EDID Override Thread - Page 7

I just made a file using the example from 'redtyler1".

I took the 1st 128 characters from the TV and the last 128 characters from the receiver's mon info.
Does that sound right?

I've attached my new file...the line looks formated correctly now I think, but not sure about the receiver only using the last 128 characters of it's moninfo.

My side question on that is...what are the first 128 characters of the receiver moninfo for? Probably a post on that somewhere I imagine.

*** Just answered my own question on what the EDID raw data translates to. For anyone interested, check out these two links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extende...ification_data
and
http://software.intel.com/en-us/arti...intel-graphics

 

EDIDOverride.txt 3.87890625k . file

I have PC (Ati 4780) - > Yamaha RX-V3900 -> Panasonic AE-3000
PC (Ati 4780) -> Mirai 20" 1400x1050

Which raw info I have to modify?

1. Mirai
2. RX-v3900

or

1. AE-3000
2. RX-V3900

And have anybody already modify .inf

I use this guide it´s good, specially in this case
"Tidying Up" and "Remove Unused Devices"
http://www.tweakguides.com/ATICAT_1.html
What I did to collect my edid was
1 mb/hdmi to tv moninfo and refresh, save info
2 disconnect tv/monitor and connect to avr and do a blind refresh, hit f5, after this connect tv/monitor and save info and create overrideedid
I belive it´s critical to do the blind refresh becourse the edid data is different
if you got a monitor connected, I fore one wish we could create a guide becaues it is not totaly clear what to do and I ám not the right guy to explain

So I am still confused... I successfully uninstalled CCC and my video drivers, and then installed the latest CCC 8.12 and everything worked fine without having to use the override inf (CCC showed connection as HDMI and audio played over hdmi). But when I rebooted I lost sound and CCC showed connection as DVI. Followed the steps to create the override INF and still nothing... what now?

These were the exact steps I followed:
1. Connected HDMI cable to the HTPC's ATI adapter and the projector, ran Moninfo and copied the first 128 characters of the raw data. Prefixed each pair with 0x and copied the entire string as 1 line to the first "0" row in the override inf file.
2. Unplugged HDMI from projector and plugged it into the Onkyo AVR's input #3 and pressed F5. Waited 2 minutes and then plugged HDMI back into projector to copy last 128 characters and paste into row "1" in the override file.

Is this correct? Did I miss something?

That sounds correct. Can you post the inf file so I can see it?

You might try removing all other HDMI cables going into the receiver save for the HTPC. Also, to be safe, put it in Input 1.

LOL, wow I am good... right before your post I actually removed all other HDMI cables going into the Onkyo and also switched to input 1! Although it didn't help any (unless you think I should try the capture again).

One thing I just thought of (shoudn't make a difference, but I am getting really desparate now)... I have a 25 foot 1.3a hdmi cable going into my ceiling out to the projector. Since I obviously cannot pull that cable out of the wall to connect it to my HTPC, for step 2 (the blind capture) I am actually unplugging the projector cable from the HTPC and then plugging in the 2nd cable (which is already connected to the Onkyo in input 1 now) to the HTPC and pressing F5 on moninfo. Does it matter that I am not using the same cable?

Q: For those of you that have this working... what do you see in CCC afer "Display Options"... DVI or HDMI? When I have just the projector hooked up, it shows HDMI correctly, but after installing the override inf and connecting to the Onkyo it reverts back to DVI.

On a sidenote, I figured out how to fix the annoying "graphic card not found" error in moninfo... just had to uninstall and reinstall the program. My latest INF is attached.

 

New INF2.txt 2.62890625k . file

@mulox

I draw your attention to Randomfoe's original post


I notice you don't have the first byte 0x01, in each line of yours.

Bingobill,
Thank you for pointing that out! I did not follow that direction myself and will make this change and try again tonight. (don't you just hate finding out something at work and can't try it right then!)

A few questions I had have left:

1. In the CCC console, where exactly do I look to see that my connection is HDMI or not? Just want to be sure I'm looking at the right thing.

2. If I have the receiver connected via HDMI to the PC, Windows device manager will show 2 GenericPNP monitor devices. Do I only upgrade the PC monitor or both?

3. Do I need to make any adjustments to the internal sound card itself... disable or anything? It's currently set to output to HDMI.

4. Can the laptop display be on (cloned) with the TV display on, or does it need to be off when video is on the TV? Just another detail thought I would toss in.

Thanks guys for your time and feedback!
I'm going to make a manual called "PC to Receiver HDMI for Dummies"! haha...

Maybe this is of no help and I know it has been mentioned elsewhere but.....

I am running the following:

Sony 55A2020 TV
Onkyo TX-SR674 Receiver

Vista Premium 64bit
Quad Core 2.4GHz
6GB RAM
640GB HD
LG 6x BD Read/16x DVD Writer
HIS ATI4670 512MB

I have 5.1 audio (I'm sure 7.1 would work, my system is only 5.1) over hdmi. What seemed to do it for me was the realtek driver that has been mentioned on this board.

http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/

High Definition Audio Codecs (Software)

ATI HDMI Audio Device R2.09

I probably don't understand the problem you are all facing but on the off chance this helps I thought I would post.

-Bryan

bingobill, thanks for pointing that out... great catch! Unfortunately it still didn't work. The only time it actually worked for me was right after reinstalling CCC and my vid driver but BEFORE installing the override INF, so I might try that AGAIN, although I dread going through that process again. I am just about out of patience with this whole thing, but you guys have been very helpful and kept me sane, thanks. I have definitely learned a lot in this process.

geovoni, I can actually help you with some of your questions (from my "lessons learned" this week).

1. As for where you look for DVI vs HDMI in CCC, look at my pic posted here
2. If you see 2 generic pnp monitors, you have an extra device/monitor connected that should not be. Disconnect the culprit, you should only have your TV connected, and then only 1 PNP monitor will show in Device Mgr.
3. Depends on what vid card you are using. If you are trying to do audio over your vid card, you need to disable onboard sound from your mobo.
4. No, this is why you are seeing 2 monitors in Device Mgr. Disconnect the laptop when doing moninfo capture.

Granger, other than my registry being totally hosed up, the audio driver is the only thing I can think of that is left to try and "fix" although I have repeatedly uninstalled and installed it (and of course have disabled onboard audio so only the audio from the vid card is on).

Mulox,

Another suggestion to help eliminate your custom inf file as the culprit, try the sample .inf file from post 1. This file worked fine in my setup and was useful in my troubleshooting.

Thanks kemac, will do. What is the expected result with the sample file? Are you saying I will get audio over hdmi?

I was able to get audio with Randomfoe's inf with my 806, then I continued to fix several mistakes I had in my custom inf until I got it working.

10-4 Mulox,

1. Mine definetly listed as DVI and not HDMI then... so I expect this should change to HDMI if the new override file worked?

2. The 2nd PNP device only appears when I connect the receiver into the laptop. I take it this shouldn't happen?

3. I'll disable the onboard sound as you suggest.

4. I run moninfo from the laptop... I pluged in the tv first...disconnected and then connected the receiver... collected receiver data, then when finished pluged the TV back into the mon out of the receiver...and left the receiver plugged into the laptop.
Now when the laptop is on... playing mp3's, movies..etc. from it...should that screen be off (switched to external monitor mode only), or some other mode?

Sorry...allot of questions I know. It's that one little detail thats going to fix it for me though right!

If Bingobill's data edit doesn't work along with all your solutions, then I'll try Kemac's suggestion in trying RandomFoe's original inf file "as is" and see what happens.

1. Correct
2. Sorry, I assumed you also had a desktop connected. You must have 2 of something connected in order for it to show 2 so just make sure only 1 thing is connected to your laptop at a time and you are good to go. It could be your laptop display is messing things up, in which case I would try to do your moninfo captures with the laptop display disabled.
3. Since I assumed you had a desktop too, you might not have to do this afterall, unless your video card has an audio solution on board like the HD 4870.
4. Again, you probably need to have the laptop display disabled, but I will let the experts chime in here to confirm everything.

Mulox,
Progress tonight...

After trying all of the above mentioned I tried Kmac's suggestion last, using RandomFoe's original file as-is, and I now get sound even after rebooting a few times.

My problem must be in my raw-data somewhere, but at least I can start to troubleshoot that. With my raw-data the CCC never showed the display as HDMI, so I'll start with the TV data first.

I currently have the laptop and TV in clone display mode with the internal sound card enabled and set to HDMI out. Even though the internal sound is set to HDMI out and not really used, I just wanted to point out that it's not disabled.

The WIndows device manager shows 2 monitor objects... originally 2 generic PNP devices, one being the laptop LCD and second being the AVR/TV.
I upgraded the driver on both, so device manager shows 2 MS EDID Override devices. Not sure if I needed to upgrade both, but it works.

Thanks again for your help guys... I'm almost out of the woods, but not yet.

That is awesome geovoni! I too had success tonight taking kemac's suggestion and using the original file... I get audio even after rebooting. So kemac, I am just not sure I need to change anything else now.... ? I know you all will think I am crazy after going through all this to switch now, but I am thinking of exchanging my 4870 and getting a 4670 or the All in Wonder HD (which is a HD 3650 with tuner). Any thoughts? Do both of those cards have audio onboard the vid card? What about performance?

Nice work guys, glad you have things working, If your both happy with things as they are I would leave them as is unless you like punishing yourselves like I do.

@Mulox, I went from a 4850 to an ASUS 4670 and have been using it without the stock fan (Fanless) and now that is is silent I am very happy with it cuz it was LOUD. Only the 4XXX series cards support 7.1 LPCM while the 3XXX cards support 2 channel PCM which is the case with your All in Wonder. So if you have a 5.1 or 7.1 setup its probably too far of a step back.

Good afernoon gents...
Well I woke up this morning all happy as can be... turned on all my equipment only to find that my sound went away. I didn't change a thing from last night. Played music for hours then turned everything off, then back on this morning...and nothing. Nearly had a heart attack, but then I found that the AVR for some reason switched the HDMI mapping on two of the ports!! How that happened is beyond me. A quick switch in the AVR menu and sound was back. I'll have to test several power downs and restarts on the AVR and see if the settings stick.

Mulox - Regarding the HD3650 card, I would agree with Kmac and stick with the 4xxx series if you want decent 5.1 or 7.1.

Cheers guys... if testing goes well throughout the afternoon, I'll be making the martini's.

Wish I understood all this

Jut upgraded my old Media Centre PC (It was Core 2 Duo 3Ghz with NVidia 8600GT) to a new Gigabyte Mobo with a EAH 4550 512MB Graphics card with HDMI out. Also upgraded my old Yamaha DSPA1 amp to a RX-V863 amp. Of course no audio. Strange as it shows HDMI lit up on the AMP and in Vista in the Sound section the Volume shows some action (green sound bar flickers about 10%) but no sound and all the test fail. My TV is a 2 year old LG HD 50" 50px5D Plasma.

I only semi understand what to do. Do you go to device manager and right click on the generic monitor and somehow browse to where the inf file is? I couldn't make head or tail of monifo. So would I be better off not messing around and waiting till ATI sort it? And if so knowing past history of the companies is it likely to ever be sorted? One wonders how much importance they place on this sort of problem.

Ok tried it using the generic edid file and i got audio though at 1920 * 1080 res my Plasma is almost unreadable. Tried changing the DPI to 120 from 96 and now I get Audio but no video. So am trying a System Restore to get my picture back. I guess I need to run the program to get the correct settings for my LG Plasma. It said my Monitor was a Samsung after installing the inf overide from here. Fingers crossed I can get my screen back.

Update:

Got my screen back to before all this. Ran moninfo. Could I be cheeky and ask someone who knows what they are doing to make me an EDIDOverride.inf file to suit? If so what do I need to paste here from moninfo? My easiest to see resolution is 1360 * 768 if that helps.

Update more. OK rambling a bit here but finally understood how to do it. Didn't notice on the left in moninfo you change the raw choice from monitor to your amp to get the different raw data. However it works for me with the RX-V663 raw data but not if I put in the correct data for my RX-V863.

There seems to be a lot less data for mine than the 663. My Plug N Play ID was YMH312B

Anyway happy for now even though it only recognises 2 channels. At least I have audio till ATI get there thung together.

That means the software is not installed correctly, or was altered after installation. Just download and install it again.

The 4670 is ok, but it didn't come with a DVI/HDMI adapter... ugh, I may return this one too. For some reason I thought it was supposed to come with a native HDMI connector? The thing that attracted me with the other HD card is that it has a HDTV tuner onboard as well, which I need. Maybe ATI will release a 4xxx series card with a HDTV tuner onboard sometime soon.

So what didn't you like about the 4850 that made you get the 4670?

Not all 4670s are created equal I guess, the ASUS model I have does have a native HDMI port. I wanted to see if having a native HDMI port would make a difference with this EDID issue, which it didn't... I have a small shuttle case that I am using so I didn't need a large heat generating card since I only use it for video and not gaming.

Ah, I see. I think my biggest challenge is that I am still undecided on what to do about PC gaming. The thing is that I do much less PC gaming now than I used to, so it's very hard to justify spending $300 on just a vid card, for 1-2 hours gaming per week.

I thought this new HTPC (mid-tower) that I just built would double as a gaming machine, but now I am not sure. I may turn this machine (Vista 32-bit, Q9550, 4gb ram) into a gaming-only box and build a new HTPC with a cheaper hdmi card that supports 7.1 LPCM. That new HTPC box would also house a RAID array of 4TB of media, so instead of streaming from one box to another, all streaming would be done from the same box.

The alternative is to just consolidate everything into 1 big honking box, but pros and cons to each of course...

Thanks for the help. Any idea why your 663 data works for my 863 but if I use my 863 data from my monifo raw data it doesn't work. Also my amount of data is only 4 short lines compared to almost double for your 663.

No fix for XP...

I guess Newegg is getting my Gigabyte 4550 back. I'm not buying a $129 DVI Detective Plus to fix ATI's incompetence. If I was going to spend that much I'd rather spend the money on a motherboard with a nVidia 9300/9400 IGP and an Intel CPU.

The amount of data should be the same, thats probably why its not working. Post your override lines so we can take a look.

The fix worked for audio, but I think it has screwed my system up even worse.

When the computer wakes from sleep, it will now jump to some other resolution besides 1920x1080p@60. Sometimes it is something that works, like 1280x720, but it usually goes to 1920x1080i@29. Where on earth did it get that resolution???? My display can't use it, so the only way to ever use the HTPC again is to boot into Safe Mode and reset the drivers. When it comes back it is in 1920x1080i@60 which my Samsung DLP can display. How can I fix this?

Can I restrict the resolutions so it cannot change?
Can I make a hotkey that returns the resolution to 1080p@60?

I really am getting tired of messing with my 4850 and am considering sending it back to AMD with a pipe bomb or something...

months of trying to get my Toshiba HD Laptop to play through my Yamaha HTR6140 (RXV463) has led me to these results.

laptop always had worked from HDMI direct to TV HDMI, with Picture and stereo sound but not a thing through the 6140.
ATI's 8.12 driver set installed after modding my install package to work with my ATI mobility HD2600 gave me picture but no sound at all.
using the default EDDID Override from RandomFoe's post gave me stereo sound with picture but not 5.1,
Realtek's ATI HDMI Audio Device R2.09 installed while everything plugged in gave me 5.1 sound on test but no picture using toshiba's HD player, I keep getting a "cannot find DMIcheck.exe" error. which when I restore computer to before the HDMI Audio Device R2.09 install reverts to Picture but only stereo sound. I cannot find a resolve to the DMIcheck.exe error.

However using windows media player I get picture and 5.1 sound on SD DVD's

OK here's my Working 5.1 surround sound EDID edited for my Viewsonic N3751 and for my Yamaha HTR6140 AKA RXV463

Viewsonic N3751

HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"0",0x01,0x00,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0x00,0x5A,0x63,0x1E ,0x91,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x2D,0x10,0x01,0x03,0x80,0x52,0x2E ,0x78,0x2A,0xB2,0x08,0xA6,0x54,0x47,0x9B,0x25,0x12,0x48,0x4C ,0xBF,0xEF,0x80,0x81,0x80,0x81,0x40,0x71,0x4F,0x31,0x0A,0x01 ,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x1D,0x80,0x18,0x71 ,0x1C,0x16,0x20,0x58,0x2C,0x25,0x00,0x34,0xCD,0x31,0x00,0x00 ,0x9F,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFF,0x00,0x51,0x42,0x54,0x30,0x36,0x34 ,0x35,0x43,0x31,0x31,0x35,0x39,0x0A,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFD,0x00 ,0x32,0x4B,0x1E,0x50,0x0E,0x00,0x0A,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20 ,0x20,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFC,0x00,0x4E,0x33,0x37,0x35,0x31,0x77 ,0x0A,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x01,0x7E

Yamaha HTR6140 (RXV463)

HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"1",0x01,0x02,0x03,0x33,0x74,0x56,0x85,0x04,0x02,0x03,0x06,0x07 ,0x10,0x0E,0x0F,0x0A,0x0B,0x14,0x13,0x11,0x12,0x15,0x16,0x1F ,0x1D,0x1E,0x19,0x1A,0x2C,0x09,0x7F,0x07,0x0D,0x7F,0x07,0x15 ,0x07,0x50,0x3D,0x1F,0xC0,0x83,0x0F,0x00,0x00,0x66,0x03,0x0C ,0x00,0x10,0x00,0x80,0x01,0x1D,0x00,0x72,0x51,0xD0,0x1E,0x20 ,0x6E,0x28,0x55,0x00,0xC4,0x8E,0x21,0x00,0x00,0x1E,0x01,0x1D ,0x00,0xBC,0x52,0xD0,0x1E,0x20,0xB8,0x28,0x55,0x40,0xC4,0x8E ,0x21,0x00,0x00,0x1E,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00 ,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00 ,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00 ,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x07

Attached is the file for anyones use.

My system:
Toshiba Satellite A200HD, OS Vista Home
ATI 8.12 drivers modded to install with Mobility 2600HD
Realtek Vista R2.11 Drivers
Realtek ATI HDMI Audio Device R2.09

Yamaha HTR6140, with energy 5.1 surround speaker system
Viewsonic N3751 37" LCD TV
Shaw Cable PVR box
all connections via HDMI

 

EDIDOverrideN3751-B.zip 0.96875k . file