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post #31 of 70
12/4/08 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by TSHA222 View Post

Hey Ralph.

Sorry to take so long to get back on here. If you look at basically any of the dark scenes, you will see some compression related artifacts. I will post some pics in the next couple of days.

Cheers,

Chris White

I saw them also. Mainly in dark scenes. The opening sequence where Prince Caspian is riding a horse. Look at the sky in those.
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post #32 of 70
12/5/08 at 2:14am
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Originally Posted by PSWii60 View Post

I saw them also. Mainly in dark scenes. The opening sequence where Prince Caspian is riding a horse. Look at the sky in those.

I noticed this as well. Probably a consequence of using a third of the movie disc for a special feature.
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post #33 of 70
12/5/08 at 2:39pm
I just viewed PC yesterday on blu ray. It looks wonderful, but not as "clean" as I thought it would be, and certainly didn't look as sharp as the sneak previews shown on other Disney BD releases. Oh well. I actually enjoyed this movie on the second viewing; I had thought it was "OK" when I saw it at the theater. This is my first 7.1 movie soundtrack, and it sounds fantastic with my 5.1 system. My reciever shows 7.1 activated, so at least I know the electronics work.

Circle-Vision interactive on disk 1 is a cool special feature, and a surprise. Some of its content is repeated in disc 2. I am glad Disney decided to add more special features on this release, compared to the LWW release. I love these special features and several easter eggs on disc 2.

Overall, I'm glad I got the 3-disc release of PC.

cheers!
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post #34 of 70
12/5/08 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by TSHA222 View Post

Hey Ralph.

Sorry to take so long to get back on here. If you look at basically any of the dark scenes, you will see some compression related artifacts. I will post some pics in the next couple of days.

Cheers,

Chris White

Greetings,

Thanks Chris. I will check this over the weekend...


Cheers,
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post #35 of 70
12/5/08 at 4:34pm
For comparison, if you have The Incredible Hulk, give that a spin. The dark scenes in that BD are flawless. I didn't look at anything else, i.e. edge enhancement or anything, just looked at the dark scenes to see if there was any noise present. I only mention this title because I just watched it so it is still fresh.

Thanks,

Chris White
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post #36 of 70
12/5/08 at 5:37pm
Ralph, Anyone else? do you think that the Extended edition of the First Narnia will make it out on Blu-Ray anytime soon? I thought the battles needed to be longer in the first film and read that the extended edition features extended battle scenes.

Thanks.
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post #37 of 70
12/5/08 at 6:28pm
I hope so. These films are just shy of Lord of the Rings in entertainment value. Extended scenes would be great.

Chris White
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post #38 of 70
12/5/08 at 8:20pm
Thought the movie was great!
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post #39 of 70
12/6/08 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by TSHA222 View Post

For comparison, if you have The Incredible Hulk, give that a spin. The dark scenes in that BD are flawless. I didn't look at anything else, i.e. edge enhancement or anything, just looked at the dark scenes to see if there was any noise present. I only mention this title because I just watched it so it is still fresh.

Thanks,

Chris White

Greetings,

Chris, I watched several sequences including the entire beginning escape, the following scene in Badger's hovel, shots of the interior of the tomb, and the entire castle attack. I didn't see any noise in the background sky during the escape. The dark and shadowy areas in Badger's hovel were quiet/solid. There were several long range shots of the castle and sky at the beginning of the attack sequence which didn't exhibit anything unusal. There is quite a bit of CGI fog in those sequences which highlights grain but it doesn't manifest itself by appearing noisy from what I see. The interior background wall inside the castle at the 1:08 mark before the mice see the cat did appear noisy. It was brief but looked different than what I described earlier. It was minimal and probably wouldn't be noticeable unless you were paying strict attention.

Is what you are seeing simliar to macroblocking? I am in no way questioning what you are seeing but perhaps there is an interaction between the source material, your player and your display's settings. Just a thought. I know that there are several others who have seen this as well...

Cheers,
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post #40 of 70
12/6/08 at 8:14am
I didn't see this on my copy. I specifically paid attention during the dark scenes. Do you have a time stamp of the issue? Then again I don't have a 1080P set and I am not watching it for 4 feet away

I'm watching a 768P Plasma from 9 feet away.
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post #41 of 70
12/6/08 at 8:25am
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1092791
Xylon is calling it reference quality. It makes me wonder if the noise is being mistaken for something else (grain, etc).
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post #42 of 70
12/6/08 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by patrick99 View Post

I noticed this as well. Probably a consequence of using a third of the movie disc for a special feature.

And yet, it's being called reference on another thread.

Go figure.

Someone already mentioned a specific audio problem with HW like mine (BD30 bitstreaming to a receiver), I'll be Netflixing it just for that check, since I don't have a big interest in the film. However, now, this is something I want to see too, the dark scenes, etc...
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post #43 of 70
12/6/08 at 11:54am
Ralph,

It may well be grain and I won't get into all that To my eyes, on my system, it looks noisy, esp compared to other titles in my collection (Incredible Hulk for instance). I am quite certain it is not an issue with my display or anything in the signal chain. But I am watching on a 16' wide screen and that highlites everything, the good and the bad. If it is intentional (as in grain) then this is a non-issue. I will definitely watch it again with a more critical eye. Thanks for revisiting the title.

Chris White
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post #44 of 70
12/6/08 at 12:04pm
This movie isn't reference quality. It's good, but not up there.
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post #45 of 70
12/7/08 at 11:25am
I think this movie deserves the score Ralph gave it.

On top of being an excellent film the presentation is top-notch.

I went looking for the artifacts and banding in my copy today and I could not find any examples. Everything looked great on my 52XBR4.

Perhaps the banding is a symptom of using a DLP projector or TV? I used to have a DLP setup and it always introduced banding.
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post #46 of 70
12/7/08 at 2:49pm
I have never had any banding issues due to my DLP setup. What did you have? The DPI 3 Chip models that I have used (I'm on my second) are top notch.

Regarding the PQ of Narnia 2, some see it as perfect and some not. I guess that is just the way it goes I think some of the back and forth is unneeded (although I have participated ) because regardless, this HD transfer blows away the standard DVD and things can only get better (IMO) from here on out.

Chris White
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post #47 of 70
12/7/08 at 3:36pm
Is there any content differences in the 2 disc and 3 disc release other than the digital copy part? Just wondering as I have only the 2 disc one.
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post #48 of 70
12/7/08 at 9:18pm
Ralph,

I concur wholeheartedly with your review; it is indeed reference quality! My only exception to your analysis would be that some of the facial close-ups weren't as detailed as they might have been.

FWIW, here is the review I just gave of both the Narnia titles on the Blu-ray PQ thread, with the emphasis being on Prince Caspian:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post15242508
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post #49 of 70
12/13/08 at 3:34pm
I also agree 100% with Ralph's review although it could've had more `pop' with a little more sharpness.
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post #50 of 70
12/13/08 at 5:40pm
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I also agree 100% with Ralph's review although it could've had more `pop' with a little more sharpness.

Agree with A/V score. The movie its self fell not so good.
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post #51 of 70
12/14/08 at 5:58pm
I thought this movie was great. The 7.1 is amazing. The chase scene was good. Alot of things going on working my surround. Also the Water god scene was amazing. I thought it was kinda dark in some areas.
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post #52 of 70
12/15/08 at 8:58am
Great Review Ralph! I agreed completely with you on this one...
I saw it over the weekend and really enjoyed it!.. I am still catching up with a bunch of BDs...
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post #53 of 70
12/16/08 at 8:08pm
I have to say I found this movie dreadful. Yes, the transfer is nice, but these days most Blu-ray transfers are.

It's a poorly crafted morality tale without any morality. The characters are lifeless and two-dimensional...and I'm talking about the real actors, not the CG ones. ;-) The script is a pacing mess, and the whole thing completely lacks any of the charm from the first film.

I would *really* recommend renting this one before purchasing. I'm sad to say I purchased it outright based largely on this review. I should have looked at RT or metacritic, as well!
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post #54 of 70
12/16/08 at 10:52pm
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Originally Posted by joe12south View Post

I have to say I found this movie dreadful. Yes, the transfer is nice, but these days most Blu-ray transfers are.

It's a poorly crafted morality tale without any morality. The characters are lifeless and two-dimensional...and I'm talking about the real actors, not the CG ones. ;-) The script is a pacing mess, and the whole thing completely lacks any of the charm from the first film.

I would *really* recommend renting this one before purchasing. I'm sad to say I purchased it outright based largely on this review. I should have looked at RT or metacritic, as well!

I don't agree you should buy any movie based on a review (Movie content). I always rent first if i can and then decide if its going to be a repeat viewing within 12 months ect..
Completely agree with your take on the movie content though.
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post #55 of 70
12/17/08 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by joe12south View Post

I have to say I found this movie dreadful. Yes, the transfer is nice, but these days most Blu-ray transfers are.

It's a poorly crafted morality tale without any morality. The characters are lifeless and two-dimensional...and I'm talking about the real actors, not the CG ones. ;-) The script is a pacing mess, and the whole thing completely lacks any of the charm from the first film.

I would *really* recommend renting this one before purchasing. I'm sad to say I purchased it outright based largely on this review. I should have looked at RT or metacritic, as well!

I read the book - for the most part, it is better than the movie. So far, I have read the books before the movie releases.
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post #56 of 70
12/17/08 at 9:57pm
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Originally Posted by joe12south View Post

I have to say I found this movie dreadful. Yes, the transfer is nice, but these days most Blu-ray transfers are.

The Forum (including this thread) is all about opinions, and so you are surely entitled to give yours. Having said that, I enjoyed the movie....that's my opinion!

Like the old adage says, "Different strokes for different folks."
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post #57 of 70
12/25/08 at 6:12pm
Doubtless this is probably misplaced, but I'm actually having some technical issues with my copy of the disk.

The current setup we've got going on is a new 80GB PS3 hooked up via HDMI to a 46" LG TV, with optical audio output from the PS3 to an older Sony audio processor (hooked up with 5.1, and dolby compatible and whatnot). The problem isn't that I'm not getting audio; rather, it's that the disk freezes and won't continue to the main menu after the previews.

Mind you, there's a warning screen that pops up when we start it that says that we may need to upgrade some firmware or something to avoid a 2-3 minute pause. However, after the previews have played through, when the disk should be going to the main menu, it just freezes and won't continue at all, no matter what I try. The problem seems to always come up when referencing the main menu.

Now, is this a problem with my setup, or do I need to return the movie to Best Buy for a working copy?

(and yes, I know I'm a n00b at blu-ray, and at this forum, but any help would be greatly appreciated - mods, please move as appropriate ^_^)
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post #58 of 70
12/25/08 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by joe12south View Post

I have to say I found this movie dreadful. Yes, the transfer is nice, but these days most Blu-ray transfers are.

It's a poorly crafted morality tale without any morality. The characters are lifeless and two-dimensional...and I'm talking about the real actors, not the CG ones. ;-) The script is a pacing mess, and the whole thing completely lacks any of the charm from the first film.

I would *really* recommend renting this one before purchasing. I'm sad to say I purchased it outright based largely on this review. I should have looked at RT or metacritic, as well!

I watched this last night with my family. I'm afraid I have to agree with you.
One of us fell asleep and I don't really blame him.
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post #59 of 70
12/30/08 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by Lonely Surfer View Post

I watched this last night with my family. I'm afraid I have to agree with you.
One of us fell asleep and I don't really blame him.

GF and I watched it Sunday night. While we both really enjoyed the first one, this one just seemed dull.
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post #60 of 70
12/30/08 at 4:35pm
FYI, Disney has canceled the series.
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