Panasonic releases 2 professional Plasma TVs with highest contrast ratio

The most INTERESTING thing about the article was the "NEW PHOSPHOR MATERIAL" are the green phosphors made of this new material FASTER than the old ones? I really hope that someone starts addressing the green phosphor lag soon as I'm returning my last plasma because of this issue.

Gary Merson, the HD Guru has reviewed the 65 inch version at:

http://hdguru.com/panasonic-premiere...st-review/276/

Worth reading.

Wes

There is already a thread about this display here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1063455

Why nothing in between the 65 and 50 inch?

My guess is because these will probably be replaced by the inch-thick NeoPDP monitors in less than a year after their debut anyway. And those have already been shown in 50", 58", and 65" prototypes.

Sounds like the making of a very nice set, but these contrast ratio games are getting out of hand. 60,000 to 1? Reminds me of the 70's when you had these garbage amplifiers boasting 1000 watts per channel while a Marantz or McIntosh were rated at 100 watts and blew them out of the water.

I would love to know as well. I'm seriously considering picking up a 42PZ80 to replace my Sony CRT since the prices are getting ridiculously low, but if these new models are going to improve the yellow trail issue in the slightest I will definitely wait on them.

This almost looks like what Pioneer has done with kuro.

The contrast ratios from manufacturers are meaningless numbers.

You've seen the new Panasonics?

By looks I mean what I am reading in the article linked.

Nope

Is this dynamic black layer the same crystal emissive layer pioneer has on the front of the kuro panel? If so, can we expect kuro-like blacks from this panel as well as the consumer models next april?

Similar, yes


No. It requires more than that for Kuro blacks.

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Originally Posted by H_Prestige
Is this dynamic black layer the same crystal emissive layer pioneer has on the front of the kuro panel?

D-Nice wrote: Similar, yes

Well, that's essentially what I was saying. Are you disagreeing with me just to be contentious?


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If so, can we expect kuro-like blacks from this panel as well as the consumer models next april?

D-Nice wrote: No. It requires more than that for Kuro blacks.

You're being a bit presumptuous. No independent test has been performed to see how these panasonics performed.

You should really look at my post titled "The Definitive Plasma Video".
It's VERY helpful when comparing different plasmas.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1088548

What do you qualify as independent? This seems a fair enough comparison:

Never mind about the independent test. I just noticed the HD Guru link.
So from what he's saying, the Kuro is a smidgen darker but details get lost in the kuro. Well, no surprise there. I've noticed that in kuros.

Do you know the history of the crystal emissive layer on Pioneer displays? That specific tech has been around since the 6G Pioneers...and they are not Kuros.



Lol, if you really believe that, when Ht magazine, Sound and Vison, etc do their tests, here is my "I told you so" in advance.

D-Nice correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall you saying that the vx100 has blacks comparable to an 8G kuro. Does this apply only to the vx100 panel or does it include next year's consumer line as well?

Comprehend how and what gamma and proper luminance rise are and you will understand what is going on. Ask Gary why he did not detail the VX100's gamma and luminance rise...specifically how it behaves from 0-20% stimuli

To be fair here, we're comparing present gen Pioneers with next year's Panasonics. While even the current Kuro's best this display's black level, it's the 10g Kuro's that will tell us to what extent

The blacks on the VX100 are comparable to the 8G Kuros. They are not equal or better than the 9G Kuros.

As I've said before, I will not discuss NeoPDPs at this time.

The article says the dynamic black layer is on the front of the panel. Does that mean it's using a single layer design or is it still two layers of glass?

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I don't think this is Panasonic's 09 models. Isn't it an in-between 08-09 model?

This is a '09 product....just not a NeoPDP.

I have been a little skeptical of the HD Guru ever since told the world that he prefers Colorspace 1 on the 9G Kuros as it appears more realistic to him and he prefers it, and then he said that Gamma setting of 1 is the most accurate and averaged 1.91. Everyone except him favors Gamma 2 as that average measures just a tad under 2.2. Everyone except him favors Colorspace 2 as it is more accurate. Using Colorspace 1 you would have to turn the color setting down to below 0 to get near accurate color saturation, but I am sure he had color jacked to about 2 or 3....maybe even higher! Point is, I take him with a grain of salt.

So when he says that the Pio is blacker by measurement, but the same by eye.....then he says that the Panny has better shadow detail. Well, I have to file that one away under useless observation from a guy who didn't know that Gamma 2 was more accurate and prefers the look of Colorspace 1. May very well be true, but coming from him I have to wait and see on that one. Where to begin with the list of factors that could screw his comparison up. Were both sets calibrated? By who.....him? I wonder what he set Gamma to on the 9G. I wonder if he is a good calibrator? Was the 9G on colorspace 1? I wonder if he is a good calibirator?

In terms of PQ, Brightness, Black levels and processing, how do these two panels compare? I really don't want to wait another year for a Neo-PDP. Thanks for your help. I was ready to pull the trigger on the 11UK when I head about the VX100