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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

Back in the day VUDU did such... when they had their own dedicated devices. They also downloaded parts of the most popular titles (in the background), 

I remember. But I had no problem with it since I was on FiOS when I got my first couple of Vudu boxes in 2007. So there were no bandwidth caps on FiOS back then. Even now I would have no problem with it since the FiOS cap is still very generous at several Terabytes when compared to some of the other internet providers that have Gigabyte limits..
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

AFAIK all of the streaming service providers primarily provide 24p encodes, but a relative few device can output network VOD that way (Netflix has some older television at 30p and British TV at 25p). Of the many devices I have with Netflix players I think that only WD TV Live and my Panasonic DMP-BDT220 can output 24p for Netflix, etc.
When decoding a video on modern chipsets you just calculate the number of microseconds before you swap the frame buffer. It's not exactly rocket science and that's why you can watch a video shot at 13 frames per second on BD players and streaming players. The high voodoo of when the video is displayed on your monitor or TV is taken care of by the chipset. Also you sync to the audio not the other way around. It's easier to drop a video frame as it won't as noticeable as if you drop audio to keep up. Fortunately these days developer SDKs come with a library to take care of this but back in the day we had to sometimes "roll our own."

I was pointing out the fact that most devices with streaming VOD apps can't output those streams at their native 24p. Most devices can only output 60p, even if they're BDPs with an ability to output video from discs at 24p. This is irregardless of how easy it would be for the average device to do it. My guess is that they have to support 60p out and that support of 24p would require extra effort (particularly extra testing) and is not a particularly useful bullet item for selling products. Joe and Jill Average don't care if their streaming devices can output 24p (or even understand what that means) and aren't likely to be sensitive to pulldown judder.

My Panasonic BDP can do it (if you enable 24p output from disc), but you have to turn it on it every time you run a streaming player app. You can do it before you start playing anything and it will stay on if you play multiple titles without exiting the player. With WD TV Live, you can simply tell it to always output 24p video from any source as 24p.
post #3813 of 5446
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I was pointing out the fact that most devices with streaming VOD apps can't output those streams at their native 24p. Most devices can only output 60p, even if they're BDPs with an ability to output video from discs at 24p. This is irregardless of how easy it would be for the average device to do it. My guess is that they have to support 60p out and that support of 24p would require extra effort (particularly extra testing) and is not a particularly useful bullet item for selling products. Joe and Jill Average don't care if their streaming devices can output 24p (or even understand what that means) and aren't likely to be sensitive to pulldown judder.

My Panasonic BDP can do it (if you enable 24p output from disc), but you have to turn it on it every time you run a streaming player app. You can do it before you start playing anything and it will stay on if you play multiple titles without exiting the player. With WD TV Live, you can simply tell it to always output 24p video from any source as 24p.
That is done via inverse telecine which can be accomplished a number of ways including the timer approach I abstracted above. When I was a teenager the home town TV station had two RCA television projectors. The conversion from 24 fps of film to 30 fps of TV was accomplished by using 5 blade shutters (5 * 24 = 120) so each 1/60 of second field got a frame to work with. Most movies on DVDs and BD are 24 fps and then processed to work at 30 fps or 25 fps via different methods (PAL would sometimes just speed the 24 fps up to 25 fps). A lot of this can be accomplished via timer count downs for when to display a frame.
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Apologies to those who don't like 'per device or movie reporting' - but I still think it is useful to keep perspective and maybe inform smile.gif

Tonight 'Parker' started and held 5800 kpbs Super HD on our Apple TV with 16 Mbps Comcast connection - again the CDN was Limelight.

Got to say I am more and more impressed with the Super HD encodes we have viewed recently. Video quality was excellent - 5.1 Audio acceptable.
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Been really happy with the Super HD bump a few months ago.

I'm on Comcast 25 or 30 mbps. The only issues actually tend to happen at like 2 or 3 am when it'll drop to SD quality for a few moments. During the day it's rock solid believe it or not. I don't use it between 5pm and 10pm so I couldn't say for internet rush hours.

I can only image how good it would be with Open Connect... With the Watch ESPN app on my Roku 2 XS, it's always like a steady 10 to 12 mbps since Comcast is obviously hosting it in there network.

Vudu has always been great.... for the few times that I rent a movie from them.

But it seems I have the DD+ Denon Netflix bug: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1492916/dolby-digital-plus-and-netflix-on-various-denon-receivers/

I don't know if this might be an issue with streaming bandwidth or the DD+ encode... but it only happens with Netflix.
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It makes sense to me that Christmas day wasn't congested.  People are out of town, or they get gifts that day but don't have time to hook them up right away. That was the case with me. I just got around to hooking up my Roku, although I rec'd it before Christmas.

 

I'm disappointed in it, so far.  Mainly with the slow, laborious way to search and add/remove channels. Users should be able to do that online lickety split. The remote letters will wear off in no time. Also, some of the channels weren't working. Third, there isn't much that's good that's free, that I've found so far.

 

Roku is okay for special viewing or occasional viewing, but I don't see how it's any replacement for daily or regular tv viewing. It's such a pain to use and requires intense babysitting.

post #3817 of 5446
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Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

Been really happy with the Super HD bump a few months ago.

it seems I have the DD+ Denon Netflix bug: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1492916/dolby-digital-plus-and-netflix-on-various-denon-receivers/

I don't know if this might be an issue with streaming bandwidth or the DD+ encode... but it only happens with Netflix.

If you are using HDMI, try switching to optical if you have a streaming device (like a BD player) that has that option for your audio. It will only pass the basic DD which may resolve the plus issue.


Ian
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I have a 3 year old Sony KDL-EX55710 that does a crappy job of streaming Netflix. Buffers like crazy to the point of being unwatchable. It's hardwired to the modem. However, I also have a PS3 that is wireless, that works fine, same show. And also watch in bed sometimes on a Windows 8 laptop and don't get this. So I am blaming Sony's app.

I know, I know why not just use the PS3 if it works fine. Because I paid extra for a Smart Tv and I'd like to be able to use it when I want. Is this a dream??
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Originally Posted by Donald Bou View Post

It makes sense to me that Christmas day wasn't congested.  People are out of town, or they get gifts that day but don't have time to hook them up right away. That was the case with me. I just got around to hooking up my Roku, although I rec'd it before Christmas.

I'm disappointed in it, so far.  Mainly with the slow, laborious way to search and add/remove channels. Users should be able to do that online lickety split. The remote letters will wear off in no time. Also, some of the channels weren't working. Third, there isn't much that's good that's free, that I've found so far.

Roku is okay for special viewing or occasional viewing, but I don't see how it's any replacement for daily or regular tv viewing. It's such a pain to use and requires intense babysitting.

Ummm...this the Netflix Streaming Quality thread, nowhere in your post do you mention Netflix. If you're that depressed with your Roku (model unknown) you should return it, gift or no gift.
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Originally Posted by hally View Post

I have a 3 year old Sony KDL-EX55710 that does a crappy job of streaming Netflix. Buffers like crazy to the point of being unwatchable. It's hardwired to the modem. However, I also have a PS3 that is wireless, that works fine, same show. And also watch in bed sometimes on a Windows 8 laptop and don't get this. So I am blaming Sony's app.

I know, I know why not just use the PS3 if it works fine. Because I paid extra for a Smart Tv and I'd like to be able to use it when I want. Is this a dream??
I hear ya. I have a Sony BDP-480 and am familiar with how SDKs for players are done (I have developed for the Sony PSP). They just want you to buy a new player every two years. The same problem exists in getting OS update for Android devices. Instead I got the inexpensive Chromecast and a new "dumb" LED TV. I figured they'll do the same with the apps on the smart TVs and expect you to buy a new one of those every two years too.
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Originally Posted by Donald Bou View Post

It makes sense to me that Christmas day wasn't congested. People are out of town, or they get gifts that day but don't have time to hook them up right away. That was the case with me. I just got around to hooking up my Roku, although I rec'd it before Christmas.

I'm disappointed in it, so far. Mainly with the slow, laborious way to search and add/remove channels. Users should be able to do that online lickety split. The remote letters will wear off in no time. Also, some of the channels weren't working. Third, there isn't much that's good that's free, that I've found so far.

Roku is okay for special viewing or occasional viewing, but I don't see how it's any replacement for daily or regular tv viewing. It's such a pain to use and requires intense babysitting.

I'm assuming you didn't grow up with black and white OTA crt tv or the early 60's color sets that had maybe 25 tubes in them and drifted their settings all the time and required a lot more babysitting than a Roku
We had an 21" RCA CTC 12 in 1963 I think it had ~22 or 25 tubes in it and you never knew what the picture was going to look or what color the faces were going to be before you set the tint or when the set was going to need a tube or service.not to mention the less than optimal NSTC OTA signals and only about 5 channels available before cable /Sat became common .

Anybody remember when the OTA broadcasters were having technical difficulties and put up a test pattern until they fixed whatever the problem was?
Now I have 200+ channel Dish package ,some OTA and HTPC also PS3 and Roku , Plasma and LCD/LED sets in the house quite remarkable all in all compared to what was available even 15 yrs ago .I also use Amazon prime their HD isn't bad.

Roku isn't hard to use you can add channels on line easily then just hit the update on the Roku done. I put maybe 85 channels in mine so far it was a snap.. picture is quite good on Netflix Super HD or even their regular HD stream . I watched a movie last night on Netflix in super HD
no buffering or re setting it was fine . ofc being in SF bat area probably helps lots of internet infrastructure here .My isp server (ATT u verse ) is in
San Jose Santa Clara area so the bandwidth is pretty stable at least on that 1st hop.

I think Netlix is great deal even though they still have issues occasionally my service seems to be working well .
Roku is a great deal also it works well not expensive .

I'm watching the NFL playoffs OTA now that's usually some decent picture quality except for Fox channels NFL telecasts now that's something to complain about but that's another thread.
Edited by tubetwister - 1/5/14 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

I hear ya. I have a Sony BDP-480 and am familiar with how SDKs for players are done (I have developed for the Sony PSP). They just want you to buy a new player every two years. The same problem exists in getting OS update for Android devices. Instead I got the inexpensive Chromecast and a new "dumb" LED TV. I figured they'll do the same with the apps on the smart TVs and expect you to buy a new one of those every two years too.

That's why I still have the Roku for my new Panasonic plasma. I didn't buy it for the apps, I bought it for the picture quality.


Ian
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The streaming via Netflix is fine, dependent upon one's internet connection speed.

The disc via mail has become f**ked up. One can no longer schedule a vacation hiatus, but instead has to cancel the service, streaming or by snail mail, and then re-instate upon one's return from vacation via Internet. That is highly dependent upon what one's billing date because that is when the "new" changes take effect. So if one is too far out from billing date, what is the point of canceling the service because one is billed up to that billing date for time or days that are not useable. So the vacation hiatus that use to be user adjustable is now worthless. Or as explained by the Netflix support, the cancel is equivalent to an on/off button, but he did not say that it is dependent upon one's actual billing date. Reed Hastings has f**ked the user base of Netflix. I would have a hard time recommending Netflix to anyone because of this policy change that is a clear snafu. If it weren't for House of Cards Season Two on streaming, I would simply cancel and get along with out Netflix because the content isn't all that great (that, of course, depends upon one's preferences), whether streaming or dvd by mail. I may do that anyway, after House of Cards streams.

Amazon Prime instant video may turn out to be a bargain.
Edited by fookoo_2010 - 1/5/14 at 5:11pm
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Hey guys. Happy new year! Just checking in. It's gotten worse for me. Fios hard line into panny viera plasma using tv app. It's staying at 240 sd mostly with the peak at 384. I know it's Sunday night in primetime but this is ridiculous. Amazon has no problems at all with their app. This is unwatchable. Like a bad old cellphone video
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Add me to the list seeing low SD encodes tonight. Trying to watch "The Fog" and the resolution has been steadily at 480, with a few dips below. Let it play for over 30 minutes, and it never went above 480 SD. Went online and toggled the playback settings, closed the PS3 App, and launched again. No change. I've never had the kinds of repeated issues many post about-I'm on Comcast, and have had problems before... I know it's the end of the holiday season, but when Amazon streams 1080p without a problem, it's kind of hard to be charitable. What the heck is going on?

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Same issues here. I can't get HD during peak hours anymore.
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Add me to the list seeing low SD encodes tonight. Trying to watch "The Fog" and the resolution has been steadily at 480, with a few dips below. Let it play for over 30 minutes, and it never went above 480 SD. Went online and toggled the playback settings, closed the PS3 App, and launched again. No change. I've never had the kinds of repeated issues many post about-I'm on Comcast, and have had problems before... I know it's the end of the holiday season, but when Amazon streams 1080p without a problem, it's kind of hard to be charitable. What the heck is going on?

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Same issues here. I can't get HD during peak hours anymore.


I am having the same Issue with Netflix. My peak resolution is 480p and dips down to 384 SD. I thought for a minute it was my internet provider that was having issues. I ended up doing a web search to see what was going on and I found this article " http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/getting-hd-netflix/ ." I found it very interesting. I hope this issue gets resolved soon. mad.gif
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Ummm...this the Netflix Streaming Quality thread, nowhere in your post do you mention Netflix. If you're that depressed with your Roku (model unknown) you should return it, gift or no gift.

This is also not a forum for arrogant jerks. I was of course replying to a post that surmised that problems with the streaming were due to all those people who got new Rokus for Christmas and were all using it simultaneously around Christmas.

 

Can't return the Roku once opened and used. I have another one not opened that I could return, if it's not past the 30 days return policy.  All in all, it was possibly worth the reduced price at which I bought it....as long as I don't pay any more to use it. It really is just another add-on toy that requires babysitting and is no substitute for tv in any way. There's a lot of pausing for more retrieving, more loading. However, there are a few news channels that seem to be more or less current. The advantage to tv, of course, is that you can turn it on, and the news and movies or programs run for hours on their own, while you go about your business. I am trying out digital antennas next, to see if that will get me any worthwhile channels w/o cable.

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Originally Posted by Donald Bou View Post

This is also not a forum for arrogant jerks. I was of course replying to a post that surmised that problems with the streaming were due to all those people who got new Rokus for Christmas and were all using it simultaneously around Christmas.

Can't return the Roku once opened and used. I have another one not opened that I could return, if it's not past the 30 days return policy.  All in all, it was possibly worth the reduced price at which I bought it....as long as I don't pay any more to use it. It really is just another add-on toy that requires babysitting and is no substitute for tv in any way. There's a lot of pausing for more retrieving, more loading. However, there are a few news channels that seem to be more or less current. The advantage to tv, of course, is that you can turn it on, and the news and movies or programs run for hours on their own, while you go about your business. I am trying out digital antennas next, to see if that will get me any worthwhile channels w/o cable.



I have 3 Netflix apps on 3 different devices and I take the quality of the streams with a grain of salt. Yes the quality could be better but if I want better streaming I rent from Vudu and for serious watching and listening I buy BD's. One problem I have with Netflix is if they are going to stream 4K content they really need to do some serious upgrading because by the sound of things on this thread anyway the best they can do is an inconsistent HD stream. I would also go the HD antenna route if it wouldn't limit me to 6 channels or so.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I have 3 Netflix apps on 3 different devices and I take the quality of the streams with a grain of salt. Yes the quality could be better but if I want better streaming I rent from Vudu and for serious watching and listening I buy BD's. One problem I have with Netflix is if they are going to stream 4K content they really need to do some serious upgrading because by the sound of things on this thread anyway the best they can do is an inconsistent HD stream. I would also go the HD antenna route if it wouldn't limit me to 6 channels or so.

They can definitely do a consistent HD stream. At least for me that is the norm. But there are certainly some times that issues can occur. But at least they are usually infrequent for me.
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This is also not a forum for arrogant jerks.

On this I can agree.
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Since we are again reporting experience ... since Saturday afternoon, I have been doing a marathon rewatch of Sons of Anarchy .. rotating from my 65" set to my HT 120" screen, each on the same NF connection, both hardwired .. both on separate PS3's .. ISP is not Open Connect .. over at least a 12 hour viewing starting mid afternoon and going to at least 8:00 PM Central Time .. no glitches, no re-buffers, full 1080 feed throughout ..

I know it begins to sound like a broken record, and for any of you that have come into the thread late, and I'm not going to again go into the details, however, while it's possible NF may be selectively throttling some of you (which I doubt) , the fact of it is, the problem is more likely your ISP and it's Tier 1 provider ..
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I watched a episode of Fringe Saturday night at 10:45 PM EST on the Roku 3 with no real problems except that it started out bad. I would like for episodes to at least start out at 480p and ramp up as that 240p crap is so bad I start to feel sick looking at it and Fringe usual starts most episodes right away not with previously on. Watched another one Sunday night and when it started out at that 240p crap I restarted about 4 times before it at least started at 480p and then ramp up. Usually in the afternoons it will start out at SD or 720p HD quality though.
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I watched a episode of Fringe Saturday night at 10:45 PM EST on the Roku 3 with no real problems except that it started out bad. I would like for episodes to at least start out at 480p and ramp up as that 240p crap is so bad I start to feel sick looking at it and Fringe usual starts most episodes right away not with previously on. Watched another one Sunday night and when it started out at that 240p crap I restarted about 4 times before it at least started at 480p and then ramp up. Usually in the afternoons it will start out at SD or 720p HD quality though.

No disrespect, my friend .. but I'm fairly sure most of us on the thread know your issues pretty well .. wink.gif
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No disrespect, my friend .. but I'm fairly sure most of us on the thread know your issues pretty well .. wink.gif
None taking. Really I am glad I don't have Verizon or Comcast. The horror stories I read here and on their official forums would make me cancel my subscription. As I say for the most part it is fine. However the low def streams really need to be taken off as I don't know how anyone can even watch one minute of them as they really make me sick giving me headaches and I would rather it take a few seconds longer to buffer than to buffer right away and start out so bad.

Really you are good what irks me is that some people on here post saying that we complain to much when we perfectly have the right to complain as we don't have a chose of changing ISP's and we are paying our ISP and Netflix so we should be able to stream HD content and not get SD or low def crap PQ.
Edited by reddice - 1/6/14 at 11:50am
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Things should be better starting tonight.... 'cept that in some parts of the country school has been canceled. Tonight: "let's watch another movie on Netflix. Let's see what is popular." Of course a few shows are off hiatus on broadcast tonight. That might help.
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

Things should be better starting tonight.... 'cept that in some parts of the country school has been canceled. Tonight: "let's watch another movie on Netflix. Let's see what is popular." Of course a few shows are off hiatus on broadcast tonight. That might help.
I hope so as last night was not that bad. I did not have any SD dropouts but I only watched 3 HD programs and 2 SD programs after anyway.
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

Things should be better starting tonight.... 'cept that in some parts of the country school has been canceled. Tonight: "let's watch another movie on Netflix. Let's see what is popular." Of course a few shows are off hiatus on broadcast tonight. That might help.
Worst night yet here...quality is still poor, with the new bonus of six pauses to buffer in the first ten minutes of the show so far.
post #3839 of 5446
Met_fan what is your ISP?
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Not sure if this detail has been mentioned before, but it looks like the "4K" bitrate is going to be about 15.6 Mb/s.
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The company’s 4K content will stream with a bit rate of 15.6 Mbps. Currently, Netflix’s best-looking content streams with as much as 7 Mbps. However, devices that support 4K will use H.265 HEVC for regular HD content as well, which will actually save bandwidth for that kind of content.


Netflix bets big on 4K, may end support for 3D
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