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post #3001 of 3236
I'll definitely let you know. I love the HDMI sound and the surround processing. I'm shocked by, at least to my ears, the modes to process two channel sound to surround make such an improvement. I know I'm losing my purist fig leaf when I cay that, but that's what I hear.

I haven't done any careful listening to the multichannel. My first impression is that it has more punch than SACD on HDMI, but from the same 95. I'd assume that's ultimately a comparison between the 886 and 95 DAC's. Comparison is complicated a bit by the fact that there seems to be a large gain difference between multichannel (louder) and HDMI. So comparisons can't be just A B which would be great, but will involve some fumbling around with volume (unless there's some way to preset input gain I don't know about.)
post #3002 of 3236
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Originally Posted by brucest View Post

I'll definitely let you know. I love the HDMI sound and the surround processing. I'm shocked by, at least to my ears, the modes to process two channel sound to surround make such an improvement. I know I'm losing my purist fig leaf when I cay that, but that's what I hear.

I haven't done any careful listening to the multichannel. My first impression is that it has more punch than SACD on HDMI, but from the same 95. I'd assume that's ultimately a comparison between the 886 and 95 DAC's. Comparison is complicated a bit by the fact that there seems to be a large gain difference between multichannel (louder) and HDMI. So comparisons can't be just A B which would be great, but will involve some fumbling around with volume (unless there's some way to preset input gain I don't know about.)

There might be an adjustment within the Oppo 95 to lower the gain. I don't know what the 886 actually does to the signal when you use the multichannel inputs. I believe it doesn't touch them except for volume control. If that is the case then you will have to calibrate the speaker settings, distances, volume, etc. within the Oppo 95.
post #3003 of 3236
Looking for some advice on how to tweak the sound quality.

I use my 886 for watching TV (movies, satelite) about 85% of the time. Playing PS3 and Wii games about 10% and listening to music about 5%.

When listening to movies (especially Blu Rays) the sound from my system is FANTASTIC!

However, when listening to audio (CDs), I am somewhat dissapointed with the sound quality. It could be the speakers, it could be the way I have the speakers set, or other reasons.

Hopefully the picture comes thru, but I have the main speakers set 28" from the side walls and they are spaced 72" apart, and are 12" from the back wall. They are toed in slightly. The couch is about 15' from the front of the TV, and the front of the TV is at the same location as the front of the speakers.

I have run the basic Audessy on the unit, and I do not use "direct" as I like the added punch from my subwoofer when listening to music. I find the "direct" mode very disapointing.

I have an Outlaw 7700 amp (200 wats x 7) and my main speakers are Klipsch RF-7s. The crossovers have been modded by Dean G from the Klipsch Forums.
LL
post #3004 of 3236
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Originally Posted by cp1966 View Post

Looking for some advice on how to tweak the sound quality.

I use my 886 for watching TV (movies, satelite) about 85% of the time. Playing PS3 and Wii games about 10% and listening to music about 5%.

When listening to movies (especially Blu Rays) the sound from my system is FANTASTIC!

However, when listening to audio (CDs), I am somewhat dissapointed with the sound quality. It could be the speakers, it could be the way I have the speakers set, or other reasons.

Hopefully the picture comes thru, but I have the main speakers set 28" from the side walls and they are spaced 72" apart, and are 12" from the back wall. They are toed in slightly. The couch is about 15' from the front of the TV, and the front of the TV is at the same location as the front of the speakers.

I have run the basic Audessy on the unit, and I do not use "direct" as I like the added punch from my subwoofer when listening to music. I find the "direct" mode very disapointing.

I have an Outlaw 7700 amp (200 wats x 7) and my main speakers are Klipsch RF-7s. The crossovers have been modded by Dean G from the Klipsch Forums.

What is it you find lacking in SQ when listening to CDs? When you say a basic calaibration was that with 8 measurements? My guess would be the distance you are from the speakers and that they are fairly close together for that distance. Maybe you could try placing a chair dead center about 8' or so back from the speakers. If you try this and SQ is better it indicates that you might be too far from your speakers for 2CH music listening.

I have the 886 and find 2CH music using my Oppo 83SE sounds very good. I am using Audyssey (8 position calibration) with HDMI and the Stereo mode. My speakers are about 6' apart and I sit about 7.5' away from the speakers (dead center).

Bill
post #3005 of 3236
What I am not fond of is the music just seems dull. I have a smaller set-up upstairs (Denon AVR, Klipsch Kg4 speakers) and the sound is terrific (I have been a Klipsch man since I bought these Kg4s back in '85 or '86).

One thing about Klipsch with the horns, is usually you can stand/sit directly in front of one spekaer and you can hear the other. That is the case with my Kg4s, but not so with the RF7s.

I have the Tom Petty MOJO on DVD Audio, and the John Meyer "Where the Light Is" on Blu-Ray, and they both sound AMAZING, yet 2 ch stereo just doesnt seem to pack much punch.

And I think I only ran 3 seating positions on the Audessy, the 3 seats on the couch that faces the TV. Maybe that is the culprit.
post #3006 of 3236
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Originally Posted by cp1966 View Post

What I am not fond of is the music just seems dull. I have a smaller set-up upstairs (Denon AVR, Klipsch Kg4 speakers) and the sound is terrific (I have been a Klipsch man since I bought these Kg4s back in '85 or '86).

One thing about Klipsch with the horns, is usually you can stand/sit directly in front of one spekaer and you can hear the other. That is the case with my Kg4s, but not so with the RF7s.

I have the Tom Petty MOJO on DVD Audio, and the John Meyer "Where the Light Is" on Blu-Ray, and they both sound AMAZING, yet 2 ch stereo just doesnt seem to pack much punch.

And I think I only ran 3 seating positions on the Audessy, the 3 seats on the couch that faces the TV. Maybe that is the culprit.

It could be the speakers. I'm not sure how big the Kg4 speakers are but maybe you could try them in your main room. I would try sitting closer as I suggested earlier just to give it a shot. I would also suggest reading the Audyssey set up guide which is in the first post of the Audyssey thread. The set up guide will give you great advice on where to place the mic for a full 8 position calibration. There is also much more useful advice in the set up guide as well.

Bill
post #3007 of 3236
I too have been generally disappointed with two channel sound. Normally I process it with THX neural violating my purist credentials but also making it sound a lot better.

Then there's this: SACD disks generally sound great, whether 2 channel or more, without processing and the simulated THX surround sounds much more like 5.1 SACD.
I recently read a substantial Boston Audio Society report on listening tests trying to assess the burning question as to whether SACD sounded better than CD, i.e. could the higher resolution be discerned. The answer was that, working with exactly the same underlying recorded sound, the SACD sound was identified only 50% of the time, i.e. the equivalent of chance. However it was also determined that SACD's in general had better sound when SACD and CD disks were played (i.e. they could identify a high percentage of time when a given disk they were listening to was SACD or CD.)
Since the study showed that the format was not responsible for this, they concluded that since SACD's are made for a smaller enthusiast market, recording engineers aren't compelled to make the compromises they make to enhance the performance of mass market CD's on the vast array of equipment they're played on, i.e. car players, boom boxes, as well as the few high enders.
post #3008 of 3236
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

It could be the speakers. I'm not sure how big the Kg4 speakers are but maybe you could try them in your main room. I would try sitting closer as I suggested earlier just to give it a shot. I would also suggest reading the Audyssey set up guide which is in the first post of the Audyssey thread. The set up guide will give you great advice on where to place the mic for a full 8 position calibration. There is also much more useful advice in the set up guide as well.

Bill

The RF7 line was designed for home theater, I believe. That said, they include a monster horn tweeter and two 10" woofers. The KG4 has a medium size horn tweeter and two 6.5" woofers.

Anywho, I ran the full 8 sequence Audyssey calibration and (GASP) it did make a world of difference. I had only run it 2 or 3 times before.

It now sounds quite different, and for the better.
post #3009 of 3236
Shameless plug....there is a PR-SC886 for sale on Ebay.
post #3010 of 3236
Hmmmmm? Makes me think about selling my PR-SC885. But I love the darn thing.
post #3011 of 3236
I upgraded from my 885 to a 886 a couple months ago. Sold the 885 for $700 and paid $800 for the 886, so the $100 premium was a great deal and money well spent. The Audyssey volume feature sold it for me. It makes an enormous difference since I don't listen at reference levels. Much more impactful and open, with balanced bass. Should have done it a long time ago.
post #3012 of 3236
Hi rtart,

I'm happy things worked out for you. For sure there are several good reasons to make the move. I just hate parting with things I really like and work well for me. I actually entertained the notion of jumping to the 5508 for awhile but sorta seemed like overkill with my modest setup. Like many here I got my 885 for a sick price ... less sick than some of you who got it from ShopOnkyo while I was still procrastinating and waiting for my HK 635 to give me just one more reason to pull the trigger. Which it did BTW right after the ShopOnkyo units were gone. But I have nothing to complain about.

If you don't mind me asking, did you sell privately or on a website?
post #3013 of 3236
I can't get my onkyo pr-sc886 to decode true hd or dts-ma. My sony Bdp s570 is suppose to be able to stream it, it is set to auto (as opposed to PCM). When I hit display it says that it is sending true hd. However the receiver display says PCM, please help!
post #3014 of 3236
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Originally Posted by tmaschm View Post

I can't get my onkyo pr-sc886 to decode true hd or dts-ma. My sony Bdp s570 is suppose to be able to stream it, it is set to auto (as opposed to PCM). When I hit display it says that it is sending true hd. However the receiver display says PCM, please help!

Try using 'direct' mode under the surround modes menu. You might also try setting your BD player to 'bitstream' instead of 'auto.'

I use a PS3 fat and 'direct' which defaults to 'multichannel' when sending PCM to my 886. Every place I have ever looked I'm told that PCM and streamed content is sonically identical....but since I paid extra, I'd like the indicator light to light up, too! My old fat (like me!) PS3 only outputs PCM...however, using PCM does let me use some menu sounds, etc. that bitstreaming will not do.
post #3015 of 3236
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Originally Posted by tmaschm View Post

I can't get my onkyo pr-sc886 to decode true hd or dts-ma. My sony Bdp s570 is suppose to be able to stream it, it is set to auto (as opposed to PCM). When I hit display it says that it is sending true hd. However the receiver display says PCM, please help!

By hitting the display button on the S570 remote it is showing what audio track is playing not how it is being transmitted. I am not familiar with the S570 but that is where the problem lies. If it can bitstream then you need to find out how to set it up to do so. If you have the manual it should state how. If not look for a S570 thread in the bluray seciton.
post #3016 of 3236
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Originally Posted by rtart View Post


Try using 'direct' mode under the surround modes menu. You might also try setting your BD player to 'bitstream' instead of 'auto.'

I use a PS3 fat and 'direct' which defaults to 'multichannel' when sending PCM to my 886. Every place I have ever looked I'm told that PCM and streamed content is sonically identical....but since I paid extra, I'd like the indicator light to light up, too! My old fat (like me!) PS3 only outputs PCM...however, using PCM does let me use some menu sounds, etc. that bitstreaming will not do.

This is exactly my line of thought. I was able to turn off Audio Mix on the Blu ray player and that allowed the player to bitstream. I'm not sure what that setting does when on, but I'll look it up later.
post #3017 of 3236
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Originally Posted by tmaschm View Post

This is exactly my line of thought. I was able to turn off Audio Mix on the Blu ray player and that allowed the player to bitstream. I'm not sure what that setting does when on, but I'll look it up later.

On my Panasonic BD player there is some option to play (enable) secondary audio (commentary, etc) - and I know that stops the HD audio from being streamed... It just streams DD/DTS instead. The setting accidentally got turned on somehow.

Not sure if that's related or not.... but settings like that are aggravating!
post #3018 of 3236
Has anyone had any video dropout problems with the 886? I think I had it happen twice last night over the course of several hours of use and am hoping it doesn't become a regular occurrence.
post #3019 of 3236
I haven't...
What source were you using and how was it connected?
post #3020 of 3236
I also haven't.
post #3021 of 3236
I have never had any video dropouts with my 886 either. I'm guessing I have had my 886 for close to two years maybe longer.

Bill
post #3022 of 3236
I installed a fan over the HDMI board area when I first installed the 886. I noticed the area directly above the HDMI ports gets very warm. Since the 886 does not have a fan I installed one over that area. If you are having video dropouts while using HDMI it could be a sign of the HDMI board over heating. Feel the top of the 886 where the HDMI ports are. That area can get very warm. I have heard of HDMI boards failing and that is usually caused by over heating.

If you are using HDMI and that area is very warm/hot try placing a small fan in the area to cool it down. If that eliminates the video drop outs then order a fan like this to install on top of the 886 over the HDMI area. http://www.coolerguys.com/comcool.html

The fan is inaudible and I have it plugged into the 886 outlets so it powers on and off with the 886. It keeps the 886 cool to the touch even after hours of use.
post #3023 of 3236
Coming back to this thread reminded me about a question I had. I recently installed a network switch to my component rack. I am curious what the 886 ethernet port is capable of? If I remember correctly it doesn't do much.
post #3024 of 3236
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Originally Posted by beekermartin View Post

I installed a fan over the HDMI board area when I first installed the 886. I noticed the area directly above the HDMI ports gets very warm. Since the 886 does not have a fan I installed one over that area. If you are having video dropouts while using HDMI it could be a sign of the HDMI board over heating. Feel the top of the 886 where the HDMI ports are. That area can get very warm. I have heard of HDMI boards failing and that is usually caused by over heating.

If you are using HDMI and that area is very warm/hot try placing a small fan in the area to cool it down. If that eliminates the video drop outs then order a fan like this to install on top of the 886 over the HDMI area. http://www.coolerguys.com/comcool.html

The fan is inaudible and I have it plugged into the 886 outlets so it powers on and off with the 886. It keeps the 886 cool to the touch even after hours of use.

Thanks I'll try that if it happens again. I haven't had it happen again yet. The source was a motorola cable box connected through hdmi.
post #3025 of 3236
Alright had it happen again tonight while watching a blu ray on my BDP-S570. The screen went black for just a second then came back. I felt the top back left corner (when viewed from the front) and it was pretty warm, but not real hot. I don't mind buying the fan, but if the main out board is bad then maybe it needs repair. I just bought it a month or so ago. I guess I'll just wait it out so I can get a better feel for the problem and see how frequent it is or becomes. Thanks for all the quick responses.
post #3026 of 3236
The hdmi board is the back right not left. It is where the hdmi cables attach. Before you order the fan just use any fan you have laying around. Just set it up to blow air over that area.
If the back left is warm then I am willing to bet the back right is hot!
post #3027 of 3236
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Originally Posted by beekermartin View Post

The hdmi board is the back right not left. It is where the hdmi cables attach. Before you order the fan just use any fan you have laying around. Just set it up to blow air over that area.
If the back left is warm then I am willing to bet the back right is hot!

You are right don't know why I thought the back left should be where I touch. The back right was hot! Not so hot that I couldn't leave my hand on it, but hot enough to be uncomfortable looks like I may need to order fans.
post #3028 of 3236
Just get any household fan and have it blow over that area. If it doesn't drop video with the fan on then order the fan I linked to. Your video board could be bad and cooling may not help.
post #3029 of 3236
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Originally Posted by tmaschm View Post

Has anyone had any video dropout problems with the 886? I think I had it happen twice last night over the course of several hours of use and am hoping it doesn't become a regular occurrence.

How have you diagnosed the problem that you know the cause is the 886?
What display device are you using?
What cables are you using?
How long are the cables?
post #3030 of 3236
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Originally Posted by John P View Post


How have you diagnosed the problem that you know the cause is the 886?
What display device are you using?
What cables are you using?
How long are the cables?

Cables are monoprice cables all bought in the last year all about 2-3 ft long (except the one to the tv which is probably 12ft or so. Tv is a panasonic TC-P54vt25. I'll take the processor out of the loop and see what happens.
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