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post #61 of 1074
I saw this in the theater but not in IMAX and there was ringing present in high contrast scenes. So... I don't know if there was any actual edge enhancement added to this release.
post #62 of 1074
Thread Starter 
Can anyone confirm no audio at the beginning from the DC comic logo through the explosion scene. As soon as the pan on the roof top comes in the audio starts. Im using the digital coax output on my Sony S300. My receiver reads 5.1 during the silent beginning.
Thx.

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Originally Posted by clear31 View Post

alan I got a copy of the Dark Knight as well and am wondering if its just me, but did you feel the bank robbery scene on the batman begins disc popped more than the scene in this release?

I went back and watched the movie again and yes it seams the contrast was a little flater during the 235:1 scenes.

Not to turn this into a movie critic thread but I have to say I really enjoyed this movie. Heath Ledger did a great job as the joker.
post #63 of 1074
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

I just found out " Wanted" was shot in 4k with the new "Red" camera. Man it looks good.

From what I know, the final movie has no Red footage.

Thanks for the PM!
post #64 of 1074
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Lee K View Post

From what I know, the final movie has no Red footage.

Thats disappointing. I ck on IMDB and they had it listed as film based but I found this article. It is a shame we did not get to sample some 4k footage even though it would have been down converted. Great PQ regardless. Anything out there originating from the Red?
post #65 of 1074
Yeah, HD Moods.
post #66 of 1074
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Originally Posted by Lee K View Post

From what I know, the final movie has no Red footage.

Thanks for the PM!

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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

Thats disappointing. I ck on IMDB and they had it listed as film based but I found this article. It is a shame we did not get to sample some 4k footage even though it would have been down converted. Great PQ regardless. Anything out there originating from the Red?

Only the visual effects shots were shot on the Red One (i.e. most of the train scenes in the training sequence).
post #67 of 1074
wow it looks good 53min into and its good+sounds good gotta finish now
post #68 of 1074
Quote:


Can anyone confirm no audio at the beginning from the DC comic logo through the explosion scene. As soon as the pan on the roof top comes in the audio starts.

On mine, there's background music being played through the WB, Legendary Pictures, DC Comics logos, it changes as the movie starts and the first "actual" sound is at the explosion etc. Hope this helps.
post #69 of 1074
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Originally Posted by greyrocket View Post

wow it looks good 53min into and its good+sounds good gotta finish now

Can't wait to get this.
post #70 of 1074
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by toytown View Post

On mine, there's background music being played through the WB, Legendary Pictures, DC Comics logos, it changes as the movie starts and the first "actual" sound is at the explosion etc. Hope this helps.

I have no sound through the explosion until the rooftop pan, strange.

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Originally Posted by greyrocket View Post

wow it looks good 53min into and its good+sounds good gotta finish now

Grey please list your display, thx. Sounds like you enjoyed the movie, I liked it as well, Ill be watching it again
post #71 of 1074
I think maybe this should instead be called the "Dark Knight PQ issues" thread. I understand there may be some issues that have some people annoyed, but given several people here have the disc I'm still left wondering "How does it look?" overall? After 3 pages I don't have any sense of the over all PQ!

Can we get some more details, please, rather than just concentrating on EE or whatever?

Much obliged.

EDIT: I must noticed Mel2 posted a sort of "nutshell" overall impression. I hope others will follow with some detail on how the film looks overall (sharpness/contrast/black levels/color/dimensionality/refrence or no? etc...)
post #72 of 1074
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Originally Posted by r harkness View Post

i think maybe this should instead be called the "dark knight pq issues" thread. I understand there may be some issues that have some people annoyed, but given several people here have the disc i'm still left wondering "how does it look?" overall? After 3 pages i don't have any sense of the over all pq!

+1 :d
post #73 of 1074
Got my copy yesterday, also. I skimmed through the disc.

I believe Dolby True is 16Bit according to the PS3 (runs around 1.6 to 2 MB/s from the little I watched). The soundtrack rocks, especially during the armored car chase sequene.

The encode is VC-1 running all over the place from 18 to 30 (from the scenes I watched). The IMAX scenes look great on my 100 inch screen. Besides the variable AR, you can tell the IMAX scenes instantly by the better PQ over the regular 35mm. Pretty much the same quality as on the preview on the BB disc. I saw the movie in IMAX so I was use to the variable AR but I think it is going to annoy a lot of people. Didn't notice any EE on the IMAX scenes or the 35mm but I wasn't looking for it. As othes have said the movie is only viewable on a 16:9 screen. It switched too often for a 2.35.

The digital copy (Itunes) is also variable AR so I don't know what the holds for the DVD.
post #74 of 1074
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Originally Posted by toytown View Post

On mine, there's background music being played through the WB, Legendary Pictures, DC Comics logos, it changes as the movie starts and the first "actual" sound is at the explosion etc. Hope this helps.

That how I remember it being in the theater as well... a kind of low background, then the explosion - BOOM!
post #75 of 1074
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Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes

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And for giggles, the IMAX file that was on the Batman Begins BD and the final DK disc;

BB;

DK;


BB;

DK;


BB;

DK;
post #76 of 1074
Did anyone here order their copy from WHV and get it early or are these 'review' copies.

thx
post #77 of 1074
Looks like the IMAX footage is framed slightly different and the color has been adjusted a bit. Not surprised considering the opening sequence was released with I Am Legend months before the actual film. They probably hadn't finished all the coloring in post production yet.

Alan,

I saw this film twice in theaters (35mm/IMAX) and there was no sound during the WB opening or the symbol. The first sound came when the buildings appeared. I remember thinking that was a bit strange, but it works.
post #78 of 1074
Colour me surprised, the DK images look better than the BB images to my eye. Look at the bag in the bottom right corner of the second comparatives, big difference there in my opinion.

Can't wait to get this even more now!
post #79 of 1074
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Originally Posted by House View Post

BB;

DK;


BB;

DK;


BB;

DK;

These are pretty telling as to the difference.
I am saddened to know that WB can't get their act together.
post #80 of 1074
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Originally Posted by SC0TLANDF0REVER View Post

These are pretty telling as to the difference.
I am saddened to know that WB can't get their act together.

What is it that you don't like?
post #81 of 1074
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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

What is it that you don't like?

I'm interested to know as well. I think it looks pretty damn great, though I'm no expert.
post #82 of 1074
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

How was this projected in the theaters? I wonder if many cut corners and masked to one ratio or if some went through the trouble to automate the ratio change.
For those who had the opportunity how did you see the theatrical screening?

I saw this movie in two IMAX - one at the Irvine Spectrum and another nearby Disney. The one at the Spectrum was spectacular and used the AR shift as the director intended. The other IMAX nearby Disney looked crap and used a zoom method trick to fill up the entire screen; there was no black bar nor AR shift present during the entire movie. I was really disappointed and immersion was lost, especially during the aerial shots of the city as the camera panned closer. Anyway, it didn't seem fair to viewers who might have thought that the IMAX footage didn't make any difference b/c it was never shown in the very first place inside that theater.
post #83 of 1074
House,

Thanks for posting the info and pics.

I think they look fantastic, although I'm no expert either.
post #84 of 1074
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Originally Posted by SC0TLANDF0REVER View Post

These are pretty telling as to the difference.
I am saddened to know that WB can't get their act together.

What is the dif? I can see they look slightly dif, but if anything the DK version looks better to my eyes. What exactly is wrong?
post #85 of 1074
I currently on a pretty crappy PC, but I don't see any grain?
post #86 of 1074
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Originally Posted by Blacklac View Post

I currently on a pretty crappy PC, but I don't see any grain?

I see grain on the non-IMAX shots.
post #87 of 1074
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Originally Posted by SC0TLANDF0REVER View Post

These are pretty telling as to the difference.
I am saddened to know that WB can't get their act together.

Dude, Warner didnĀ“t screw anything up.
Those shots from the BB disc was BEFORE they finished adjusting the color timing for the final release.

The DK shots look sooo much better with more natural colors.
post #88 of 1074
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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

I see grain on the non-IMAX shots.

Good.
post #89 of 1074
Looks amazing from the screen shots!
post #90 of 1074
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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

What is it that you don't like?

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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

I see grain on the non-IMAX shots.

See I think the grain is part of what makes it look so good, I mean look at the comparison I mentioned in my post above, the DK shot looks much better.
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