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post #2221 of 3520
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Originally Posted by ghscholtens View Post

Hello Tech Hifi
What preamp/processor did you test with? The combination is also relevant with these differient amp's.
GS

Agreed, I used the W4S DAC 2, it has digital volume and since I only listen to music via a laptop, it works perfect. I also matched the volume of each amp using pink noise and an SPL meter. Most people fail to do this and will usually choose the amp that sounds louder in a direct comparison.
post #2222 of 3520
i got a problem with system/speaker integration of magnepan based on their recommended set-up. my system are as follows:
1) magnepan 1.6 set as large
2) magnepan cc5 set as small
3) magnepan mmg set as small
4) subwoofer emotiva ultra 12 (powered)
5) amplifier emotiva mps 1
6) receiver denon avr2105
7) monitor panasonic g10

i follow the instruction of magnepan that during the system/speaker integration especially with cc5 i have to set my receiver with no subwoofer and do the pink noise test also to set the crossover from 150-250hz. my problem with this kind of set-up is i missed the .1 or those explosion from the movies or musical dvd.
any suggestion or recommendation is highly appreciated.
thank you very much.
post #2223 of 3520
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Originally Posted by eklan2 View Post

i got a problem with system/speaker integration of magnepan based on their recommended set-up. my system are as follows:
1) magnepan 1.6 set as large
2) magnepan cc5 set as small
3) magnepan mmg set as small
4) subwoofer emotiva ultra 12 (powered)
5) amplifier emotiva mps 1
6) receiver denon avr2105
7) monitor panasonic g10

i follow the instruction of magnepan that during the system/speaker integration especially with cc5 i have to set my receiver with no subwoofer and do the pink noise test also to set the crossover from 150-250hz. my problem with this kind of set-up is i missed the .1 or those explosion from the movies or musical dvd.
any suggestion or recommendation is highly appreciated.
thank you very much.

How do you have the sub connected? It should be hooked up to the fronts out and the .1 should be going to the fronts
post #2224 of 3520
the sub is connected from the pre-out of my receiver(denon avr 2105) to my powered sub (emotiva ultra 12)
post #2225 of 3520
The sub preout?
post #2226 of 3520
yes the sub is connected at the pre-out of my denon avr2105...
post #2227 of 3520
The technique uses the mains full-range with the sub in parallel. You will need to connect the sub to the main L/R pre-outs using a combiner, or if the sub has speaker-level inputs tie them to the amp outputs of your AVR. The AVR should be set to no sub.

Or, you can hook up conventionally with the L/R set to large and sub into the sub (.1) preamp output.
post #2228 of 3520
Hi all,
I am considering a whole new system for my new house. as such i was leaning towards a motorised mmc2 for LR with 2 DMW and the matching CC5 for front duties and the Mc1 for rears. not too worried about adding a dedicated sub as this system is mainly for music and tv/occasionnal movie watching.I already have a dediacted HT room but when the kids are in it i still like to listen to music and watch movies with quality speakers.
m a little on sure about what amp to drive this system. I will probably go for an emotiva amp but was wondering if the xpa5 would be powerfull enough to drive the system correctly or should i go for the xpa2 and xpa3 for the rest.obviously m sure the xpa2/3 combo would be far superior, but if you guys reckon that i d get great results with the xpa5 , i ll go the cheaper way and get the xpa5.
regards
john
post #2229 of 3520
You have to keep in mind that the Maggie on-wall speakers are weak in the bass department. MMC 2's have "Freq. Resp. - 100 Hz- 24 kHz", while MC1's have "Freq. Resp. - 80-24kHz". There are very few subs that work well at that high a crossover (you would probably have to use 120hz or higher) and when you get that high, directionality starts to come into play, possibly requiring two or more subs, or as Magnepan says: "For those customers that have a system consisting of only on-wall models such as the MC 1 or MMC 2, we strongly suggest that you consider the addition of a Maggie Woofer to provide the full-range Magneplanar sound."
post #2230 of 3520
1. An XPA-5 will be plenty of power. Your AVR may be enough.
2. You are going to want a sub, or at least a Maggie woofer as cctvtech said, even for "just music". I use a pair of Rythmiks with my Maggies. In your place I would consider one as they blend well with Maggies and have sufficient HF response and "speed" to integrate well.
post #2231 of 3520
Hi DonH50 and cctvtech
thanks for the reply. i will indeed get 2 of the maggies woofers or may be even 3, one for each channel at the front ( if funds permit). m really not to fuss about the rears so may noit even go with the mc1 but may be an inceiling pair for rear duties. as for adding a stand alone sub, i ll see once i ve used the system for a few months to decide if i need one. m hoping that 2 or 3 maggies woofer be enough for me. if i want to watch a movie with heaps of bass slam, i ll just go into the ht room where i have 3 subs...
m glad to read that the xpa5 will be enough.
i ve read a few times that maggies shine when pushed hard and loud.is that correct.m not sure ill be doing that too many times with 2 kids and a wife around. the reason i want to go with magies is that i love detail and realism in music, but if the maggies only shpw that at high level it may defeat my purpose...
regards
john
post #2232 of 3520
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Originally Posted by Jmstpierre View Post

Hi DonH50 and cctvtech
thanks for the reply. i will indeed get 2 of the maggies woofers or may be even 3, one for each channel at the front ( if funds permit). m really not to fuss about the rears so may noit even go with the mc1 but may be an inceiling pair for rear duties. as for adding a stand alone sub, i ll see once i ve used the system for a few months to decide if i need one. m hoping that 2 or 3 maggies woofer be enough for me. if i want to watch a movie with heaps of bass slam, i ll just go into the ht room where i have 3 subs...
m glad to read that the xpa5 will be enough.
i ve read a few times that maggies shine when pushed hard and loud.is that correct.m not sure ill be doing that too many times with 2 kids and a wife around. the reason i want to go with magies is that i love detail and realism in music, but if the maggies only shpw that at high level it may defeat my purpose...
regards
john

Loud is a relative term. For me, loud is low 80db's peaking in low 90's. My MMG's sound great at any volume, at least up to what I consider loud. I agree with cctvtech though, I need the sub to fill out the bass, especially at lower volumes.
post #2233 of 3520
hi david
thanks for the reply.
when you mean a sub, you r talking about the maggie woofer or a proper standalone subwoofer???
thanks again
john
post #2234 of 3520
I need a good amp/preamp for the 1.7s at around $1700. I was thinking about the parasound 2250/2100. Does anyone think they would sound good with the Maggies?
post #2235 of 3520
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Originally Posted by Jmstpierre View Post

hi david
thanks for the reply.
when you mean a sub, you r talking about the maggie woofer or a proper standalone subwoofer???
thanks again
john

I have a non Magnepan standalone sub
post #2236 of 3520
I loved my MG-Is, which went down to about 50 Hz or so, and never felt the need to go lower until I built a good sub and discovered how much I missed the bottom octave.

The Maggie woofers go down to about 40 Hz (spec), depending upon placement etc. The low E string on a guitar is about 42 Hz so it's barely there. And, you will miss some of the LF percussive stuff from drums and piano attacks with only them... It is true it is hard to find a sub that works well with Maggies, but there are a few. At 80 Hz most people may not be able to localaize the sub (tell where it is), but I can (and I know I am not alone), so I prefer duals and low crossover points. The filters are not brick-wall so there will be some content above the corssover point, thus again my preference for a lower crossover (or dual subs).

With budget and space limitations I would be very hard-pressed to decide between a pair of Maggie woofers and a single sub. Ideally, I would get a pair of larger Maggies and a single sub (or dual subs if you have space and funds) crossed over in the 50 - 100 Hz range, or a pair of Maggie woofers with the wall-mounts and a single sub to pick up the bottom octave. The single sub could be added later, of course.

I have MC1s, but only as surrounds and rears in my system. They definitely lack bass, but that was a given.

HTH - Don
post #2237 of 3520
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Originally Posted by echen1024 View Post

I need a good amp/preamp for the 1.7s at around $1700. I was thinking about the parasound 2250/2100. Does anyone think they would sound good with the Maggies?

There are lots of people that love Emotiva equipment. I can't vouch for either.
post #2238 of 3520
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Originally Posted by Jmstpierre View Post

Hi DonH50 and cctvtech
thanks for the reply. i will indeed get 2 of the maggies woofers or may be even 3, one for each channel at the front ( if funds permit). m really not to fuss about the rears so may noit even go with the mc1 but may be an inceiling pair for rear duties. as for adding a stand alone sub, i ll see once i ve used the system for a few months to decide if i need one. m hoping that 2 or 3 maggies woofer be enough for me. if i want to watch a movie with heaps of bass slam, i ll just go into the ht room where i have 3 subs...
m glad to read that the xpa5 will be enough.
i ve read a few times that maggies shine when pushed hard and loud.is that correct.m not sure ill be doing that too many times with 2 kids and a wife around. the reason i want to go with magies is that i love detail and realism in music, but if the maggies only shpw that at high level it may defeat my purpose...
regards
john

I considered the same setup, mc2 with the dmw woofer and cc5

In the end I just went with 1.7's and the cc5 because it was cheaper

I have a subwoofer but for music, I think you could get away without one.

And I think Maggie's sound great even with moderate sound
post #2239 of 3520
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

I loved my MG-Is, which went down to about 50 Hz or so, and never felt the need to go lower until I built a good sub and discovered how much I missed the bottom octave.

The Maggie woofers go down to about 40 Hz (spec), depending upon placement etc. The low E string on a guitar is about 42 Hz so it's barely there. .

HTH - Don

Bass guitar low e is 42 Hz

Regular guitar is 82 Hz

Personally I would say the Maggie's will output 40 Hz, but not much lower

It still a good point there are some musical instruments that can go pretty low, piano, tuba organ

A lot of music doesn't have anything played that low except for some drums

And I agree, at 80hz I can pick out a sub, at 50 Hz not really and yeah there is a certain fun factor with a big bad low frequency sub

Although I have to admit, there are times my sub has been turned off and I didn't notice for awhile.....
post #2240 of 3520
Sorry, I usually specify bass guitar but got sloppy. The lowest key on a piano is about 27 Hz (but you need a decent grand to get significant fundamental energy); bass tuba and bass viola go maybe mid-30's to 40'ish Hz. A big organ will go to 32 Hz (16 Hz if it's REALLY big!) Most of the musical energy below 40 - 50 Hz is percussive -- the whack of a drum or sound of a hammer hitting (or finger plucking) the strings.

The figure is from Reference Data for Radio Engineers, 5th ed., Sams, 1968.

LF response depends on the Maggies -- my MC1s will not reach 40 Hz, not even close, but my MG-IIIa's will go a bit below that and 20's even lower. If the on-walls would reach 40 - 50 Hz he could probably get away without a sub. With on-walls, rated to 80 Hz (with room gain), IMO he'll need at least a Maggie woofer (or two) for music. I agree if he can fit 1.7's he'd be way ahead sound-wise and save some money in the process...
LL
post #2241 of 3520
I have just finalized ny decision for Maggie 1.7s with an Emotiva XPA-2 amp and will get a preamp if needed. Any thoughts on how my system will sound and if I need a preamp?
post #2242 of 3520
I have been interested in buying a pair of Maggie's for a while now. I have been considering the MMG's to try out against my Ascend Sierra1's. Any opinions on how those two will compare? I realize that I will need to adjust and tweak my subwoofer settings and positioning. My sub is an MFW-15 and I am using a Denon avr-4308 to power everything. Any suggestions or tips for optimizing the sound of the MMG's? I would also love to hear some of your opinions on how the MMG'S compare to the Ascend Sierra-1's?
post #2243 of 3520
do i need to have a splitter from my avr to the subwoofer?
post #2244 of 3520
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Originally Posted by eklan2 View Post
do i need to have a splitter from my avr to the subwoofer?
How do you plan to connect the sub?
post #2245 of 3520
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Originally Posted by echen1024 View Post

I have just finalized ny decision for Maggie 1.7s with an Emotiva XPA-2 amp and will get a preamp if needed. Any thoughts on how my system will sound and if I need a preamp?

What are you using for a source?
post #2246 of 3520
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post


What are you using for a source?

I will be using m4a. files and CDs
post #2247 of 3520
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post


What are you using for a source?

I will be using my cable box, blu-ray and m4a. files
post #2248 of 3520
Well, I am runing my 3.7 with a Paradigm Studio Sub 12 and it blends very well sonically! The Paradigm is adjusted to play up to around 35Hertz, the 3.7 have quite a deep bass and go very low for a planar speaker! Dont let You fool by opinions that claim the Maggies have no deep lower end, consider also that they need hundreds of hours to develop into the lower range and of course the results are also dependent of the used power amp and the cables. By adding some NBS top of the line powercords the results were at least very surprising ;-))

Cheers
post #2249 of 3520
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Originally Posted by echen1024 View Post

I will be using my cable box, blu-ray and m4a. files

Driving what now??? Do you have an AVR, a switch box, or what? How are you driving the amp? If you already have an AVR or switcher with volume control you don't need another preamp.
post #2250 of 3520
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Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

I have been interested in buying a pair of Maggie's for a while now. I have been considering the MMG's to try out against my Ascend Sierra1's. Any opinions on how those two will compare? I realize that I will need to adjust and tweak my subwoofer settings and positioning. My sub is an MFW-15 and I am using a Denon avr-4308 to power everything. Any suggestions or tips for optimizing the sound of the MMG's? I would also love to hear some of your opinions on how the MMG'S compare to the Ascend Sierra-1's?

Optimizing the sound is all about putting in the time to find the perfect speaker positions in your room. Tedious but makes all the difference.

I have never heard Ascend speakers so no comment, sorry.
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