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post #2941 of 3236
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

there is a handy discrete IR command available called "Straight Decode". Sending this command will instantly set the Listening mode to whatever the "native" mode is for the current source, without having to step through other modes or even having to know what the source format is..

Do you happen to have that discrete code in hex format?
post #2942 of 3236
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Originally Posted by RoboRay View Post

Do you happen to have that discrete code in hex format?

The Pronto hex code for Straight Decode is:

0000 006c 0022 0002 0156 00ac 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0020 05EE 0156 0056 0020 0E54

Everything I have, including the complete Onkyo-issued spreadsheet listing all of the available commands and codes, is in the first post on page 35 of this thread. There is an amazingly huge library of discrete commands available.
post #2943 of 3236
Thanks! I think I have that spreadsheet saved somewhere, but I'm not home right now to check.
post #2944 of 3236
Here is a good deal on a 886 from over at the Emotiva Lounge.

http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/i...y&thread=14100

Bill
post #2945 of 3236
I am so embarrased. lol

I figured out why it was defaulting to stereo. I had already set each input to PLIIx movie for every signal except mono. What I didn't realize is that there is a second page with the options for true hd, multi channel, dts hd, etc!

They were all set to stereo which is the default. I changed them all to PLIIx movie.

Thanks everyone for helping me solve this problem. I can't believe I never realized there was a second page. lol

Now the question is what listening mode is the best. Who has time to try them all. PLIIx movie sounds good to me. I use it because I have a 7.1 setup. I use different modes when listening to music discs of course. I have also used Ultra Cinema but I can't tell a difference between that and PLIIx movie.
post #2946 of 3236
Quick Question for the 886 owners out there, specifically b stock owners. I just picked one of these up on Ebay to replace a UMC-1, and it turns out the unit was purchased as a b-stock directly from Onkyo (although it wasn't listed as a B stock in the listing). Have these B stocks been pretty reliable? Were they all refurbs or what? Should I be concerned? Thanks
post #2947 of 3236
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Originally Posted by nickwin View Post

Quick Question for the 886 owners out there, specifically b stock owners. I just picked one of these up on Ebay to replace a UMC-1, and it turns out the unit was purchased as a b-stock directly from Onkyo (although it wasn't listed as a B stock in the listing). Have these B stocks been pretty reliable? Were they all refurbs or what? Should I be concerned? Thanks

Back in the day shoponkyo.com was selling brand new units as B stock. I bought mine from shoponkyo and it was definately a brand new unit. A true B stock is usually a refurb that will come in a plain brown box. Even if the one you bought is that I wouldn't worry about it. The 886 has been very reliable. If you read through this thread you will find very few problems.

You should check the firmware and DSP revisions to see if they are up to date. There are instructions in the this thread showing how to do it.

I also recommend adding a fan over the HDMI board like this one: http://www.coolerguys.com/comcool.html
If you are facing the front of the unit put the fan on the back right. That is the warmest spot. Install the fan sucking out not blowing in. I know the fan isn't really necessary but I think it is worth it to keep the 886 as cool as possible. It is inaudible and it keeps the 886 cool to the touch. Without the fan the upper right corner gets very warm. Not burn your hand warm but warmer than I like. All modern receivers/preamps get hot around the HDMI/DSP/video chips.
post #2948 of 3236
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Originally Posted by nickwin View Post

Quick Question for the 886 owners out there, specifically b stock owners. I just picked one of these up on Ebay to replace a UMC-1, and it turns out the unit was purchased as a b-stock directly from Onkyo (although it wasn't listed as a B stock in the listing). Have these B stocks been pretty reliable? Were they all refurbs or what? Should I be concerned? Thanks

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Originally Posted by beekermartin View Post

Back in the day shoponkyo.com was selling brand new units as B stock. I bought mine from shoponkyo and it was definately a brand new unit. A true B stock is usually a refurb that will come in a plain brown box. Even if the one you bought is that I wouldn't worry about it. The 886 has been very reliable. If you read through this thread you will find very few problems.

You should check the firmware and DSP revisions to see if they are up to date. There are instructions in the this thread showing how to do it.

I also recommend adding a fan over the HDMI board like this one: http://www.coolerguys.com/comcool.html
If you are facing the front of the unit put the fan on the back right. That is the warmest spot. Install the fan sucking out not blowing in. I know the fan isn't really necessary but I think it is worth it to keep the 886 as cool as possible. It is inaudible and it keeps the 886 cool to the touch. Without the fan the upper right corner gets very warm. Not burn your hand warm but warmer than I like. All modern receivers/preamps get hot around the HDMI/DSP/video chips.

Hi Nick,

The previous poster provides excellent advice, and at this point I wouldn't unduly worry about your unit.

However, to put things in perspective, at the price point we are paying for these units perhaps it is not realistic to expect quality comparable to high-end prepros, regardless of whether the unit is refurbished or brand new.

I also purchased a "refurbished" B unit directly from ShopOnkyo.com, and cosmetically it was indistinguishable from a new unit. That is, it was shipped in the the original manufacturer's packaging and it was absolutely pristine, not even finger prints on the unit. The only thing to suggest it was other than brand new was the labeling on the unit and packaging.

When I first setup the unit, with the exception of an HDMI handshake problem with my TiVoHD, it worked great. However, after a month or so it developed a problem when powering up. It would not produce any audio despite correctly detecting the source signals. The problem got progressively worse until I had to take it to a local authorized repair shop. They couldn't reproduce the problem and shipped it to the central repair facility. After a total of two months the central repair shop couldn't reproduce the problem and forwarded the unit back to me. The unit worked fine for a few weeks and then the problem reoccurred. I shipped it back to the central repair shop and they found the problem to be an internal wiring connection that had to be reseated. I've had the prepro back now about 10 months and it has functioned flawlessly.

My own theory is that these pristine refurbished units are open box specials returned by the owners for what ever reason. Some may be in perfect condition and, others in the case of mine, they may have very subtle, difficult to reproduce defects which were not picked up by Onkyo technical services when they were retested and package for resale.

Let's hope your unit is one of the perfect ones.

Larry
post #2949 of 3236
I have bought three refurbished units directly from shoponkyo. The first was an 805 which was definitely a refurb as it has some minor scratches and it came in a generic box with 805 stickers. The other two were a 885 and 886 that were in factory specific boxes. Both the 885 and the 886 were brand new units in factory sealed boxes. There is no way they were other than new because the packaging was perfect with no refurbished stickers on the back panel of either one.

I strongly believe Onkyo was selling off excess inventory of both the 885s and 886s as newer models were coming out. I assume Onkyo sold these as refurbs so that they could sell them for closeout prices without hurting dealers that still had new A stock units available.

I have not had one issue with both the 885 (which I sold) and the 886 which I currently have in my system. At the right price I would not hesitate to buy a refurbed 886. Especially if the seller states he bought it from shoponkyo and it came in a factory specific box with no refurbs stickers on the back panel. If that is the case it was actually a brand new A stock 886.

Bill
post #2950 of 3236
Thanks for the responses guys. This one came in the regular branded box and doesn't say refurbished or anything as far as I can see. I haven't had time to hook it up yet, but I'm getting pretty damn anxious.

I have one more question for you guys though, is there a general consensus among 886 owners regarding the best way to hook up a cd player? I've been told that to get the best analog stereo performance I should use pure or direct mode as opposed to stereo, but Should I use the standard stereo inputs or the L and R 7.1 inputs? 99% of my stereo listening was done in "direct" mode with my mains running full range when I had the UMC1.
post #2951 of 3236
Use the regular stereo inputs or the XLR stereo inputs if your cd player has XLR. The 7.1 inputs are designed for multichannel. I imagine they would also work for a stereo signal but there really is no reason to use them for that.

Using pure or direct mode will bypass Audyssey and bass management. Which basically means you will have an unmolested signal except for volume control. Pure mode shuts off the video circuits. Besides that it is the same as direct.

Whether or not they sound better than stereo is up to you. I prefer stereo in my setup. My main speakers are Mirage OM-5s. They each have two 8" self powered "subs" built in. If I select direct or pure the bass is over powering with some music. In stereo the bass management and Audyssey makes a huge difference. What sounds better will have a lot to do with your speakers, your room, your preferences, etc.

Of course what sounds good to me may not sound good to you. Try it out and see what you like best.
post #2952 of 3236
I am going to be listing my 886 on Audiogon in one week for $850+Shipping. It was purchased by me from Outlaw Audio and is New Stock.It was taken out of the box and placed in the rack. It has never given me any problems.It has the original firmware that it came from outlaw with. If any of you need one here's your chance for 1-week from today.
Glen
post #2953 of 3236
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

I am going to be listing my 886 on Audiogon in one week for $850+Shipping. It was purchased by me from Outlaw Audio and is New Stock.It was taken out of the box and placed in the rack. It has never given me any problems.It has the original firmware that it came from outlaw with. If any of you need one here's your chance for 1-week from today.
Glen

I imagine it will sell quickly at that price. Good luck with the sale.
post #2954 of 3236
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

I am going to be listing my 886 on Audiogon in one week for $850+Shipping. It was purchased by me from Outlaw Audio and is New Stock.It was taken out of the box and placed in the rack. It has never given me any problems.It has the original firmware that it came from outlaw with. If any of you need one here's your chance for 1-week from today.
Glen

Glenee,

What will replace the 886? As BM said it should sell quickly.

Bill
post #2955 of 3236
I predict it will be sold in under an hour at that price.
post #2956 of 3236
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

What will replace the 886?

Bill

Hi Bill,

Yes, the 886 has represented an exceptional value when it was released, and continues to represent a great value in the resale market.

Perhaps your question is merely rhetorical, but of course for those interested in added features such as Audyssey DSX, MultEQ XT/32, and Network-Ready features, the Onkyo PR-SC5508 has appeal, particularly since Onkyo has apparently reversed their policy and now is supporting Audyssey Pro.

Larry
post #2957 of 3236
Larry is right on all accounts, but if someone needed a Unit to take them to the next level at a more attainable price, a used 886 is a great unit at a great price.
Has Onkyo confirmed that they will support Audyssey Pro with the 5508 ?
Thanks,
Glen
post #2958 of 3236
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

Has Onkyo confirmed that they will support Audyssey Pro with the 5508 ?
Thanks,
Glen

Hi Glen,

Chris K at Audyssey and Kal Rubinson have confirmed Onkyo will support Audyssey Pro on the 5508.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...ostcount=32610

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=121

Larry
post #2959 of 3236
Thanks Larry,
Nothing like hearing it from the Horses mouth.
Glen
post #2960 of 3236
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post
Hi Glen,

Chris K at Audyssey and Kal Rubinson have confirmed Onkyo will support Audyssey Pro on the 5508.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...ostcount=32610

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=121

Larry
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post
Thanks Larry,
Nothing like hearing it from the Horses mouth.
Glen
That's Chris. My info was relayed from Onkyo and is not first-hand.
post #2961 of 3236
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post
That's Chris. My info was relayed from Onkyo and is not first-hand.
Hi Kal,

True, but your observation in which the Onkyo PR-SC5508 shows up on the Audyssey Pro version 3.4 device list, certainly adds credence to Chris' statements.

However, I should add that even if Audyssey has done everything they need to implement Audyssey Pro functionality, that is no guarantee that Onkyo/Integra has done their part. Indications in the Integra DTC-80.2 thread suggests that the Integra firmware is not ready for Audyssey-Pro yet.

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Originally Posted by fitzcaraldo215 View Post
Audyssey made version 3.4 of Audyssey Pro available late last week, which includes support for the 80.2 via Integra Interface 2 and a network connection to the PC running the Pro software. Unfortunately, the 80.2 will not yet support Pro in Integra's current 10/27/10 firmware release. I have been in contact with both Audyssey and Integra Tech Support about it, and, apparently, I am the first to attempt a Pro calibration of the 80.2.

Audyssey Support was, as always, helpful and on target. Integra Support is brusque, unenthusiastic and misinformed, apparently also as always. After initial attempts to blame Audyssey, an Integra engineer said it should work with the latest firmware. I have informed them that is not the case, having tried it to no avail and getting a message from Pro saying that the Integra firmware does not support Pro. Audyssey says the Integra firmware update should be out within 1 to 2 weeks. Integra, at this point, has no clue, but I tend to believe Audyssey.
Since the Onkyo PR-SC5508 is virtually identical to the Integra DTC-80.2, I'm inclined to believe that like the Integra the Onkyo is going to require a firmware upgrade before version 3.4 of Audyssey Pro will work. Hopefully, that firmware upgrade from Onkyo will be available when Kal does his review of the 5508.

Larry
post #2962 of 3236
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post
Thanks Larry,
Nothing like hearing it from the Horses mouth.
Glen
Hi Glen,

Does Onkyo's website count as the Horse's mouth?

http://www.onkyopro.com/model.cfm?m=...s=Preamplifier

Scroll down to the entry labeled "Auto Speaker Calibration w/ Mic."

Larry
post #2963 of 3236
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post
Hopefully, that firmware upgrade from Onkyo will be available when Kal does his review of the 5508.
It better be.
post #2964 of 3236
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post
Hi Glen,

Does Onkyo's website count as the Horse's mouth?

http://www.onkyopro.com/model.cfm?m=...s=Preamplifier

Scroll down to the entry labeled "Auto Speaker Calibration w/ Mic."
Yeah well, I'm sure quite a few people remember them doing the same thing last year with the 5507, showing it as Audyssey Pro capable, and we all know how that ended up! With the Integra 80.1 getting it, and the Onkyo 5507 did not. And later on when asked, Onkyo even went on to say they were not going to get it. As was going to be their way to differentiate the Integra 80.1 from the Onkyo 5507.

So yes, you can call me a skeptic, and no matter what Audyssey says or even what Onkyo says right now. But until the Onkyo 5508 actually gets a firmware that allows and adds the option of Audyssy Pro, I am not firmly convinced at all it's a sure thing to happen.

The only thing that makes me even think they may have have changed their stance on this issue from 5507 last year. Is the fact that the 5508 also was moved over to the consumer division of Onkyo and will be available for sale through all the more easily found consumer Onkyo dealers, and is not limited to just Onkyo Pro dealers like the 5507, and also the previous 885/886 were.

And yes, the info for the list of 'features' on the consumer division Onkyo website for the 5508 & Audyssey Pro, is the same as the one you linked to in their pro division website.

http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=...eamplifier&p=f

But again, even with it being on their consumer website as well, due to what they did last year. I'll only believe it when it actually happens, and not before.
post #2965 of 3236
The Onkyo 5508 is in the "Purchase/Activate MultEQ Pro Licenses" available to Audyssey installers.
post #2966 of 3236
Again, until it actually gets a firmware that enables it, it still don't have it.
post #2967 of 3236
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

Yeah well, I'm sure quite a few people remember them doing the same thing last year with the 5507, showing it as Audyssey Pro capable, and we all know how that ended up! With the Integra 80.1 getting it, and the Onkyo 5507 did not. And later on when asked, Onkyo even went on to say they were not going to get it. As was going to be their way to differentiate the Integra 80.1 from the Onkyo 5507.

So yes, you can call me a skeptic, and no matter what Audyssey says or even what Onkyo says right now. But until the Onkyo 5508 actually gets a firmware that allows and adds the option of Audyssy Pro, I am not firmly convinced at all it's a sure thing to happen.

The only thing that makes me even think they may have have changed their stance on this issue from 5507 last year. Is the fact that the 5508 also was moved over to the consumer division of Onkyo and will be available for sale through all the more easily found consumer Onkyo dealers, and is not limited to just Onkyo Pro dealers like the 5507, and also the previous 885/886 were.

And yes, the info for the list of 'features' on the consumer division Onkyo website for the 5508 & Audyssey Pro, is the same as the one you linked to in their pro division website.

http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=...eamplifier&p=f

But again, even with it being on their consumer website as well, due to what they did last year. I'll only believe it when it actually happens, and not before.

Hi John,

Yes, we have good reason to be skeptical of Onkyo based on their misinformation regarding the 5507, and before I consider buying the 5508 there's two things I'll be waiting for:
  1. Confirmation that the necessary firmware has been released to enable Audyssey Pro
  2. Kal's review.

I nevertheless have confidence in the credibility of Audyssey's information. The fact that the Audyssey Pro software actually lists the 5508 is another positive indication that eventually the 5508 will enable Audyssey Pro.

In the meantime I can wait for this to be sorted out.

Larry
post #2968 of 3236
I believe I might have stumbled onto something interesting. I had my house to myself this morning so I thought I would listen to some music. After an hour or so of listening with my Parasound 2100, BDP-83SE and Salk SongTowers I thought I would compare the 886 to the 2100. I tried the 886 in Stereo (using the HDMI input) with Audyssey and then switched back in forth between the 2100 (Stereo analog output of the 83SE) and much preferred the 2100. Then I tried the Pure Audio mode (HDMI) to the 2100 and of course the 2100 sounds better as I lose the sub when in Pure Audio mode.

Now I did not find the soundstage or imaging was askew with the 886 just that the overall SQ was better with the 2100. The vocals were still centered but the dispersion was not as wide and deep as with the 2100. When using Audyssey in the Stereo mode I found the SQ was congested and imaging overall was not as good as with the 2100. In the Pure Audio mode it was somewhat better but not by much.

Now I'm thinking that testing the analog inputs of the 886 would be a good idea but I did not feel like changing the Stereo outputs from the 2100 to the 886. I have the 5.1 output of the 83SE connected to the 886 so I figured I would compare the 5.1 analog input of the 886 to the 2100. Well I have to say I am shocked at how good the 5.1 analog input of the 886 sounds. I have been listening to Patricia Barber's Verse CD and I'm quite surprised how good the 886 sounds.

The biggest surprise for me is that when comparing the 5.1 analog of the 886 to the 2100 is that the sub plays in both Direct and Pure Audio. At first I thought the sub signal was coming from the 2100 but I powered off the 2100 and sure enough I have my sub playing. I even disconnected the HDMI cable and sure enough the sub is still playing.

So several things surprise me with this comparison. First is how good the 886 sounds when using the 5.1 analog input. Second is that the sub is playing when listening to a 2CH CD with the 5.1 analog input. I assumed there was no bass management when using the 886's 5.1 analog input but I guess the bass management is being done by the 83SE. I'm also hearing how good the multichannel DACs are with the 83SE.

I'm sitting here listening and I still can't believe how good the 886 sounds. I kept thinking well I must have something wrong here but I checked and double checked and only the 886, 83SE, BA A7200 amp and my Anti-Mode 8033 are active in the signal path.

So if there are any other 885/886 owners looking for better analog SQ I would strongly suggest you try using the 5.1 analog input if you have the 83SE or the stock 83 for that matter. I hope someone else tries this so I will know that I'm not mistaken. I just started Beck's Sea Change HDCD and the SQ is excellent!

In the end I still prefer the SQ of the 2100 as the SQ just seems to have a little more space to it but it is very close. I wanted to add that although I have all the 5.1 cables connnected between the 83SE and the 886 all the above listening/comparison was with just my Front R&L speakers and my Rythmik F12SE sub.

Bill
post #2969 of 3236
I'm yet to feel confident I entirely know what's going on with the controls either to my Oppo 983 or Onyko 886, but I have had the opposite experience. (I'd rather spend time listening that fooling with controls, and that's hard to overcome even when I "should" fool with the controls.)

Unprocessed stereo, either from CD or vinyl, sounds constricted and flat. By comparison, processed stereo, especially when decoded as surround, sounds more more open with a better sound stage. I ascribe that to two things: Audessy compensates for problems with the high end in my room, and surround generally sounds better than stereo and the modern surround simulation does a great job.

I'm an old vinyl, tubes better guy. I've still got a Counterpoint tube amp driving my tweeters, and a Counterpoint tube preamp for my vinyl.

But the pure thing just isn't as musical at least to my ears.

My theory, probably wrong, is that given a digital signal, processing it for whatever in the digital domain doesn't add unintended artifacts. The old multifrequency controls added a lot of artifacts, and you wouldn't have caught me dead using them.

One last point, I love SACD and listen to it a lot. Processed stereo sounds, to me, a lot like SACD.
post #2970 of 3236
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Originally Posted by brucest View Post

I'm yet to feel confident I entirely know what's going on with the controls either to my Oppo 983 or Onyko 886, but I have had the opposite experience. (I'd rather spend time listening that fooling with controls, and that's hard to overcome even when I "should" fool with the controls.)

Unprocessed stereo, either from CD or vinyl, sounds constricted and flat. By comparison, processed stereo, especially when decoded as surround, sounds more more open with a better sound stage. I ascribe that to two things: Audessy compensates for problems with the high end in my room, and surround generally sounds better than stereo and the modern surround simulation does a great job.

I'm an old vinyl, tubes better guy. I've still got a Counterpoint tube amp driving my tweeters, and a Counterpoint tube preamp for my vinyl.

But the pure thing just isn't as musical at least to my ears.

My theory, probably wrong, is that given a digital signal, processing it for whatever in the digital domain doesn't add unintended artifacts. The old multifrequency controls added a lot of artifacts, and you wouldn't have caught me dead using them.

One last point, I love SACD and listen to it a lot. Processed stereo sounds, to me, a lot like SACD.

Bruce,

I'm not sure if you were referring to my post above yours but all my listening was done in 2CH. I have not used the simulated surround modes (PLIIx etc) that much as I prefer 2CH music to be 2CH. If you prefer MCH simulation of 2CH music (and many do) thats cool but its not for me. You should try connecting the 983's 7.1 output to the 886's 7.1 input and try that. You might be surprised at how good 2CH from your 983 will sound. I know I was pleasantly surprised.

Bill
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