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post #1 of 14
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So I am in the market for my first ever set up, and I want to make it good. And since you guys seem to be very knowledgeable I would like some input--
I need a receiver that won't be outdated overnight.
Dolby True HD /DTS HD Master Audio are important.
Ease of use (set up I don't mind, but good interface and easy to use remote are important)
Good HDMI upconversion
S video
component inputs (can't forget my Wii

I will use it to connect tv, xbox, wii, DVD player, VCR (yes, still need that one too), and soon PS3.
Also shopping for speakers and most likely will get Aperion Intimus 4T Hybrid SD set up, even though maybe not all at once, as budget is important. So I was looking at the following:
Marantz SR 5003
Denon AVR 2309ci
Pioneer Elite VSX 1018 AHK
Onkyo of some kind?!

I'd like to spend as close to $500 as possible (hoping Xmas sales will be good this year)... so probably 500-800 msrp is where I need to be

What do y'all think?
post #2 of 14
I'm in the same boat and don't follow this stuff much so I'm completely lost with all the new tech.

Right now I have an HDMI DVR, HDMI Xbox 360, Component Wii, Component DVD player. I really want a receiver that will handle all the inputs and have a single cable to the TV.

I have a simple 5.1 setup now and I doubt I'll add any more speakers (7.1). I just need to know which receiver would work best in my situation in the same price range that you mentioned.
post #3 of 14
The Marantz will run you more than $500. The current $500 receivers to look at are Yamaha 663, Onkyo 606, Pioneer 1018, HK 254, and Denon 1909/789. I think the Denon is a great AVR as Denon usually meets their rated power specs and are typically bug free. Power is important as the new Aperion speakers are quite hungry. Plus, you get Audyssey with the Denon which is a nice bonus.
post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 
I know this is not the question about a receiver, but are there speakers better than Aperion in the same price range that you would recommend instead?
post #5 of 14
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Another question-- probably a stupid one--- why would I want a pre-out. What is it for?
post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by LexaNF View Post

Another question-- probably a stupid one--- why would I want a pre-out. What is it for?

External amp.
post #7 of 14
if you really want all that stuff you may need to spend a bit more--the onkyo 876 would definitely fit the bill and is going for about 1k at jr.com (which is pretty good for a 1600 msrp avr). it uses reon for video which is probably the best you will find in an avr in that price range. hk and marants would be best choices for sound imho and teh denon is a goo dall around choice but forget about getting a good deal from a non grey market dealer. to me you get the best bang/buck ratio with onkyo in that price range esp for vidoe processing.
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by rnatalli View Post

The Marantz will run you more than $500. The current $500 receivers to look at are Yamaha 663, Onkyo 606, Pioneer 1018, HK 254, and Denon 1909/789. I think the Denon is a great AVR as Denon usually meets their rated power specs and are typically bug free. Power is important as the new Aperion speakers are quite hungry. Plus, you get Audyssey with the Denon which is a nice bonus.

What do you guys think of the Pioneer. I've had pioneer AVRs in the past and liked them but I'm not an AV expert. It only has 3 HDMI, but I don't think I would need more than that since it has component too.
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
Zelet-- why do you need more than 3 hdmi's?
As for me I am starting to this that thats enough.
Another thing-- looked at Denon 1909 and liked it a lot. So I think now its down to it and the Pioneer. Any thoughts on the pio?

On another note this is quoted from the official thread for the Denon. Can someone please explain to me a few things:
"This is a list of features you gain stepping up from 1909/789 to 2309/889:

1. 2 lbs heavier, and slightly more power (100Wx7 instead of 90Wx7)
2. A fourth rear HDMI input
3. A fourth rear S-video input
4. S-video and optical audio inputs on front auxilliary input
5. Dedicated phono input with pre-amp stage
6. Component video bandwidth is rated at 100MHz (up from 60MHz on 1909/789)
7. Slightly better DAC
8. Detachable power cord
9. RS232 and 12V Trigger ports (2309ci only)"

What are the trigger ports for?
What does a higher component video bandwith give me?
why would I want S video and Optical audio inputs on the front panel?
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 
Also, can you rename inputs on the Denon?
post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 
Anybody still there? The question stands!
post #12 of 14
I believe the Denon does allow you to rename inputs. Not sure about the Pioneer. You can download the manuals and check.

Either receiver would be fine. The Denon will cost more, but offers Audyssey Dynamic and Denons usually hit their advertised power specs. Pioneer costs less, but won't have Audyssey Dynamic and it's likely Pioneer won't hit its advertised specs, but I'm sure it has more than enough to drive most speakers.
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by LexaNF View Post

Zelet-- why do you need more than 3 hdmi's?
As for me I am starting to this that thats enough.
Another thing-- looked at Denon 1909 and liked it a lot. So I think now its down to it and the Pioneer. Any thoughts on the pio?

On another note this is quoted from the official thread for the Denon. Can someone please explain to me a few things:
"This is a list of features you gain stepping up from 1909/789 to 2309/889:

1. 2 lbs heavier, and slightly more power (100Wx7 instead of 90Wx7)
2. A fourth rear HDMI input
3. A fourth rear S-video input
4. S-video and optical audio inputs on front auxilliary input
5. Dedicated phono input with pre-amp stage
6. Component video bandwidth is rated at 100MHz (up from 60MHz on 1909/789)
7. Slightly better DAC
8. Detachable power cord
9. RS232 and 12V Trigger ports (2309ci only)"

What are the trigger ports for?
What does a higher component video bandwith give me?
why would I want S video and Optical audio inputs on the front panel?

Let me take a stab at this. More questions than answers, though as that's the only way we can help. First, what types of sources are you planning to hook up? Just as importantly, what type of connections will those sources have?

one by one.....

1) that weight difference probably means very little
2) What are you going to connect? For example, if you're connection a BD player, that's one HDMI. Let's say you've got a recent DVD player, that's HDMI 2, Game system? Maybe HDMI 3.
3) Do you have any "S-video" components?
4) Do you have any sources with optical only outputs?
5) Phono....do you have a turntable?
6) Video bandwidth....what type of TV will you be hooking up?
7) Better DAC, affects CD playback
8) Really not that big of a deal with a detachable power cord, unless you're planning on buying one of those "high end" power cords to replace the one that came with the AVR
9) Triggers allow you to plug another piece of gear into the AVR. That, in turn, allows you to turn them on, or off at the same time.
post #14 of 14
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Thanks. That helps. I talked to some folks over at the stores, and to some people on the speaker boards. I need to make the call this week and get it over with...
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