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post #1831 of 2105
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

Honestly, it's not that good for music. Definitely grab a HSU.

Why? i can't decide between the Bic f12 or this one. i will use it for everthing, music,movies,gaming etc.
post #1832 of 2105
bump.
post #1833 of 2105
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

Honestly, it's not that good for music. Definitely grab a HSU.

I'd have to agree on this. Its bass delivery for music is kind of binary - either you get a thump or you don't, but there isn't much variation in the type of bass notes that come out of it. My old Hsu STF-1 was better at music. If you don't have a huge room to fill, go with Hsu. Get the STF-2 if the room is a bit bigger.
post #1834 of 2105
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Originally Posted by Pete7874 View Post

I'd have to agree on this. Its bass delivery for music is kind of binary - either you get a thump or you don't, but there isn't much variation in the type of bass notes that come out of it. My old Hsu STF-1 was better at music. If you don't have a huge room to fill, go with Hsu. Get the STF-2 if the room is a bit bigger.


Well I was on a budget and I needed to spend less then 250. I decided to get the pa-120 sud. Once it arrives I will test it out and see how it sounds.
post #1835 of 2105
quick question all with my denon 1610 hooked to this sub it will not turn off when I shut my receiver off. I press off on my avr's remote and after 20 minutes the sub light is still green? Is there any settings I can adjust to ensure my sub will go into standby. I realy don't want the sub on 24/7...... do I?. Thanks all for any input/help.
post #1836 of 2105
The receiver does not power the sub, just sends it a signal. The sub is powered internally. There is a 3 position switch on the back (on/auto/off). Set it to auto (middle position I believe - it's written on the back), and the sub will power on when it senses a signal and turn off approx 15-20 minutes after it does not.
post #1837 of 2105
Can someone help me setup the volume, phase and crossover settings on the back of the subwoofer to my onkyo 607 and energy take classic 5s speakers. I don't have a clue.
post #1838 of 2105
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Originally Posted by HDgeneration View Post

Can someone help me setup the volume, phase and crossover settings on the back of the subwoofer to my onkyo 607 and energy take classic 5s speakers. I don't have a clue.

Unfortunately, this isn't something that can be done over the internet. Get yourself an Avia calibration DVD or something similar.

However, if your sub is firing the same direction as your mains, I would say leave the phase at 0. Also, set your crossover to max, because you basically want your receiver to do the bass management, not your sub.
post #1839 of 2105
Set the phase to 0, crossover to max, and volume to half way. Then run audyssey.


After you run audyssey, go into the speaker setup menu change the LPF of LFE to 120Hz. Then change the all speaker crossovers to 120Hz.
post #1840 of 2105
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Originally Posted by Pete7874 View Post

Unfortunately, this isn't something that can be done over the internet. Get yourself an Avia calibration DVD or something similar.

However, if your sub is firing the same direction as your mains, I would say leave the phase at 0. Also, set your crossover to max, because you basically want your receiver to do the bass management, not your sub.

My PA-120(1st ever sub) is pointed at a 90 degree angle to my mains. It's toward the front of the room, about 4 ft from the right main. Should my phase be set to something other than 0?
post #1841 of 2105
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Originally Posted by Pinstripe View Post

The receiver does not power the sub, just sends it a signal. The sub is powered internally. There is a 3 position switch on the back (on/auto/off). Set it to auto (middle position I believe - it's written on the back), and the sub will power on when it senses a signal and turn off approx 15-20 minutes after it does not.

I understand that the avr only sends the signal not the power, but the weird situation is while the avr is off or standby (red light around power buttonon the denon) the sub remains on (green light on back of sub). I have the sub set to auto and again after over an hour of not using the receiver the sub is still on I believe because the green light on the back of the sub is still on. Weird right
post #1842 of 2105
i currently have my sub in the bottom section of one of the towers of my 3-piece home entertainment center, however both the front and back is completely open and the sub fits perfect. is this ok, i mean it wont overheat or affect the sound will it? it seems like its doing fine.
post #1843 of 2105
killahb36, yes.
post #1844 of 2105
I read somewhere in this thread the best way to set this sub up...like how far from the wall should it be? I have it on the right side in a corner..thanks.
post #1845 of 2105
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

Set the phase to 0, crossover to max, and volume to half way. Then run audyssey.


After you run audyssey, go into the speaker setup menu change the LPF of LFE to 120Hz. Then change the all speaker crossovers to 120Hz.

I set the volume to 3 and the bass is pretty good. Never had a sub and i am impressed. I did what you did, set everything to 120hz in the receiver (onkyo607) and the LPF of LFE to 120hz. Do you think these are the correct settings for my Energy Take Classic 5 speakers? These are the specs for the 5s.
#
Satellite speakers:
# frequency response: 115-20,000 Hz (±3dB)
# 3/4" Hyperbolic aluminum-dome tweeter
# 3" poly-titanium woofer
# each handles up to 100 watts
# keyhole slots with threaded inserts for wall-mounting
# 4-3/16"W x 6-11/16"H x 4-15/16"D
#
Center channel speaker:
# frequency response: 110-20,000 Hz (±3dB)
# 3/4" Hyperbolic aluminum-dome tweeter
# 3" poly-titanium woofer
# handles up to 100 watts
# keyhole slots with threaded inserts for wall-mounting
# 10-1/4"W x 4-3/16"H x 5"D
post #1846 of 2105
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Originally Posted by HDgeneration View Post

I set the volume to 3 and the bass is pretty good. Never had a sub and i am impressed. I did what you did, set everything to 120hz in the receiver (onkyo607) and the LPF of LFE to 120hz. Do you think these are the correct settings for my Energy Take Classic 5 speakers? These are the specs for the 5s.
#
Satellite speakers:
# frequency response: 115-20,000 Hz (±3dB)
# 3/4" Hyperbolic aluminum-dome tweeter
# 3" poly-titanium woofer
# each handles up to 100 watts
# keyhole slots with threaded inserts for wall-mounting
# 4-3/16"W x 6-11/16"H x 4-15/16"D
#
Center channel speaker:
# frequency response: 110-20,000 Hz (±3dB)
# 3/4" Hyperbolic aluminum-dome tweeter
# 3" poly-titanium woofer
# handles up to 100 watts
# keyhole slots with threaded inserts for wall-mounting
# 10-1/4"W x 4-3/16"H x 5"D

Those might be 'typical' settings but there is no such thing as 'correct' settings. Adjust it a bit until you have it where it sounds best to you...then it's correct.
post #1847 of 2105
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Originally Posted by deez View Post

I read somewhere in this thread the best way to set this sub up...like how far from the wall should it be? I have it on the right side in a corner..thanks.

In the corner is typically the best because it has 2 boundaries beside it. I would start by having it about a foot from the wall on the port side, the side isn't as important but try adjusting it...everybody's room is a bit different so there is no textbook placement.
post #1848 of 2105
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Originally Posted by tomnan24 View Post

My PA-120(1st ever sub) is pointed at a 90 degree angle to my mains. It's toward the front of the room, about 4 ft from the right main. Should my phase be set to something other than 0?

0 is fine. Low frequencies are omni-directional for the mostpart. You likely won't notice a difference even if you adjusted the phase completely opposite.
post #1849 of 2105
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDgeneration View Post

I set the volume to 3 and the bass is pretty good. Never had a sub and i am impressed. I did what you did, set everything to 120hz in the receiver (onkyo607) and the LPF of LFE to 120hz. Do you think these are the correct settings for my Energy Take Classic 5 speakers? These are the specs for the 5s.
#
Satellite speakers:
# frequency response: 115-20,000 Hz (±3dB)
# 3/4" Hyperbolic aluminum-dome tweeter
# 3" poly-titanium woofer
# each handles up to 100 watts
# keyhole slots with threaded inserts for wall-mounting
# 4-3/16"W x 6-11/16"H x 4-15/16"D
#
Center channel speaker:
# frequency response: 110-20,000 Hz (±3dB)
# 3/4" Hyperbolic aluminum-dome tweeter
# 3" poly-titanium woofer
# handles up to 100 watts
# keyhole slots with threaded inserts for wall-mounting
# 10-1/4"W x 4-3/16"H x 5"D

You might be able to try anything from 120-Hz to 150Hz from the satellite speakers. Check to see which sounds better to you.

The volume dial on the sub isn't too horribly important since audyssey should adjust that for you. I always just do half way on the dial, because that's my preference.
post #1850 of 2105
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Originally Posted by killahb36 View Post

I understand that the avr only sends the signal not the power, but the weird situation is while the avr is off or standby (red light around power button the denon) the sub remains on (green light on back of sub). I have the sub set to auto and again after over an hour of not using the receiver the sub is still on because the green light on the back of the sub is still on and I can here a slight hum from the sub. Weird right

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Originally Posted by Pinstripe View Post

killahb36, yes.

I wonder if its a fuse issue maybe? Any ideas? Also what direction should the red switch at the back of the sub next to the fuse be in, I am able to slide it up or down, and was wondering which direction was correct. Thanks all again.
post #1851 of 2105
Has anyone hooked up the PA-120 to a receiver without a Pre-Out? The only things left for me to upgrade in my HT setup are the sub and receiver. I would like to get a subwoofer first, but my receiver does not have a pre-out. Can I just use a line level converter or something along those lines to hook it up until I get a new receiver?
post #1852 of 2105
I would imagine a line level converter would work fine, but it wouldn't be optimal.
post #1853 of 2105
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

I would imagine a line level converter would work fine, but it wouldn't be optimal.

Yea, I agree it would definitely not be optimal and certainly not a long term solution, but I would rather have a good sub before a different receiver.
post #1854 of 2105
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Originally Posted by Danielson99 View Post

In the corner is typically the best because it has 2 boundaries beside it. I would start by having it about a foot from the wall on the port side, the side isn't as important but try adjusting it...everybody's room is a bit different so there is no textbook placement.

in my setup the sub is in the bottom cabinet of one of my towers of my entertainment center. its open on the front and back and is about a foot from the wall. i have it there because of space, but seems to work well.
post #1855 of 2105
Just got my Pa-120 last night. Looks great and is heavy. They didn't paint the line on the knob to show you where the levels are at which is kind of annoying.

With dvd's/Blu-Ray this is sounding really good. Hearing stuff I never heard before even when the music starts at the top menu on dvd's. Nice to hear and feel some bass with the T-Rex in Jurassic Park and the synthesized bass music during the shootout lobby scene in Matrix is almost too much.

But when I put on a cd it is almost like nothing is happening. I think it is on but there just doesn't seem to be a lot happening. Now if I put on Heart from HDNET on Directv....the bass cranks and I had to turn the sub down. Put a cd in the cd player plugged into the dvd input on the Denon which I renamed cd..not much happened.

Am I missing something?

I set the speakers to small but had the lfe??? at 80 in the Denon menu will look at the 120.

But I noticed that if I bring the crossover knob all the way to 200 on the sub I hear some bass from people talking and it becomes muddy so I back that down to maybe half way...can't see exactly where cause the paint is missing and it is better.

So initial tests seem...at least with my 3 way speakers that have 10" woofers in them and a decent size midrange....to not have the sub reproduce the 200 frequency. It does seem like the 80-120 is right on target.

Finally, I have a big room.....25x13 with cathedral ceiling but the tv, sofa is in a 3 wall boundry that is about 15x13 with the ceiling. I put the sub in the far corner like 15 feet away from my seating position same side as the tv/fronts. Sounds good.

If I move it right next to the tv....do you think it would be more prominent there? I will try it anyway of course but curious where you might put it in this size room. It does seem to have plenty of volume so not worried about needing 2 subs.
post #1856 of 2105
Finally got my PA-120 this afternoon and well, all I can really say is this thing is a MONSTER.

Located in a 18x23x8 room and LFE set to 120, paired with Polk M60s, CS2, M40s and I've got to say I am so so so impressed. It truly has performed well beyond my expectations.

For anyone on the fence about a good budget subwoofer, this is it.
post #1857 of 2105
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Originally Posted by corvairfan View Post

Just got my Pa-120 last night. Looks great and is heavy. They didn't paint the line on the knob to show you where the levels are at which is kind of annoying.

With dvd's/Blu-Ray this is sounding really good. Hearing stuff I never heard before even when the music starts at the top menu on dvd's. Nice to hear and feel some bass with the T-Rex in Jurassic Park and the synthesized bass music during the shootout lobby scene in Matrix is almost too much.

But when I put on a cd it is almost like nothing is happening. I think it is on but there just doesn't seem to be a lot happening. Now if I put on Heart from HDNET on Directv....the bass cranks and I had to turn the sub down. Put a cd in the cd player plugged into the dvd input on the Denon which I renamed cd..not much happened.

Am I missing something?

I set the speakers to small but had the lfe??? at 80 in the Denon menu will look at the 120.

But I noticed that if I bring the crossover knob all the way to 200 on the sub I hear some bass from people talking and it becomes muddy so I back that down to maybe half way...can't see exactly where cause the paint is missing and it is better.

So initial tests seem...at least with my 3 way speakers that have 10" woofers in them and a decent size midrange....to not have the sub reproduce the 200 frequency. It does seem like the 80-120 is right on target.

Finally, I have a big room.....25x13 with cathedral ceiling but the tv, sofa is in a 3 wall boundry that is about 15x13 with the ceiling. I put the sub in the far corner like 15 feet away from my seating position same side as the tv/fronts. Sounds good.

If I move it right next to the tv....do you think it would be more prominent there? I will try it anyway of course but curious where you might put it in this size room. It does seem to have plenty of volume so not worried about needing 2 subs.

I have the same issue. I usually have to bump my pa120's on my receiver up about 8db-10db to get decent bass out of music. I have no idea why. For movies and TV I am set at -10db which is really good. That is what auddyssy set it at and I have used an SPL meter to verify it is set to 75 db. But I have read that some people that own this sub have to back it off with music, which made me wonder why I have to bump it up so much.
post #1858 of 2105
i think my pa-120 is a little to boomy. i have the volume set at 3 on the subwoofer. i live in an apartment with a lot of windows. anyone have any idea?
post #1859 of 2105
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Originally Posted by HDgeneration View Post

i think my pa-120 is a little to boomy. i have the volume set at 3 on the subwoofer. i live in an apartment with a lot of windows. anyone have any idea?

If it's in a corner try moving it out of there. Have you done the sub crawl method?
post #1860 of 2105
Been following this post for a while, but definitely have not been able to keep up with all of it. Just like some of the other posters, I am looking for a sub that will give me the most bang for the buck.

Assuming my price range for a sub is less than $500, is the consensus still that the PA-120 gives you the most bang for the buck? If there are better options that are still below $500, what are they?

I'm a bit concerned about the way it performs quite fdiffernetly with music as opposed to movies.
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