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post #3991 of 5470
I seriously doubt my Comcast 25/5 service is just above Verizon DSL. Maybe with how it works with Netflix, but I doubt it's my internet service that can't keep up. More like NF that can't keep up.
post #3992 of 5470
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I seriously doubt my Comcast 25/5 service is just above Verizon DSL. Maybe with how it works with Netflix, but I doubt it's my internet service that can't keep up. More like NF that can't keep up.

Your mileage may vary. Comcast subs in this thread report that they nearly always get the Super HD video encodes.
post #3993 of 5470
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Your mileage may vary. Comcast subs in this thread report that they nearly always get the Super HD video encodes.

I hardly ever get Super HD with Comcast, even 1080 is hard to get. When I first started using Netflix I used to get X-High all the time, it didn't matter what time of day I'd do long weekend marathons and it looked great. Then NF did their changes and screwed everything up. 720 once in a while then gets to 1080 for a few minutes sometimes Super HD then will drop all the way down to 384 or 480 and takes a long time to ramp up again. Just horrible. Wouldn't mind if it didn't drop so low but, I can clearly see the changes while I watch a show. Hulu + doesn't seem to have a problem with being consistent. I've even tried Unblock DNS again and not much change at all. NF or Comcast? I'm thinking NF.
post #3994 of 5470
I stream Netflix and Amazon in HD from the same device. The netflix streaming is constantly shifting between HD and SD 480 to the point of distraction. I have Time Warner with 25 Mbps down. When running the Amazon Prime Video streams the image stays HD for the duration of the show and the app that shows the downstream speed remains between 17 and 23 Mbps.

Since its the same device used to stream both I can only conclude that the netflix streaming quality is inferior. When it switches down to SD not only does the image get blocky, but there's a shift in the overall color of the show which makes the transition that much more jarring.
post #3995 of 5470
I agree the lowest HD should drop is 720p. There is no reason for SD or ever low def crap.
post #3996 of 5470
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

I stream Netflix and Amazon in HD from the same device. The netflix streaming is constantly shifting between HD and SD 480 to the point of distraction. I have Time Warner with 25 Mbps down. When running the Amazon Prime Video streams the image stays HD for the duration of the show and the app that shows the downstream speed remains between 17 and 23 Mbps.

Since its the same device used to stream both I can only conclude that the netflix streaming quality is inferior. When it switches down to SD not only does the image get blocky, but there's a shift in the overall color of the show which makes the transition that much more jarring.
That is what happened with me with Fringe. I was on a scene where they showed a stereo unit and I was able to see the text clearly until it dropped down to SD, the colors became washed out and I could see banding block squares in the background. What really irks me though is that it does it around the 25 minute mark. Before that it stays at Super HD.
post #3997 of 5470
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Your mileage may vary. Comcast subs in this thread report that they nearly always get the Super HD video encodes.

I have not seen that here ??
I have Comcast 25/5 (28/6 in reality) and only get super HD after 12:30 am or so.
From 6:30 to midnite it's 480p or less (been testing every day for last 3 weeks).
post #3998 of 5470
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Originally Posted by todd95008 View Post

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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Your mileage may vary. Comcast subs in this thread report that they nearly always get the Super HD video encodes.

I have not seen that here ??
I have Comcast 25/5 (28/6 in reality) and only get super HD after 12:30 am or so.
From 6:30 to midnite it's 480p or less (been testing every day for last 3 weeks).

I mean that there are some Comcast subs who've posted to this thread that they most always get Super HD (undecided, for one).
post #3999 of 5470
This could get really bad if the FCC is unable to appeal the decision today against Net Neutrality. We need to become more activist about maintaining Net Neutrality. Can't imagine anyone on AVS Forum who could be against Net Neutrality.
post #4000 of 5470
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I mean that there are some Comcast subs who've posted to this thread that they most always get Super HD (undecided, for one).

That's correct.

As I have said before it I think it is very CDN dependant.

I know not everyone has the capability to check which CDN they are connecting to - but for those that can and are using non Open Connect ISP it would be very interesting to know what CDN you are connected to when seeing issues (or not).
post #4001 of 5470
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

This could get really bad if the FCC is unable to appeal the decision today against Net Neutrality. We need to become more activist about maintaining Net Neutrality. Can't imagine anyone on AVS Forum who could be against Net Neutrality.
Yeah, it's only going to get worse for companies like Netflix and especially when it involves carriers like Comcast who have their own content and have no reason at all to accommodate Netflix and their need for better bandwidth throughput. This is where true competition would make a difference, if Comcast won't work with Netflix, another broadband provider will, the problem is that there is no real competition in the industry.

The FCC isn't going to fix this, they've basically just been told they can't, it needs to be done through Congress, which makes the whole situation have an even darker outlook than ever.
post #4002 of 5470
Yes, its not like we really have any choice in cable providers. Sure, we can try to avoid the cable choice open to us by going satellite or dsl, but that's not really the point. Net Neutrality protects us from our 1 choice for cable company.
post #4003 of 5470
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

That's correct.

As I have said before it I think it is very CDN dependant.

I know not everyone has the capability to check which CDN they are connecting to - but for those that can and are using non Open Connect ISP it would be very interesting to know what CDN you are connected to when seeing issues (or not).
I haven't checked that yet, but I do recall doing some traceroutes in the past and where I'm at in Santa Rosa traffic from this area gets routed to the northern east bay then up to Sacramento and then finally down to where Comcast connects with the Internet backbone in San Jose. If I'm not mistaken you're in or close to the San Jose area which might explain your always excellent service.

I just tried an episode of Breaking Bad to check a reported DD+ audio bug(didn't hear it) and it took maybe 10 secs to hit SHD and stayed there. It's mid-day though, a time when I really haven't had trouble getting high rate feeds, it's always at night where the problem arises.
post #4004 of 5470
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

That's correct.

As I have said before it I think it is very CDN dependant.

I know not everyone has the capability to check which CDN they are connecting to - but for those that can and are using non Open Connect ISP it would be very interesting to know what CDN you are connected to when seeing issues (or not).

http://tools.pingdom.com/ping/
post #4005 of 5470
NF has now made Open Connect free for ISP's ..

https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect

If cost was an issue .. it's a non-issue now .. what I'm trying to figure out is why an ISP would not take advantage .. other than the obvious content issue ..

And the peering issue is outlined on the main page link above ..

"4.Either party may accept or reject peering requests as network management needs require."
post #4006 of 5470
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

I haven't checked that yet, but I do recall doing some traceroutes in the past and where I'm at in Santa Rosa traffic from this area gets routed to the northern east bay then up to Sacramento and then finally down to where Comcast connects with the Internet backbone in San Jose. If I'm not mistaken you're in or close to the San Jose area which might explain your always excellent service.

I just tried an episode of Breaking Bad to check a reported DD+ audio bug(didn't hear it) and it took maybe 10 secs to hit SHD and stayed there. It's mid-day though, a time when I really haven't had trouble getting high rate feeds, it's always at night where the problem arises.

I am up in the Santa Cruz Mountains - so its actually a miracle I even have High Speed Internet.

If I recall you have an RT-N66 running Asuswrt-Merlin firmware. You can see the CDN in the list of active connections. You can also run netstat for different local ip (I am not at home I don't recall exactly where that option is in the menu).

It would be interesting to see which CDN you are connecting when you see issues. I have my suspicions.......
post #4007 of 5470
mgkdragn - you always seem to get reliable Netlix streaming? Which CDN are you connecting to?

You need to check the actual IP address your device is streaming from.

If it is a PC michaeltscott posted instructions for doing this earlier in this thread.

If its another device - you will probably have to check in your router (if the router supports this capability).
post #4008 of 5470
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

I am up in the Santa Cruz Mountains - so its actually a miracle I even have High Speed Internet.

If I recall you have an RT-N66 running Asuswrt-Merlin firmware. You can see the CDN in the list of active connections. You can also run netstat for different local ip (I am not at home I don't recall exactly where that option is in the menu).

It would be interesting to see which CDN you are connecting when you see issues. I have my suspicions.......
Yes, RT-N66. Below is a screencap from that display, the TiVo I'm using to access streams right now is the 103 listed there, but I'm not sure how to interpret this info.
Code:
Proto NATed Address                            Destination Address                      State 
tcp   192.168.1.103:43989                      54.214.30.175:443                        CLOSE      
tcp   192.168.1.93:49449                       106.68.3.120:54450                       CLOSE      
tcp   192.168.1.103:38602                      108.175.47.218:80                        CLOSE      
tcp   192.168.1.103:46863                      184.51.102.65:80                         ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.93:49421                       85.17.196.71:80                          ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.89:48803                       74.125.239.33:443                        ESTABLISHED
tcp   219.237.196.194:80                       192.168.1.93:55580                       ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:38599                      108.175.47.218:80                        ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:53030                      184.51.102.81:80                         ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:38604                      108.175.47.218:80                        ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:48091                      54.244.126.150:443                       ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:53031                      184.51.102.81:80                         ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:38598                      108.175.47.218:80                        ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:43969                      54.214.30.175:443                        ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:37011                      184.51.102.58:80                         ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:32962                      107.22.225.75:443                        ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:46862                      184.51.102.65:80                         ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:46864                      184.51.102.65:80                         ESTABLISHED
post #4009 of 5470
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

NF has now made Open Connect free for ISP's ..

https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect

If cost was an issue .. it's a non-issue now .. what I'm trying to figure out is why an ISP would not take advantage .. other than the obvious content issue ..

And the peering issue is outlined on the main page link above ..

"4.Either party may accept or reject peering requests as network management needs require."
It's always been that way hasn't it? The issue was the cost of maintaining and servicing the equipment, at least that's what the ISPs would say is the reason.
post #4010 of 5470
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Yes, RT-N66. Below is a screencap from that display, the TiVo I'm using to access streams right now is the 103 listed there, but I'm not sure how to interpret this info.
Code:
Proto NATed Address                            Destination Address                      State 
tcp   192.168.1.103:43989                      54.214.30.175:443                        CLOSE      
tcp   192.168.1.93:49449                       106.68.3.120:54450                       CLOSE      
tcp   192.168.1.103:38602                      108.175.47.218:80                        CLOSE      
tcp   192.168.1.103:46863                      184.51.102.65:80                         ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.93:49421                       85.17.196.71:80                          ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.89:48803                       74.125.239.33:443                        ESTABLISHED
tcp   219.237.196.194:80                       192.168.1.93:55580                       ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:38599                      108.175.47.218:80                        ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:53030                      184.51.102.81:80                         ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:38604                      108.175.47.218:80                        ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:48091                      54.244.126.150:443                       ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:53031                      184.51.102.81:80                         ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:38598                      108.175.47.218:80                        ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:43969                      54.214.30.175:443                        ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:37011                      184.51.102.58:80                         ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:32962                      107.22.225.75:443                        ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:46862                      184.51.102.65:80                         ESTABLISHED
tcp   192.168.1.103:46864                      184.51.102.65:80                         ESTABLISHED

I use http://www.dslreports.com/whois

184.51.102.65 is AKAMAI

108.175.47.218 (three instances) is Netflix Streaming Services Inc

184.51.102.81 (two instances) is AKAMAI

54.244.126.150 is Amazon

54.214.30.175 is Amazon

184.51.102.58 is AKAMAI

107.22.225.75 is Amazon

184.51.102.65 is AKAMAI

Amazon is probably for DRM/traffic management

So it looks like you are streaming from both AKAMAI and Netflix Streaming Services Inc.

This is different to what I see on my Apple TV which always connects to one CDN (but consistent with what michaeltscott wrote a week or so ago when he said the last time he looked at this he saw multiple CDNs).

As previously posted my Apple TV is connecting to Limelight and is consistently getting Super HD. When I had seen issues with the Apple TV (November to mid-December) it was connecting to Netflix Streaming Services Inc.

If I understand correctly you are getting good quality for now - it would also be interesting to see who you connect to when quality is less good.
post #4011 of 5470
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

I use http://www.dslreports.com/whois

184.51.102.65 is AKAMAI

108.175.47.218 (three instances) is Netflix Streaming Services Inc

184.51.102.81 (two instances) is AKAMAI

54.244.126.150 is Amazon

54.214.30.175 is Amazon

184.51.102.58 is AKAMAI

107.22.225.75 is Amazon

184.51.102.65 is AKAMAI

Amazon is probably for DRM/traffic management

So it looks like you are streaming from both AKAMAI and Netflix Streaming Services Inc.

This is different to what I see on my Apple TV which always connects to one CDN (but consistent with what michaeltscott wrote a week or so ago when he said the last time he looked at this he saw multiple CDNs).

As previously posted my Apple TV is connecting to Limelight and is consistently getting Super HD. When I had seen issues with the Apple TV (November to mid-December) it was connecting to Netflix Streaming Services Inc.

If I understand correctly you are getting good quality for now - it would also be interesting to see who you connect to when quality is less good.
Yes, I looked some of them up myself, and yes, this is right now and I will try it again this evening. Right now I'm getting up to and staying at SHD within seconds.
post #4012 of 5470
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

This could get really bad if the FCC is unable to appeal the decision today against Net Neutrality. We need to become more activist about maintaining Net Neutrality. Can't imagine anyone on AVS Forum who could be against Net Neutrality.


That's why I posted the thread. wink.gif I hate to get into politics here, but it's going to be very hard for Net Neutrality activist to lobby a Congress that awards big business over and over again at our expense.


Ian
post #4013 of 5470
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

That's why I posted the thread. wink.gif I hate to get into politics here, but it's going to be very hard for Net Neutrality activist to lobby a Congress that awards big business over and over again at our expense.


Ian

You know, the whole debate over who's to blame for sub - par NF feeds is really still pointing to ISP's .. the ruling supports that as well ..

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-net-neutrality-ruling-20140114,0,2595948.story#axzz2qPe7kVim
post #4014 of 5470
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

That's why I posted the thread. wink.gif I hate to get into politics here, but it's going to be very hard for Net Neutrality activist to lobby a Congress that awards big business over and over again at our expense.


Ian
There are a number of issues of a political nature that are critical to those interested in home theater. This is one of them and the ban on political discussion needs to be waived for such a thread.
post #4015 of 5470
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

There are a number of issues of a political nature that are critical to those interested in home theater. This is one of them and the ban on political discussion needs to be waived for such a thread.

I'd agree with that .. but I don't know how AVS can selectively mod just that topic without opening up a can of worms .. I've always liked the ban on general Political debate since it's not really relevant to what AVS intent is ..

why not PM David Bott and/or Scott Wilkinson and see what they are thinking .. ??
post #4016 of 5470
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

It's glorious when PQ stays at 1080 consistently .. on a non-Open Connect ISP .. all weekend, whenever I cared to watch anything ..

That $7.99 is money so well spent, NF could double the price and I'd be fine with it ..

After this recent court ruling, your ISP will throttle you and introduce a "streaming package performance plus plan" for just an extra $15 a month
Edited by umeng2002 - 1/14/14 at 8:46pm
post #4017 of 5470
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Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

After this recent court ruling, your ISP will throttle you and introduce a "streaming package performance plus plan" for just an extra $15 a month

Disagree. IMO, they will charge the content providers more (Netflix, Amazon, etc.) for transporting data and in turn the content providers will increase their rates to end users.
post #4018 of 5470
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Disagree. IMO, they will charge the content providers more (Netflix, Amazon, etc.) for transporting data and in turn the content providers will increase their rates to end users.

Content owners .. i.e. TV Studios / Movie Studios .. reap a very good monetary reward from NF .. if pressure from ISP's develops (which, the last numbers I saw indicated it was costing NF about .03 cents per hour of video at 3mbps or 1.4gb .. ) .. then the option could also be to either cut back on content acquisition or pay less for content, thus not increasing cost ..

Point is, content owners like the NF income .. and an ISP even in a market where they have no competition is not going to refuse to stream NF .. yes, they want to get paid, but NF has some clout .. more than some might think ..

The current scenario with The Weather Channel and Direct TV is a good example if you take that and consider it in the context of streaming .. a CATV channel with essentially the same real content on line as on CATV .. channel wants more money from Direct TV .. Direct TV says no, we want to pay you less money .. Weather Channel says no / Direct TV says fine, no more Weather Channel ... now, that, IMO, will never happen with NF and an ISP .. ever .. why .. ?? Because the ISP cannot afford to lose NF traffic not to mention the end user rage that would happen if they cut NF off ..

This is a business where fractions of a cent make a difference ..
post #4019 of 5470
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Disagree. IMO, they will charge the content providers more (Netflix, Amazon, etc.) for transporting data and in turn the content providers will increase their rates to end users.

This was posted after my post:

Analyst: Netflix Could Face Higher ISP Fees Following Court Ruling

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SVOD leader had lobbied extensively for net neutrality, which was struck down Jan. 14 by an appeals court

Netflix could see higher fees imposed by third-party Internet service providers such as cable increase after an appeals court struck down the Federal Communication Commission’s Open Internet Order, also known as net neutrality, according to Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter

We shall see, no need to speculate.
post #4020 of 5470
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

This was posted after my post:

Analyst: Netflix Could Face Higher ISP Fees Following Court Ruling

We shall see, no need to speculate.

The article itself is speculation ..
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