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post #481 of 3542
Mupi, your setup can work (the CC3 uses the same driver arrangement) with one important caveat: If anyone sits to the left or right of the speaker, they will hear seriously rolled off output due to a lack of horizontal dispersion from the drivers.

Eric
post #482 of 3542
can anyone ID these?

post #483 of 3542
They look like my old MG1b's.
post #484 of 3542
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

The "O Brother Where Art Thou" soundtrack really does shine on Mags. That is one of the discs I use to audition speakers with. Nothing I've heard comes close to doing it justice the way Mags do. My old 3.6R's were amazing with it.

Which pieces do you like best at testing the speakers?

thanks -- i like your idea.
post #485 of 3542
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Originally Posted by blizzardo View Post

can anyone ID these?


I have a pair in my basement that look just like that!
As mentioned they are MG I's

I think I'm sending mine back to get redone this summer, what the heck then I'll have four working pair of maggies...

I may need counseling...
post #486 of 3542
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Originally Posted by ryuspeed View Post

Well of course a step by step would be the best :-) but we beggars can't be choosers. Basically an idea of the materials and what you did.

Hey all...

I have put up a step by step guide on how to build these at:

http://magnepanstands.com/

Comments and suggestions welcome!

This kind of stand would also benefit the MG-12 as well, although the bottom panel would need to be a bit shorter.

Enjoy!

-ss
post #487 of 3542
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Originally Posted by elockett View Post

Mupi, your setup can work (the CC3 uses the same driver arrangement) with one important caveat: If anyone sits to the left or right of the speaker, they will hear seriously rolled off output due to a lack of horizontal dispersion from the drivers.

Eric

yep that is the way it is. but since I am the only one and I can sit at the center or turn the MMG, it is fine. I like the sound. Needless to say that it is crystal clear. I mostly watch HD cable and I dont have to turn up the volume at all unless it is some lousy cable movie.

Now what do I do with the other one? Even if Magnepan agrees to take the MMGs back, I would like to keep one if I can sell the other.

So if anyone is interested in using a single MMG let me know. If you have an acoustically transparent screen you could put one vertically behind the screen. I bought it brand new from the dealer for 661. I guess 250+shiiping is a decent price for a single MMG.
post #488 of 3542
Quote:
Originally Posted by s.bradford View Post

Hey all...

I have put up a step by step guide on how to build these at:

http://magnepanstands.com/

Comments and suggestions welcome!

This kind of stand would also benefit the MG-12 as well, although the bottom panel would need to be a bit shorter.

Enjoy!

-ss

Great. Appreciate your effort in putting all the details.
I was wondering if you could add some pictures.
post #489 of 3542
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

yep that is the way it is. but since I am the only one and I can sit at the center or turn the MMG, it is fine. I like the sound. Needless to say that it is crystal clear. I mostly watch HD cable and I dont have to turn up the volume at all unless it is some lousy cable movie.

Now what do I do with the other one? Even if Magnepan agrees to take the MMGs back, I would like to keep one if I can sell the other.

So if anyone is interested in using a single MMG let me know. If you have an acoustically transparent screen you could put one vertically behind the screen. I bought it brand new from the dealer for 661. I guess 250+shiiping is a decent price for a single MMG.


It sounds (no pun intended) like you have a good solution with the single MMG. Enjoy, and good luck with your sale of the other one.

Eric
post #490 of 3542
Hello Friends,

It has been repeated many times that you can dramatically improve the sound of your MMGs by placing your speakers vertically and also raising them so that the center of the speakers are at about ear level.

So I built my speaker stands with a total cost of $20 (for both speakers). I had to raise them about 24inches as my listening position is on a higher tier seating in my home theater.

Since all my tools are still stored away in a storage place I got all my materials from Menards. I even found a guy to cut the scrap middle pieces of wood (14.5 inches width) for me. The sides were 24in "oak" stained book shelves--each costed $4.50. All these are also available at Home Depot and they also cut the wood for you. Take the screws/bolts from your original stands with you and you will easily get them in slightly longer lenghts. Sometimes the people at Ace Hardware are more helpfull.

In less than 1 hr these were built. This is the cheapest and best improvement in sound I have achieved with my MMGs. I will build better looking stands in the future, but I have proved to myself that raising the speakers and vertical placement is mandatory.

I have linked the pictures below.

http://picasaweb.google.com/imuesmai...eat=directlink

They don't look as ugly as they appear in the pictures. Once the lights go out you don't see anything but the screen. Some say that your speakers should not be visible in your home theater---but who ever gave that advice has probably never owned maggies either.

Thanks,
Imu
post #491 of 3542
Quote:
Originally Posted by imuesmail View Post

Hello Friends,

It has been repeated many times that you can dramatically improve the sound of your MMGs by placing your speakers vertically and also raising them so that the center of the speakers are at about ear level.

So I built my speaker stands with a total cost of $20 (for both speakers). I had to raise them about 24inches as my listening position is on a higher tier seating in my home theater.

Since all my tools are still stored away in a storage place I got all my materials from Menards. I even found a guy to cut the scrap middle pieces of wood (14.5 inches width) for me. The sides were 24in "oak" stained book shelves--each costed $4.50. All these are also available at Home Depot and they also cut the wood for you. Take the screws/bolts from your original stands with you and you will easily get them in slightly longer lenghts. Sometimes the people at Ace Hardware are more helpfull.

In less than 1 hr these were built. This is the cheapest and best improvement in sound I have achieved with my MMGs. I will build better looking stands in the future, but I have proved to myself that raising the speakers and vertical placement is mandatory.

I have linked the pictures below.

http://picasaweb.google.com/imuesmai...eat=directlink

They don't look as ugly as they appear in the pictures. Once the lights go out you don't see anything but the screen. Some say that your speakers should not be visible in your home theater---but who ever gave that advice has probably never owned maggies either.

Thanks,
Imu

That has always compromised the sound in every installation I have heard, excepting speakers that were designed for in wall installation. Sound always comes first for me, before aesthetics. Fortunately for me, I have an agreeing wife.
post #492 of 3542
Nope they dont look ugly at all. Look pretty good.
post #493 of 3542
Quote:
Originally Posted by elockett View Post

It sounds (no pun intended) like you have a good solution with the single MMG. Enjoy, and good luck with your sale of the other one.

Eric

well the dealer agreed to take the MMGs back. I called Magnepan and told them about the MMGs. The dealer said he talked to the rep. But he is charging me $50 as he has to ship them back, which is fine with me. He also said I can take the CC3 home and try them in my room. I will try the CC3 and see how different they are. I bet they sound as good and of course the highs wont disappear if I am sitting to one side.

I did post a sale of a single MMG at Audiogon but there was no response. if someone had bought the single MMG, I would have kept the other one as center speaker.

Anyway....$50 is certainly a price well paid for all the experiments I could do and all that I learned. So I dont have any regrets.

My MG12s just ariived at the dealer. I am picking them up today. I hope they will sound just as good as the MMGs or even better when I raise them and make them vertical.

If the MMGs sound better when raised and made vertical, I see no reason why the MG12s should not.
post #494 of 3542
Can someone suggest a light weight shelf for the CC3 to rest upon?

I, as of now, and with great trepidation, plan on wall-hanging the shelf to extend 2 feet out from the wall to the top front edge of the tv. The shelf needs to be light enough to not put too much stress on the wall and brackets (the trepidation also being that I would have to attach the brackets to the wall studs) but strong enough to hold the 15-or-so pound CC3 which needs to be placed at the front of the 2 foot shelf (sorry if this all sounds too convoluted!). (And, the front of the shelf cannot rest on the top of the tv because the IKEA cabinet on which the tv sits can only take a max. of 150lbs pressure which, I am sure, I've already reached.)
post #495 of 3542
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Weinman View Post

Can someone suggest a light weight shelf for the CC3 to rest upon?

I, as of now, and with great trepidation, plan on wall-hanging the shelf to extend 2 feet out from the wall to the top front edge of the tv. The shelf needs to be light enough to not put too much stress on the wall and brackets (the trepidation also being that I would have to attach the brackets to the wall studs) but strong enough to hold the 15-or-so pound CC3 which needs to be placed at the front of the 2 foot shelf (sorry if this all sounds too convoluted!). (And, the front of the shelf cannot rest on the top of the tv because the IKEA cabinet on which the tv sits can only take a max. of 150lbs pressure which, I am sure, I've already reached.)

http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalo...hp?p_ref=37470
post #496 of 3542
or you could buy these brackets and get a 24'' wide panel from
homedepot and simply screw them. Dont get MDF they are heavy.
get poplar wood. You dont have to get full 24''. You can always offset
a 12'' or 18'' panel i.e leave some gap near the wall.
Just throwing some ideas.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=126
post #497 of 3542
post #498 of 3542
Mupi,

Thanks for the suggestions...it helps.
post #499 of 3542
Just wanted to chime in again and say that I'm REALLY loving Maggies with DTS-MA audio tracks. Just finished watching Quantum of Solace and was blown away by the audio! Maggies were made for this application!

I don't know which audio format Slumdog Millionaire was in, but when I saw that the other day it sounded amazing, too!

Lovin' Maggies for HT
post #500 of 3542
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

well the dealer agreed to take the MMGs back. I called Magnepan and told them about the MMGs. The dealer said he talked to the rep. But he is charging me $50 as he has to ship them back, which is fine with me. He also said I can take the CC3 home and try them in my room. I will try the CC3 and see how different they are. I bet they sound as good and of course the highs wont disappear if I am sitting to one side.

I did post a sale of a single MMG at Audiogon but there was no response. if someone had bought the single MMG, I would have kept the other one as center speaker.

Anyway....$50 is certainly a price well paid for all the experiments I could do and all that I learned. So I dont have any regrets.

My MG12s just ariived at the dealer. I am picking them up today. I hope they will sound just as good as the MMGs or even better when I raise them and make them vertical.

If the MMGs sound better when raised and made vertical, I see no reason why the MG12s should not.

I'm glad Magnepan took care of you. Though I've not had to speak with them much, I've always them to be friendly and responsive. It's also nice to know that you'll often get Wendell on the other end of the line for technical support.

I expect that you'll reap sonic benefits from elevating your MG12s. Indeed, I've elevated my 1.6s to good effect (albeit slightly- ~ 10 inches).

Eric
post #501 of 3542
Hi Guys,

I have started the quest for more power for the Maggie's. I have had them for about a month and the Yamaha amps were struggling to just keep up!

I had one Carver TFM 25 I was using on the back surrounds in the HT and got a good deal on another one. So they have moved to the Maggie's and the Yamaha's are now on the rear surrounds. I went from 220 watts to 350 watts per channel.

It's like the Maggie's have woken up. The improvement has been very noticable. These things just love more power. Looking forward to the week end and some quality listening time.

Last week end I was at the races at Texas Motor Speedway and when I got home I also noticed that the bass has gotten better. I left them running while I was gone and they sure sound sweet. I will never go back to a box speaker again!
post #502 of 3542
I found 10''x10'' L-Brackets at Lowes that have holes matching exactly that on the MG12 bracket. I will have to use a washer. These brackets are much longer so I have to find a way to cut them. Even without cutting they are fine as they rest on the frame a bit.

I am hesitant to use them as I dont want to put all the weight on those flimsy screws. Also I am not sure how strong the threads on the MG12 are.
I presume there is some metal insert on the MG12 frame that has the threads instead of having threads on the MDF/wood frame.

I will have to build a simple stand to support the MG12s instead of relying on the brackets/screws to take all the load when the MG12s are vertical. I have some idea. Hopefully I will be able to build the support.
post #503 of 3542
I'm new to the avs forums but have been an audiophile since the 70's. My first real high end system consisted of a pair of magnepan tympani 1d's with a GAS ampzilla amp and a GAS thaedra IIa preamp. The sound was amazing and made me a maggie fan for life.

Since then I have owned MGIIIa's, Ic's, and my current pair of 1.6qr's. I have a full home theater setup with thiel speakers in my family room, while my maggies are in my living room and used 90% for music, although with a full 5.1 surround setup.

The magnepans are driven with a Threshold S500e which puts out plenty of high current watts, and they are augmented by an infinity ssw210 powered sub. I recently upgraded my preamp processor to an Outlaw 990 and think that it may be beneficial to also upgrade the center channel speaker to a magnepan. I currently use an Infinity IL36c which is not bad in this setup. I think a magepan center speaker would be far better though with the 1.6's.

The mmg-c seems to be quite a bargain but I've never listened to one. Or even seen one for that matter. My preamp bass management will allow me to set the center channel to roll off at the 100 hz point that the mmg-c's have, so that would be no problem.

Has anyone used the mmg-c with a pair of 1.6's? How do they sound together? I will be driving the center channel with 200 watts from an adcom 2135 which is in three channel mode and also driving the rear surrounds.

I have a good spot to place the center channel on the top of my equipment cabinet angled down toward the listening area.

post #504 of 3542
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

or you could buy these brackets and get a 24'' wide panel from
homedepot and simply screw them. Dont get MDF they are heavy.
get poplar wood. You dont have to get full 24''. You can always offset
a 12'' or 18'' panel i.e leave some gap near the wall.
Just throwing some ideas.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=126

Those will work just fine. Just make sure you hit the studs. I've got a 26" TV (I'm talking about an "old school" set) in my bedroom mounted on a wall stand that's supported with only 3 screws properly mounted into the stud. It's been there 8 years now, the set must weigh at least 100 lbs.
post #505 of 3542
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

I found 10''x10'' L-Brackets at Lowes that have holes matching exactly that on the MG12 bracket. I will have to use a washer. These brackets are much longer so I have to find a way to cut them. Even without cutting they are fine as they rest on the frame a bit.

I am hesitant to use them as I dont want to put all the weight on those flimsy screws. Also I am not sure how strong the threads on the MG12 are.
I presume there is some metal insert on the MG12 frame that has the threads instead of having threads on the MDF/wood frame.

I will have to build a simple stand to support the MG12s instead of relying on the brackets/screws to take all the load when the MG12s are vertical. I have some idea. Hopefully I will be able to build the support.

well the Lowes brackets seem to work just fine. The brackets are not flush with the bottom edge of the MG12s just like the original brackets. So there is always some small angle which prevents the MG12s from tipping. This is good design because the weight of the speaker is not supported entirely by the 2screws. Instead the bottom edge takes most of the weight and the legs add more stability than bearing weight.

But I will not reply on that small angle. I will evetually build a support like one of the DIY stangs at the Magnepan user Group using the 2" hole strap from HomeDepot. For now I am just using a shim to keep the MG12 from tipping.

The leg that attaches to the MG12 is much longer as frame of MG12 only extends for about 6" from the bottom edge. As it is, it does not poke into the cloth (grille) but my coworker has offered to cut the brackets. I will try to cut them myself but if I cant I guess I will have to take his offer.

Fortunately I dont have kids or pets nor will there be any visitors with unruly kids :-) Looks like with the MG12s almost vertical, I may not have to elevate them. Will do some experiments before I build the stand (with support and elevation added)
post #506 of 3542
well I could cut it using my old blunt hand saw.
post #507 of 3542
Quote:
Originally Posted by strindl View Post

I'm new to the avs forums but have been an audiophile since the 70's. My first real high end system consisted of a pair of magnepan tympani 1d's with a GAS ampzilla amp and a GAS thaedra IIa preamp. The sound was amazing and made me a maggie fan for life.

Since then I have owned MGIIIa's, Ic's, and my current pair of 1.6qr's. I have a full home theater setup with thiel speakers in my family room, while my maggies are in my living room and used 90% for music, although with a full 5.1 surround setup.

The magnepans are driven with a Threshold S500e which puts out plenty of high current watts, and they are augmented by an infinity ssw210 powered sub. I recently upgraded my preamp processor to an Outlaw 990 and think that it may be beneficial to also upgrade the center channel speaker to a magnepan. I currently use an Infinity IL36c which is not bad in this setup. I think a magepan center speaker would be far better though with the 1.6's.

The mmg-c seems to be quite a bargain but I've never listened to one. Or even seen one for that matter. My preamp bass management will allow me to set the center channel to roll off at the 100 hz point that the mmg-c's have, so that would be no problem.

Has anyone used the mmg-c with a pair of 1.6's? How do they sound together? I will be driving the center channel with 200 watts from an adcom 2135 which is in three channel mode and also driving the rear surrounds.

I have a good spot to place the center channel on the top of my equipment cabinet angled down toward the listening area.


I recently paired my MMGs with an MMG-C center. I know your fronts are not MMGs, but here is my evaluation:

The MMG-C is a decent center speaker, but I don't think it is worth the $$ I paid for it. I will keep it because it looks good in my setup, and the sound is OK. I would not recommend it with your higher end Maggies. The subwoofer setup has been very challenging since I got the MMG-C as the crossover is very high (200). The sound is not much different from my cheaper center. Of course, you could try it and return if not satisfied. I don't return stuff.
http://picasaweb.google.com/imuesmai...at=directlink# for what it looks like---the first pic shows it. Nice looking---average center sound for me.

Imu
post #508 of 3542
Strindl: I would go with the CC3 if I were you. I have 3.6s and love the way the CC3 sounds with them. The CC3 is probably even a better match for the 1.6s, so I'd avoid the MMG-C.
post #509 of 3542
Strindle, pm sent regarding CC-1

I also still have an almost new condition Ampzilla,
post #510 of 3542
Hi there summa, my man :d
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