The Dark Knight comparison *PIX* - Page 6

If I told my GF's daughter who is 12 and LOVES this movie that we could not own it due to EE....... She would disown me and rightfuly so!

"What's wrong with a rental or two?" I don't read as "Don't Buy This!!"

Sorry, that's how I read it. I said the same thing. You can always rent first. If the quality is good for you, then fine, buy away.

Dude, I am stuck watching the first 15 minutes of "Nightmare Before Christmas" in an endless loop. My 18 month old daughter loves it but loses all interest when Jack gets to Christmastown.



Oh and I would NEVER deprive my kid when she's older of something that they wanted because of my personal opinion. I forsee many years of teeny-bop records in the future.

Read the whole quote....



I dont know how you take this post any other way than strongly suggesting to "not buy this". "It is not necessary to buy the film" is saying "dont buy this". "As for all posters who seem to feel somehow comppelled to buy this" that certainly suggests to me to "not buy this". If you dont take it this way, so be it, but it is VERY obvious what his message is. Like I said this is not the only post of its kind in the countless posts in the past few days on this movie. Both sides are doing suggesting and neither is better than the other in this way which is what you guys are trying to suggest. It is going both ways. To condense this post further it could simply state "send a message to Warner and dont buy this film due to the transfer"........It is going both ways.

I hear ya. There are a few songs on Guitar Hero 3 that I have listened to SO MANY times from the 2 girls playing that I hear them in my sleep and they are part of my inner being! I also wonder if my BD30 will ever play anything other than Kung Fu Panda as that disc seems to be part of the machine!

Oh yea? got you beat.

Hanna Montanna 5000000 times a day!!

Ugh!! wanna shoot myself!

I am personally waiting to buy the

Box set of all the Batman movies to date in the:
BD
SE
NON-EE edition

Guess I'll be waiting a while.

I for one don't spend my money on films that the studios could have got right in their releases. I love Get Smart but won't buy it with a DD lossy track on a BD disk. I love Batman but won't buy a EE copy of such a high grossing film. They will be Rentals with friends who can't tell EE from chroma aberrations let alone debate OAR. Hell most people don't even know that upconverted SD is not HD.

We each have our preferences. To each their own - if you have a good system and your 90+" screen shows off all the flaws I doubt your 13 year-old daughter or son even cares when her/his facebook/myspace/girl/boyscout friends are munching away on redvines and popcorn and talking through 1/2 the movie. This don't buy it vs you must buy it is rediculous.

Rather than writing back and forth here about buy vs no buy recommendations how about writing to WB and telling them you aren't buying because of the horrid EE and how embarrasing their product is in the year 2008. Better still write the director and tell him how his vision is being ruined by poor encoding.

For some it makes a difference - then again with Transformers as an example - maybe that difference does not matter when the studio is a 1000lb gorilla looking to make a quick buck off the uneducated masses.

Ok. Gotcha.

My niece who came down from Mass. got to the Macy's parade at 7:30am so she'd have a clear view of Hannah....


EEK!

Oh man! You got me there!

Better yet at 12 years old you could purchase the UMD version and still make her very happy.

Hmmm, Blu-ray Disc and Quality time with your family... you get the Best of Both Worlds!

You and other buyers can't seem to express your opinion without condemning someone else for being a more conservative shopper and/or having higher sensitivity to EE than you. That guy wasn't telling anyone to not buy it, he only asked why someone's considered so evil for not buying/only renting it. He even said "Just my opinion."

In this picture.......




Even the grain looks edge enhanced, which will be a killer blow for me watching the movie... I HATE GRAIN!

But being as I haven't even watched the film at the cinemas yet, I have to buy 1 version, and it may as well be the Blu Ray version.

Many of us on this side of the argument have been condemned for these "issues" not bothering us as many of us are not sensitive to this while simply watching a film as one normaly does. It has gone both ways.

I dont mind someone being conservative. What puzzles me is someone passing up on a movie they truly LOVE becasue of these PQ issues that they were otherwise going to buy when this is the overall best version for home viewing. In this type of scenario, the movie should come first IMO if it is one of the individuals all time fav films. To deprive oneself of owning one of their all time favorites because it is not perfect even though it is the best version available is silly IMO. You dont agree and that is fine

What I perceived from "that guy" in his post and what you perceived are obviously 2 dif things which is OK It seemed plain as day what he was trying to get across IMO.

I can understand it if you've already seen it at the cinema.. you can remember it, and so can wait for a better release. I haven't seen it... I want to see it, I have very few options, and I never rent.

But here's the thing. I LOVE the film "Gangs of New York". I really do. But I will NOT buy the BD which IMHO looks like Ass in a Can, even if it IS the best looking version available. If I want to watch the film again in the best way available, I simply put it in my netflix queue again and it will be here in 2 days. I can wait. Everyone has different tolerances. Some people really hate EE and the overly digital look. To them it's distracting as hell.
(Now I know TDK is considered a much better transfer than Gangs but it's the principle. That someone can like, love, be a fan of the film and yet not HAVE to buy it at this time. Many of us here who do work lots of hours, have kids might get to watch one, two films a week. How many times we will actually watch a single title?

I liked it a lot - great movie.

Still I am usually so busy with other movies that I cannot even remember to ever have watched a movie more than 2 times on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. So a rental does it for me if the transfer is only so-so.

@Toe:
if I want to write DON'T BUY THIS I just do it so please stop overinterpreting me

There are enough people who are not bothered by the PQ anyway so why should they not buy it ? And if you HAVE to have your own version of TDK at home why not get the best there currently is, which is the Blu-Ray ? And what about people who want to use it as a demo ? Of course they should buy it. But if you do not want to demo it nor watch it countless times not HAVE to own it a rental is a very good option.

I wonder how much Nolan was involved with this transfer? I know a lot of people here are concerned about getting what the director wanted for this BD. Since he wanted the changing AR for this BD specifically, I think it would be safe to assume he was involved with this BD and would have approved how it turned out.

Because he would have had to oversee and approve how the IMAX portions were cropped (At least I would hope so). So, would anyone's opinion change if this transfer was what Nolan wanted you to see?

Your message seemed obvious to me Oliver but I will let it rest. My only point was both sides have been making these suggestions and it has not been one sided. I agree with everything else you said.

I understand what Alan is saying, but this statement above makes more sense to me if the alternative is passing on the movie simply because the transfer is less than stellar, or even bad. If you really like this movie, the transfer shouldn't make a damn, should it? Sure it sucks that a HUGE movie like this didn't get the treatment it deserved, but we're not talking about a crappy movie here. I'll be the first to admit that I've bought several movies more than once if there was an improvement to be had in the latest and greatest transfer, but I never passed on the movie the first time (if I liked it) simply because the transfer wasn't up to par. Then again, I'm not in charge of anyone's money but my own. I just don't understand the reasoning sometimes among video purists. I consider myself an audio purist concerning movie soundtracks, but a bad review never dissuaded me from purchasing a laserdisc, DVD, HD-DVD, or BD if I was a fan of the movie.

Or once again which is what some have been saying. You can rent it, enjoy it too. You people here all make it out that you HAVE to buy the disc to watch, enjoy it. I certainly don't purchase every disc that comes out. I'd be broke. Renting is a perfectly fine alternative.

You have some serious perception issues.

a) Has anyone who has decided not to buy clarified that it was their all-time favorite film? Not that I've seen.

b) Has anyone said they were planning on buying, but have held off for the time being? Yes. If it was only a probable buy from the beginning, EE isn't going to improve the chances. I don't see people taking it off their must-buy lists- you just can't seem to get it through your brain that some people aren't as ga-ga over it as the box office earnings would lead you to assume.

c) "You don't agree" - I don't agree? There you go assuming things... the wrong things, mind you. If it's their all-time favorite, buy it. If it's just another above-average blockbuster to someone, then they can think about if it's worth paying $25 for the repeat viewings.

I don't know about you, but I can pay 1/12 the price you pay and still enjoy 3 viewings, return it, and not have the urge to watch it again for 6-12 months. Over that period of time, used ebay prices will drop, b2g1's will be offered, etc. I don't get why we have to buy movies on the street date if we can get a hugely-comparable experience for 1/12 the price.

SSshhh, Cakefoo, all that sensible reasoning is going to scare some folks away. ;}

Best Regards
KvE

Not going to disagree - I can't for lack of ground to stand on. No one is saying you have to buy to enjoy. I've just never gotten some people's inability to enjoy a movie because the SQ or PQ isn't up to their standards. You and I both know that some people (especially here) are like that, and that's fine, just somewhat hard to understand sometimes for someone like me who just enjoys a move - no matter how many thousands I've spent on my home theater to get the ability to enjoy a good transfer to the fullest (and then get robbed of one).

Isnt there a reason why we went from DVD to BD? If PQ wasnt important to us, then we could have stayed with DVD.

Like I said, I'll be the first to admit I've bought various movies more than once for better video/audio, but I've never once passed on a movie I enjoyed just because I couldn't see a pimple on an actors face and tell that it was .00001 nanoseconds away from popping. I want the movie, plain and simple. Sure, I want the best transfer possible, but that's completely out of my control.

And YOU have some comprehension issues.......

A) I have read a fair amount of reports of people who claim this in one of their favorite movies and will not buy it due to this EE issue, not just on this forum mind you (but including this forum).

B) Probable buyers were not a part of my statement. Buyers who were 100% planning on buying this were the ones I was talking about. Buyers who are "ga-ga" over this are who I was talking about. All others do not apply.

C) AGAIN, I am only talking about people who have claimed this is one of their favorite movies and were absolutely planning on buying. For those who consider it just an above average blockbuster, I can see renting, buying, borrowing, etc.....

In response to your last comment, AGAIN just speaking of those who were planning on buying this, and consider it one of their favorite movies.

Please read exactly what I wrote before making this type of post as you failed to correctly comprehend what I was saying




Yes, and when Xylon posts the DVD pics we will see why we went from DVD to BR (atleast we should). Even though the BR is not perfect, it SHOULD be a BIG improvement overall compared to the DVD.

Well said.

Ohh, I wasn't trying implicate Xylon. I know his screenshots are spot on and perfect. I was more trying to implicate Warner/Nolan to the change.

And I can't see that the trailer was put on before principal photography had been done. The blu-ray came out a week before the movie.

At the end of the day, it is still a product and we are consumers. If you can rent the same thing, get the same exact experience, yet not spend the dough, what's the problem? Renters can still enjoy the movie, even LOVE the PQ and not buy it is what I'm saying.
People keep saying, "passed on the movie"
If I rent it, someone else buys it and we both watch it on the same night, how is that "passing on the movie"..?
We both still watched it, probably enjoyed it.

What's this big allure of HAVING to "own" everything now? Especially in this economy.
I am in this hobby to watch movies, not necessarily own/collect them. If a film is one of my true faves and they did a great job transfer-wise, I eventually will get it. When I was younger, single, I bought 600+ Dvds. 90% of them sit on my shelf now taking up space having been watched but a couple of times. Most of them are worth zilch used. So I am much more selective now.

My wife is a HUGE, HUGE Simpsons fan. We both missed the movie in theaters in 2007 due to our newborn so I bought her the IMHO overpriced BD at Virgin megastore in Manhattan on SALE last Xmas for $27.99, (Came to about $30 with tax)
We have watched it twice in the past year. Probably could have just netflixed it but it was an Xmas present and worth it for her expression when she opened it up.