In the process of trying the same - though in my case with a pair of MC1s & a CCR3. I'd be interested in chatting about how you set yours up. I spoke to Wendell at Magnepan but am still a little vague on the details!
I will keep you posted.
MC2's are in, waiting on CC5. Hopefully this week.
I have 3.6 fronts, MC1 rears and a CC3 center. I use an integra 40.1 for the preamp/processor and B&K amps. I mainly use it for blu ray concerts in the HT mode, otherwise it's 2 channel for critical listening.
Well, I just got my new Magnepan 3.7 from my Dealer. The Speaker is already broken in, it played in the shop since July... Got it at a fine second-hand price! Very natural & fine Sound! Great Deal so far!!
I had this idea quite some time back, but because of not being completely certain of the dispersal patterns of sound from these, didn't know if on it's side would do well. Thought?
(the reason for me considering using the full maggie and not one of their dedicated centers, is that, to me, they sound very localized and weak)
Maggies have nulls at their sides, top, and bottom. Those are the facts. The following is speculation, so somebody correct me if I am wrong.
Positioning a full-range rnaggie on its side below the TV, as shown in your picture, would be OK in only two respects: very little bounce from the floor or from the TV. However, full-range maggies need at least 3 feet of space behind them, otherwise the sound suffers. Do you have that space? Also, full-range maggies are not curved like their center speakers; if anything, the sound will become even more localized, i.e. as you move off-axis the volume of your horizontal full-range maggie will diminish.
Why don't you try it with a single full-range maggie (no left and right speakers for this experiment) and let us know your results?
I solved the "weak" aspect of my MMG-C by adding the DMW woofer to my center channel. My center channel is now as full-range as my left and right MMG's. Moreover, I like the way my center channel anchors the sound image. Together with the side nulls of the MMG's, one can sit at extreme right or extreme left of my home theater and still enjoy a wide, deep and immersive sound stage. In other words, when sitting at extreme sides the speaker closest to you does not become unbearably loud; all speakers continue to do their job in making an excellent surround-sound presentation.
In the mid- to upper-frequencies the Maggies act as a line source, which means they tend to radiate in a straight line from the drivers. That in turn means not much sound if you are not directly in line with the speaker; little from sides, top, and bottom. This is a feature in many rooms as interaction with side walls, floor, and ceiling is reduced compared to a conventional driver. There is also that pesky back-wave to deal with (endemic to any dipole, planar dynamic, electrostatic, or dynamic driver). The center will need to be spaced away from the front wall just as the main L/R speakers, and angled to provide a cohesive sound at the listener.
Personally, unless you already have the center, I would go with the CCx plus center speaker-stand or DWM instead. Many of the same issues, but it's easier to set up...
BTW, the L/R Maggies look toed in a bit much, or is that an illusion?
Not my setup, Was a photo I had found on the MYE site. I had thought about it quite a while back, after first getting the 1.5qr's that I have, and hearing them compared to the traditional driver Boston VR series that I use in my dedicated theater.
Didn't realize you were also a Colorado guy, Don. Could have met at RMAF with all the other nerds.
I was curious if anyone here has the MC1 on wall setup with the dual center channel and left/right flanking the centers as seen on their website and how the like it?
Im trying to figure out if the MC1s have enough output as my room is 15ft wide and about 24ft deep. Although i would like to get a floor standing speaker like a mmg or m12, i can only place them about 16 inches from my main front wall. Bass isnt a concern for me given my sub setup
Finally does anyone know if there are any issues with integrating a infinite baffle with 4 15s. Im worried the q might be too low and hence produce slow/sloppy bass.
Just getting caught up after a while of not reading the thread. Wanted to chime in on the 'Maggies aren't for metal' bul er concept. Maggies reproduce sounds very well. Doesn't matter whether you like metal (which is the primary thing my 1.5s have been playing for almost 20 years), classical, jazz, movies or some weird natural sounds recording. I suspect it's the bass 'slam' v accuracy issue that has led to the misconception they won't work. I've never felt a lack of 'slam' - there's plenty of bass present.
My problem is I think I like exaggerated slam and punch etc. and the Maggies don't do that, at least mine don't in my room. With my Captivator crossed over really high it's not a problem but I don't like that I have to set it up that way. I know it shouldn't matter but I just don't like having to constantly switch the crossover for tv and movies.
Nice to see that I'm not the only Maggie guy who listens to non old man music (I'm getting old myself so I mean no offense with that comment!!)
Finally does anyone know if there are any issues with integrating a infinite baffle with 4 15s. Im worried the q might be too low and hence produce slow/sloppy bass.
Thanks for any advice
A good IB is the best bass available! I have 4x18's from FI car audio. There are very good IB specific drivers out there, Q should be around .7 which will provde very nice bass. I'm running an (older) Audio Control 'Richter Scale' sub crossover and equalizer, x-over set to 80hz. It is phenomenal.
As new owner of the 3.7's with 3 0r 4 hundred hours play time I'm waiting for these bad boys to bust loose. I recently removed the sandstone 1 ohm resistors and discovered an airyness missing that was described in several happy reviews. However some brassyness came with it. After wincing for a few hours I reinstalled the tweeter resistors to find the airy down but the brass abides. Perhaps I should have then put the midrange resistors back in tho it would be a hassle just to prove the glare is from the midrange. Harry and Val enthused through their opines without the 1ohm angle so I'm asking my fellowhelpers their experiences. Hey, maybe it's too soon to be riding bareback.
I have a pair of 3.6r's that I have used for 2 channel only. My HT system is all Klipsch.
I love the sound of the 3.6's so much that I have decided to try a Maggie surround set up.
To start, I have ordered a pair of MC2's and a CC5, to use in the tri-center configuration. I am getting a pair of the portable mounting stands to try out the MC2's in different positions in my room for surround sound use as well.
Should be in sometime next week.
Just curious if anyone else has tried this out yet.
So how do you like the tri-center set-up? Did you wire MC2s in series (dual mono) and then CC5 in parallel, feeding them the same center channel signal? Or did you use any special sound processing upstream?
How does the tri-center compare with just the MC2s in dual mono configuration? Did you try that?
I've been wrestling with a decision over the last couple of days and then I remembered, I could just ask the experts. I have a pair of MMGs has the mains in my home theater (family room). I love them. They are great for music and TV watching. I've been planning to finish out the theater with a pair of MMGWs for surround and the MMGC center. BUT that's not what this is about at all.
Downstairs I have a large living room (it's L shaped, somewhere on the order of 25 x 15 with a 10 x 15 dogleg). We have absolutely no electronics in there now. I want to add some music, mostly for background when company is over. I was going to pick up a pair of really cheap (~$100) bookshelves or foorstanders (sony B-3000 or SS-F6000). Then I thought that maybe the MMGWs would be a good alternative. I know that the low-end wouldn't be anywhere close to the MMGs with a sub that I have upstairs, but would they provide enough sound to fill the room? The ideal would probably be in-cieling, but trust me that's not an option.
So should I just get a pair of boxes (ugh) or keep living the planar dream? Can the MMGWs do duty as bookshelf replacements or are they surround channels only?
I agree with Beto. I used to have the MMG-Ws as mains when I was in between speakers. I was just doing it so that I had *something* hooked up, but when I blended in my SVS sub (at the time) I was really surprised how much I liked it. It won't sound as good as a pair of MMGs and a sub, and I wouldn't want to run them solo, but with a little help in the low end it can be a very satisfying set-up for not a lot of money.
I'll tell you what sub that I never hear anyone talking about, but that blends in really well with Maggies - the M8 from Outlaw audio. I like it so much that I use it with my 3.6s for HT. (With music I just run the 3.6s full range.) It's only got an 8" driver, but it sounds great, IMO. Something like that blended in with the MMG-Ws would be a really nice set up. Just try to give the Ws some juice...they are a little easier to drive than the other Maggies, but they still sound better with at least 100 watts of decent amplification. Typically the amp sections of receivers won't cut it.
Interested in hearing from anyone here that owns the new Magnepan CCR Center Channel Speaker.
I currently use a pair of MG 20.1's for my main speakers in my home theater setup along with a Magnepan CC2 center channel speaker which I've had for the last 9 years.
I'd like to know if upgrading to the CCR center channel speaker is a worthwhile investment especially considering that the CCR sells for about $3,000.
Has anyone used a Magnepan CC2, CC3 or even a CC5 and compared it to the CCR? What are your thoughts? Does the performance obtained from the CCR warrant the $3k price tag?
I know that the CCR was actually designed to be used with the 20.1's and also the 3.7's and the 3.6's so I'm really tempted to take the plunge and pick up a CCR but wanted to get some opinions from people that have purchased one first.
I had the honor of being one of the first customer's to own the new CCR. I had been waiting quite a while knowing this was in the works, as I REALLY wanted something that went well with my 3.6's. I used a non-maggie center as a weak place holder for a LONG time waiting for this..it was worth the wait.
So I thought I would share my experience...
First and most important (as you would read on their site) is setting up the CCR is very very different than any other center speaker you likely have experienced. In a nut shell, there are three things that are key:
1. You MUST get your bass management to re-direct center channel bass to the L/R speakers, not your sub. This is done usually by telling your processor you don't have a sub which forces the bass to the mains rather than the sub. Some processors will, if you have a "large" L/R setting, redirect to the L/R instead of the Sub without having to set the menu to "no sub" to redirect the bass to the main L/R.
2. You MUST set the crossover on your center to somewhere around 180-250hz -ish, so everything below that point is re-directed to the L/R speaker (due to #1 above). The CCR starts to drop off around 200hz and needs the L/R (3.6's in my case) to fill in from from 200hz down. This gets the 3.6's to "support" the CCR to get a very nice full range sound out of the center channel that sounds like a "full 3.6 in the center".
3. You likely MUST have a sub that is designed to take the signal off of the main L/R amp. input so your sub will pick up the low end frequencies that are now re-routed to the mains. If your sub is not the kind that can be wired to the inputs of the main L/R, you will likely have issues. I use a REL Britainia sub which wires nicely with the REL Speakon cable to L/R inputs on the amp, allowing it to fill in the bass below where the 3.6's rolloff (just under 50hz).
This setup is tricky and complex (and potentially frustrating), but gives a very interesting "illusion" of a full 3.6 in the center channel. Very clever design and sounds fantastic. I now get GREAT center sound out of my system for movies and still all the joy of the 3.6's for music I have always loved.
Key Cautions if you are thinking of buying a CCR:
- Make sure your processor will support crossovers at around 200hz or so. Some have low cross over "caps" which will cause a "hole" in the mid bass.
- You need to have a sub that can get the bass signal from the L/R input to the amplifier as I noted above. The REL sub I use is set to grab anything that is coming to the L/R speaker below 50hz which fills in the bottom nicely on the 3.6's when they start to rolloff (great setup for music btw to get that 50hz and down range that maggies cannot produce). IF your processor required you to say "no sub" to get correct bass redirection, this setup is how you will get your LFE bass to your sub as the direct LFE will be disabled.
Yes, I know this was long and complex, but don't let the complexity of the CCR setup put you off. Just be sure you know what you are getting into before you buy it, as this is not like any other center you may have used. Magnepan was VERY helpful with questions and support. Sadly, my dealer was not very helpful as they did not have any experience with this setup yet.
Thanks, this was very helpful.
Do you know if it's possible to use the Magnepan CCR center channel speaker without using a subwoofer? I use a pair of Magnepan MG 20.1's for my main speakers in my home theater setup and to be honest I don't need a sub because the 20.1's deliver all the bass I need.
I am currently using a Magnepan CC2 center channel speaker and I am trying to decide if I should buy the CCR to replace it.
No, you don't need a sub if you are happy with what you have (I would be!)
The CCR adds the ribbon tweeter vs. the quasi-ribbon of the CC2/3/5. Personally, I decided a CC3 was good enough for my MG-IIIa's, especially at my age (50+), and have been happy with it. I was/am not happy with the CCR's high LF cutoff (200 Hz) compared to my CC3 (80 Hz). I could not justify the 3x price difference for the ribbon that I probably wouldn't hear and reduced LF extension. I have not heard a CC2.
IMO, using the mains for the LF may be problematic, depending upon your room setup. The risk is that the center may sound "disconnected" if you are not in the center imaging sweet spot. A well-treated room and/or careful seating and/or optimization (e.g. Audyssey XT32) may mitigate, or at least reduce, that problem.
I recently replaced my venerable MGCC with a CCR. My solution to the lack of low-frequency output was to also purchase the CC woofer stand, that provides the proper high-pass crossover to the CCR. The stand, which uses the same "opposing magnet" technology as the woofer panel of the 20.1, responds down to about 60 hz, and below that I cross over to my JL Labs Fathom 113. My left and rights are 3.6Rs on Mye stands.
The CCR is the only Maggie center channel speaker that has a true ribbon tweeter, which matches the extension and speed of the ribbons in the 3.6, 7 and 20.1. Also, the quasi-ribbon midrange uses the technology of the 20.1 midrange. The CCR/CC stand combo is a superbly articulate loudspeaker that provides the best match for the larger Maggies that also have ribbon tweeters. But what is required to create a center channel that truly matches the "scale" of the larger Maggies is to add a pair of MMC2s on stands (or wall mounted) on either side of the screen, which in my case is 50'' x 92". This produces a center "system" with a total radiating area of 674 square inches, similar to that of a 3.6, which is 700 square inches. Two additional channels of power amplification are of course also required to drive the MMC2s, which receive the same center channel signal as the CCR/CC stand.
2 channel material is outstanding when played via Dolby Pro Logic II on this setup. The result is far superior to a phantom center, and also superior to the CCR/CC alone. And of course, multichannel sources benefit from the large area center channel as well.
Clearly, only the dedicated enthusiast will be likely to accept the added complexities and cost of a Tri-Center setup. But for such individuals, the sonic rewards are well worth it. All Magneplanar fans need to hear the improvements that the Tri-Center can bring to an already excellent system.