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post #1951 of 2112
I got the new amp, and presto-chango, everything works great. Thanks, all. Oh, by the way, can I run 2 of these subs with Onkyo 805? If so, what's the best way hook them up?
post #1952 of 2112
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Originally Posted by bloodta View Post

I got the new amp, and presto-chango, everything works great. Thanks, all. Oh, by the way, can I run 2 of these subs with Onkyo 805? If so, what's the best way hook them up?

Hi bloodta, glad you got it up and booming again .

Just get a Y-splitter for two sub setup.

Thanks for the update.
post #1953 of 2112
Thanks again. Could I go from the output on the sub to another sub's input? Or would I need to go the y-splitter route?
post #1954 of 2112
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Thanks again. Could I go from the output on the sub to another sub's input? Or would I need to go the y-splitter route?

If the sub has an output, then yes. Otherwise you can split from your receivers sub out and go to each sub separately.
post #1955 of 2112
Cool deal, thanks.
post #1956 of 2112
well I do have mine split at the rcvr..... since they areon either side of the tvit made more since instead of buying a longer cord for daisy chaining
post #1957 of 2112
This may or may not be the place to ask this but I have a Denon AV-989 receiver powering a 7.1 system made up of 4-Energy C-100s,2-Energy C-300s,1-Energy C-C100 and a PA-120 sub, I was considering getting a 2nd PA-120 and not sure if 1) It was worth it to add a second sub and 2) If my Denon receiver would be able to power it properly?? I dont know much at all about seperate amps and where to even start or if I even need to add one just for the 2nd sub. Any help I appreciate.
post #1958 of 2112
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

This may or may not be the place to ask this but I have a Denon AV-989 receiver powering a 7.1 system made up of 4-Energy C-100s,2-Energy C-300s,1-Energy C-C100 and a PA-120 sub, I was considering getting a 2nd PA-120 and not sure if 1) It was worth it to add a second sub and 2) If my Denon receiver would be able to power it properly?? I dont know much at all about seperate amps and where to even start or if I even need to add one just for the 2nd sub. Any help I appreciate.

The receiver doesn't power the sub. The sub has it's own amp.

I recommend just buying a different sub if you want to upgrade. A 2nd sub isn't going to make it hit deeper frequencies or tighten the bass up. It just eliminates a lot of mulls in the room.
post #1959 of 2112
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

The receiver doesn't power the sub. The sub has it's own amp.

I recommend just buying a different sub if you want to upgrade. A 2nd sub isn't going to make it hit deeper frequencies or tighten the bass up. It just eliminates a lot of mulls in the room.

Lol its been a LOOONG week I knew this . So will I get better base with 2 subs? I am not looking for more base but fuller base. Base that I can hear/feel all over the room so I was thinking maybe one in the front and one in the rear would be the asnswer.......
post #1960 of 2112
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1) It was worth it to add a second sub

Adding a 2nd sub can get you more more spl when placed next or on top of each other or help level out the room response over a larger area of the room when both are placed in optimal positions. If you're not stressing the one you have at your listening position and levels I'd recommend doing the ladder.

You can also download REW which is free from hometheatershack and then get a spl meter from radio shack and be able to measure what you have as far as frequency response. Moving the sub around and measuring with REW will give you a good starting point at minimal cost before investing in a new sub.

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2) If my Denon receiver would be able to power it properly?? I dont know much at all about seperate amps and where to even start or if I even need to add one just for the 2nd sub. Any help I appreciate.

You're receiver doesn't power the sub. The subwoofer has it's own amp all the receiver does is pass the unamped signal to the sub so you'll be fine adding 2 or 3 or 4 for that matter.

Adding a second one isnt' gong to give any deeper extension or change the characteristics so if you're happy with the current sub and just want to get more from it or help with room response issues then yes adding a 2nd PA120 is the way to go. Two subs are always recommended for those purposes providing you're happy with the one you have as you'll want to keep them both the same. If you're not happy with it you may want to consider selling the one you have and upgrading.
post #1961 of 2112
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

Lol its been a LOOONG week I knew this . So will I get better base with 2 subs? I am not looking for more base but fuller base. Base that I can hear/feel all over the room so I was thinking maybe one in the front and one in the rear would be the asnswer.......

One of the differences between my pa120, and my svs pb12 is the depth of bass. It puts out that real deep bass that you can feel in your chest. My pa120 doesn't really do that. Getting a sub that goes lower may help. I hear a lot of good things from the ED subs.
post #1962 of 2112
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One of the differences between my pa120, and my svs pb12 is the depth of bass. It puts out that real deep bass that you can feel in your chest. My pa120 doesn't really do that. Getting a sub that goes lower may help. I hear a lot of good things from the ED subs.

I know very little about subs and such and could use some simple direction. I need to have something that will blend well with my energy speakers thats how I ended up with the PA-120. I am sure open for suggestions, if not here feel free to pm me.
post #1963 of 2112
Any good sub will blend well with your speakers. I happen to have the same speakers as you in my secondary listening area. It really all comes down to how good of a sub you want, and how much you're willing to spend.
post #1964 of 2112
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Any good sub will blend well with your speakers. I happen to have the same speakers as you in my secondary listening area. It really all comes down to how good of a sub you want, and how much you're willing to spend.

Any suggestions or direction? I dont want to have a sub thats so much that all you hear is bass over everything else. I use this setup for 95% movies & gaming and 5% music. As for price I dont want to go insane, and prefer to stay near the price of the pa-120 (obviously a little more)
post #1965 of 2112
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

Any suggestions or direction? I dont want to have a sub thats so much that all you hear is bass over everything else. I use this setup for 95% movies & gaming and 5% music. As for price I dont want to go insane, and prefer to stay near the price of the pa-120 (obviously a little more)

My SVS is set to 40% on gain, and -14 on the receiver. I have a lot of headroom. Audyssey in my receiver doesn't let the bass get out of hand to where you can't hear anything else. It makes it all blend perfectly, and still gives me the deep impact for movies.

The next step up from the pa120 is one of the ED subs which has a big following in this forum. The next step up from there would probably be an SVS PB12-NSD which is what I use in my main area.

I think the ED is about $350-400, and the SVS is about $550. You can recoup some of that by selling your pa120. I think you'll be blown away with the upgrade. I was shocked at how awesome my SVS was when I first fired it up.
post #1966 of 2112
im sorry but i have to butt in....
as an owner of dual PA120's,, i most definately noticed an increase in low end extension... and a huge increase in headroom aswell as spl...

having dual subs not only smooth out bass response but its an additional sub displacing air.. so u will have an increase in spl including in the low end...

i have no problems with mine.. and i have used several different test cd's....

this ofcourse my experience with using both single sub and duals...

SO IN MY OPINION I WILL SAY THAT YES IT IS WORTH GETTING ANOTHER PA120....
post #1967 of 2112
Adding another sub will not increase extension at all. It won't make it go down to 15Hz no matter how many subs you add. It will also not increase the quality of the bass. It does increase SPL though. It also decreases the mulls in the room.
post #1968 of 2112
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

Adding another sub will not increase extension at all. It won't make it go down to 15Hz no matter how many subs you add. It will also not increase the quality of the bass. It does increase SPL though. It also decreases the mulls in the room.

+1. And it does decrease the mulls, I mean nulls
post #1969 of 2112
Lol... I'm typing on an iPad. Sometimes it just makes up words while I type. Stupid auto correct feature.
post #1970 of 2112
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Lol... I'm typing on an iPad. Sometimes it just makes up words while I type. Stupid auto correct feature.

I'm just messing with you early in the morning
post #1971 of 2112
well for me and my understanding... if spl goes up.. then it goes up across the freq range of that sub.. maybe my wording is wrong....

i noticed a greater sense of 18hz (superman song from the 2001 IASCA SOUND QUALITY disc) played with the dualies than when i played it as a single....

does sound quality get better... no but the ability of the sub playing at a more relaxed level prevents it from farting and burping and over extension...

plain and simple.. i noticed a difference with duals than with single.. it was a difference that put a smile on my face and has since i got the second one...
post #1972 of 2112
The -3db point of 24Hz won't change. I think ED makes a sub for $350 that has a -3db point of 18Hz which is a good option if someone is looking at upgrading versus buying a 2nd sub.
post #1973 of 2112
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The -3db point of 24Hz won't change. I think ED makes a sub for $350 that has a -3db point of 18Hz which is a good option if someone is looking at upgrading versus buying a 2nd sub.

good point and true... -3db at 24hz isnt that bad for what it cost...

but even after demoing the HSU line of subs at the HSU office i still chose the PA120's and would do it again...
not unless i won the lottery and just had money to burn ,,, cost would not be an object at that point... but to me the sacrfice for that 1/2 octave (if that) and the gain of smoother response throughout the room was and is worth it...
post #1974 of 2112
-3db at 24Hz is great for the cost of the sub. However it's not great for the cost of two subs.

I love my PA120, but it's not even in the same league as my SVS PB12. Tightness of bass, extension, quality, depth, raw output, etc. It's not even close. It cost slightly more than two PA120s.

The pa120 is definitely one of the best in the $200 range. However, its not the best in the $300 range. Every step up gives significant improvement with subs.

For most people with normal size living areas and seating, your money is best spent on one sub.
post #1975 of 2112
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

-3db at 24Hz is great for the cost of the sub. However it's not great for the cost of two subs.

I love my PA120, but it's not even in the same league as my SVS PB12. Tightness of bass, extension, quality, depth, raw output, etc. It's not even close. It cost slightly more than two PA120s.

The pa120 is definitely one of the best in the $200 range. However, its not the best in the $300 range. Every step up gives significant improvement with subs.

For most people with normal size living areas and seating, your money is best spent on one sub.

Where is the best place (best price) to get the SVS PB12
post #1976 of 2112
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Where is the best place (best price) to get the SVS PB12

There is only one place, which is straight from the manufacturer. I got mine on sale, but I'm not sure how often they go on sale. Make sure you have room too.. It's probably the size of two pa120s put together. I just went on their site, and they have a PB12 NSD in B stock on sale for $529.

www.svsound.com
post #1977 of 2112
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

There is only one place, which is straight from the manufacturer. I got mine on sale, but I'm not sure how often they go on sale. Make sure you have room too.. It's probably the size of two pa120s put together. I just went on their site, and they have a PB12 NSD in B stock on sale for $529.

www.svsound.com

How much better of a sub is this than the pa-120? (Sorry to ask but I am lacking in the subwoofer knowledge category) Is it worth the cost to upgrade? What is the value of the pa-120 on the resale market? (its less than a year old and barely used, cosmetically perfect as well)I'm asking for a friend
post #1978 of 2112
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

How much better of a sub is this than the pa-120? (Sorry to ask but I am lacking in the subwoofer knowledge category) Is it worth the cost to upgrade? What is the value of the pa-120 on the resale market?

it probably depends on your budget,, and if you can sacrifice the extra money just to gain that extra few bits .....
post #1979 of 2112
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

How much better of a sub is this than the pa-120? (Sorry to ask but I am lacking in the subwoofer knowledge category) Is it worth the cost to upgrade? What is the value of the pa-120 on the resale market? (its less than a year old and barely used, cosmetically perfect as well)I'm asking for a friend

The SVS is in a totally different league. I think you'd be shocked at how much better it is in every facet of performance. It's deeper, tighter, more output, pretty much everything.

As for resale, I have no idea.

People on this forum will say that the SVS price range is the minimum range to get REAL bass, and it only gets better as you start getting into more expensive subs like the rhythmiks and better.
post #1980 of 2112
I've recently purchased a pa 120 to go with my jamo 5.0 tower setup and onkyo 507 receiver. I'm wondering if everything is set up correctly. I'm not sure if this is what it's supposed to sound like because I've never had a quality sub before.

The sub is in the front left corner of the room about a foot away from any wall with the speakers facing the side of a couch. I turned up the sub crossover to max and set the level to 5.

Now when I run audyssey from my onkyo 507 I can barely hear the sub test tone. It reports it as 17 feet away while it's actually around 11 feet. When I do the test tone to adjust decibles I barely hear it too. If I turn up the gain the sub I hear a rythmic whoom whoom whoom whoom and the cabinets start shaking but it still doesn't sound that "loud". Could I be deaf to low frequencies?

Audyssey also set my crossover to 100hz but my speakers are towers. I turned this back to 80 hz.

From watching a few movies the sound coming out of the sub is much "lower" than I'm used to hearing and more subtle than I expected. It sounds less like a "bass guitar" but more like a really low rumble. Also compared to the towers without the sub at the same volume level the sound seems not as loud as they used to be. Is this because the speakers are now set to "small"?

Overall I feel like there is something missing because I hear really low pounding lows that aren't that loud and higher sounds like the towers aren't being used to their full extent.

Has anyone had a similar experience? Will breaking in the sub help? Is it the positon/direction of my sub?

Thanks in advance
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