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post #151 of 430
For thosw who bought the Blu-Ray gift set from Best Buy, can you actually wear the mask that come with it or it just sits there?

I plan on picking up a copy tommorow, it will be my first Blu-Ray and I will also finally get to know what all the fuss is about.
post #152 of 430
I'm Batman!
post #153 of 430
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Originally Posted by ryankenn View Post

I think I was misunderstood. I am aware I'm not losing picture that the director intended, but I losing actual viewable space with these transistions. From my understanding, in order to show the movie in IMAX, the whole thing has a 1.85 print somewhere, otherwise we would have been losing alot of image on the sides in the IMAX theatres during every scene that wasn't shot for IMAX, and I for one don't remember that happening.


No, that is not the case. The aspect ratio changed in IMAX theaters the same as it does on the BD...with one exception. The top and bottom of the IMAX shots have been slightly cropped down to fill a 16:9 screen. The non-IMAX scenes were shot exactly as you are seeing them on the BD.

When shown in IMAX theaters, the non-IMAX scenes were letterboxed. The non-IMAX scenes were the correct and original aspect ratio while the IMAX scenes were in the IMAX aspect ratio. It may have been so dark and done so well that you didn't notice the letterboxing.

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I find this "revolutionary" choice that was made to have alternating aspect ratios just for the sake of a few IMAX shots that we don't have IMAX size screens for at home, a big mistake and highly noticable and annoying during playback on my size screen. I'd also love to know if an entire IMAX print exists, because I would pay quadruple to have that version. I don't care what I'm losing from the sides, 60" of full screen is a more enveloping experience than the black bars are.

The argument over fullscreen vs widescreen is as old as VHS. Most of us prefer the directors intent. To each his own. You might be happier with the fullscreen DVD copy of this film rather than the BD. I understand your complaint and your opinion about the changing aspect ratio. It appeared that most members here were hoping for correct changing aspect ratio before this release and now that it has been released...it appears that most of us also enjoy the changing aspect ratio.

I'm sure they expected some folks to be unhappy. This is what the filmmaker wanted however and luckily we have been given his vision for the film rather than a compromise. In my personal opinion...filmmaker/director intent/vision trumps everything else. If you consider it to be an artform, as I do, then you want it to be unaltered as much as possible.

It's too bad you don't enjoy it. Hopefully you will warm to the concept or find something else you enjoy more. Good luck.
post #154 of 430
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Originally Posted by mill7613 View Post

The changing aspect ratios did not bother me at all, what did bother me was the choppiness of the movie especially during the bank heist in the beginning. It was almost as if the Blu-ray player didn't have enough memory to keep up with the IMAX scenes?? I am running a Pioneer BDP-95FD with the latest firmware (ver. 3.35) on a Pioneer Kuro 60" plasma.

Hmm...I didn't notice that problem. I wasn't looking for it either, but something like that would have jumped out at me.
post #155 of 430
I've now watched it 3 times, and it is getting less annoying. Its just hard to swallow how awesome the panoramic shots are when shown at 1.85 and I wish I could have it all.

However, I watched it at my friends tonight, and as suspected, having to either make the choice to watch it with no masking was annoying with white screen, but unavoidable. I'd love to hear a few more people with projection systems with/without masks think of this movie experience.

I like the movie, so it will stay in my collection, but if I wanted to watch what the director intended, I would still not know that Gaff was talking in cityspeak, which is a combination of Hungarian, French, Chinese, German and Japanese. Directors need to let me make the decision on my movie watching experience, especially when they have 50 GB of space to at least let the consumer now make the choice on their own.
post #156 of 430
Wow. I just watched it for the first time. I think TDK blu ray has the best PQ I've seen so far. I don't have a lot of BD movies, but this one certainly ranks at the top in visual/picture quality. The AR transition did not bother me. Audio is outstanding, too, but I really can't judge sound since I'm still changing my speaker settings at home and since I used headphones to watch this movie. TDK: very intense, emotional, and psychologically gripping.
post #157 of 430
So I watched this last night and can swear some scene's were cut a little differently than what was shown in the theater.
For example, i coulda sworn the scene when the Joker was clapping in the jail it was a few more seconds longer in the theater, along with the scene with the tractor-trailer truck flipping end over end, thinking that in the theater this scene was done a little more in slow-motion and little longer.

Anyone else think this too or am I just over analyzing??
post #158 of 430
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Originally Posted by ryankenn View Post

I find this "revolutionary" choice that was made to have alternating aspect ratios just for the sake of a few IMAX shots that we don't have IMAX size screens for at home, a big mistake and highly noticable and annoying during playback on my size screen. I'd also love to know if an entire IMAX print exists, because I would pay quadruple to have that version. I don't care what I'm losing from the sides, 60" of full screen is a more enveloping experience than the black bars are.

If this is what you want then you should have a zoom available on your player, no? Or even in the TV itself?

There is no IMAX print. One thing people don't seem to understand is that most of this movie is live action and traditional movie making technique. There are tons of digital effects but they are to clean up the images, not to create entire scenes, like e.g. Lucas did when he presented AotC in IMAX format. So to make an "IMAX print" they would have to crop and chop the 35mm workprint. Your hardware should be able to do that for you itself if you want to ruin the director's intended artistic vision.

As for the debate in general, I think there are a couple of times where the decision to use it was slightly annoying, these are the two overhead shots that were not followed by a subsequent IMAX scene - the overhead of the parade for Loeb and the overhead of the evacuation of the city. These were only "up" for a couple of seconds before switching back to the normal aspect ratio and I could see why that might annoy some people. Not me though.

What irritates me in your tone though is this thought process: "I don't like it, ergo it was a BIG mistake. Yay me." How about some respect for the director and how he wants to present the movie? This wasn't a gimmick. It is clear from Nolan's multiple quotes on the subject that he wanted the IMAX to present these scenes and he wanted those scenes to be more immersive. I know people have this idea that as consumer everyone works for them and that anything they don't like is a mistake on the part of the producers, but that simply isn't the reality of the world. If you want a director who caters to the lowest common denominator of viewers, then I suggest multiple Brett Ratner marathons.

Now for my really unimportant complaint/question - is anyone else finding the BD-live content to be excrutiatingly slow? They are just getting up and running and I expect that this is not the finished product, I'm just curious if others are having the same experience, or if the BD-live content is so dense (doesn't seem to be) that I need to think about hardwiring or upgrading my wireless connection.

Also, no choppiness on the PS3. May want to check your disc for damage.
post #159 of 430
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Originally Posted by opie168 View Post

So I watched this last night and can swear some scene's were cut a little differently than what was shown in the theater.
For example, i coulda sworn the scene when the Joker was clapping in the jail it was a few more seconds longer in the theater, along with the scene with the tractor-trailer truck flipping end over end, thinking that in the theater this scene was done a little more in slow-motion and little longer.

Anyone else think this too or am I just over analyzing??

I was thinking the same thing, maybe not those same areas but I seem to remember the Joker having a few scenes that lasted a bit longer, and a bit more creepy.

I did notice something I missed in the original watching though which is hard to believe. On the side of the Semi it said " S-Laughter" Home theaters are so much better than the Multi-plexes
post #160 of 430
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Originally Posted by mill7613 View Post

The changing aspect ratios did not bother me at all, what did bother me was the choppiness of the movie especially during the bank heist in the beginning. It was almost as if the Blu-ray player didn't have enough memory to keep up with the IMAX scenes?? I am running a Pioneer BDP-95FD with the latest firmware (ver. 3.35) on a Pioneer Kuro 60" plasma.

I have a PS3 and a Pioneer Kuro 50" and it was smooth as butter. I saw no choppiness at all. My buddy has a Sony XBR 5 and a PS3 and saw the same choppiness you described. I'm started to wonder if some disks are flawed.
post #161 of 430
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Originally Posted by opie168 View Post

So I watched this last night and can swear some scene's were cut a little differently than what was shown in the theater.
For example, i coulda sworn the scene when the Joker was clapping in the jail it was a few more seconds longer in the theater, along with the scene with the tractor-trailer truck flipping end over end, thinking that in the theater this scene was done a little more in slow-motion and little longer.

Anyone else think this too or am I just over analyzing??

I don't know. I saw it 4 times this summer.
Now, in my HT, I didn't think anything was missing when I watched it.

(This movie is so amazing, each time it's still as good as the previous one!)
post #162 of 430
Was it just me when I say I was disappointed with the audio from this movie?
Now don't get me wrong, the audio wasn't bad or anything but it wasn't as crisp and intense as I was excepting. Hadda turn volume up alot more and then only certain part shined rather than all. The bass levels were perfectly fine and that didn't bother me.
I mean only Dolby TrueHD for one of the best movies easily and the avg was 1.4mbps....

I mean Wanted was in MA and that was pretty damn good audio wise.
post #163 of 430
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Originally Posted by DarkGSR View Post

I mean only Dolby TrueHD for one of the best movies easily and the avg was 1.4mbps....

16bit TrueHD has an avarage on about 1,5mbs.

TrueHD is lossless, so any issue is either with the 24 to 16 bit conversion, or the mix itself, and Im 99% sure its the mix that is responsible for anything you dont like about the audio.
post #164 of 430
Has anyone else experienced these brief ( 1 sec ) audio outages on their disc? I am using the Harmon Kardon AVR247 7.1 Reciever with the Sony BDP S300 Player with the latest firmware 4.3.

I do not have the rear 7.1 channel speakers connected. But my reciever shows on the front panel that the disc is transmitting to those rear channels ( TrueHD )

These brief audio drop-outs occur at :

3:38 the rear 7.1 lights on front panel goes out ( 1 sec audio drop-out )

3:58 the rear 7.1 lights on front panel appears again ( 1 sec audio drop-out )

The same happens with the rest of the times below. Brief audio drop-out when I lose my rear speaker lights and brief drop-out when they re-appear.

134:45 - 135:08
152:34 - 152:56
210:54 - 211:10

Is anyone else having this problem? I am thinking that maybe I have a bad disc. Going to take the disc down to BestBuy and see will it occur on their players.
post #165 of 430
Once again I agree wholeheartedly with Ralph's review. This title is now on the top of my demo list (along with Prince Caspian)!

I could enumerate the many virtues of this transfer, but I won't repeat what Ralph and others have said. I do want to emphasize though that this title had the best black levels and shadow detail I have ever seen, bar none. If your HDTV has a high contrast ratio and can display deep blacks, you will be AMAZED! One scene that really stands out in this regard is when the Joker is being interrogated and it shows his face amidst pitch blackness...prepare to be WOWED!

As far the AQ (and this should answer DarkGSR's post), it was also reference quality. It gave my Velodyne Servo sub a real workout, especially the scene towards the end when the Joker blew up the hospital.....it succeeded in shaking my whole basement. Dialogue was crisp and my surrounds were bright and active.

The only negative comment I would have is that the PQ in the temporary Batcave scenes were not on the same level as the rest of the movie; the detail was lacking, IMO. I did notice a couple of instances of ringing (i.e., halos) but this did not distract me one iota. In fact, I had to really look for them to see them (and I have concluded I have to get out of the habit of looking for them).
post #166 of 430
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Originally Posted by Bombero View Post

Has anyone else experienced these brief ( 1 sec ) audio outages on their disc? I am using the Harmon Kardon AVR247 7.1 Reciever with the Sony BDP S300 Player with the latest firmware 4.3.

It played on my Panasonic BD30 without any problem whatsoever. From what I've read in other threads, maybe there's an issue with the sony players...
post #167 of 430
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

It played on my Panasonic BD30 without any problem whatsoever. From what I've read in other threads, maybe there's an issue with the sony players...

I too have the Panny BD30 with an Onkyo 705 and it was flawless.
post #168 of 430
Thread Starter 
Greetings,

No sound issues here either...


Cheers,
post #169 of 430
I used PS3 with Yamaha 663 receiver and no visual issues or audio dropout.

I guess your right MovieSwede, its the mix but still pisses me off that it wasn't in MA.
post #170 of 430
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Originally Posted by Mark P View Post

Anyone watching this with an Anamorphic lens, if so, how is it effecting the movie?

I did... no problems at all. Someone in the CIH forum put up some screen shots that showed you lose a bit of information that gets cropped during the IMAX scenes, but it's not much. I completely forget about this entire issue while watching the film.
post #171 of 430
Cool movie, but Tons of problems with the disc!

The switching from IMAX to 2:40 is a huge problem for people like me who have a 2:35 screen!! Also with that switching that screws-up the HDMi transmission for some reason Disc stopped at chapter 37?

I sure hope WB will release a special edition with only 2:40 aspect ratio until then I will re-rent it from Blockbuster hope the new disc is better?
post #172 of 430
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Cool movie, but Tons of problems with the disc!

The switching from IMAX to 2:40 is a huge problem for people like me who have a 2:35 screen!! Also with that switching that screws-up the HDMi transmission for some reason Disc stopped at chapter 37?

I sure hope WB will release a special edition with only 2:40 aspect ratio until then I will re-rent it from Blockbuster hope the new disc is better?

So you had troubles but the post above you didnt? are either of you using scalers with your anamorphic lenses? I havent tried it in the big theater yet since I havent decided on a BD player
post #173 of 430
Has anyone figured out what the "Audio Button" is used for in the Menu ?

Settings > Audio Menu > Audio Button
post #174 of 430
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Originally Posted by Bombero View Post

Has anyone figured out what the "Audio Button" is used for in the Menu ?

Settings > Audio Menu > Audio Button

I believe it turns the audio for the buttons when you select them on or off.
post #175 of 430
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Originally Posted by smastroyin View Post


Now for my really unimportant complaint/question - is anyone else finding the BD-live content to be excrutiatingly slow? They are just getting up and running and I expect that this is not the finished product, I'm just curious if others are having the same experience, or if the BD-live content is so dense (doesn't seem to be) that I need to think about hardwiring or upgrading my wireless connection.

Also, no choppiness on the PS3. May want to check your disc for damage.

My only problem with the BD-Live has been that none of the video plays full screen. I would have enjoyed different quality and size options for trailers and such.
post #176 of 430
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Originally Posted by ryankenn View Post

I've now watched it 3 times, and it is getting less annoying. Its just hard to swallow how awesome the panoramic shots are when shown at 1.85 and I wish I could have it all.

However, I watched it at my friends tonight, and as suspected, having to either make the choice to watch it with no masking was annoying with white screen, but unavoidable. I'd love to hear a few more people with projection systems with/without masks think of this movie experience.

I like the movie, so it will stay in my collection, but if I wanted to watch what the director intended, I would still not know that Gaff was talking in cityspeak, which is a combination of Hungarian, French, Chinese, German and Japanese. Directors need to let me make the decision on my movie watching experience, especially when they have 50 GB of space to at least let the consumer now make the choice on their own.

Well, the issue there is that they (the filmmaker) and most enthusiasts don't believe the film is ours or yours. We wouldn't change other forms of art. Of course, if you don't see it as a work of art...you will feel differently.

Let's hope that director's continue to make their films and not let their intentions be altered or deterred.
post #177 of 430
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Originally Posted by Mark P View Post

So you had troubles but the post above you didnt?




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Originally Posted by Mark P View Post

are either of you using scalers with your anamorphic lenses? I havent tried it in the big theater yet since I havent decided on a BD player

Yes Genum
post #178 of 430
did anyone feel like the dialogue in this movie was low? I had to turn my system up when there was diaogue but when the action came I had to turn it down, haven't had this problem with other movies like KFP Iron Man, I Robot (all reference movies for audio imo)
post #179 of 430
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Originally Posted by acevesf View Post

did anyone feel like the dialogue in this movie was low? I had to turn my system up when there was diaogue but when the action came I had to turn it down, haven't had this problem with other movies like KFP Iron Man, I Robot (all reference movies for audio imo)

x2 I also noticed this, I would turn it up trying to hear what they were saying and next thing I knew my subwoofer was blowing me into the next room.
post #180 of 430
thank god it wasn't just me
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