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For general info, my Samsung F9000 go a firmware upgrade a couple days ago. Just discovered that it included a new version of its Netflix app (same one as on the PS3).
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

For general info, my Samsung F9000 go a firmware upgrade a couple days ago. Just discovered that it included a new version of its Netflix app (same one as on the PS3).
Can you go into your apps section and read what version it is please? Just curious if its different from the Bluray players.
post #4383 of 5446
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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

Can you go into your apps section and read what version it is please? Just curious if its different from the Bluray players.

I can't find anyplace in the apps section (or anyplace else) that gives the version. The prior version was the same one that's on my OPPO 103D, this new version is same as the new version that came on the PS3 back around November (large graphic display on top half of screen for the movie you are reading about in your selection/list, previously viewed, action, etc.). It no longer shows "Super HD" when viewing the description/info of the movie. It now only shows 1080P and 5.1 if the sound is available.
post #4384 of 5446
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

I can't find anyplace in the apps section (or anyplace else) that gives the version. The prior version was the same one that's on my OPPO 103D, this new version is same as the new version that came on the PS3 back around November (large graphic display on top half of screen for the movie you are reading about in your selection/list, previously viewed, action, etc.). It no longer shows "Super HD" when viewing the description/info of the movie. It now only shows 1080P and 5.1 if the sound is available.
Ok, maybe for Netflix you can't find app version info. I have not tried on the SmartHUB here yet so not sure about that. Yeah, we got the new Netflix UI in November on our Samsung Bluray player, I think it was firmware 1013 that gave it to us.

EDIT: I just went to the "Samsung Apps" section and highlighted the Netflix app and it instantly tells me the version number and date of update. Version 4.003 and date of 2013/10/10. Is the F9000 a Samsung TV and does it have Samsungs SmartHUB, and an App store?
Edited by SkOrPn - 1/27/14 at 6:57pm
post #4385 of 5446
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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

Ok, maybe for Netflix you can't find app version info. I have not tried on the SmartHUB here yet so not sure about that. Yeah, we got the new Netflix UI in November on our Samsung Bluray player, I think it was firmware 1013 that gave it to us.

EDIT: I just went to the "Samsung Apps" section and highlighted the Netflix app and it instantly tells me the version number and date of update. Version 4.003 and date of 2013/10/10. Is the F9000 a Samsung TV and does it have Samsungs SmartHUB, and an App store?

Yes it's a Samsung F9000. I didn't check the store. It shows the Netflix version as 3.22601. No date, just size: 233kb.
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

Yes it's a Samsung F9000. I didn't check the store. It shows the Netflix version as 3.22601. No date, just size: 233kb.
Ok, they must be writing different apps for different devices then. I thought the SmartHUB was universal across all their TV's and Bluray players. Guess not... Thanks for the info. I think the F9000 is a newer device than the F5900 which would stand to reason why your Netflix app version is lower than mine. Glad you got the new Netflix UI... Now lets hope it actually plays flawlessly for you. My F5900 is constantly telling us that videos are not available, when we can play them on other devices just fine. lol
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Down right now showed a outage all evening yet I had no problems tonight on the Roku 3. The LED lights blinked normal and everything.
post #4388 of 5446
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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

My F5900 is constantly telling us that videos are not available, when we can play them on other devices just fine. lol
Just great, after pulling the power plug from the power strip it now is playing all the Netflix videos. So, I guess this device needs constant true reboots nearly every day to work properly. mad.gif
post #4389 of 5446
After my Samsung F9000 got the new Netflix app, it started telling me that movies were not available. I "chatted" with Samsung customer rep and he had me input a DNS of 8.8.8.8 and it resolved the problem. Apparently some issue with the new app and my standard Gateway DNS.
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

After my Samsung F9000 got the new Netflix app, it started telling me that movies were not available. I "chatted" with Samsung customer rep and he had me input a DNS of 8.8.8.8 and it resolved the problem. Apparently some issue with the new app and my standard Gateway DNS.
My routers primary DNS is 8.8.8.8. It is consistently better than the isp's.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
post #4391 of 5446
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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

My routers primary DNS is 8.8.8.8. It is consistently better than the isp's.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 are Google public DNS servers
post #4392 of 5446
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Originally Posted by lincoln_husker View Post

8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 are Google public DNS servers
Yes sir, they are and have always been ever since Google introduced them many years ago. Is something wrong with using Google DNS servers instead of the ISP's provided ones?
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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

Yes sir, they are and have always been ever since Google introduced them many years ago. Is something wrong with using Google DNS servers instead of the ISP's provided ones?

nope, probably better off with them.
post #4394 of 5446
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Originally Posted by lincoln_husker View Post

nope, probably better off with them.
I think so as well. I have been testing DNS servers for many years now (ever since Comcast High Speed Internet was introduced here anyway), and I find theirs (Googles), although I admit not always fastest, seems to provide me, either due to location or hardware type, a smoother internet experience over all. However, with that said I could NOT get their IPv6 DNS server to work, nor the ISP's but during testing found that OpenDNS had 100% non failing DNS servers for IPv6. So my setup is currently Google for IPv4 and OpenDNS for IPv6. Its been at least since last summer that I spent time testing DNS so things may or may not have changed for me. YMMV wink.gif

P.S. I do not have Comcast HSI, because I now live just outside their grasp. I am forced to have CenturyLink and currently subscribed to 40/5 and the modem syncs at 50/5. Speed tests always give me 47/5, but we know how that is... However, living in a rural area with very poor and all retired neighbors, I have to think that must be why my Internet seems to work reliably most of the time. In fact, when I drive up and down our dirt road, all I can find is a few weak G signals, and when I mean few, I mean few like 1 or 2 within a several mile radius, lol. Which leads me to believe that no one has upgraded to the new VDSL2 that we have had since mid 2013. Man I hope it stays like this haha.
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I messed around with Google DNS much last year on my PS3 but I saw little difference if anything with Google DNS compared to Open DNS. I would think it was better but then I would have the same quality issues of slow ramping up to HD or dropping quality. Actually if anything Google DNS was worse as on my PS3 I would get many gray boxes instead of artwork and they would slowly load. Open DNS would load the artwork right away. This was because Google DNS according to myresolver.info would connect me all the way to California which started in the summer. Before that it would connect me to Virgina. However sometimes OpenDNS would connect me to Virgina but most of the time it would connect me locally to New York.
Edited by reddice - 1/28/14 at 1:19pm
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I do not believe the DNS server can help much where streaming is concerned. I just use Google DNS because for over all internet experience I have less problems. With the ISP there are many more sites that I just can not reach or take forever to load. I use both Namebench and DNSBench to routinely test my DNS servers. I just find Google to provide me with less errors I guess.
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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

Ok, they must be writing different apps for different devices then. I thought the SmartHUB was universal across all their TV's and Bluray players. Guess not... Thanks for the info. I think the F9000 is a newer device than the F5900 which would stand to reason why your Netflix app version is lower than mine. Glad you got the new Netflix UI... Now lets hope it actually plays flawlessly for you. My F5900 is constantly telling us that videos are not available, when we can play them on other devices just fine. lol
They have always written the apps for the different devices, there is no universal code base that will work on everything. Right now however they are working on updating everything that can be with a single unified UI for Netflix so that eventually the website and the Set top boxes and TV UI's will be the same.
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Originally Posted by SkOrPn View Post

I do not believe the DNS server can help much where streaming is concerned. I just use Google DNS because for over all internet experience I have less problems. With the ISP there are many more sites that I just can not reach or take forever to load. I use both Namebench and DNSBench to routinely test my DNS servers. I just find Google to provide me with less errors I guess.
DNS can definitely make a difference as it determines which server you are hitting for which service. Every time you type in a web address or an app accesses the web from a device like the oppo it has to translate those names to IP addresses, well written apps won't have to do that often but we know things are not always as good as they can be. In some cases using your ISP's DNS can be a boon and in others it can lead to more "issues" or slow downs.
post #4399 of 5446
Charlie Rose had a great interview with Ken Auletta on Netflix and the future of TV .. highly recommended if you want the real scoop on what's going on behind the scenes ..
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In case anybody here has not already signed there have been several petitions re: the FCC and the Net Neutrality issues of late. But this one will ensure that the White house at least responds publicly about it. I highly suggest we all sign if you want streaming to be un touched by corporate ISP interests.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/restore-net-neutrality-directing-fcc-classify-internet-providers-common-carriers/5CWS1M4P

It needs to reach 100,000 by the 15th of Feb or it gets ignored. A recent 1,000,000 petition has gotten the FCC's attention but we need to put as much effort into this as we all did about SOPA because they share many of the same possible outcomes. At least here in the states.
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Originally Posted by ttringle View Post

In case anybody here has not already signed there have been several petitions re: the FCC and the Net Neutrality issues of late. But this one will ensure that the White house at least responds publicly about it. I highly suggest we all sign if you want streaming to be un touched by corporate ISP interests.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/restore-net-neutrality-directing-fcc-classify-internet-providers-common-carriers/5CWS1M4P

It needs to reach 100,000 by the 15th of Feb or it gets ignored. A recent 1,000,000 petition has gotten the FCC's attention but we need to put as much effort into this as we all did about SOPA because they share many of the same possible outcomes. At least here in the states.
+1 signed... Thanks for sharing

Anyone know if it will be possible (in the future) for Netflix to update the Windows 8.1 Netflix App to support HEVC without the need for a video card that supports it?
post #4402 of 5446
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Originally Posted by ttringle View Post

They have always written the apps for the different devices, there is no universal code base that will work on everything. Right now however they are working on updating everything that can be with a single unified UI for Netflix so that eventually the website and the Set top boxes and TV UI's will be the same.
It looks to me that the device manufacturers write the apps and are given an SDK to do so. My Sony BD player uses the same player interface on several different apps.
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Had some problems at the end of Fringe on the Chromecast. The last 10 minutes it dropped down to SD 4 times before ramping up. It could have been interference. I the watched Chuck on the Roku 3 and it played fine in Super HD even though 30 minutes into the LEDs blinked rapidly till the end.

Anyway I have a question. I watch a bunch of SD content and I notice that SD content that it is 4:3 can look really good yet SD content 16:9 looks like crap especially when I watch something and it annoying drops down to SD if it is 16:9 but not so much when it is 4:3. Why is that?
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Originally Posted by ttringle View Post

They have always written the apps for the different devices, there is no universal code base that will work on everything. Right now however they are working on updating everything that can be with a single unified UI for Netflix so that eventually the website and the Set top boxes and TV UI's will be the same.

Over the past couple of years they've come close to achieving that goal. This...

Old Common Netflix UI (Click to show)
netflix-ps3-screen.jpg

...UI was on a large number of platforms; my Panasonic and Sony BDPs, PS3 and WD TV Live (there was a version of it on TiVo Premiere and it was briefly on TiVo Roamio). It's written in web page authoring languages and ran on a port of an HTML5/Webkit execution environment; the great majority of its code is identical on every hardware platform. It was horribly laggy on many platforms but it had the advantage of being able to be changed on all of them as easily as they update their website and know that it will work the same on most every web browser. They were able to make some quite significant modifications to the UI which appeared on multiple platforms simultaneously without any firmware update or involvement of the device manufacturer.

This...

New Common Netflix UI (Click to show)
netflix-screenshot.jpeg

...UI is what they're replacing it with. It's still written in Javascript, etc, but they dumped Webkit for a layout/rendering engine of their own design, pared down and optimized for their application, which should run better on slower, resource limited platforms.

Chromecast has a Netflix player but it's unique in that it doesn't have or need a UI. I'd guess that it's all custom code.
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Looking at old common UI brings me back bad memories of Starz Play. Nothing annoyed me when I found a movie I wanted to watch but it was Starz Play so I did not watch it. I tried to but the PQ was really bad.
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Wow. Last night was one of the worst. I couldn't get above 240p and it still buffered! mad.gif I gave up and went to Amazon Prime.
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Originally Posted by Apostate View Post

Wow. Last night was one of the worst. I couldn't get above 240p and it still buffered! mad.gif I gave up and went to Amazon Prime.

What device/ISP (and if you can check CDN).

I continue to get 5800 kbps Super HD reliably on the Apple TV all week (CDN is always Limelight) - but the Chromecast hasn't got above 1750 kbps (various CDNs including Netflix, Akamai and Limelight).

Updated my Comcast connection to 25 Mbps today from 16 Mbps - not surprisingly it hasn't made any difference on either the Apple TV or Chromecast.
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Originally Posted by Apostate View Post

Wow. Last night was one of the worst. I couldn't get above 240p and it still buffered! mad.gif I gave up and went to Amazon Prime.

I watched 2 movies back-to-back on Netflix last night between 8 pm and midnight - Stuck in Love and The English Teacher - on the Roku 3. Both played without problem. TWC 15/1 - Milwaukee area.
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Undecided good for you with the ATV. All I know is I tried it yesterday and it is still crap. Not even 3 PM EST and all I got trying to watch Justice League was SD. I reset it, disconnected it and put it back in that crappy little box. I then was watching Justice League on my Roku 3 no problem.

Also using the Roku 3 last night I had no problems watching Fringe or Chuck. I see with those some nights are good while others are annoying with SD dropouts.
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Undecided good for you with the ATV. All I know is I tried it yesterday and it is still crap. Not even 3 PM EST and all I got trying to watch Justice League was SD. I reset it, disconnected it and put it back in that crappy little box. I then was watching Justice League on my Roku 3 no problem.

Also using the Roku 3 last night I had no problems watching Fringe or Chuck. I see with those some nights are good while others are annoying with SD dropouts.

As you know from Apple forums the Apple TV issue that started in November was never a time of day issue. One day early November many Apple TV stopped getting Super HD and would never go above 1750 kbps - then mid-December the issue was fixed for many (but unfortunately not all and not you).

What I am seeing on the Chromecast recently weeks is almost identical - it has gone from a device that was always getting 5800 kbps - to never going above 1750 kbps.

On the Roku forums there are people saying that their Rokus never get Super HD - but their other devices do. Likewise on most of the other device forums

So it seems that for different ISP/locations different devices work better than others.

Why? - that's the 64k$ question.

I suspect it has something to do the available bandwidth to the CDN each device is using - but as we know others have different theories.....
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