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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

But anyway im just wondering how this XBR7 compares to the XBR6 or what other TV's you ave comared this to. But if you dont mind answering some questions because this was the original TV i had in mind.
-What other brands/models did you compare this PQ to?
-DO you find teh 40 inch to be small?
-IS there any smearing, motion blur??(like with fast action scenes etc.) Yah know the usual sony issue!
-Are night scenes blurry, have mura, or fuzzy in anyway? or are they just black
-I play alot of video games, so im wondering how it is with that?
-This set looks great i wish the XBR8 would come down in price but even the 46 incher would still be outta my price range. ANd for a 40 inch TV this is a little expensive so i wanna make sure my money is being well spent.
All in all i would just like a more detailed review of WHAT YOU THINK about the TV!!
StylesP

I really like this set. The first one we got had the clouding which I mentioned earlier in this thread. The second one does not have that nearly as much. Only when the set is on for several hours can you notice it, and then only when there is nothing on the screen (like when a BD is loading or something). When the image is black, there are no clouding issues at all.

I thought the 40 was just fine for our room, but then I spent Thanksgiving with my in-laws. He just got a Vizio 50" set. The screen was crap, and the text and graphics had lots of pixeling and artifacts. But the screen size made me think that maybe I should have gone bigger.

I am probably a weird case. I was able to purchase the set from the Sony Family Store. They had a crazy employee sale a few weeks ago and a friend of mine got me in with him. I could afford either the xbr6 or the xbr7 at that the sale prices. I liked both sets, but I liked the design of the xbr7 better. Plus we got a tall credenza to use as an entertainment unit and I had already installed Polk in-wall speakers when we did an addition several years ago. The xbr 6 is a few inches taller and it would have blocked part of the center channel speaker. So that was another factor. I am also probably unique because we decided to not spend anything on a TV until I had the money in hand. So initially I wanted a 40" xbr2 but couldn't afford it. Then the xbr4... I was thinking of getting a XBR4 right before they stopped selling them, but with the sale price, I went with the xbr7.

To answer some of your questions:
- I didn't look at any Plasmas because we had a glare problem in the room during the daytime with the dining room windows behind the viewing area. I've looked at the Samsungs, but didn't really compare other different makes. I'd pretty much decided that I wanted an XBR series since they came out.

- 40". My wife thinks it is just fine. I probably would have liked a 46" but design considerations made us stay with 40."

- I have never seen any motion blur. The first BD we watched was Die Hard4. We have watched many upscaled DVDs and BD on it since we got it as well as a lot of football and basketball games. The motion looks sharp throughout. I do notice more stuff in the broadcast like spots on the camera lenses and lens flare from lighting, but that is probably just indicative of the HD. I'm convinced the NFL network does a poor job compared to Fox and NBC and CBS. That has nothing to do with the TV, though.

- Night scenes and blacks in general seem very deep. We watch CSI and that show has gotten darker and darker every episode (really, who could work in a lab that is so dark? And why do they never turn the lights on at the places they investigate? They could probably find more clues with more light than those tiny flashlights.) I also have used it as a computer monitor a few times and I have a black desktop color on the laptop. It looks awesome on the TV. I have never seen anything fuzzy or anything that would concern me in night scenes or dark scenes.

- I've actually never hooked up any video games to the TV, so others could probably comment better on that.

- In the end, you need to get what is best for you. The 46" XBR6 is quite a bit cheaper than the 40" xbr7. Not everyone can get access to the twice a year friends and family sales at the Sony stores.
post #62 of 384
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Originally Posted by jazzbass View Post

The cnet review for the 240hz 52" XBR7 is up. Sounds like just an OK set for the price. Not really worth it.

the cnet review was disappointing to me -- not for his conclusions (they are what they are), but because while he says or implies that the set is essentially the xbr6 with 240Hz, his experience with the set and the geek box test figures don't jive with that.

i'm also disappointed that he only ran the normal tests and viewing material. while tests show that 240Hz has some positive affect, he says it's only marginally different in viewing material and hardly descernable and probably not descernable at all by the 'normal' consumer.

i want to know the real world differences, for sports especially. is the 240 Hz with or without motion enhancer processing, is it going to provide a better experience with football, basketball and the espn and foxsports telecasts of european soccer. perhaps the increase is not a factor of 2, but that is not necessary in order to decide that an incremental difference is worth the price difference.

given that sony has announced a major world wide advertising/marketing campaign for 240Hz featuring the brazilian/european soccer star kaka, one would think that the 240Hz concept has some real meaningful benefit.

if not, that's good to know; if so, also. but the cnet review as i read it doesn't provide the answer yet.

on the other hand, despite all the review's 'average' assertions, there are also many very positive conclusions. perhaps if he hadn't been so keen on recycling the xbr6 review and started fresh, the review would be more coherent.

TVbc
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Originally Posted by TVbc View Post

the cnet review was disappointing to me -- not for his conclusions (they are what they are), but because while he says or implies that the set is essentially the xbr6 with 240Hz, his experience with the set and the geek box test figures don't jive with that.

I think the geek box results were close enough to the XBR6 to support that conclusion.

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Originally Posted by TVbc View Post

on the other hand, despite all the review's 'average' assertions, there are also many very positive conclusions. perhaps if he hadn't been so keen on recycling the xbr6 review and started fresh, the review would be more coherent.

The only other positive conclusion I saw was the fact that it doesn't have the flickering backlight of all other Sonys (which I'm hoping they'll offer a fix for). The blacks seemed similar to the W series, according to the reviewer.

However, I will admit that they recycled pictures. The XBR7, in all official pictures I have seen, has the "obsidian" cover for the speaker bar. Not the silver.
post #64 of 384
joepenner,

i heard teh backlight doesnt fluctuate like it does on other XBR models like teh XBR6
post #65 of 384
XBR7 or Pioneer 5020?
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Originally Posted by stilesp113 View Post

xbr7 or pioneer 5020?

xbr6, way cheaper!
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Originally Posted by stilesp113 View Post

xbr7 or pioneer 5020?

for 52 inch, if u want to pay 2x
post #68 of 384
Holy crap! The 52" XBR7 doesn't have the DRC settings which means that it's just like the crappy XBR6 BE2. No Pro features. Sony is going down the toilet this season.
post #69 of 384
^^^^And quick
post #70 of 384
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

joepenner,

i heard teh backlight doesnt fluctuate like it does on other XBR models like teh XBR6

There is a setting that you can use to have the backlight adjust for different lighting conditions throughout the day. I have that turned off.

I've never noticed any inconsistencies with backlighting.
post #71 of 384
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Originally Posted by jazzbass View Post

The cnet review for the 240hz 52" XBR7 is up. Sounds like just an OK set for the price. Not really worth it.

I looked in CNET and don't see it. Whats the link?
post #72 of 384
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Originally Posted by rjrogalla View Post

I looked in CNET and don't see it. Whats the link?

yeah i ended up entering in their search:
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t....html?tag=rnav
post #73 of 384
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Originally Posted by jonpenner View Post

There is a setting that you can use to have the backlight adjust for different lighting conditions throughout the day. I have that turned off.

I've never noticed any inconsistencies with backlighting.

Where is that setting in menu?
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Holy crap! The 52" XBR7 doesn't have the DRC settings which means that it's just like the crappy XBR6 BE2. No Pro features. Sony is going down the toilet this season.

I would have expected nothing less. Build cheaper, save money was the motto for 2008. Sell expensive, increase margin, fool buyers...ops fire sale or be left with huge inventory's. Its all playing out like was hypothisized 6 months ago. Someone at Sony needs a tune up.

cnet gives the xbr7 an 8 out of 10 , making it the same rating as the sammy A650, and the XBR6.....but at 4199 retail the xbr7 is three times the price as the sammy....the 950 is direct competition with 3" more scren , a higher rating from cnet, and better picture.....never learn Sony.
post #75 of 384
^^^Pioneer sounds better n better each day i read this stuff
post #76 of 384
ANyone seen this TV in person an compared it to the pioneer 5020?
post #77 of 384
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

ANyone seen this TV in person an compared it to the pioneer 5020?

if you are talking about the 52xbr7, it is not released yet, not available, no sets to compare . www.sonystyle.com says release is 10january2009; cnet in its review says 15dec2008 for release.
post #78 of 384
I did take a look at the 70" XBR7 yesterday at Sony Style on Madison Ave. They had the new Batman BR playing. I have to say that screen looks fantastic. I thought that the viewing angle was quite good also.
post #79 of 384
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Originally Posted by jcc View Post

Holy crap! The 52" XBR7 doesn't have the DRC settings which means that it's just like the crappy XBR6 BE2. No Pro features....

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I would have expected nothing less. .....

why all the sudden explanations about the specs on the 52xbr7. it's been known for some time that this set would have the BE2 engine, not PRO, hence no DRC.

when you read the cnet review, this set has definite positive differences especially involving motion handling...which he says is the only benefit of the 240Hz --- duh, that's what it's for!

he says the tests show some marginal positive differences, and that content viewing shows differences that the normal viewer won't even see.

the fact that he doesn't then test the set in real world to see what that will do for us couch potato's when watching football, basketball and european soccer means that the review is not helpful. this particular set is meant to address that particular marketing segment this year (next year there will be more 240 Hz models).

i'm still holding out that for sports content, the 240 Hz will have a real world benefit, and am looking forward to a review that addresses this, as well as hopefully a retail outlet that has the set demonstrating that 240Hz is in fact a real benefit....or not.



TVbc
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why all the sudden explanations about the specs on the 52xbr7. it's been known for some time that this set would have the BE2 engine, not PRO, hence no DRC.
TVbc

It was thought that it would have the BE2 EX which should have DRC settings, but no. It looks like the ONLY thing this thing has over the XBR6 is the 240HZ. For that, they want an extra $800.

I don't know what they're smoking at Sony but I sure wish they would cut it out.
post #81 of 384
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I did take a look at the 70" XBR7 yesterday at Sony Style on Madison Ave. They had the new Batman BR playing. I have to say that screen looks fantastic. I thought that the viewing angle was quite good also.

I would hope so for 20G's...have you seen the 40 inch, dont they have the same specs?
post #82 of 384
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It was thought that it would have the BE2 EX which should have DRC settings, but no. It looks like the ONLY thing this thing has over the XBR6 is the 240HZ. For that, they want an extra $800.

I don't know what they're smoking at Sony but I sure wish they would cut it out.

...or share.

BUT the EX of the 40xbr7 DOES NOT HAVE DRC. and those specifications have been out even longer
http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KDL40XBR7.pdf user manual
http://www.docs.sony.com/release/spe...0XBR7_mksp.pdf marketing specifications sheet

and reading the cnet review of the 52xbr7, i think it's clearly possible it has more than the addition of 240Hz. even while he seems to assert the 52xbr7 is the xbr6 with 240Hz, he cites several instances where the 52xbr7 is superior to the xbr6. i think it is going to take another review or two to tell for sure, and of course some firsthand viewing of side by side comparisons, especially i hope with some sports content. if the 240Hz actually makes a real world sports-viewing difference, that'd be great. if not, the xbr8.....

and right now it's *only* ~650 difference (prior to any price reductions of the 52xbr7)

TVbc
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Where is that setting in menu?

It's under the General Setup. The option is Light Sensor
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Originally Posted by jonpenner View Post

It's under the General Setup. The option is Light Sensor

Thanks!

and do u turn it OFF?
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Originally Posted by jcc View Post

I did take a look at the 70" XBR7 yesterday at Sony Style on Madison Ave. They had the new Batman BR playing. I have to say that screen looks fantastic. I thought that the viewing angle was quite good also.

You said you saw the 70 inch set playing The Dark Knight and it looked great. But you said teh screen looked great, were you talking about the movie itself or how good it looked on the 70 inch??Was is calibrated or was it in torch mode?

Im really close to purchasing this LCD, i was going to go with a PLasma (5020 pioneer) but i dont have time to spend on break in and i worry alot about burn in and IR though it is a long shot its still existent. I just would like some more feedback bout this set becaseu i have not seen it and would appreciate somefeedback. The nearest store to me that has them is like 45 mins North of me and i dont really have time to get there.

The only thing that really worries me about this set is Mura and Clouding. Other than that i think everyting will be great. The reason i mention this is becasue the XBR6 looks good at times and looks bad at times and it has problems with fast scenes and dark scenes.!!!

ANy feedback about this set will be appreciated

Thanks
post #86 of 384
STILESP113, sorry, I didn't spend enough time playing around with it to know whether or not there would be mura or clouding. It was not on tourch mode when I saw it. The picture looked calibrated.

The picture looked really good without the poor viewing angle of the XBR6.
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

You said you saw the 70 inch set playing The Dark Knight and it looked great. But you said teh screen looked great, were you talking about the movie itself or how good it looked on the 70 inch??Was is calibrated or was it in torch mode?

Im really close to purchasing this LCD, i was going to go with a PLasma (5020 pioneer) but i dont have time to spend on break in and i worry alot about burn in and IR though it is a long shot its still existent. I just would like some more feedback bout this set becaseu i have not seen it and would appreciate somefeedback. The nearest store to me that has them is like 45 mins North of me and i dont really have time to get there.

The only thing that really worries me about this set is Mura and Clouding. Other than that i think everyting will be great. The reason i mention this is becasue the XBR6 looks good at times and looks bad at times and it has problems with fast scenes and dark scenes.!!!

ANy feedback about this set will be appreciated

Thanks

at a price-protected $20,000 for the 70" 70xbr7, i think you better make some time to check it out yourself...

remember that each of the 3 xbr7 models are different from each other, even the 40" and 70" which have the same external design
www.sonystyle.com

TVbc
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at a price-protected $20,000 for the 70" 70xbr7, i think you better make some time to check it out yourself...

remember that each of the 3 xbr7 models are different from each other, even the 40" and 70" which have the same external design
www.sonystyle.com

TVbc

Have you seen the 40 inch? if so is it worth a purchase? Im debating between plasma (pioneer 5020) or to stick with LCD and this is the onyl LCD that catches my eye. But the plasma is alot of work with break in, preventing burn in/IR, etc. Im so stuck need suggestions
post #89 of 384
is the 40XBR7 10bit panel/10bit processing? I looked on Sony Style site but did not see it stated under the specs., its stated for the XBR6 the the 40xbr7 shoudl have it...right? Just really curious about that....
post #90 of 384
I just finished installing my 40" XBR7 on Friday (replaced a 40" V2500 1080p unit). The picture quality between the two are night and day. The V series is about 2 years old, but is really showing its age against the XBR7.

For animation, torch mode looks great (very vibrant), but it should be turned off when viewing movies... I was watching The Dark Knight and joker's "whiter than white" face was disgusting in 'torch mode'. Once I turned off all the "enhancers", it looked great. The detail in the dark scenes are actually quite nice.

The "Motion Smoother" is a hit and miss... It gives the "I"m standing in the room" look, but sort of makes everything look like it's going in 1.2x normal speed. It's hard to explain until you see it in person. It has a "popping off the screen" feel.

Advanecd CE (Color Enhancer)... again, great for animation, but not the best choice for cinema or any live action shows. It takes realistic color and throws it out the door for a super vibrant look. Basically, it's the steroid TV torch mode look found in most stores. My friend thinks that looks much better since it's more vibrant... so this is apparently what sells TVs to the less informed.

Gaming... I actually didn't notice much of a difference compared to my previous V-series. Colors are just as vibrant and detail is proper. I've only had a chance to play GT5P though.

Overall, I'm quite satisfied with this purchase. I was going to get the XBR6, but found the XBR7 for about $100 less. That completely confused me, but hey, who's to question a good deal.

Definitely worth the money. As for those asking "Why the 40XBR7 and not the 46XBR6?" - The TV is in my bedroom at a ~8 foot viewing distance. The 40 is enough for my personal taste. The 46 would be nice, but is overkill for my use.
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