'Whale Wars' on Animal Planet HD - Page 14

Originally Posted by jdailey23

Thats not what he is saying...its called studying, reading, come with a plan that could actually stop them. I DTV dish and a 3 inch thick rope wont stop a HUGE BOAT!!!! Neither will driving in circles....get a clue...

Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky

I just wanna know one thing...why do the Jpn find whale meat so damn tasty and delicious?! It's gotta be, if it's worth this much trouble to acquire it.

Originally Posted by Lodef

Sorry, but the get a clue line needs to be addressed to yourself and some others here. You are taking this way out of reality!

1. When the Japanese are on the defensive or the offensive, they are not whaling. That could be considered a form of success.

2. The whole point of this show is to bring publicity and attention to their cause. This may or may not be succeeding but who knows. There does seem to be an awful lot of interest in this thread though.

3. I'm sure they are trying to accomplish the above without getting anyone killed or seriously hurt. To think otherwise as some here have suggested only makes themselves look foolish and are putting way more into this show than what is there.

4. Yes the word WAR is in the title and thats what you and some others seem to really expect, my suggestion would be to have a reality check and soon.

5. Animal Planet, not the Military channel, not the History channel. Get the point yet?

Originally Posted by Rutgar

Well Rotohead, all I can say is that the Sea Shepherds are lucky that you're not their captain. Because it sounds like you really would get some of them killed.

Look, the whole 'dying to save whales' banter is nothing buy hyperbole. On-camera exageration. You do get that, right?

BTW, if you read in the earlier parts of this thread, you will see that last season, I was all over Captain Watson for being wreckless with the lives of his crew. This season, I actually think he is showing a little more constraint. At least as far as their overall safety. Although, he still does some pretty stupid stuff.

Originally Posted by Lodef

Sorry, but the get a clue line needs to be addressed to yourself and some others here. You are taking this way out of reality!

1. When the Japanese are on the defensive or the offensive, they are not whaling. That could be considered a form of success.

Originally Posted by Lodef

Rutgar, it seems they really don't get it as you can see from their continued responses. Some of these people need to stop watching this show because I really think they are getting this confused with a video game. Unfortunately reality seems to have gone way over their heads in this one as proven by some of their statements here!

Originally Posted by taz291819

Umm, the Japanese are going to prove you wrong this week.

While opinions are great and all, unfortunately, you're in the minority regarding your views. Most of us think Paul is an idiot that puts his crew at risk.

Oh yeah, I can't be behind someone with these beliefs:

"Watson feels that "no human community should be larger than 20,000 people," human populations need to be reduced radically to "fewer than one billion," and only those who are "completely dedicated to the responsibility" of caring for the biosphere should have children, which is a "very small percentage of humans." He likens humankind to a virus, the biosphere needs to get cured from with a "radical and invasive approach," as from cancer."

Originally Posted by rotohead

You're the one's that don't get it. Reality is what you do, not what you say it is.

Originally Posted by Lodef

What their doing is trying to draw attention to their cause, nothing more. period. I think if you ask anyone of the crew members if they think what they are doing will stop the Japanese from ever whaling again, I'm sure they would say no. Again this is being made for TV on a channel that has a audience that is sympathetic towards animals and their hope was to garner more support so if there is enough of a outcry, governments will be forced to put more pressure on the JP to at least cut down. The perception from most here is being completely blown out of proportion and I'm trying to bring a sense of reality into the conversation but it does not seem to be sinking in!

Originally Posted by CPanther95

The problem is that you're so keyed into the cause that you're ignoring the reality of how dangerous their actions are. There are plenty of people that are against whaling - that are even more opposed to piracy and endangering human lives. Hopefully, the vast majority of them.

The lives being put at risk are not only the innocent Japanese whalers, but the inexperienced Sea Shepherds who foolishly believe that their leader knows what he's doing.

Originally Posted by rotohead

I just can't tolerate people who sight violence directed at them but are really the one's initiating and fostering the violence in this situation. That's part of what makes them a joke. There is no 'cause'...it's just a bunch of individuals each with their own 'reality' and are unwilling to do the necessary things to be effective. They show it every week in their complete lack of understanding and by their actions. Don't tell me I'm over reacting or taking it to seriously, or telling me I can't come to my own conclusion.
The Sea Shepard's are no better than lawless gang members who think they're impowered to do what they feel is right. That's not how you go about a 'cause' and not take the heat for such actions. Either do something effective as a group, take the suffering that comes with it, stop whinning OR go home.

Originally Posted by Lodef

Your talking to the wrong person, I'm the one who said it is dangerous. But people here think they must be willing to die to prove their point. I don't!

Originally Posted by Lodef

Your Wrong! There wouldn't even be a show if they went the route you are advocating. Seriously.

Originally Posted by Lodef

No matter what happens on the rest of this show, the fact is the Sea Shepherd has brought huge Public Awareness to their cause and this alone will be considered a very successful campaign regardless of the events that unfold in the waters of the Antarctica.
How is this you ask? Well first off, the fact that it has become a weekly series on Animal Planet has brought exposure to many for the first time on the plight of the Whales. Mind you this is a channel that is sympathetic to animals so they are playing to their crowd so to speak. Contrary to the comments here, they must of gained a lot more support than they ever had before since this show started. ( Exp. My wife and kids would not shed a tear if one of the JP ships sank) and I'm sure their feelings are shared by many that are regular viewers of this channel. I know some here will be dismayed at that but there is no doubt it is having an effect on many who otherwise would have been clueless!

Second, for those that feel this is useless and why take so long? The truth of the matter is, some ( Capt Watson ) have been doing this for over 30 years, this did not just start when Whale Wars started as some here may believe. Here is a link to their website, I myself, am no way endorsing them but maybe others will get a better understanding of their history and why they do what they do when they are watching.

http://www.seashepherd.org/

Originally Posted by rotohead

I just can't tolerate people who sight violence directed at them but are really the one's initiating and fostering the violence in this situation. That's part of what makes them a joke. There is no 'cause'...it's just a bunch of individuals each with their own 'reality' and are unwilling to do the necessary things to be effective. They show it every week in their complete lack of understanding and by their actions. Don't tell me I'm over reacting or taking it to seriously, or telling me I can't come to my own conclusion.
The Sea Shepard's are no better than lawless gang members who think they're impowered to do what they feel is right. That's not how you go about a 'cause' and not take the heat for such actions. Either do something effective as a group, take the suffering that comes with it, stop whinning OR go home.

Originally Posted by Lodef

No matter what happens on the rest of this show, the fact is the Sea Shepherd has brought huge Public Awareness to their cause and this alone will be considered a very successful campaign regardless of the events that unfold in the waters of the Antarctica.

Originally Posted by CPanther95

That's true, the exposure will certainly benefit Watson with increased donations from similar minded eco-terrorists who are made aware of his campaign.

As for the whales, it is an extremely unsuccessful venture because he has turned so much public opinion against the anti-whaling effort. Lose the PR battle, and there's absolutely no hope of forcing a change in the law. Watson doesn't care if 90% of Americans that are against whaling change their view because of his radical actions, as long as he can tap into the other 10% for a net increase in funding.

Of course, if whaling would stop, Watson would lose his livelihood - so in that sense it is a win-win for Watson.

Originally Posted by Rutgar

Yeah, he would have invented a large sling shot out one of the female crew member's bra, to get the bottles of butyric acid over the nets on the Japanese ships!

Originally Posted by WaTaGuMp

Good job, if Paul reads this you just showed him what to do.

Originally Posted by CPanther95

I'm wondering how long until he suggests dropping acid bombs from the helicopter.

Originally Posted by WaTaGuMp

I thought of that a LONG time ago, which I am sure many here did. The pilot can do something like Apocalypse Now, " I love the smell of butyric acid in the morning"

Originally Posted by CPanther95

I'm wondering how long until he suggests dropping acid bombs from the helicopter.

Originally Posted by CPanther95

I'm wondering how long until he suggests dropping acid bombs from the helicopter.

Originally Posted by vurbano

It would be a piece of cake in a copter

Originally Posted by rotohead

I don't know what 'piece' you're refering to but you don't have a clue what you're talking about. And it's 'chopper' in that vinacular...'copter' is something I use to do in high school, if you know what I mean.