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post #871 of 2834
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Originally Posted by TimA View Post

Does anyone have the issue of swapped rear and back surround speakers in a 7.1 setup? When I play test tones/files, the rear sound comes out the side speakers and the side sounds come out the rear speakers. It seems to be a Vista issue from what I've read in various threads, but I haven't seen a solution other than setting Vista to 5.1 and letting your AVR do the 7.1 work.

Does a workaround exist for this problem? I haven't found one yet.

Tim

Has this been fixed? It also happens with Windows 7 by the way. It's really my only big problem with the Nvidia HDMI solutions (I got the Asus 9300 mGPU board and a 9200m GS laptop with the same issue). Using 1.0.0.37 here. I'm surprised there isn't a lot of noise about this, aren't people using 7.1 setups? What kind of self-respecting geeks are you?

There are a couple of workarounds, so for now it's not a huge deal. With PowerDVD Ultra, when choosing HDMI/PCM output it apparently bypasses the channel assignment of the driver/Vista, so the sides/rears are OK. But when choosing 8-speaker output they do get mixed up. With Arcsoft TMT, it didn't happen, but since I've read some comments on how Arcsoft also mixed the sides/rear, I am suspecting (haven't tested thoroughly) that there's a double-mixing going on there, thus actually ouputting the rear/sides correctly with Nvidia HDMI solutions.



By the way, Tim, I've read a few of your other posts, since we seem to have similar setups and the same troubles (I got an Onkyo 606). Don't know if this got resolved, but you can switch on/off Vista Media Center from bitstreaming DD and DTS (thus be able to enable VMC sound effects), by going into the Vista playback devices menu, and either disabling Dolby Digital and DTS Audio under the "Supported Formats" tab, or (less desirably) unchecking "Allow applications to take exclusive control of this device" under the Advanced tab.

Oh, and if you want DD or DTS bitstream through the HDMI for Media Player Classic, (or anything that can use AC3 Filter), just enable AC3Filter and output to S/PDIF, and make sure you have the options above checked (same as for Media Center).

bingobill, (sorry if this is dated), Dolby Digital EX is not undesirable (and in some instances, DPLIIx movie), because DD EX content would have been encoded specifically for EX (similarly with some DPLII content), and with EX, it actually has a flag that tells the decoder to enable EX if it's available.
post #872 of 2834
Guys, it is mine first post while I've been watching the thread since October (when it was 'I've decided to wait for 9300/9400...').

I've ordered this mobo and ready to start playing with it next week or so. But I'm seriously confused would it be possible to send 5.1/7.1 LPCM over HDMI? I love to play FLAC encoded multichannel tracks at MKV/M2TS remuxes, etc.

After all, as TrueHD decoder almost (?) ready in MPC-HC it would be a must to hear that as 7.1 not as 2.1 as HDMI will be the only one connector to my Yamaha 3800 receiver.

I also curious about color profile I need to choose considering that Yamaha cut 0-255 to 16-236 (due the bug in their 2007 models... 3900 addressed this I guess).

Thank you!
post #873 of 2834
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Originally Posted by RamanRB View Post

Guys, it is mine first post while I've been watching the thread since October (when it was 'I've decided to wait for 9300/9400...').

I've ordered this mobo and ready to start playing with it next week or so. But I'm seriously confused would it be possible to send 5.1/7.1 LPCM over HDMI? I love to play FLAC encoded multichannel tracks at MKV/M2TS remuxes, etc.

After all, as TrueHD decoder almost (?) ready in MPC-HC it would be a must to hear that as 7.1 not as 2.1 as HDMI will be the only one connector to my Yamaha 3800 receiver.

I also curious about color profile I need to choose considering that Yamaha cut 0-255 to 16-236 (due the bug in their 2007 models... 3900 addressed this I guess).

Thank you!

7.1 works for the most part (I'm assuming the 9400 works the same as my 9300 Asus board), besides the surround rear/side issue that is mentioned right above. This would not be a problem in MPC-HC, because that great little program has an audio switcher option that lets you map the correct channels, though you'll have to do it manually, but only once.

5.1 works just fine. 0-255 and 16-236 is selectable in the Nvidia properties. I haven't had issues with it. If your receiver is cutting the signal to 16-236 though, you might get everything that's not video (photos and websites, for example) cut at 16 and 236 too.
post #874 of 2834
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Originally Posted by LBDiver View Post

Does anybody know if the issue regarding elevated black levels when switching between SD and HD DVD playback has been fixed with the latest drivers?

If not does the DVI to HDMI cable fix this or is there still a EDID conflict causing it to change?

Third, if neither of the above fixes it, and I ran DVI direct to my plasma, since my Pioneer has a DVI input, that should stop the EDID sendback correct? Then would it be possible with the panel connected via DVI, to send the audio via HDMI to my receiver without it re-triggering the same issue?


The video levels were switching from limited to full with me between HD & SD,even though I had limited selected. Then in the control panel I changed to use the video player settings instead of with Nvidia. I think that's how its worded, but it now stays the same between SD & HD.
post #875 of 2834
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

7.1 works for the most part (I'm assuming the 9400 works the same as my 9300 Asus board), besides the surround rear/side issue that is mentioned right above. This would not be a problem in MPC-HC, because that great little program has an audio switcher option that lets you map the correct channels, though you'll have to do it manually, but only once.

5.1 works just fine. 0-255 and 16-236 is selectable in the Nvidia properties. I haven't had issues with it. If your receiver is cutting the signal to 16-236 though, you might get everything that's not video (photos and websites, for example) cut at 16 and 236 too.

Andy, are you sure you pass real 5.1/7.1 LPCM to receiver and not "upscaled" stereo? I mean if according to manual LPCM over HDMI is 2.0 only there is possibility for MB to downmix original 5.1/7.1 stream to 2.0 and then upconvert it to 5.1/7.1 according to settings chosen... Call me crazy, but I'm really confused (and no, I'm not noob, I'm fine with *nix, have rich Windows experience, do manage web-, db- Linux/BSD servers, etc.)
post #876 of 2834
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Originally Posted by haste View Post

gtx 260 install shots.

those right to left angle sata cables did the trick...no modification to the heatsink shroud required...


Amazing! Where did you get those right angle connectors? The ones I keep finding still stick out too much.
post #877 of 2834
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Originally Posted by SPtheALIEN View Post

Amazing! Where did you get those right angle connectors? The ones I keep finding still stick out too much.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=22715
post #878 of 2834
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Originally Posted by RamanRB View Post

Andy, are you sure you pass real 5.1/7.1 LPCM to receiver and not "upscaled" stereo? I mean if according to manual LPCM over HDMI is 2.0 only there is possibility for MB to downmix original 5.1/7.1 stream to 2.0 and then upconvert it to 5.1/7.1 according to settings chosen... Call me crazy, but I'm really confused (and no, I'm not noob, I'm fine with *nix, have rich Windows experience, do manage web-, db- Linux/BSD servers, etc.)

Yes, I am sure, but bear in mind that I have both an Asus P5N7A-VM with the 9300 mGPU and a laptop with the 9200m GS video card. The 9300 mGPU is fundamentally the same as the 9400 on the board of this thread, so I'm assuming they work pretty much the same (from reading the posts here as well as other info). But also, the main reason many people are buying these (9300 and 9400 mGPU) is just because of their 7.1 LPCM capability. So you don't have to worry about it. These boards do pass multichannel LPCM.

One thing, though. The Nvidia desktop dedicated cards, like a 9400 GT, 9500 GT, or 9600, etc., do not do it. Blame it on Nvidia, who name their cards very confusingly. The laptop 9200, 9300, 9400, 9600 cards do do multichannel LPCM!
post #879 of 2834
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Yes, I am sure, but bear in mind that I have both an Asus P5N7A-VM with the 9300 mGPU and a laptop with the 9200m GS video card. The 9300 mGPU is fundamentally the same as the 9400 on the board of this thread, so I'm assuming they work pretty much the same (from reading the posts here as well as other info). But also, the main reason many people are buying these (9300 and 9400 mGPU) is just because of their 7.1 LPCM capability. So you don't have to worry about it. These boards do pass multichannel LPCM.

One thing, though. The Nvidia desktop dedicated cards, like a 9400 GT, 9500 GT, or 9600, etc., do not do it. Blame it on Nvidia, who name their cards very confusingly. The laptop 9200, 9300, 9400, 9600 cards do do multichannel LPCM!

From what I understood GA-E7AUM-DS2H it is the one which having issues with 5.1/7.1 LPCM! That's why I've asked you about that...
post #880 of 2834
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Originally Posted by farbox View Post

Hi all!
Longtime lurker, just registered to see if i can contribute something back for a change!

Got this board, took me two bloody weeks to be able to get AHCI working!

Here are the issues:
1 BIOS is very very strange; even when u set it to boot from CD (i think it tries to boot from IDE CD-see below), it tries to detect harddisks and fails and stops, if it doesnt find an OS, or a properly formatted disk. This drove me nuts!
SO the way to do it is to F12 at startup and select cd as the immediate boot up device! NOTE NOTE: do not select the first CDROM option, if u have a SATA CD. After many tries, i realised theat the first option (CD ROM) is for IDE CD. in my case my SATA CD drive was the last option, and labelled as TSSCORP (drive is a Samsung ) or somehting. Not very descriptive! SO if u cant boot from your sata cd, check this method! See if there is an unfamiliar option somewhere near the bottom of the list.

2- Re SATA drivers. this was my first sata board, and boy did i need to learn things! On IDE emulation in BIOS all is well, BUT some sata ports wont work, so you NEED AHCI in bios to enable all ports. After tons of blue screen crashes (007 error, which means XP cant find the sata drivers) here is how i did it. (sorry about the bad formatting of the info below: basically use a working pc to download the driver file from GB website, copy files as mentioned below onto floppy disk, then attach a floppy drive to the GB board, and use the above disc during F6)

1- set bios to ahci
2- boot from cd as explained above
3- use F6 on xp install
4- get your floppy drive out (yeah tell me about it, i had to find one, and a floppy disk from god knows where!) and get the SATA driver from the GB drivers WEB page for this board. I couldnt use or understand the ones that came in the MB disk.
5- Extract the downloaded file, and copy all the extracted files to the floppy. If u move the file on to the floppy, then extract it as suggested, the disc becomes full and some files wont get copied! Mine was missing the OEM.TXT file first time!
6- carry on the install as normal.

And all should be ok! hopefully! One more note, I tried a slipstreamed XP install, with SP3 and other sata drivers, but that didnt work either. it seems if you have other slipstreamed sata drivers, F6 doesnt work (somewhere in the install txt file, it only refers to the slipstreamed drviers, and wont recognise the F6 drivers!!!!)! So either slipstream the nvidia drivers, or use a virgin xp install disk and do the F6 business!
This whole thing drove me nuts, but im glad ive done it now! I had loads of problems, with the install wrecking the boot sector of the hardisks, and getting ntldr missing etc errors. But if you do the f12 at boot, you should be able to get past most of the issues.
Hope this helps someone out there!

I just got this mobo and it took me two days trying to install XP on AHCI mode. Thanks to this post and a little bit of searching here, I finally got XP to install on AHCI!!! So Farbox, my hats off to you for sharing your install experience! I would like to tweak some more but it's almost 3 in the morning! Gotta get some sleep.
post #881 of 2834
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Originally Posted by RamanRB View Post

From what I understood GA-E7AUM-DS2H it is the one which having issues with 5.1/7.1 LPCM! That's why I've asked you about that...

Yeah, but the 9400 is basically the same as the 9300 mGPU. Also, take a look at the title of this thread. If multichannel LPCM were not working in any way, I would expect it to be a huge deal, and people talking about it. Plus, other people have said that it works too. Can you direct me to other posts in this thread of users that are having issues with multichannel LPCM? I haven't read any, but I don't have time to read them all either. Maybe there's something else going on there. Could be the EDID of the other equipment.
post #882 of 2834
I've tried searching and reading through this thread, but its becoming very large; so, I'll ask my question and keep reading.

Everytime I switch my input on my TV to the HDMI of my HTPC the computer gives me a blue screen of death and reboots. (HDMI Handshake issue?) If I leave the TV on this input everything boots up fine and I have full audio/video. (video => hdmi to tv, audio currently optical till I get a new receiver with HDMI)

Everything is brand new. I installed Windows 7 and it seems really stable other than the HDMI handshake when I change inputs.

The current video driver is: NVIDIA 7.15.11.7923

My TV is a Sony Bravia KDL-40V2500.
post #883 of 2834
I too have the side/rears reversed issue (Windows 7), hope this gets fixed. The other somewhat annoying HDMI audio issue is that silence = no audio to my receiver (Onkyo 876) causing a short delay each time a sound is played (typically "miss" short sounds, for example)
post #884 of 2834
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Originally Posted by grittree View Post

They aren't supposed to line up with the openings. All plug in cards have an offset bracket.

Can you elaborate? Google gives me nothing. Do matx boards not line up with the slots?
post #885 of 2834
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Originally Posted by skomes View Post

Can you elaborate? Google gives me nothing. Do matx boards not line up with the slots?

can u take a picture for us?
post #886 of 2834
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Originally Posted by jamesmil View Post

I too have the side/rears reversed issue (Windows 7), hope this gets fixed. The other somewhat annoying HDMI audio issue is that silence = no audio to my receiver (Onkyo 876) causing a short delay each time a sound is played (typically "miss" short sounds, for example)

Yeah, this happens to me too with the Asus board (9300), and with my laptop (9200m GS). It also happened with the G35 last time I checked. I don't know if it happens with the ATI solutions, but I suspect it does, which would point to a Windows bug. On the other hand, I can't see them not testing this before putting out the HDMI audio solutions, so who knows, maybe it has to be that way somehow.
post #887 of 2834
haste please could you take some pictures with heatsink and GPU (from top) thanks in advance
post #888 of 2834
System
  • Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz @3.0GHz, 1.20V, with C1E and EIST disabled.
  • DDR2-800 2 x 2GB
  • GA-E7AUM-DS2H
  • GeForce 9400 iGPU (default clock)
  • GeForce 9500 GT dGPU (just to block the case airflow; not used unless otherwise stated)
  • 1 x HDD
  • Antec NSK2480 with 2 x 120mm 800 rpm fan
I chose a 65nm overclocked quad-core processor here because Pentium Dual-Core/Core 2 Duo 45nm runs too cool to get meaningful results in comparing the performance of various cooling solutions.

The room temperature is around 20°C (chilly!).

CPU/GPU Coolers

I tested three CPU coolers:
  • Intel stock cooler (1600 rpm fixed)
  • Scythe Ninja Mini (80mm fan, 1600 rpm fixed; blowing toward the case fans [the most effective direction for iGPU cooling])
  • Cooler Master Geminii S (120mm fan, 1200 rpm fixed; heat-pipes toward the rear panel [the most effective direction for iGPU cooling])
Also I attached
  • Scythe mini-Kaze 40mm fan (10mm thickness)
to the chipset in one of the test.


CPU and iGPU Temperatures at Idle and Video Playback

First I measured the CPU and iGPU temperatures at idle and 1080p mkv (created from Spider-Man 3 BD) playback using MPC-HC only with the Intel stock CPU cooler.


  System CPU iGPU
idle 35°C 25°C 49°C
MKV Playback with MPC-HC (HA on) 36°C 28°C 54°C
MKV Playback with ffdshow (HA off) 37°C 32°C 57°C


Both CPU and iGPU temperatures are pretty normal and no special cooling device for iGPU is necessary.

CPU and iGPU Temperatures at Load

I ran the following stress tests simultaneously for half an hour and measured the temperatures:

- Prime95 (CPU stress test)
- FurMark (GPU stress test)

They load CPU and GPU heavily.

  System CPU iGPU
Stock cooler 43°C 63°C 75°C
Stock cooler+40mm fan 42°C 61°C 61°C
Ninja Mini 40°C 58°C 63°C
Geminii S 41°C 54°C 73°C


Clearly attaching a chipset fan is the most well-balanced cooling solution (it's cheap and quiet too). The side-flow cooler (Ninja Mini) is more effective in cooling iGPU than the top-flow cooler (Geminii S). It looks like the 80mm fan in Ninja Mini accelerates the case airflow which cools down the iGPU quite effectively, while the vertical airflow by Geminii S is not so effective in cooling iGPU; maybe it interferes with the horizontal case airflow negatively? Nevertheless I used Geminii S in my recommendations because the dGPU is used in these systems. See below.

CPU, iGPU and dGPU Temperatures when dGPU is Used

I turned on both iGPU (GeForce 9400) and dGPU (GeForce 9500 GT), with dGPU for video and iGPU for audio and I used only the Intel stock CPU cooler.

  System CPU iGPU dGPU
MKV Playback with ffdshow 39°C 33°C 53°C 44°C
CPU+dGPU stress tests 43°C 60°C 61°C 55°C


Note that the iGPU (used only for audio) temperature is much lower than when iGPU is used for video/audio so that no special cooling device for iGPU is necessary.


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The following are screenshots of SpeedFan and CPU-Z at CPU+iGPU stress tests.

The stock CPU cooler (1600 rpm) only


The stock CPU cooler (1600 rpm)+ a 40mm Scythe fan


Scythe Ninja Mini with a 80mm fan (1600 rpm)


Cooler Master Geminii S with a 120mm fan (1200 rpm)

post #889 of 2834
^^ very nice! thanks for the work
post #890 of 2834
I have a 15 inch touch screen connected using the VGA out and my receiver/plasma is connected to the HDMI out. This worked fine with the XP installation, but Vista has not been able to get it right. I turned the computer on without the receiver powered on and Vista now refuses to acknowledge HDMI is plugged in after I turn the receiver on. I left the receiver on and restarted the computer...still nothing. I can see my receiver in the Nvidia control panel and choose it as the 2nd display, but it will not stick. The screen hiccups a bit like it does when you try a new resolution, but ultimately unchecks the receiver. I have tried disabling and enabling NVIDIA HDMI in the audio connections area, but that does not work. Any suggestions?
post #891 of 2834
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Originally Posted by skomes View Post

Can you elaborate? Google gives me nothing. Do matx boards not line up with the slots?

Easiest thing to do is just look at any PCI or PCIe card. You will see the bracket is not in line with the card. ATX or uATX doesn't matter, since any card works in either.
post #892 of 2834
Can someone with one of these setups (and w/o a separate dedicated graphics card) run this compatibility test to see if they list the 9300/9400 integrated graphics as being compatible with GeForce 3D Vision?

Thanks!
post #893 of 2834
Just catching up on this thread - this mATX board DOES have firewire on the rear? Any issues or just works like any firewire I/O?

Thanks ... sorry for the dumb Q but I am ready to pull the trigger on this board, I tried searching and it appears the answer is YES.

Thanks,

Scott
post #894 of 2834
Hi all,

first post, i also have this mobo and getting the same problem as below, does anyone have any suggestions or fixes.

no matter what i do, upon first startup, my plasma will not be recognised,

thanks for any info.

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Originally Posted by Reku View Post

I have a 15 inch touch screen connected using the VGA out and my receiver/plasma is connected to the HDMI out. This worked fine with the XP installation, but Vista has not been able to get it right. I turned the computer on without the receiver powered on and Vista now refuses to acknowledge HDMI is plugged in after I turn the receiver on. I left the receiver on and restarted the computer...still nothing. I can see my receiver in the Nvidia control panel and choose it as the 2nd display, but it will not stick. The screen hiccups a bit like it does when you try a new resolution, but ultimately unchecks the receiver. I have tried disabling and enabling NVIDIA HDMI in the audio connections area, but that does not work. Any suggestions?
post #895 of 2834
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Originally Posted by Darin View Post

Can someone with one of these setups (and w/o a separate dedicated graphics card) run this compatibility test to see if they list the 9300/9400 integrated graphics as being compatible with GeForce 3D Vision?

Thanks!

I ran the compatibility test and the integrated 9400 GPU failed.
post #896 of 2834
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Originally Posted by anywhereanytime View Post

Just catching up on this thread - this mATX board DOES have firewire on the rear? Any issues or just works like any firewire I/O?

Thanks ... sorry for the dumb Q but I am ready to pull the trigger on this board, I tried searching and it appears the answer is YES.

Thanks,

Scott

yes it does. it also has a port to connect to on the motherboard itself for a rear bracket.
post #897 of 2834
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Originally Posted by Ermot View Post

I ran the compatibility test and the integrated 9400 GPU failed.

Well that's disappointing. Thanks for checking though!
post #898 of 2834
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Originally Posted by grittree View Post

Easiest thing to do is just look at any PCI or PCIe card. You will see the bracket is not in line with the card. ATX or uATX doesn't matter, since any card works in either.

Its been a while since I built a PC, several years, but when I look at my old PC the PCI slots and the rear expansion slots on the case do line up decently, not so for the new motherboard.

My big headache has been researching how to transfer my windows XP from an AMD 2700+/nforce2 system to the new E5200/geforce 9400 system, but I'm going to do that this week and I'll report back if I just overreacted about the slots.

Other than that, system posted fine, I ran linux, tried overclocking, the CPU just a tad, temp never hit above 40 C, and the case temp was stable at about 30 C, maybe just winter temperatures, but also due to an ATX case.
post #899 of 2834
So I finally got my HTPC fully setup and I'm not getting the greatest PQ in VMC. I have my antenna hooked up to a HDHomeRun, which is fully dectected & setup in VMC. Shows I've recorded in Vista Media Center (from CBS HD, Fox HD, etc.) kind of have a washed out look. Same problem for SD DVD's using VMC. But if I playback Blu-Ray content (using PowerDVD 7), the PQ is excellent. I thought the problem was my TV (Samsung LN46A630), but if I hook up the antenna directly to the TV (using identical settings), it looks much, much better.

I took a quick look in the Nvidia Control Panel but I thought I'd check this thread before I started to monkey around under the hood.

Anyone experience this problem or have any suggestions on where to start?

Thanks
post #900 of 2834
Has Gigabyte released any new revision of this board?
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