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post #2011 of 2112
hey guys, just wanted to drop in...I got this sub maybe a year ago, I just wanted to tell you it is still KICKING! I also wanted to agree with some posts about not worrying about audessy so much, it is what YOU want to hear. I had to drastically change setting in order for this sub to come alive. But, I am experienced in experimentation and not afraid to set things up my self. DONT BE SCARED TO DO WHAT YOU THINK SOUNDS AND FEELS RIGHT! Ok, done with the rant. I seriously love this sub, I just ordered a denon 1910 and hope to get even better SQ than my old Denon 588 (lowest denon when itw as made lol)
post #2012 of 2112
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Originally Posted by MaliciousMushrm View Post

hey guys, just wanted to drop in...I got this sub maybe a year ago, I just wanted to tell you it is still KICKING! I also wanted to agree with some posts about not worrying about audessy so much, it is what YOU want to hear. I had to drastically change setting in order for this sub to come alive. But, I am experienced in experimentation and not afraid to set things up my self. DONT BE SCARED TO DO WHAT YOU THINK SOUNDS AND FEELS RIGHT! Ok, done with the rant. I seriously love this sub, I just ordered a denon 1910 and hope to get even better SQ than my old Denon 588 (lowest denon when itw as made lol)

Congrats on the new receiver....you'll really appreciate what MultEQ does with your sub! I really liked my PA-120.
post #2013 of 2112
I really have liked mine as well but after a year I HAD to upgrade to an SVS....I will keep the PA and use it in the living room.
post #2014 of 2112
I've had this sub for over a year and its matched with my KEF iq7, iq6, and iq8ds, and Onkyo 607. I'm noticing it sounds boomy and not right even after changing the settings. Would adding a second one to take advantage of the 7.2 that my receiver has, or would i be better off staying with one sub, and just buy a better one?
post #2015 of 2112
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Originally Posted by natewhite View Post

I've had this sub for over a year and its matched with my KEF iq7, iq6, and iq8ds, and Onkyo 607. I'm noticing it sounds boomy and not right even after changing the settings. Would adding a second one to take advantage of the 7.2 that my receiver has, or would i be better off staying with one sub, and just buy a better one?

I played around with mine...added poly-fil and plugged the port, then moved it to get it out of 40Hz room spike and ran it pretty hot. It was sounding much better but in the end I wanted more. The decision turned out to be a better sub...so I built a sealed DIY. The PA-120 was great for my first "real" sub and was very enjoyable within it's limits. The new one is a much better performer.... smooth and fast with a flat ( not 3dB down) in-room response to 20Hz. Absolute night and day difference between the two and probably the single best performnce change I've made yet to my whole system.
post #2016 of 2112
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Originally Posted by natewhite View Post

I've had this sub for over a year and its matched with my KEF iq7, iq6, and iq8ds, and Onkyo 607. I'm noticing it sounds boomy and not right even after changing the settings. Would adding a second one to take advantage of the 7.2 that my receiver has, or would i be better off staying with one sub, and just buy a better one?

I use a subdude under mine and it helps ALOT with the "boominess" I would try that if you like the PA. I asked the same question (should I add a 2nd PA...) and the responses I got were all the same.......Upgrade to a better sub. The next price point up from the PA ($200) are much better subs out there at the next price level. Check out this thread it helps ALOT.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1246684
post #2017 of 2112
Hi all - my infinity TSS 1100 sub died and I am considering replacing it with the pa-120. Does anyone know how they would compare ( only numbers I have were that the infinity was 250w rms )

Thanks in advance
post #2018 of 2112
Can anyone help? My sub is located in the front of my living room right next to my TV stand. behind the tv stand is a window no walls. I tested my sub with some music and i went around my small living room and i noticed i felt more bass on the back of the TV stand, then i moved 10 feet to my sitting area in front of my TV stand and i felt less of the bass sound. Maybe i need to purchase a longer cable to test my sub in a different area of the living room.
post #2019 of 2112
For anyone looking to buy this sub, acousticsounddesign.com has a coupon code "TV18" which takes 18% off bringing the total down to $187.78 shipped. I couldn't find it cheaper anywhere...even doing the make an offer Mike only comes back with 219 shipped.
post #2020 of 2112
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Originally Posted by kmike View Post

I played around with mine...added poly-fil and plugged the port, then moved it to get it out of 40Hz room spike and ran it pretty hot. It was sounding much better but in the end I wanted more. The decision turned out to be a better sub...so I built a sealed DIY. The PA-120 was great for my first "real" sub and was very enjoyable within it's limits. The new one is a much better performer.... smooth and fast with a flat ( not 3dB down) in-room response to 20Hz. Absolute night and day difference between the two and probably the single best performnce change I've made yet to my whole system.

Just curious where you got the DIY sub from. Was it a kit? How easy was it to put together (degree of difficulty, any problems, and # of hours it took you to have it up and running)? If you have a link to the seller that would be helpful. Appreciate the help. Thanks.
post #2021 of 2112
What "test tones" are you all using to fine tune placement of your subs? Is there something you downloaded and played back on the DVD player or Audio CD player? I have some bassey music but it's not consistent enough to judge IMO. Any links or PM'd attatchments appreciated!
post #2022 of 2112
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Originally Posted by IPT View Post

What "test tones" are you all using to fine tune placement of your subs? Is there something you downloaded and played back on the DVD player or Audio CD player? I have some bassey music but it's not consistent enough to judge IMO. Any links or PM'd attatchments appreciated!

There is an iso of a DVD in the DIY Speaker and Sub section.
post #2023 of 2112
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Originally Posted by string_bean View Post

Just curious where you got the DIY sub from. Was it a kit? How easy was it to put together (degree of difficulty, any problems, and # of hours it took you to have it up and running)? If you have a link to the seller that would be helpful. Appreciate the help. Thanks.

The sub was built from 3/4" MDF panels and was based on design #1 in the folowing link but dimensions changed slightly to become 2.2 cu. ft. internal volume:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php...1630.msg462168

The driver is a Shiva-X, the previous version of this one:
http://www.diycable.com/main/product...roducts_id=693

The amplifier is an O-Audio 500W with notch-type PEQ:
http://www.oaudio.com/500W_SUBAMP.html

The in-room response I get looks very similar to that shown in the graph in the first link. It's a great sub for movies yet very tight and fast with music too. Total build time for the first enclosure was @6 hours. I'm now working on another one that will look like a PA-120 but slightly larger and will have the piano gloss top.
post #2024 of 2112
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Originally Posted by IPT View Post

What "test tones" are you all using to fine tune placement of your subs? Is there something you downloaded and played back on the DVD player or Audio CD player? I have some bassey music but it's not consistent enough to judge IMO. Any links or PM'd attatchments appreciated!

I have an Avia II disk and I also burned a DVD from the "DIY Audio Test DVD" sticky thread in the DIY forum:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742969

You'll need an SPL meter too...Radio Shack is fine, and don't forget to use the correction tables from this forum's sticky to correct your readings:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=505236&page=7
post #2025 of 2112
I have been with this sub for more than a year now and have been relatively happy with it. It was working perfectly, but recently upgraded to a VTF3 MK3 and it's way better. I was also considering whether I should get another one or not but decided to go this route instead. I gave the PA-120 to my friend because, well, he deserves it... great guy. His wife isn't too thrilled, though. LOL. But I must say that I learned a LOT with this sub and it's been a pleasure to own with virtually no problems at all. It is impossible to get something better for this low of an amount.

Edit: corrected a pricing mistake on the PA-120.
post #2026 of 2112
Overstock is selling the PA-10, not the PA-120, for the price you mentioned.
post #2027 of 2112
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Originally Posted by samsurd2 View Post

Overstock is selling the PA-10, not the PA-120, for the price you mentioned.

Drat! Sorry about that. Corrected.
post #2028 of 2112
Hi, can anyone confirm whether the sub makes the faintest buzzing noise only if you put your head right up to it? It's plugged into the same surge protector as everything else (TV, receiver, PS3, 360). I read a previous post regarding interference and it's something I can look into tonight, however I've had this sub almost a month and never noticed it.

On a related note (the reason why I've been inspecting the sub so closely), the landlord unfortunately decided to replace the whole upstairs with wood floors (previously carpet) and the sound of the sub's changed for the worse. It's a much less substantial, more hollow/airy-sound. The floors are pretty solid and don't really rattle, however would a subdude be able to bring back the sound? Settings haven't changed from before- Volume 3-4 (= 0db after Audyssey), phase 0, crossover max, LFE 120, all other speakers small at 80hz.
post #2029 of 2112
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Originally Posted by anteis24 View Post

Hi, can anyone confirm whether the sub makes the faintest buzzing noise only if you put your head right up to it? It's plugged into the same surge protector as everything else (TV, receiver, PS3, 360). I read a previous post regarding interference and it's something I can look into tonight, however I've had this sub almost a month and never noticed it.

On a related note (the reason why I've been inspecting the sub so closely), the landlord unfortunately decided to replace the whole upstairs with wood floors (previously carpet) and the sound of the sub's changed for the worse. It's a much less substantial, more hollow/airy-sound. The floors are pretty solid and don't really rattle, however would a subdude be able to bring back the sound? Settings haven't changed from before- Volume 3-4 (= 0db after Audyssey), phase 0, crossover max, LFE 120, all other speakers small at 80hz.

In the time that I've owned my PA-120, I've never heard any humming sound at all. It was completely quiet except when kicking my chest in music and movie LFE tracks. I've always had it on a subdude. I have wood floors. I would put a rug down on the floor in the middle of the room as well. The subdude should be a no-brainer. If you get it at a local store, you might be able to return it in case it doesn't work. Another thing is that I've always kept the sub at 80Hz so that everything over 80Hz went to the speakers.
post #2030 of 2112
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Originally Posted by donsantos View Post

Glad you are happy. I tweaked with my sub and receiver for two weeks before I was happy with it. At one point I was even convinced I had a defective sub. I was happy with my jamo s406 5.0 set (other than it was missing a sub) right when I got it. But after breakin and tweaking I don't think I would enjoy movies as much without the pa 120.

Does your Onkyo set cross-over for each speaker of just one general cross-over

The S406 floorstanders cause at a cross-over of 70hz you are creating a frequency gap of 30hz if not slightly more as the center goes down to 100hz on that Jamo set and the surrounds only go down to 120hz
post #2031 of 2112
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Originally Posted by LinusPW View Post

Hi all - my infinity TSS 1100 sub died and I am considering replacing it with the pa-120. Does anyone know how they would compare ( only numbers I have were that the infinity was 250w rms )a

Thanks in advance


I am in the same situation as I purchased the Infinity TSS 1100 system about six years ago and had the sub in for service three times under warranty and it died about six months ago. Now it is out of warranty and at this point I don't want to go out of pocket to repair it. Although when it was working I found it to be a pretty decent sub I want to buy something that is a notch or two above. My thinking is that PA-120 is probably along the same lines as the Infinity as far as perforamance. Any comments would be welcome.
post #2032 of 2112
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

One of the differences between my pa120, and my svs pb12 is the depth of bass. It puts out that real deep bass that you can feel in your chest. My pa120 doesn't really do that. Getting a sub that goes lower may help. I hear a lot of good things from the ED subs.

You must not have placed your PA 120 in the best location then. Because when I listen to U-571, WOTW, Hell Boy II, Star Trek 2009 (when the ships warp out of space dock) and others having loud ultra low bass tracks (all on Blu-ray and lossless audio), the impact on my chest is with such a wallop that it's a bit scary at times. I sit 13 feet away from my sub too. Audessey did the auto EQ. I did the sub crawl to locate the best spot to put the PA 120. The PA 120 literally does have breathtaking performance in the ultra low bass. If the svs pb 12 hit me harder than that, I'd be reluctant to buy one for fear that once it knocked me down, I might not be able to get back up! I couldn't imagine wanting more bass than what the PA 120 puts out. I have no doubt that the pb12 puts out more. But I don't think I need it. My friends love coming over to watch movies because they love getting kicked in the chest by the powerful low bass.
post #2033 of 2112
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Originally Posted by Star Hawk View Post

You must not have placed your PA 120 in the best location then. Because when I listen to U-571, WOTW, Hell Boy II, Star Trek 2009 (when the ships warp out of space dock) and others having loud ultra low bass tracks (all on Blu-ray and lossless audio), the impact on my chest is with such a wallop that it's a bit scary at times. I sit 13 feet away from my sub too. Audessey did the auto EQ. I did the sub crawl to locate the best spot to put the PA 120. The PA 120 literally does have breathtaking performance in the ultra low bass. If the svs pb 12 hit me harder than that, I'd be reluctant to buy one for fear that once it knocked me down, I might not be able to get back up! I couldn't imagine wanting more bass than what the PA 120 puts out. I have no doubt that the pb12 puts out more. But I don't think I need it. My friends love coming over to watch movies because they love getting kicked in the chest by the powerful low bass.

I completely agree that in terms of output, the PA-120 is awesome once it's dialed in with the correct placement and the correct tuning. It would give me
huge hits in the chest and I loved listening to it. What it doesn't do is to get ultra-low. When I say ultra low, I'm talking about levels under 25Hz. The question is... do you really need to get that low to enjoy a movie. Maybe not. There are certain scenes with my VTF-3.3 that I can't even hear a bass scene, but I only feel the couch vibrating.

When it comes to music, however, I think that the PA-120 falls short. the bass does feel a bit muddy and not precise. I never noticed it until I got a sub that does it better. But that being said, the time I've owned the PA, I never thought... "Man, this sub lacks." I really enjoyed it and was even more happy that I got to enjoy it at such a low price.
post #2034 of 2112
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Originally Posted by Star Hawk View Post

You must not have placed your PA 120 in the best location then. Because when I listen to U-571, WOTW, Hell Boy II, Star Trek 2009 (when the ships warp out of space dock) and others having loud ultra low bass tracks (all on Blu-ray and lossless audio), the impact on my chest is with such a wallop that it's a bit scary at times. I sit 13 feet away from my sub too. Audessey did the auto EQ. I did the sub crawl to locate the best spot to put the PA 120. The PA 120 literally does have breathtaking performance in the ultra low bass. If the svs pb 12 hit me harder than that, I'd be reluctant to buy one for fear that once it knocked me down, I might not be able to get back up! I couldn't imagine wanting more bass than what the PA 120 puts out. I have no doubt that the pb12 puts out more. But I don't think I need it. My friends love coming over to watch movies because they love getting kicked in the chest by the powerful low bass.

I did do the sub crawl, and ran audyssey multi eq and level matched with an spl meter.

Don't get me wrong, the sub is a great sub for $200. It's not in the same league as an SVS or similarly or higher priced subs, and rightfully so since my SVS cost almost 3 times the amount as my pa120.

The PA-120 was my first "real" sub purchase, and after getting it, I thought I would never need anything better. Then after I upgraded, I was blown away at how much better my SVS is. I'm sure the guys that own $1000+ subs are saying the same thing about my SVS.
post #2035 of 2112
anybody have any trouble with the "auto" switch not working on this sub? It used to work just fine but now i cant get the sub to turn on unless i manually turn it on to "on"
post #2036 of 2112
You guys are probably spot on about the SVS sub's performance. However, the PA 120 performs well enough for me for 1/3 the cost. Mine gets down to 23 Hz and I still feel it pounding at my chest at 20 Hz played from a dvd having a series of 1/3 octave test tones. That's really all I need to enjoy movies.

You say that the SVS sub is better for music. Listening to music for two hours is far too boring for me unless it's heard during a movie. It doesn't bother me if the PA 120 isn't musical. The music played at the end of a movie during the credits sounds good enough for my needs. I don't have nor would I even want that kind of skill to listen so critically to music to determine whether this sub or that sub is or isn't musical. I got better things to do with my time.
post #2037 of 2112
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Originally Posted by Star Hawk View Post

You guys are probably spot on about the SVS sub's performance. However, the PA 120 performs well enough for me for 1/3 the cost. Mine gets down to 23 Hz and I still feel it pounding at my chest at 20 Hz played from a dvd having a series of 1/3 octave test tones. That's really all I need to enjoy movies.

You say that the SVS sub is better for music. Listening to music for two hours is far too boring for me unless it's heard during a movie. It doesn't bother me if the PA 120 isn't musical. The music played at the end of a movie during the credits sounds good enough for my needs. I don't have nor would I even want that kind of skill to listen so critically to music to determine whether this sub or that sub is or isn't musical. I got better things to do with my time.

I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, as many people are. The pa120 is a solid sub in the $200 range, and is my first choice in that price range. As in any other product though, you can always get better if you spend more, but you have to draw the line somewhere. I made the mistake of auditioning a rhythmik sub, and now I have to have one. My svs is feeling inadequate now.
post #2038 of 2112
[quote=SJTrance;19263269]In the time that I've owned my PA-120, I've never heard any humming sound at all. It was completely quiet except when kicking my chest in music and movie LFE tracks. I've always had it on a subdude. I have wood floors. I would put a rug down on the floor in the middle of the room as well. The subdude should be a no-brainer. If you get it at a local store, you might be able to return it in case it doesn't work. Another thing is that I've always kept the sub at 80Hz so that everything over 80Hz went to the speakers.[/Q


sorry was answering another question but took the wrong one . And could not get back to the original . Go figure.
post #2039 of 2112
Hey guys, I just picked up the PA-120 from a friend for $100. I thought it was a great deal and would complement my setup well as I needed that lower end for movies, gaming, etc. I've got Energy C-500's, CC100, and C-100's all off a Yamaha 663. Anyways, I brought the sub home and placed it next to my Front Right speaker about 1.5ft away from the wall. Now the problem is...my parents have the Klipsch Sub-12 or whatever it's called, the 12" Klipsch haha. Theirs seems to hit much harder and deeper than mine. I've played a few songs through optical cable (digital) and played a few games of the new Call of Duty:Black Ops but it seems like I'm yearning for more. Right now I've just got a standard little RCA cable (1 connector to 1 connector), just the skinny little cables like they used to use back in the day for dvd players, etc. I've already ordered a 12ft sub. cable from Monoprice but do you think that's the problem?

When I played a few of the songs it seems that my C-500's got deeper than before I had the sub connected. I've set the crossover to the highest point, set all my speakers to small and set the sub x-over at 80hz. I have to turn the "volume" knob to around 6-7 before I hear any real lower end come in. Is that normal? I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't fry my subs amp by turning that control up that high. When I get the cable I'll try to find the best place for my sub am I doing something wrong or is there something I need to change on my AVR besides what's already been changed?




Edit- Oh yeah, I leave it on "On" instead of "Auto"...that okay?
post #2040 of 2112
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, as many people are. The pa120 is a solid sub in the $200 range, and is my first choice in that price range. As in any other product though, you can always get better if you spend more, but you have to draw the line somewhere. I made the mistake of auditioning a rhythmik sub, and now I have to have one. My svs is feeling inadequate now.

You got that right. I am super darn happy that I bought two PA 120s. They are magnificent subs for both movies and music especially classical once they are properly placed in the room. I draw the light right there. There's no way that I'll dump these for an SVS or eD sub.
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