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post #3361 of 5470
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Was there any real logic behind that legislation .. ?? It just seems to make no sense at all ..
I don't see an emoticon so I'm guessing you're not kidding. The law was heavily pushed/lobbied by Time Warner as they didn't want any competition in an area they were already servicing. Community broadband initiatives have routinely been a much cheaper and better maintained alternative to for-profit corps like TW. The reason the law failed was because of TW, with their excuse/reasoning being that governmental projects recieved favored status with regards to right-of-way, labor costs, a whole list of garbage, anything to get the voters to question having govt involved in their broadband service. It's a prime example of how corporations have bought and paid for the govt in a state to get what they want.

Wherever you see a community that is trying to initiate a community broadband solution to the offering from the incumbent corporation and it gets shot down you'll find truck loads of corp money behind it. Put simply, they are paying to keep competition away.
post #3362 of 5470
Not sure if relevant here, but with Netflix apparently pushing their data rate on audio down to 192kbps(?) I thought this was interesting.

The PS4 is the First Product to Support the New DTS-HD Master Audio |7.1 Decoder

"DTS promises that the new decoder enables streaming audio to rival Blu-ray"
post #3363 of 5470
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Not sure if relevant here, but with Netflix apparently pushing their data rate on audio down to 192kbps(?) I thought this was interesting.

The PS4 is the First Product to Support the New DTS-HD Master Audio |7.1 Decoder

"DTS promises that the new decoder enables streaming audio to rival Blu-ray"

But streaming services would not be using Master audio. They would be using Dolby Digital plus or the DTS equivalent, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio.
post #3364 of 5470
On DTS's site they put forth something called "DTS-HD" for streaming (with HD pointedly in italics, just to make it difficult to search for biggrin.gif). I also see DTS Express. No mention of DTS-HD HR for the purpose.

CinemaNow is apparently coming out with DTS digital surround on some of their content but you have to have the right device to get it (specifically some 2013 Samsung BDP; maybe other things that I'm not seeing).
Edited by michaeltscott - 11/16/13 at 8:53pm
post #3365 of 5470
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

But streaming services would not be using Master audio. They would be using Dolby Digital plus or the DTS equivalent, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio.
That's what I thought and why I posted the link, it was something I've never heard of before. That sort of audio quality would be very nice indeed.
post #3366 of 5470
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

On DTS's site they put forth something called "DTS-HD" for streaming (with HD pointedly in italics, just to make it difficult to search for biggrin.gif). I also see DTS Express. No mention of DTS-HD HR for the purpose.

CinemaNow is apparently coming out with DTS digital surround on some of their content but you have to have the right device to get it (specifically some 2013 Samsung BDP; maybe other things that I'm not seeing).
The only thing I found was the DTS press release here, which is the same thing posted at the High Def Digest site. There is a name and contact info that was not posted at HDD.
post #3367 of 5470
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

That's what I thought and why I posted the link, it was something I've never heard of before. That sort of audio quality would be very nice indeed.

Lossless audio is part of the CFF spec. Not sure if CFF has been deployed for any UV titles. Because of the data rates of lossless audio it will probably see very little use in streaming.

Guessing: IF a UV title is made available for DOWNLOAD to the PS4 with lossless audio then the PS4 will make the lossless audio available to your audio processor.
post #3368 of 5470
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

On DTS's site they put forth something called "DTS-HD" for streaming (with HD pointedly in italics, just to make it difficult to search for biggrin.gif). I also see DTS Express. No mention of DTS-HD HR for the purpose.

CinemaNow is apparently coming out with DTS digital surround on some of their content but you have to have the right device to get it (specifically some 2013 Samsung BDP; maybe other things that I'm not seeing).
eek.gif

Let me get this straight. Are you saying that with Cinema Now, if you don't have the latest Samsung BD player, or possibly a few other select devices, you can only receive 2 channel audio?


Ian
post #3369 of 5470
Is 192k AAC or MP3?
post #3370 of 5470
I'm beginning to wonder if is having something to do with me having no problem getting a SuperHD stream on a Saturday night using Chromecast. The entire viewing of "Grabbers" on Netflix was all SuperHD with not one moment of grainy-view. It was a good film for it too because there were some good daylight shots of beaches that show what 1080p should look like. Either that or the neighbors were all off at a football game. biggrin.gif

mgkdragn, to follow up on what Keenan was saying do a search on "north carolina community fiber" and see pops up. It veers into things that apparently give AVS moderators hives.
post #3371 of 5470
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

CinemaNow is apparently coming out with DTS digital surround on some of their content but you have to have the right device to get it (specifically some 2013 Samsung BDP; maybe other things that I'm not seeing).

Let me get this straight. Are you saying that with Cinema Now, if you don't have the latest Samsung BD player, or possibly a few other select devices, you can only receive 2 channel audio?

I'm not sure, since I don't use CinemaNow. My guess is that they have titles with basic DD 5.1 sound. But you can see a slideshow here showing a CinemaNow title with available DTS-HD sound where stereo is the alternative. Perhaps on devices which don't support DTS-HD there's a basic DD surround selection instead.
post #3372 of 5470
Netflix Enhancer
Sorry to get off current topic a bit but this is pretty cool .

Google chrome store has an extension called Netflix Enhancer It pulls in IMDb and or Rotten Tomatoes ratings + links sometimes even trailer links for most of the movies. that you pause your mouse pointer over when browsing Netflix on PC .



https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/netflix-enhancer/ijanohecbcpdgnpiabdfehfjgcapepbm
Edited by tubetwister - 11/17/13 at 5:42pm
post #3373 of 5470
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Originally Posted by tubetwister View Post

Netflix Enhancer
Sorry to get off current topic a bit but this is pretty cool .

Google chrome store has an extension called Netflix Enhancer It pulls in IMDb and or Rotten Tomatoes ratings + links sometimes even trailer links for most of the movies. that you pause over when browsing Netflix on PC .

That is pretty cool cool.gif. Thanks.
post #3374 of 5470
Streams tonight have been unreliable. Many times starting in that 240p crap. Since there is no play from the begging I had to rewind to the start. BYW even SD content would drop to that fuzzy crap.

Of course Eureka and Warehouse 13 started out good and ramped up fine. Let's hope they bring back start from the beginning.
Edited by reddice - 11/17/13 at 8:14pm
post #3375 of 5470
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

That's bizarre. When my I had a router running Tomato and could look at such things, when streaming from any device I always saw ) connections to Level 3 and/or Limelight and/or Akamai servers as well as Amazon. The Amazon servers were only exchanging a trickle of information (when running PC players, where I could see per connection data rates); I don't think that they stream content from them, using them as supervisors and to serve catalog info like title poster thumbs and descriptions. After my ISP became an Open Connect partner all of the servers involved might be in Netflix domains, though sometimes there were servers in other CDNs at least until it hit the Super HD encodes.

My mistake

I now see that the Apple TV is connecting to 198.45.61.203 (I saw 198 and thought it was 192) which is Netflix Streaming Services Inc.

That makes it a little stranger - if I am getting Netflix servers from Comcast why am I only getting 1750 kbps or less?

Looks my Chromecast is also getting Netflix servers
post #3376 of 5470
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

Yes and I have had seemly connection Comcast 16 Mbps until last few days when my Apple TV suddenly stopped getting anything above 1750 kbps (and often lower). As posted my other devices are fine.

Maybe it is congestion to the servers for the Apple TV streams - but it does seem strange it never (at any time of the day) gets above 1750 kbps. I suspect something else broke (maybe in my network or outside) - but always getting Super HD until one day and then never afterwards is a little different to what others reported. More often they can still intermittently get Super HD

Having the same problem in Seattle (also via Comcast). Worked great right up until the day it stopped working great. Now it's consistently horrible. I'm able to get full resolution HD on the iPad and the TiVo Premiere, but the AppleTV tops out at about 1078 (480p resolution) and is often worse. What's odd though is that the problem only seems to affect movies for me, not TV series, which could support the CDN hypothesis. I bitched publicly on Twitter about the issue blaming Comcast because... well, because Comcast. But they've been very helpful trying to find a solution.

This problem is being widely reported, btw.
post #3377 of 5470
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Originally Posted by BlackLab View Post

Having the same problem in Seattle (also via Comcast). Worked great right up until the day it stopped working great. Now it's consistently horrible. I'm able to get full resolution HD on the iPad and the TiVo Premiere, but the AppleTV tops out at about 1078 (480p resolution) and is often worse. What's odd though is that the problem only seems to affect movies for me, not TV series, which could support the CDN hypothesis. I bitched publicly on Twitter about the issue blaming Comcast because... well, because Comcast. But they've been very helpful trying to find a solution.

This problem is being widely reported, btw.

Today at 12 noon PST the example short was starting at 5800 kbps and staying there. This is the first time (at any time of day) in the last week I have seen 5800 kbps on my Apple TV.

Now (4PM PST) it is back misbehaving struggling to get 1750 kbps. The bandwidth signatures on my router look very different. When it is working it peaks at 16 mbps (my internet speed) with regular peaks and troughs as the clip is played. When misbehaving it is much flatter averaging about 2 Mbps and with few peaks or troughs.

Yes I have also seen many people on different forums complaining about a Netflix/Apple TV issue starting about a week ago.

Good idea about twitter - when I had some issues with modem signal levels someone suggested tweeting @comcastcares . I did and they were very quick about following up and getting someone to check and fix my signal level issues. ComcastCares_Support@comcast.com is also very responsive - I may give both a try.
post #3378 of 5470
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

That makes it a little stranger - if I am getting Netflix servers from Comcast why am I only getting 1750 kbps or less?

Looks my Chromecast is also getting Netflix servers

Getting Netflix servers isn't being on Open Connect. OC partners have direct paths from Netflix's CDN into their networks and Netflix caching servers installed in them. Without those things I don't think that you're any better off with Netflix servers than with servers in the other CDNs.
post #3379 of 5470
I can't believe I am saying this but the Roku 3 now streams Netflix great with the new UI. Even the PS3 would start out horrible many times taking a few reloads. The Roku 3 may start up poorly but it ramps up much quicker than the PS3.

I have not tried my ATV but lately streaming has not been as reliable. Too bad as content looks the sharpest on the ATV.
post #3380 of 5470
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

Today at 12 noon PST the example short was starting at 5800 kbps and staying there.

My situation is similar...................During the day, my Roku 3 consistently ramps up to 5800, although it may take a few minutes at times but it gets there. Now, since this past Friday, the same still applies but in the evenings starting around 5pm. it will immediately go to 1050 and stay there for the duration. I have had the Roku for several months and it has always eventually gotten up to 5800kbps. Now only 1050. I won't be convinced that this is caused by network congestion.

Almost makes me think either Netflix is doing something or it's being throttled by Time Warner, of course neither will say so. We already know that these two don't get along very well and the customer is caught in-between.
post #3381 of 5470
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Originally Posted by jeep05 View Post

I won't be convinced that this is caused by network congestion.

Perhaps you would like to read this. The problem will only get worse as ISP adds more subs and as more subs stream video. The concept of internet access by residential subs was never designed to have a large number of folks accessing continuous data at the same time.

During your problem times pick a good site with large files and try downloading a 1 or 2 GB file and see how long it takes. Your download app should show you the data rate of the download. Speed test are mostly useless because most ISP use a "boost" system for small file sizes. This will be apparent with the download app, the first 10 to 15 MB's will download rather quickly then slow way down for the remainder of the file.
post #3382 of 5470
Definitely and interesting article Wendell but the issue i'm seeing just happened overnite. By no means do i understand the complexities of internet traffic and all of its variables, but one would think it would gradually happen over time not overnite and at a specific time. Who knows:)
post #3383 of 5470
Does not help that they turned on Super HD for everyone with no way to turn it off. I was happy with the regular 1080p HD streams and I could not really tell the difference between them except now they nearly use twice the banwidth.
post #3384 of 5470
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Does not help that they turned on Super HD for everyone with no way to turn it off. I was happy with the regular 1080p HD streams and I could not really tell the difference between them except now they nearly use twice the banwidth.

Get a player like the Roku HD, that only streams at 720p. My BD player is a 2010 model and only streams at 720. When I compare it to a 1080 Roku on the same TV, it still offers very good HD quality.


Ian
post #3385 of 5470
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Does not help that they turned on Super HD for everyone with no way to turn it off. I was happy with the regular 1080p HD streams and I could not really tell the difference between them except now they nearly use twice the banwidth.

I agree and i was content with 1080 i was getting up until this past friday when almost precisely at 5pm the Roku's bitrate would only max out at 1050 kbps. It got there quick and stayed there with no fluctuation the entire evening. Again, during the day it ramps up to 5800 kbps quickly and stays there and then at 5pm, it's bye bye to anything above 1050 kbps SD. It's like a switch gets thrown rolleyes.gif
Edited by jeep05 - 11/20/13 at 8:31am
post #3386 of 5470
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Originally Posted by jeep05 View Post

I agree and i was content with 1080 i was getting up until this past friday when almost precisely at 5pm the Roku's bitrate would only max out at 1050 kbps. It got there quick and stayed there with no fluctuation the entire evening. Again, during the day it ramps up to 5800 kbps quickly and stays there and then at 5pm, it's bye bye to anything above 1050 kbps SD. It's like a switch gets thrown rolleyes.gif

Call your ISP and complain .. tell them you're not getting what you are paying for ..
post #3387 of 5470
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Originally Posted by jeep05 View Post

one would think it would gradually happen over time not overnite and at a specific time.

The problem is you do not know the culprit, no need to complain to your ISP if it is the fault of the CDN or vice versa. That is the reason for testing by downloading a large file and noting the duration.
post #3388 of 5470
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Does not help that they turned on Super HD for everyone with no way to turn it off.

It is interesting they have not added a SHD selection to the playback settings pane.

post #3389 of 5470
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Does not help that they turned on Super HD for everyone with no way to turn it off. I was happy with the regular 1080p HD streams and I could not really tell the difference between them except now they nearly use twice the banwidth.

Get a player like the Roku HD, that only streams at 720p.

Not necessary--you can set your Roku to constrain its video output to 720p and it will never access any of the 1080p video encodes (there are a few devices which will ramp up to Super HD even though they're set to output only 720p, TiVos being among them). I did this during the summer to conserve bandwidth, using the Roku to watch most things and some other device to view things for which I really cared about 1080p.
post #3390 of 5470
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

The problem is you do not know the culprit, no need to complain to your ISP if it is the fault of the CDN or vice versa. That is the reason for testing by downloading a large file and noting the duration.

What sense would it make to not complain to the ISP .. ?? If your bandwidth drops substantially at or near the same time every day, which just happens to be the time folks start getting home from work, kids are out of school, etc ..

He's paying an ISP, he should expect the ISP to deliver what he's paying for ..

I can't believe you would advocate self diagnosis on a paid service ..

If your water pressure dropped by 50% or your electricity suddenly went to 60 volts, you'd be on the phone ..

No need .. ?? Really .. ??
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