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post #31 of 3236
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post

Hi Sherv,

I'm afraid you may have misunderstood my remarks. I know that to use Audyssey MultEQ Pro requires a Pro Kit, or calibration by an Audyssey installer. However, inorder to enable the Audyssey MultEQ Pro feature in the Onkyo Pro prepro requires a firmware upgrade. Since that upgrade can't be done via it's Ethernet connection, that leaves using a firmware CD, assuming Onkyo provides it, or sending the unit to Onkyo for service, something very inconvenient.

Larry

I see your question.... No, I believe all you need is a rs-232 capable laptop (or at worst a USB-> serial connector), and the firmware file. They should be identical to the 885/9.8 upgrades.

I'll let you know for sure once I start messing with it.
post #32 of 3236
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post

Hi Sherv,

I'm afraid you may have misunderstood my remarks. I know that to use Audyssey MultEQ Pro requires a Pro Kit, or calibration by an Audyssey installer. However, inorder to enable the Audyssey MultEQ Pro feature in the Onkyo Pro prepro requires a firmware upgrade. Since that upgrade can't be done via it's Ethernet connection, that leaves using a firmware CD, assuming Onkyo provides it, or sending the unit to Onkyo for service, something very inconvenient.

Larry

Nope. The updates are made via the serial port connected to a PC. OTOH, if you are going to hire someone to do the Pro install, he/she can probably do the firmware update at the same session.

Check the various threads on Onkyo/Integra updates for more explanations.
post #33 of 3236
I have an Onkyo 705. I run preouts to Emotiva XPA2/XPA5 combo. It sounds great with my Klipsch reference 5.1 system. I was wondering If I upgraded to the 886/9.9 would I notice any difference?

I don't need the video upconversion as I feed only High Def signals anyway. Would I get any appreciable gain in sound quality ?

I hope to add a Parasound 2 channel preamp with HT bypass for my analog sources.

Hope someone can give me some insight.
post #34 of 3236
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Originally Posted by thecutter View Post

I have an Onkyo 705. I run preouts to Emotiva XPA2/XPA5 combo. It sounds great with my Klipsch reference 5.1 system. I was wondering If I upgraded to the 886/9.9 would I notice any difference?

I don't need the video upconversion as I feed only High Def signals anyway. Would I get any appreciable gain in sound quality ?

I hope to add a Parasound 2 channel preamp with HT bypass for my analog sources.

Hope someone can give me some insight.

I doubt you would hear any direct improvement unless you have a 15' or more run to your amps then the balanced would help. However you would definitely have more features. Does the 705 have Audyssey? If not this could be a BIG improvement in your sound by means a a proper setup.

Also why don't you get a UMC-1 or wait on the XMC-1?

Out of curiosity (because I have a Onkyo 905 and looking at buying a XPA-5 or XPA-2 and XPA-3 for my 5.1 then replacing my 905 with a XMC-1 when it comes out) what do you do with your extra 2 channels and why didn't you buy a XPA-3?
post #35 of 3236
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post

Hi Sherv,

I'm afraid you may have misunderstood my remarks. I know that to use Audyssey MultEQ Pro requires a Pro Kit, or calibration by an Audyssey installer. However, inorder to enable the Audyssey MultEQ Pro feature in the Onkyo Pro prepro requires a firmware upgrade. Since that upgrade can't be done via it's Ethernet connection, that leaves using a firmware CD, assuming Onkyo provides it, or sending the unit to Onkyo for service, something very inconvenient.

Larry

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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post

I see your question.... No, I believe all you need is a rs-232 capable laptop (or at worst a USB-> serial connector), and the firmware file. They should be identical to the 885/9.8 upgrades.

I'll let you know for sure once I start messing with it.

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Nope. The updates are made via the serial port connected to a PC. OTOH, if you are going to hire someone to do the Pro install, he/she can probably do the firmware update at the same session.

Check the various threads on Onkyo/Integra updates for more explanations.

Sherv,

According to this posting the Integra DHC-9.9 needs a new firmware upgrade that won't be available until the end of this month. If that information is correct, I'd be reluctant to apply a firmware upgrade designed for the 885/9.8 prepros.

Thanks. I look forward to your observations.

Kal,

Do you have any additional insights regarding the availability of this new 886/9.9 firmware? Is it likely that you may do a review on them? I'm seriously considering buying one of these new prepros, but from what I've read Onkyo isn't exactly the poster child for user-friendly upgrades. I think perhaps it might be prudent if I waited until this firmware is definitively available from Onkyo before I pull the trigger.

Thanks.

Larry
post #36 of 3236
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post

According to this posting the Integra DHC-9.9 needs a new firmware upgrade that won't be available until the end of this month. If that information is correct, I'd be reluctant to apply a firmware upgrade designed for the 885/9.8 prepros.

of course... I never suggested a 885 upgrade on the 886. I meant, the procedure on the 886 is the same as in the 885; the file itself, of course, is unique to the 886, and it is not out yet.
post #37 of 3236
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post

Kal,

Do you have any additional insights regarding the availability of this new 886/9.9 firmware?

Nope. Everything known as of today is already here on AVS.
post #38 of 3236
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I will be posting my impressions/review of the 886 hopefully by this weekend. And there is not any issues of passing video thru it. The black and white levels are perfectly kept intact. More to come...

Hi Joe,

Thanks, I look forward to your observations.

Regarding your remarks about the black and white levels being correct, was this observation done while upscaling a DVD with the Reon not bypassed? Did you use a calibration disc test pattern, or did you "eyball" it?

Thanks again.

Larry
post #39 of 3236
Recently I place an order on the 886. In anticipation for when it arrives, I want to buy the XLR cables... What connector does it need in the preamp a male or female?
From the photo gallery I see that it needs a female connector but from the manual it seems that is a male connector... So I am confused and want to order the right set of cables when it arrives..
Can someone help me to clarify this.

Thanks,
post #40 of 3236
No need to be confused. XLR connections are polarized, so if you buy standard M-F XLR cables, they will work only one way, the right way.
post #41 of 3236
Should I consider this over the Integra 9.9. The Integra lacks pure audio mode, yet it has gold connectors. Is there any other differences?
post #42 of 3236
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Originally Posted by thecutter View Post

Should I consider this over the Integra 9.9. The Integra lacks pure audio mode, yet it has gold connectors. Is there any other differences?

You'll be able to get the 886 for $150-200 less than a 9.9. Trade off is the 886 only has a 2 year warranty while the 9.9 has a 3 year warranty I believe.
post #43 of 3236
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Originally Posted by epalau View Post

You'll be able to get the 886 for $150-200 less than a 9.9. Trade off is the 886 only has a 2 year warranty while the 9.9 has a 3 year warranty I believe.

actually, the "list" price of the 886 is $50 more than the 9.9, which is strange to me given that it has one year less warranty. Obviously, street prices are more in line with what you said..
post #44 of 3236
Can someone please explain Audyssey MultEQ Pro to me? How do you get it? Does it require a professional installer or can I do it myself. What are the advantages? I have a DTC-9.8.

Mike
post #45 of 3236
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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post

actually, the "list" price of the 886 is $50 more than the 9.9, which is strange to me given that it has one year less warranty. Obviously, street prices are more in line with what you said..

If the list price for the 886 is only $50 that could be attributed to the provided rack ears.
post #46 of 3236
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Originally Posted by mike_wassell View Post

Can someone please explain Audyssey MultEQ Pro to me? How do you get it? Does it require a professional installer or can I do it myself. What are the advantages?

The quick answer is that Audyssey Pro calibration is done by a trained Audyssey Pro installer with a pro kit. You'll have to pay for the installer as well as the license key specific to your pre/pro.

Some of the advantages of the pro calibration is that you can do up to 32 mic placements as opposed to 8, you can choose roll off curves that are suited to your room size and some others. If you want to know more I'd suggest posting questions over in the Audyssey forum.
post #47 of 3236
Are rack ears provided with the 886? Are there feet for placing it on a shelf?
post #48 of 3236
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Are rack ears provided with the 886? Are there feet for placing it on a shelf?

The 886 comes with the rack mount kit in the box which takes up 4U. The kit consists of side panels. Each side panel has a lip that goes under the processor. This is a better system than just rack ears. The unit comes with feet. Using the rack mount kit one would normally remove the feet as they protude below the unit when the rack mount kit is used.
post #49 of 3236
Should I get the 9.9? I don't intend to rack mount the unit.
post #50 of 3236
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Originally Posted by thecutter View Post

Should I get the 9.9? I don't intend to rack mount the unit.

acoustically and electrically, they are identical. Aesthetically you have to decide which one you like best. Price wise, they are within $50 on the street, so it is really a tossup.

I have contacts for both in case you are interested.
post #51 of 3236
I have Prasound C1/A51 and i want to change the C1 to Maranz AV8003 or Onkyo 886 , what should i tack when the movies are prefer d . I need a help please , thanks .
post #52 of 3236
I would wait for the Parasound C3.
post #53 of 3236
What the does the 886 offer above/beyond the 885?
post #54 of 3236
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Originally Posted by fastl View Post

What the does the 886 offer above/beyond the 885?

the differences between the 885 (integra 9.8) and the 886 (integra 9.9) are described here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...ostcount=10759
post #55 of 3236
Ordered the PR-SC886P from ggvideo.com today

proacousticsusa.com and missionelectronics.com also have it.
All 3 seem to be reputable dealers.


For anyone still uncertain about the 886 vs 9.9 here are the differences I have found so far:
Rack mount on the 886 not on 9.9
2 year warranty on 886 vs 3 yr on 9.9
front panel looks different on both
886 includes pure audio mode which is why I selected it. This is an analog bypass mode with minimal processing. The 9.9 also has an analog bypass mode but from what I have read the pure audio on the 886 is better. Obviously, if you are using all digital sources it doesn't matter which you chose, but for people like me who have a turntable the 886 may be the way to go.

Thanks to all the posters!
post #56 of 3236
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Originally Posted by ALDINO View Post

I have Prasound C1/A51 and i want to change the C1 to Maranz AV8003 or Onkyo 886 , what should i tack when the movies are prefer d . I need a help please , thanks .

the upcoming C3 should be a great match for you, but will cost $3500 as compared to the onkyo ($2000 msrp) and 8003 ($2700 msrp).

as for the 886 vs 8003, the following features are missing on the 8003:
* Audyssey Pro capabilities
* Audyssey DynamicEQ
* Audyssey DynamicVolume
* HQV Reon processing (vs Anchor bay)
* ISF calibration

additionally, you cannot engage Audyssey when using HDR codecs (TruHD or DTS-MA), and you cannot matrix the surrounds as well when in this mode.

There are some who have found the marantz to have a "better" analog performance, but you will have to try them out and decide for yourself
post #57 of 3236
They don't like price talk. I would edit your post...
post #58 of 3236
edited.
thanks.
post #59 of 3236
Thread Starter 
hooked everything up in less than 30min, ran audyssey, and all is running as should.

Pros:
* excellent connectivity and flexibility
* Audyssey works flawlessly (except on LFE, see note below)
* in Pure mode, analog performance is surprisingly good. Nowhere near a Proceed AVP2 level, but much better than I expected.
* DynamicEQ is phenomenal!

Cons:
* Audyssey's LFE, as before, is completely ruining my low frequency! See this post.
* gets hot! make sure there is plenty of cooling

more detailed feedback in a few days...
post #60 of 3236
In regards to heat I found that if there is upward air flow for the back half of the unit (where the grill openings are) that the unit runs much cooler. My unit is rack mounted. I found that by putting a shorter component above the PR-SC886P really helped the temperature.
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