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post #391 of 1454
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Originally Posted by jdailey23 View Post

Thats not what he is saying...its called studying, reading, come with a plan that could actually stop them. I DTV dish and a 3 inch thick rope wont stop a HUGE BOAT!!!! Neither will driving in circles....get a clue...

Sorry, but the get a clue line needs to be addressed to yourself and some others here. You are taking this way out of reality!

1. When the Japanese are on the defensive or the offensive, they are not whaling. That could be considered a form of success.

2. The whole point of this show is to bring publicity and attention to their cause. This may or may not be succeeding but who knows. There does seem to be an awful lot of interest in this thread though.

3. I'm sure they are trying to accomplish the above without getting anyone killed or seriously hurt. To think otherwise as some here have suggested only makes themselves look foolish and are putting way more into this show than what is there.

4. Yes the word WAR is in the title and thats what you and some others seem to really expect, my suggestion would be to have a reality check and soon.

5. Animal Planet, not the Military channel, not the History channel. Get the point yet?
post #392 of 1454
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky View Post

I just wanna know one thing...why do the Jpn find whale meat so damn tasty and delicious?! It's gotta be, if it's worth this much trouble to acquire it.

Oh, I think you need to understand JP view of the SSers. This isn't 'trouble' to this point. Evidence JP has harvested whales in their presence. This will move things along, one way or another. JP will not go thru this next year. Then it will be the 'rubber meet's the road' or something like that. Do something or go home.
post #393 of 1454
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Originally Posted by Lodef View Post

Sorry, but the get a clue line needs to be addressed to yourself and some others here. You are taking this way out of reality!

1. When the Japanese are on the defensive or the offensive, they are not whaling. That could be considered a form of success.

2. The whole point of this show is to bring publicity and attention to their cause. This may or may not be succeeding but who knows. There does seem to be an awful lot of interest in this thread though.

3. I'm sure they are trying to accomplish the above without getting anyone killed or seriously hurt. To think otherwise as some here have suggested only makes themselves look foolish and are putting way more into this show than what is there.

4. Yes the word WAR is in the title and thats what you and some others seem to really expect, my suggestion would be to have a reality check and soon.

5. Animal Planet, not the Military channel, not the History channel. Get the point yet?

Are you serious?
1. I've never seen the JP on the 'offensive' anytime any how any where. Show me.
2.The interest in this thread hasn't varied much since I've followed it. I think most here think the SSers are losing the PR battle.
3. I firmly believe they don't know what a true sacrifice looks like.
4. They are self professed 'warriors' ...more like paper tigers.
5.What?
post #394 of 1454
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Well Rotohead, all I can say is that the Sea Shepherds are lucky that you're not their captain. Because it sounds like you really would get some of them killed.

Look, the whole 'dying to save whales' banter is nothing but hyperbole. On-camera exageration. You do get that, right?

BTW, if you read in the earlier parts of this thread, you will see that last season, I was all over Captain Watson for being wreckless with the lives of his crew. This season, I actually think he is showing a little more constraint. At least as far as their overall safety. Although, he still does some pretty stupid stuff.
post #395 of 1454
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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

Well Rotohead, all I can say is that the Sea Shepherds are lucky that you're not their captain. Because it sounds like you really would get some of them killed.

Look, the whole 'dying to save whales' banter is nothing buy hyperbole. On-camera exageration. You do get that, right?

BTW, if you read in the earlier parts of this thread, you will see that last season, I was all over Captain Watson for being wreckless with the lives of his crew. This season, I actually think he is showing a little more constraint. At least as far as their overall safety. Although, he still does some pretty stupid stuff.

Rutgar, it seems they really don't get it as you can see from their continued responses. Some of these people need to stop watching this show because I really think they are getting this confused with a video game. Unfortunately reality seems to have gone way over their heads in this one as proven by some of their statements here!
post #396 of 1454
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Originally Posted by Lodef View Post

Sorry, but the get a clue line needs to be addressed to yourself and some others here. You are taking this way out of reality!

1. When the Japanese are on the defensive or the offensive, they are not whaling. That could be considered a form of success.

Umm, the Japanese are going to prove you wrong this week.

While opinions are great and all, unfortunately, you're in the minority regarding your views. Most of us think Paul is an idiot that puts his crew at risk.

Oh yeah, I can't be behind someone with these beliefs:

"Watson feels that "no human community should be larger than 20,000 people," human populations need to be reduced radically to "fewer than one billion," and only those who are "completely dedicated to the responsibility" of caring for the biosphere should have children, which is a "very small percentage of humans." He likens humankind to a virus, the biosphere needs to get cured from with a "radical and invasive approach," as from cancer."
post #397 of 1454
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Originally Posted by Lodef View Post

Rutgar, it seems they really don't get it as you can see from their continued responses. Some of these people need to stop watching this show because I really think they are getting this confused with a video game. Unfortunately reality seems to have gone way over their heads in this one as proven by some of their statements here!

You're the one's that don't get it. Reality is what you do, not what you say it is.
post #398 of 1454
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Originally Posted by taz291819 View Post

Umm, the Japanese are going to prove you wrong this week.

While opinions are great and all, unfortunately, you're in the minority regarding your views. Most of us think Paul is an idiot that puts his crew at risk.

Oh yeah, I can't be behind someone with these beliefs:

"Watson feels that "no human community should be larger than 20,000 people," human populations need to be reduced radically to "fewer than one billion," and only those who are "completely dedicated to the responsibility" of caring for the biosphere should have children, which is a "very small percentage of humans." He likens humankind to a virus, the biosphere needs to get cured from with a "radical and invasive approach," as from cancer."

I never said they would stop whaling so it has nothing to do with me being wrong. If you noticed I said a form of success as if I was looking at it from the Sea sheperds point of view.

I have also said nothing positive of Captain Watson, again your reading more into it than what is there!

My view has nothing to do about being in the minority but rather more to do with basing opinions on reality and what this show is all about instead of some of the outrageous statements that have been made thus far.
post #399 of 1454
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Originally Posted by rotohead View Post

You're the one's that don't get it. Reality is what you do, not what you say it is.

What their doing is trying to draw attention to their cause, nothing more. period. I think if you ask anyone of the crew members if they think what they are doing will stop the Japanese from ever whaling again, I'm sure they would say no. Again this is being made for TV on a channel that has a audience that is sympathetic towards animals and their hope was to garner more support so if there is enough of a outcry, governments will be forced to put more pressure on the JP to at least cut down. The perception from most here is being completely blown out of proportion and I'm trying to bring a sense of reality into the conversation but it does not seem to be sinking in!
post #400 of 1454
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Originally Posted by Lodef View Post

What their doing is trying to draw attention to their cause, nothing more. period. I think if you ask anyone of the crew members if they think what they are doing will stop the Japanese from ever whaling again, I'm sure they would say no. Again this is being made for TV on a channel that has a audience that is sympathetic towards animals and their hope was to garner more support so if there is enough of a outcry, governments will be forced to put more pressure on the JP to at least cut down. The perception from most here is being completely blown out of proportion and I'm trying to bring a sense of reality into the conversation but it does not seem to be sinking in!

The problem is that you're so keyed into the cause that you're ignoring the reality of how dangerous their actions are. There are plenty of people that are against whaling - that are even more opposed to piracy and endangering human lives. Hopefully, the vast majority of them.

The lives being put at risk are not only the innocent Japanese whalers, but the inexperienced Sea Shepherds who foolishly believe that their leader knows what he's doing.
post #401 of 1454
I just can't tolerate people who sight violence directed at them but are really the one's initiating and fostering the violence in this situation. That's part of what makes them a joke. There is no 'cause'...it's just a bunch of individuals each with their own 'reality' and are unwilling to do the necessary things to be effective. They show it every week in their complete lack of understanding and by their actions. Don't tell me I'm over reacting or taking it to seriously, or telling me I can't come to my own conclusion.
The Sea Shepard's are no better than lawless gang members who think they're impowered to do what they feel is right. That's not how you go about a 'cause' and not take the heat for such actions. Either do something effective as a group, take the suffering that comes with it, stop whinning OR go home.
post #402 of 1454
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

The problem is that you're so keyed into the cause that you're ignoring the reality of how dangerous their actions are. There are plenty of people that are against whaling - that are even more opposed to piracy and endangering human lives. Hopefully, the vast majority of them.

The lives being put at risk are not only the innocent Japanese whalers, but the inexperienced Sea Shepherds who foolishly believe that their leader knows what he's doing.

Your talking to the wrong person, I'm the one who said it is dangerous. But people here think they must be willing to die to prove their point. I don't!
post #403 of 1454
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Originally Posted by rotohead View Post

I just can't tolerate people who sight violence directed at them but are really the one's initiating and fostering the violence in this situation. That's part of what makes them a joke. There is no 'cause'...it's just a bunch of individuals each with their own 'reality' and are unwilling to do the necessary things to be effective. They show it every week in their complete lack of understanding and by their actions. Don't tell me I'm over reacting or taking it to seriously, or telling me I can't come to my own conclusion.
The Sea Shepard's are no better than lawless gang members who think they're impowered to do what they feel is right. That's not how you go about a 'cause' and not take the heat for such actions. Either do something effective as a group, take the suffering that comes with it, stop whinning OR go home.

Your Wrong! There wouldn't even be a show if they went the route you are advocating. Seriously.
post #404 of 1454
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Originally Posted by Lodef View Post

Your talking to the wrong person, I'm the one who said it is dangerous. But people here think they must be willing to die to prove their point. I don't!

I dont think they need to die...but they said they would, not me.
post #405 of 1454
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Originally Posted by Lodef View Post

Your Wrong! There wouldn't even be a show if they went the route you are advocating. Seriously.

I'm not advocating anything. I'm watching people come and go on the SI and they all say at some point roughly, "this is it', "willing to die/ultimate sacrifice","whaling end's today", etc, etc but they really have no true commitment to this because they show it every day by the disfunction crew wide. It's amazing to me they haven't sunk their boat on their own from total incompetence. I'm not advocating anybody make this cause legit by giving their life. That's what they're saying not me. I'm trying to understand what's taken so long for this to come to a head, if as you say their tactics are much more passive in nature but affective. It won't be the same if there is a next season. The JP/whaler's approach will be much different for sure. More boats, agressive response, I don't know but this will be interesting.
post #406 of 1454
No matter what happens on the rest of this show, the fact is the Sea Shepherd has brought huge Public Awareness to their cause and this alone will be considered a very successful campaign regardless of the events that unfold in the waters of the Antarctica.
How is this you ask? Well first off, the fact that it has become a weekly series on Animal Planet has brought exposure to many for the first time on the plight of the Whales. Mind you this is a channel that is sympathetic to animals so they are playing to their crowd so to speak. Contrary to the comments here, they must of gained a lot more support than they ever had before since this show started. ( Exp. My wife and kids would not shed a tear if one of the JP ships sank) and I'm sure their feelings are shared by many that are regular viewers of this channel. I know some here will be dismayed at that but there is no doubt it is having an effect on many who otherwise would have been clueless!

Second, for those that feel this is useless and why take so long? The truth of the matter is, some ( Capt Watson ) have been doing this for over 30 years, this did not just start when Whale Wars started as some here may believe. Here is a link to their website, I myself, am no way endorsing them but maybe others will get a better understanding of their history and why they do what they do when they are watching.

http://www.seashepherd.org/
post #407 of 1454
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Originally Posted by Lodef View Post

No matter what happens on the rest of this show, the fact is the Sea Shepherd has brought huge Public Awareness to their cause and this alone will be considered a very successful campaign regardless of the events that unfold in the waters of the Antarctica.
How is this you ask? Well first off, the fact that it has become a weekly series on Animal Planet has brought exposure to many for the first time on the plight of the Whales. Mind you this is a channel that is sympathetic to animals so they are playing to their crowd so to speak. Contrary to the comments here, they must of gained a lot more support than they ever had before since this show started. ( Exp. My wife and kids would not shed a tear if one of the JP ships sank) and I'm sure their feelings are shared by many that are regular viewers of this channel. I know some here will be dismayed at that but there is no doubt it is having an effect on many who otherwise would have been clueless!

Second, for those that feel this is useless and why take so long? The truth of the matter is, some ( Capt Watson ) have been doing this for over 30 years, this did not just start when Whale Wars started as some here may believe. Here is a link to their website, I myself, am no way endorsing them but maybe others will get a better understanding of their history and why they do what they do when they are watching.

http://www.seashepherd.org/


The fact that he has been doing something for 30 years and whales are still dying proves how great of a job he does.
post #408 of 1454
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Originally Posted by rotohead View Post

I just can't tolerate people who sight violence directed at them but are really the one's initiating and fostering the violence in this situation. That's part of what makes them a joke. There is no 'cause'...it's just a bunch of individuals each with their own 'reality' and are unwilling to do the necessary things to be effective. They show it every week in their complete lack of understanding and by their actions. Don't tell me I'm over reacting or taking it to seriously, or telling me I can't come to my own conclusion.
The Sea Shepard's are no better than lawless gang members who think they're impowered to do what they feel is right. That's not how you go about a 'cause' and not take the heat for such actions. Either do something effective as a group, take the suffering that comes with it, stop whinning OR go home.

Bingo.
post #409 of 1454
Go read the press releases on that website. Paul flat out lies in many of them, which I don't know why he would, since the evidence is on tape. Paul over and over again says that the SS'ers are defending themselves, that it's the Japanese that are being aggressive first.

Also, next season is going to be interesting. The Japanese had sent a coast guard attack boat to defend the fleet this season, but some crew members got hurt (nothing to do with the SS'ers), and the attack boat had to transport them to Fiji.

And, Paul has stated that they're going to have another ship, a faster ship at that, for next season.

Reading the press releases does contain spoilers though (things are about to get good!), so be forewarned.

And I didn't know Richard Dean Anderson is on the SS'ers Board. If MacGuyver were on the Steve Irwin, they would have had this wrapped up a long time ago!
post #410 of 1454
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Originally Posted by Lodef View Post

No matter what happens on the rest of this show, the fact is the Sea Shepherd has brought huge Public Awareness to their cause and this alone will be considered a very successful campaign regardless of the events that unfold in the waters of the Antarctica.

That's true, the exposure will certainly benefit Watson with increased donations from similar minded eco-terrorists who are made aware of his campaign.

As for the whales, it is an extremely unsuccessful venture because he has turned so much public opinion against the anti-whaling effort. Lose the PR battle, and there's absolutely no hope of forcing a change in the law. Watson doesn't care if 90% of Americans that are against whaling change their view because of his radical actions, as long as he can tap into the other 10% for a net increase in funding.

Of course, if whaling would stop, Watson would lose his livelihood - so in that sense it is a win-win for Watson.
post #411 of 1454
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Originally Posted by taz291819 View Post

And I didn't know Richard Dean Anderson is on the SS'ers Board. If MacGuyver were on the Steve Irwin, they would have had this wrapped up a long time ago!

Yeah, he would have invented a large sling shot out one of the female crew member's bra, to get the bottles of butyric acid over the nets on the Japanese ships!
post #412 of 1454
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

That's true, the exposure will certainly benefit Watson with increased donations from similar minded eco-terrorists who are made aware of his campaign.

As for the whales, it is an extremely unsuccessful venture because he has turned so much public opinion against the anti-whaling effort. Lose the PR battle, and there's absolutely no hope of forcing a change in the law. Watson doesn't care if 90% of Americans that are against whaling change their view because of his radical actions, as long as he can tap into the other 10% for a net increase in funding.

Of course, if whaling would stop, Watson would lose his livelihood - so in that sense it is a win-win for Watson.

Oh I am sure he would just turn his attention to another thing that's wrong according to him

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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

Yeah, he would have invented a large sling shot out one of the female crew member's bra, to get the bottles of butyric acid over the nets on the Japanese ships!


Good job, if Paul reads this you just showed him what to do.
post #413 of 1454
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Originally Posted by WaTaGuMp View Post

Good job, if Paul reads this you just showed him what to do.

I'm wondering how long until he suggests dropping acid bombs from the helicopter.
post #414 of 1454
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

I'm wondering how long until he suggests dropping acid bombs from the helicopter.

I thought of that a LONG time ago, which I am sure many here did. The pilot can do something like Apocalypse Now, " I love the smell of butyric acid in the morning"
post #415 of 1454
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Originally Posted by WaTaGuMp View Post

I thought of that a LONG time ago, which I am sure many here did. The pilot can do something like Apocalypse Now, " I love the smell of butyric acid in the morning"

That's funny, I read that Paul Watson blasts "Flight of the Valkyries" as he rams ships.
post #416 of 1454
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

I'm wondering how long until he suggests dropping acid bombs from the helicopter.

Yeah I saud the same thing a few pages ago. If that happens I think the Japanese should start shooting.
post #417 of 1454
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

I'm wondering how long until he suggests dropping acid bombs from the helicopter.

I would be absolutely shocked if that pilot agreed to anything remotely close to that. He seems to be on board with doing what he can to move things forward but this would not be one of them. Not even close. vurbano mentioned it earlier and I stated, from my experience flying helicopters for 27 years, that it would require a extended period of time postioning the heli directly above the whale ships and extremely exposed for a long time. For such little gain in hitting the whalers with a couple bottles of acid it seems to me only the supreme leader would think that is worth the risk. I guess you could attempt to successfully hit the whalers by taking a sharp angled approach to the ship at a moderate speed, say 40 mph but with no experience doing that sort of thing (timing required is critical) your going to have to rely on luck to hit the target. It would definitely limit the exposure time but w/o practicing that sort of manuver you have no chance of success. of course practice isn't in the Sea Shepard's list of things to do with their time. Too much hassle.
post #418 of 1454
It would be a piece of cake in a copter
post #419 of 1454
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Originally Posted by vurbano View Post

It would be a piece of cake in a copter

I don't know what 'piece' you're refering to but you don't have a clue what you're talking about. And it's 'chopper' in that vinacular...'copter' is something I use to do in high school, if you know what I mean.
post #420 of 1454
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Originally Posted by rotohead View Post

I don't know what 'piece' you're refering to but you don't have a clue what you're talking about. And it's 'chopper' in that vinacular...'copter' is something I use to do in high school, if you know what I mean.

flying over and dropping acid would be cake. Hell they could even spray it and I really do not care what you mean.
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