it without an antenna. The WB is also very easy to get, and Fox is only a little more challenging.
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Originally Posted by massimj View Post

I only check for major networks and I verified that I get ABC,CBS,NBC,FOX,WB, and PBS. There are lots others, but most notably is ION TV which I seldom watch. I did a better check on my 4-bow-tie Channel Master antenna and it is facing SE from Jensen beach. That direction made no sense to me because of my proximity to the coast. I can turn it and keep most of the important (to me) channels, except for one, it may be NBC that is far south and requires more precise pointing. If it isn't NBC, then it's CBS, because ABC is so close I get it without an antenna. The WB is also very easy to get, and Fox is only a little more challenging.

Those are the stations I'm concerned about getting. As I think I stated before, my PC is set as a DVR and it's always on. I can't turn an antenna when I'm not home, and I can't stick 2 antennas up off my porch. One brought enough attention. Any of the antennas like the HD1080 that I was looking at, something smaller than 3ft and that can pick up from High-VHF on up to UHF is fine with me. A Yahi may be a bit too big, no?

Maybe I should just bite the bullet and order one, and see what happens. I can find em for around $30, but which one to get was my main concern.
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Did you look at the Channel Master 4221Hd from www.solidsignal.com? It is not a Yagi, and it has a very broad beam width, you might call it bi-directional. A few of the stations I get are off the back side of the antenna. This antenna can be painted to match the wall behind it and be very hard to see from a distance. The key is going to be in what direction can you point? You can bring up google maps and I will Pm you my address so you can see how close we are and judge the direction of your antenna from my information. remember that I point south East, and that path has a clear shot down the street because of the way my house is situated.
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Originally Posted by massimj View Post

Did you look at the Channel Master 4221Hd from www.solidsignal.com? It is not a Yagi, and it has a very broad beam width, you might call it bi-directional. A few of the stations I get are off the back side of the antenna. This antenna can be painted to match the wall behind it and be very hard to see from a distance. The key is going to be in what direction can you point? You can bring up google maps and I will Pm you my address so you can see how close we are and judge the direction of your antenna from my information. remember that I point south East, and that path has a clear shot down the street because of the way my house is situated.

Yes, I did look at the antenna and it's within what I was looking for. The only thing I was skeptical about was the UHF only on the specs, nothing mentioned on VHF. But if you're in Jensen Beach and you're getting all of those stations with it, I can't see how it wouldn't work for me.

I can point in every direction with the exception of East (That would be straight at my roof...) and not to mention my building is on the higher ground than the rest of the complex, so I'm pretty much clear in all directions of any large obstructions. Maybe I'll just spend the $30 and try it, at this point it can't hurt. It would also be nice to take down the Phillips antenna I have now with the Pre-Amp. I could actually bring that to work since I have a USB Tuner for my laptop. It just doesn't do squat for High-VHF and that's what makes me worry about buying another "UHF" only antenna.

If you want to shoot me a PM, go for it. I'm here until about 4pm then I won't be available the rest of the weekend.
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