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post #3721 of 5444
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

I don't understand with non Open Connect ISP's how different devices give different results. For me only the Roku 3 and PS3 stream Netflix reliable during peak hours.
Different encodes and different locations where they may be sourced from.
post #3722 of 5444
Oh boy, possibly more low def encodes to clog up the pipes! biggrin.gif

Netflix offers some customers $6.99 streaming plan, but only in standard definition (update)
post #3723 of 5444
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Oh boy, possibly more low def encodes to clog up the pipes! biggrin.gif

Netflix offers some customers $6.99 streaming plan, but only in standard definition (update)

So they can save an entire dollar each month? And for that dollar savings they can only stream to one device at a time and only have access to the SD encodes?

I wonder if they plan on raising the normal streaming rates by a couple of dollars? That would be the only thing that makes sense if they are going to offer a butchered plan like this.
post #3724 of 5444
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

So they can save an entire dollar each month? And for that dollar savings they can only stream to one device at a time and only have access to the SD encodes?

I wonder if they plan on raising the normal streaming rates by a couple of dollars? That would be the only thing that makes sense if they are going to offer a butchered plan like this.



At least with that plan they won't be using as much bandwidth. tongue.gif





Ian
post #3725 of 5444
I read someone calling it the "mobile phone plan". If you primarily view Netflix on mobile devices which are incapable of displaying HD you might as well save the buck. My original recipe Nexus 7 won't display HD Netflix, though its screen resolution is 1280x800, enough for 720p.

I think that I'd probably go ahead and pay the extra dollar just in case.
post #3726 of 5444
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

So they can save an entire dollar each month? And for that dollar savings they can only stream to one device at a time and only have access to the SD encodes?

I wonder if they plan on raising the normal streaming rates by a couple of dollars? That would be the only thing that makes sense if they are going to offer a butchered plan like this.

I think Hastings is moving slowly toward a Tier system .. he's mentioned it before .. SD plan / Regular Plan / Family Plan .. next, we'll start seeing Premium Plan .. etc ..
post #3727 of 5444
Okay, I went back and streamed a few minutes of "Alien Origins" during the day and on my PC. Definitely even at 720p (since monitor is only that) looked better than most of what I saw the night before. Also the indicator showed they had buffered almost 5 minutes of the movie. One problem people aren't thinking about is the amount of memory to buffer to on your device. I think the Chromecast has far more built-in memory than my BD player. And probably because folks had other things to do last night the entirety of "Syrup" was SuperHD except for the first 30 seconds where they were filling the buffer with HD while playing 240p. Makes sense as most movies have nothing but logos at the beginning.
post #3728 of 5444
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

Makes sense as most movies have nothing but logos at the beginning.

Which is all fine and dandy if you start watching a title from the beginning, but if you're coming back to something it kind of sucks.
post #3729 of 5444
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Which is all fine and dandy if you start watching a title from the beginning, but if you're coming back to something it kind of sucks.
And there are TV shows that will open with new content to set the stage and then go into their regular show intro before getting back to the actual show so you end up watching that opening material in sometimes awful looking low def.
post #3730 of 5444
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Which is all fine and dandy if you start watching a title from the beginning, but if you're coming back to something it kind of sucks.
Then move the title back 30 seconds. With the Android app there is a 10 second rewind so it is easy to do. BTW, Netfix has announced a $6.99 subscription if you only watch on one device at a time. Thanks for them recognizing single folks! But I would hope they recognize the switchoff between the Android app and Chromecast.
post #3731 of 5444
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

BTW, Netfix has announced a $6.99 subscription if you only watch on one device at a time. Thanks for them recognizing single folks! But I would hope they recognize the switchoff between the Android app and Chromecast.

That plan also limits you to standard def streams. keenan posted about it a few posts above, here.
post #3732 of 5444
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

That plan also limits you to standard def streams. keenan posted about it a few posts above, here.
I might as well go ahead with that plan as I haven't seen a solid HD stream in weeks
post #3733 of 5444
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Originally Posted by met_fan View Post

I might as well go ahead with that plan as I haven't seen a solid HD stream in weeks

I watched some SuperHD streams yesterday and today on my TiVos and on a Sony S5100 BD player.
post #3734 of 5444
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I watched some SuperHD streams yesterday and today on my TiVos and on a Sony S5100 BD player.
Super happy about that
post #3735 of 5444
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

That plan also limits you to standard def streams. keenan posted about it a few posts above, here.
That wasn't mentioned in the news story I read. Sounds like a boardroom skirmish where some might have argued that if you are a single user you shouldn't pay for the 2 device at a time feature.
post #3736 of 5444
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

That wasn't mentioned in the news story I read. Sounds like a boardroom skirmish where some might have argued that if you are a single user you shouldn't pay for the 2 device at a time feature.
Yeah agreed, but what is crazy is the fact that it is only SD. For one dollar less the ONLY change should have been a one device plan. There are millions of people who live alone and have HD TV's. SD should have been another plan entirely, i.e $4.99, one device and SD only. $6.99 one device and HD. $7.99 two devices and HD, etc etc. They should have had a 3 device plan, a 4 device, 5 device, 6 device and so on just like they did with their DVD rentals (5 at a time etc). I have 5 TV's (two 720p's, one CRT 4:3, and two 1080p's) to stream to and have to have two accounts to do it. Very rarely is everyone home at the same time and watching Netflix at the same time but it has happened. So I just stayed on the 4 stream plan for $11.99.

Why can't they just have adaptive plan accounts? You just tell them how many devices you plan on using and they charge accordingly? Is that to simple? lol

$4.99 = One SD Device (Max 480p)
$5.99 = One HD Device (Max 720p)
$6.99 = Two HD Devices (Max 1080p)
$7.99 = Two HD Devices (Max SuperHD) and all plans above this also get SuperHD
$9.99 = Three HD Devices
$11.99 = Four HD Devices
$13.99 = Five HD Devices
$15.99 = Six HD Devices
$17.99 = Seven HD Devices

And have the plans adaptive. Since it obviously knows how many devices are connected at any time have it charge only when devices are connected. Lets say you have a 7 device plan, but during the billing cycle only 4 devices at a time ever connected at one time. Then you charge the 4 device plan. If say the next month a total of 5 devices were ever connected at once you charge for the 5 Device plan. If half the family goes on vacation and the next month only two devices ever got used then you only charge the $7.99 for the TWO at a time plan. Is this two hard for them to implement?
post #3737 of 5444
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

That wasn't mentioned in the news story I read. Sounds like a boardroom skirmish where some might have argued that if you are a single user you shouldn't pay for the 2 device at a time feature.

Yet I'm one person and they give me the four device plan for $7.99. I have no idea if my fifteen years with Netflix factors in.
post #3738 of 5444
Anytime in the last 24 hours the best I can get out of Netflix on either a Samsung smart tv (F8500 plasma) or Roku 3 is 570kb/sec (low def and not even 480p).
This is on a Comcast 28Mb/sec connection I just tested (several different ways as well to be sure).
Absolutely ridiculous !!

Played a couple of 2 minute previews on VUDU @ 1080p HDX and it ramps to 3 bars almost immediately...
Normally, I don't even try to watch Netflix before 12:30 am.

Seriously, what can be done about this ??

Todd
Edited by todd95008 - 1/2/14 at 10:55pm
post #3739 of 5444
Netflix streaming reliability was fair this evening on TWC 15/1 but not as bad as what you guys on Comcast are getting. I got Super HD on Eureka but after 30 minutes (always around that spot) it dropped down to 480p but ramped back up within a minute. I then tried the PS3 which was always flawless since February of last year but during Fringe around 20 minutes into it dropped down to SD and took around 3 minutes to ramp back up again. Then I went and changed my video settings to Auto. I watched Chuck on the Roku 3 and it started out bad but did ramp up Super HD in about a minute and played great. Murder She Wrote after played great too.

Down right now does report a disturbance the website even is sluggish now.
Edited by reddice - 1/2/14 at 10:07pm
post #3740 of 5444
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Netflix streaming reliability was fair this evening on TWC 15/1 but not as bad as what you guys on Comcast are getting.

I don't mean to rub this in - but as others will read this I want them to get a full picture.

As you know I can reliably get 5800 kbps without problems on my lowly 16 Mbps Comcast connection....

Edit 'reddice' as I posted before even my Apple TV - in fact my Apple TV just started at 5800 kbps and is holding it - which has been normal behavior since the mid December Apple TV 'fix'. Occasionally it starts at 4300/300 but quickly ramps up.
Edited by undecided - 1/2/14 at 10:57pm
post #3741 of 5444
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Netflix streaming reliability was fair this evening on TWC 15/1 but not as bad as what you guys on Comcast are getting. I got Super HD on Eureka but after 30 minutes (always around that spot) it dropped down to 480p but ramped back up within a minute. I then tried the PS3 which was always flawless since February of last year but during Fringe around 20 minutes into it dropped down to SD and took around 3 minutes to ramp back up again. Then I went and changed my video settings to Auto. I watched Chuck on the Roku 3 and it started out bad but did ramp up Super HD in about a minute and played great. Murder She Wrote after played great too.

Down right now does report a disturbance the website even is sluggish now.

I didn't know that Murder She Wrote was back. Thanks.
post #3742 of 5444
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Netflix streaming reliability was fair this evening on TWC 15/1 but not as bad as what you guys on Comcast are getting.

I don't mean to rub this in - but as others will read this I want them to get a full picture.

As you know I can reliably get 5800 kbps without problems on my lowly 16 Mbps Comcast connection....

Edit 'reddice' as I posted before even my Apple TV - in fact my Apple TV just started at 5800 kbps and is holding it - which has been normal behavior since the mid December Apple TV 'fix'. Occasionally it starts at 4300/300 but quickly ramps up.

You still connecting to Limelight CDN for your Netflix streams? I haven't had any time to check on this yet. I have a feeling I'm on Limelight as well.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4
post #3743 of 5444
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Originally Posted by todd95008 View Post

Anytime in the last 24 hours the best I can get out of Netflix on either a Samsung smart tv (F8500 plasma) or Roku 3 is 570kb/sec (low def and not even 480p).
This is on a Comcast 28Mb/sec connection I just tested (several different ways as well to be sure).
Absolutely ridiculous !!

Played a couple of 2 minute previews on VUDU @ 1080p HDX and it ramps to 3 bars almost immediately...
Normally, I don't even try to watch Netflix before 12:30 am.

Seriously, what can be done about this ??

Todd

Who is your ISP? Sorry, but as I have posted before, Vudu does not receive anywhere the amount of traffic that Netflix attracts. The only solution at this point, is Open Connect.


Ian
post #3744 of 5444
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

Who is your ISP? Sorry, but as I have posted before, Vudu does not receive anywhere the amount of traffic that Netflix attracts. The only solution at this point, is Open Connect.


Ian
No its not as unlike you we can't just switch to a ISP that supports it unless we move. The real solution is for Netflix to wake up and increase capacity.
post #3745 of 5444
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

No its not as unlike you we can't just switch to a ISP that supports it unless we move. The real solution is for Netflix to wake up and increase capacity.

He wasn't suggesting moving, he was suggesting that us customers start demanding our ISP's to join Open Connect. If everyone was to make calls, send emails and live chats asking for Open Connect compliance things would hugely improve. Open Connect will keep prices down for streaming. However, if we complain to Netflix all they can do is throw more hardware and bandwidth at the problem and that will raise your Streaming plans prices. I would MUCH rather our ISP just become Open Connect compliant because 1, it is free to the ISP's and 2, keeps our Netflix prices low.
post #3746 of 5444
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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

You still connecting to Limelight CDN for your Netflix streams? I haven't had any time to check on this yet. I have a feeling I'm on Limelight as well.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4

Yes my Apple TV continues to connect to Limelight and get reliable Super HD on Comcast
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

The only solution at this point, is Open Connect.
Ian

It is not clear that Netflix agrees with you - otherwise why did they open up Super HD streaming to all the non Open Connect ISPs?

They lost what little leverage they had.

Open Connect may be the best solution for Netflix (maybe even for the ISPs) - but at this point it doesn't seem to be happening with the most of the larger US ISPs.

Netflix has 30M (and growing) US subs - with a large number of them on non Open Connect ISPs - if Open Connect is the only solution the decision to open up (edit) Super HD to all would seem very strange. I have to beleive they have plans to increase their capacity so most of their subs get a reasonable experience.
post #3747 of 5444
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

No its not as unlike you we can't just switch to a ISP that supports it unless we move. The real solution is for Netflix to wake up and increase capacity.

A Tier 1 provider (like Level3) .. contracts for a defined amount of video Bandwidth with your ISP .. If that bandwidth is exceeded, the ISP must pay a penalty .. thus, the ISP will throttle the video to stay under the limit ..

In order to do this, slow links are used at the Tier 1 peering points ..

As I've said before, it has nothing to do with Netflix capacity ..
post #3748 of 5444
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

Yes my Apple TV continues to connect to Limelight and get reliable Super HD on Comcast
It is not clear that Netflix agrees with you - otherwise why did they open up Super HD streaming to all the non Open Connect ISPs?

They lost what little leverage they had.

Open Connect may be the best solution for Netflix (maybe even for the ISPs) - but at this point it doesn't seem to be happening with the most of the larger US ISPs.

Netflix has 30M (and growing) US subs - with a large number of them on non Open Connect ISPs - if Open Connect is the only solution the decision to open up (edit) Super HD to all would seem very strange. I have to beleive they have plans to increase their capacity so most of their subs get a reasonable experience.

I agree they may have lost the leverage that they had, but they began to offer Super HD streams to everyone due to the pressure they received by the larger ISP's who publicly complained about holding back Super HD and 3D content to non Open Connect Netflix subscribers.http://www.multichannel.com/cable-operators/twc-netflix-withholding-content-gain-unprecedented-access-isps/141261 That being said, regardless of what you may or may not believe, the only solution for those who are having these streaming problems, at this point, is Open Connect. I don't think I can make it any clearer then that.


Ian
Edited by mailiang - 1/3/14 at 11:24am
post #3749 of 5444
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

Regardless of what you may or may not believe, the only solution for those who are having these streaming problems, at this point, is Open Connect. I don't think I can make it any clearer then that.
Ian

???

based on what facts or reasoning?

The solution for when I (and many others) were having Netflix streaming problems from Apple TV's was for Netflix to change the CDN the Apple TV was connecting to from Netflix Streaming Service to Limelight. This fixed the problem on Apple TVs for many people on non Open Connect ISPs in mid December - check out the 64 page thread in the Apple TV Discussion forums.

So to say Open Connect is the only solution for those having streaming problems seems contary to what I and many others observed.
post #3750 of 5444
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

I agree they may have lost the leverage that they had, but they began to offer Super HD streams to everyone due to the pressure they received by the larger ISP's who publicly complained about holding back Super HD and 3D content to non Open Connect Netflix subscribers.http://www.multichannel.com/cable-operators/twc-netflix-withholding-content-gain-unprecedented-access-isps/141261

Ian

It looks like you edited your post above.

So lets see - the argument is that Netflix caved because the ISPs were complaining publicly while knowing that Open Connect was the only solution to provide reliable Super HD service. I frankly have higher regard for Netflix management than that. I don't think they would put their customers experience at a lower priority than some public relations flack from ISPs - which they are more than capable of responding to........
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