EDID Override Thread - Page 4

true, I've turned off passthrough as I guess most people would with a receiver, since not much point sending 5.1 etc to a TV. But it's a good point, when reading EDIDs with passthrough on, might cause strange results.

Thank you very much for the post. This time I couldn't even get the driver to load.

I redownloaded the attachment and added what you supplied and it gives me the error saying that it encountered a problem. Even after rolling back the drivers and restarting.

I really appreciate the help.

EDIT:

You sir, are amazing. I fixed a few of the copy typos I didn't notice in the beginning, restarted and it came up. Was searching for something to play, thinking, I know this isn't going to work (I've had trouble with it even before the receiver). Started it up, and instantly heard the gun fire from Band of Brothers. This is awesome and thank you so much for the help!

Damnit,

i tried it exaclty as mentioned here, but cant get the sound to work with my pioneer vsx-lx50 receiver and my 46A789...

Is it possible that my DVI->HDMI dongle can cause the issue? my TV isnt detected as HDTV only as DVI. I didnt got a HDMI adaptor included within powercolor card pakage so i bought one from ebay...

Sorry for my "bad" english *g*

Greets,
Benedikt from germany

is there a solution for winxp also ?

+1 !

I am taking a shot at one. found post on HardForum from a guy who had problems with nvidia cards not recognizing the EDID from Westinghouse TVs that I remembered reading about when I was comtemplating purchasing a Westy.
The fix involves a registry mod, as opposed to the .inf/driver mod utilized with Vista. From what I have read, Vista was designed to allow developers to push out .inf fixes to address problems with applications/hardware not correctly reading EDID data. It does not appear that XP has the capability to easily accept such changes, or perhaps nobody gives a damn about XP/they want us to upgrade. Because of the large number of variables involved, I really doubt that ATI is going to deliver a fix in the near future.
Essentially, the XP mod appears to use the same 128 bit EDID data that you use with the Vista mod, and similar override instructions, it just requires a reg edit command to load into the registry.
Here is a link to give you some idea of what I am attempting: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....post1032412520
EDIT: I could use some help. if you look at the two override commands, one being for vista with an ati card and the other for xp with a nvidia card, I cant tell whether the difference is due to nvidia vs. ati drivers, or vista vs. XP.
Vista/ati "EDID_OVERRIDE"
XP/nvidia "OverrideEdidFlags"

I can't decide which command to use.

No hdmi Sound with xp and no Fullscreen mirror in vista. Seems like a problem. switch from nvidia to ati to become the theater function back but vista doesn´t support that function for copyright reaseons. so i can have fullscreen mirror in xp or hdmi sound with vista. That´s not funny. Hope ati will fix it with 8.12. :-(

I have Asus 4670 on my vista 32bit based htpc and Sony str-dg820 amplifier. I had only stereo pcm sound available, no DD/DTS bitstream. This was with Realtek HDMI driver 2.03 and 2.09. Using RandomFoe's inf file modified with my amplifier edid data didn't help at all. I redid the inf mod couple of times just to be sure that I made it correctly. No tv was connected to amp when I used moninfo (used remoted desktop).
Next I tried hdmi and catalyst driver from the driver cd that came with the graphics card. That gave me 5.1 pcm delivered to amp, but no DD/DTS bitstream. Last thing I tried was unmodified RandomFoe's inf file with yamaha data, and now I got 5.1 pcm with DD/DTS bitstream, and sample rates up to 192KHz/24bit(previously only upto 48KHz/16bit). And I can use any version of hdmi driver and still get all options. Sth incompatible with str-dg820 edid and asus 4670?

sony str-dg820 edid info from video1 hdmi(tried also bd hdmi, couple values different, but didn't work either)

Raw data................. 00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,4D,D9,01,4C,01,01,01,01,0A,12,01,03, 80,50,2D,78,0A,0D,C9,A0,57,47,98,27,
......................... 12,48,4C,20,00,00,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01, 01,01,01,1D,00,72,51,D0,1E,20,6E,28,
......................... 55,00,C4,8E,21,00,00,1E,8C,0A,D0,8A,20,E0,2D,10,10,3E,96,00, C4,8E,21,00,00,18,00,00,00,FC,00,53,
......................... 4F,4E,59,20,41,56,41,4D,50,0A,20,20,00,00,00,FD,00,31,3D,0F, 2E,08,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,01,A1,
......................... 02,03,44,71,4D,83,04,05,0E,0F,10,12,13,14,1D,1E,1F,20,32,61, 7E,00,65,7E,00,67,1E,00,59,7E,01,5D,
......................... 7E,01,5F,1E,01,32,09,7F,07,0D,7F,07,0F,7F,07,15,07,55,3D,1F, C0,57,06,00,83,5F,00,00,67,03,0C,00,
......................... 11,00,B8,2D,8C,0A,D0,90,20,40,31,20,0C,40,55,00,C4,8E,21,00, 00,18,01,1D,00,BC,52,D0,1E,20,B8,28,
......................... 55,40,C4,8E,21,00,00,1E,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,AE

For the 1st line in the .inf you should use the top half of the raw data from your TV, for the second line in the .inf you should use the bottom half of the raw data from your Sony str-dg820.

Hmmm... you have three different LPCM entries: 2 channel, 6 channel, and 8 channel. I suggest choosing only one, then using Windows to decide which to send.

Out of curiousity, has anybody actually tried it on XP? I know the Microsoft page says it's for >=Vista, but I've known those pages to be wrong before too.

If nobody has, I may give it a try this weekend...

Yes, I tried it with XP MCE 2005 and it was no go. CCC still indicating DVI connection. Thats why I am attempting a registry mod. Unfortunately, I have a day job, wife, dog, etc, all of which are getting agravated about how much time I have put into trying to fix this.

archibael, I would greatly appreciate it if you would point me in the direction of a guide to what each bit of the EDID data pertains to and does. I am assuming from the knowledge you display that you either have such a guide or are using a program.

Actually it turns out disabling that service only MOSTLY fixed the problem. Sometimes the "Sound" section in the control panel will detect the HDMI as "not plugged in", and I can't seem to change it without restarting my computer. I'm not entirely sure what's causing this, but I kind of suspect that my power settings are (after 30 minutes, turn monitors off).

The values returned from moninfo have far more characters than the corrected values you are posting. For example, here are my raw values

Sony KDS-R60XBR1

HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"0",0x01,0x00,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0x00,0x4D,0xD9,0xF8 ,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x00,0x0E,0x01,0x03,0x80,0x00,0x00 ,0x78,0x0A,0x0D,0xC9,0xA0,0x57,0x47,0x98,0x27,0x12,0x48,0x4C ,0x20,0x00,0x00,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01 ,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x1D,0x80,0x18,0x71 ,0x1C,0x16,0x20,0x58,0x2C,0x25,0x00,0x10,0x09,0x00,0x00,0x00 ,0x9E,0x8C,0x0A,0xD0,0x8A,0x20,0xE0,0x2D,0x10,0x10,0x3E,0x96 ,0x00,0x04,0x03,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x18,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFC,0x00 ,0x53,0x4F,0x4E,0x59,0x20,0x54,0x56,0x0A,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20 ,0x20,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFD,0x00,0x3B,0x3D,0x0F,0x2E,0x08,0x00 ,0x0A,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x01,0xDF,0x02,0x03,0x1A ,0x76,0x47,0x85,0x02,0x03,0x04,0x06,0x07,0x01,0x23,0x09,0x07 ,0x07,0x83,0x01,0x00,0x00,0x65,0x03,0x0C,0x00,0x20,0x00,0x01 ,0x1D,0x00,0x72,0x51,0xD0,0x1E,0x20,0x6E,0x28,0x55,0x00,0x10 ,0x09,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x1E,0x8C,0x0A,0xA0,0x14,0x51,0xF0,0x16 ,0x00,0x26,0x7C,0x43,0x00,0x04,0x03,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x98,0x8C ,0x0A,0xD0,0x8A,0x20,0xE0,0x2D,0x10,0x10,0x3E,0x96,0x00,0x10 ,0x09,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x18,0x8C,0x0A,0xA0,0x14,0x51,0xF0,0x16 ,0x00,0x26,0x7C,0x43,0x00,0x10,0x09,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x98,0x00 ,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00 ,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00 ,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x87

Pioneer SC-05

HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"1",0x01,0x00,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0x00,0x41,0x2F,0x00 ,0x00,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x00,0x12,0x01,0x03,0x80,0x00,0x00 ,0x78,0x0A,0x0D,0xC9,0xA0,0x57,0x47,0x98,0x27,0x12,0x48,0x4C ,0x20,0x00,0x00,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01 ,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x1D,0x80,0x18,0x71 ,0x1C,0x16,0x20,0x58,0x2C,0x25,0x00,0x10,0x09,0x00,0x00,0x00 ,0x9E,0x8C,0x0A,0xD0,0x8A,0x20,0xE0,0x2D,0x10,0x10,0x3E,0x96 ,0x00,0x04,0x03,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x18,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFD,0x00 ,0x3B,0x3D,0x0F,0x2E,0x08,0x00,0x0A,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20 ,0x20,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFC,0x00,0x53,0x43,0x2D,0x30,0x35,0x0A ,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x01,0x35,0x02,0x03,0x39 ,0x74,0x4D,0x85,0x02,0x03,0x04,0x06,0x07,0x01,0x0E,0x23,0x0F ,0x24,0x0A,0x0B,0x3B,0x09,0x7F,0x07,0x0F,0x7F,0x07,0x15,0x07 ,0x50,0x3E,0x1E,0xC0,0x4D,0x02,0x00,0x57,0x06,0x00,0x5F,0x7E ,0x01,0x67,0x7E,0x00,0x77,0x1F,0x03,0x83,0x4F,0x00,0x00,0x66 ,0x03,0x0C,0x00,0x12,0x00,0x80,0x01,0x1D,0x00,0x72,0x51,0xD0 ,0x1E,0x20,0x6E,0x28,0x55,0x00,0x10,0x09,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x1E ,0x8C,0x0A,0xA0,0x14,0x51,0xF0,0x16,0x00,0x26,0x7C,0x43,0x00 ,0x04,0x03,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x98,0x8C,0x0A,0xD0,0x8A,0x20,0xE0 ,0x2D,0x10,0x10,0x3E,0x96,0x00,0x10,0x09,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x18 ,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00 ,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xAC

Clearly these are far longer than the ones that you have posted for known working devices. How do you trim them down to the size they are supposed to be?

Actually those are changed to look like the registry file format, here's the raw values:

TV


00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,4D,D9,F8,01,01,01,01,01,00,0E,01,03, 80,00,00,78,0A,0D,C9,A0,57,47,98,27,
......................... 12,48,4C,20,00,00,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01, 01,01,01,1D,80,18,71,1C,16,20,58,2C,
......................... 25,00,10,09,00,00,00,9E,8C,0A,D0,8A,20,E0,2D,10,10,3E,96,00, 04,03,00,00,00,18,00,00,00,FC,00,53,
......................... 4F,4E,59,20,54,56,0A,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FD,00,3B,3D,0F, 2E,08,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,01,DF,
......................... 02,03,1A,76,47,85,02,03,04,06,07,01,23,09,07,07,83,01,00,00, 65,03,0C,00,20,00,01,1D,00,72,51,D0,
......................... 1E,20,6E,28,55,00,10,09,00,00,00,1E,8C,0A,A0,14,51,F0,16,00, 26,7C,43,00,04,03,00,00,00,98,8C,0A,
......................... D0,8A,20,E0,2D,10,10,3E,96,00,10,09,00,00,00,18,8C,0A,A0,14, 51,F0,16,00,26,7C,43,00,10,09,00,00,
......................... 00,98,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,87

Receiver

00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,41,2F,00,00,01,01,01,01,00,12,01,03, 80,00,00,78,0A,0D,C9,A0,57,47,98,27,
......................... 12,48,4C,20,00,00,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01, 01,01,01,1D,80,18,71,1C,16,20,58,2C,
......................... 25,00,10,09,00,00,00,9E,8C,0A,D0,8A,20,E0,2D,10,10,3E,96,00, 04,03,00,00,00,18,00,00,00,FD,00,3B,
......................... 3D,0F,2E,08,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FC,00,53,43,2D, 30,35,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,20,01,35,
......................... 02,03,39,74,4D,85,02,03,04,06,07,01,0E,23,0F,24,0A,0B,3B,09, 7F,07,0F,7F,07,15,07,50,3E,1E,C0,4D,
......................... 02,00,57,06,00,5F,7E,01,67,7E,00,77,1F,03,83,4F,00,00,66,03, 0C,00,12,00,80,01,1D,00,72,51,D0,1E,
......................... 20,6E,28,55,00,10,09,00,00,00,1E,8C,0A,A0,14,51,F0,16,00,26, 7C,43,00,04,03,00,00,00,98,8C,0A,D0,
......................... 8A,20,E0,2D,10,10,3E,96,00,10,09,00,00,00,18,00,00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,AC

Just going by the length of what other people posted, here's what I came out with for mine. Do you mind seeing if this looks right?

Kemac, care to share your 806 number.
Thanks.

Just to confirm, this did work.

Spyre(A Cat beta tester) hinted that this problem might be fixed in the Cat 8.12 drivers that will be released today.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost...9&postcount=50

The 8.12 drivers should be better at working since parts of the EDID were changed. (allegedly)

Sure, I'll post it later today, btw the sample posted by randomfoe woked fine for me as well if your in a hurry, just reports your AVR/monitor as a Samsung if I recall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDID was a good place to start for me.


Interesting, I'm trying to get my SC-05 working too.

To summarize from the above, the first 128 bytes you are getting (from both devices) is the original data block designed to allow CRT monitors to tell video cards their timings. It contains nothing about audio, and ATSC standard resolutions can be problematic. To correct this, the "CEA EDID Timing Extension" block was created to specify audio capabilities and to indicate compatibility with exact common resolutions (including ATSC ones such as 720p and 1080i). This extension block (and possibly others) is placed in the second set of 128 bytes (for a total of 256 bytes of data).

Since the video card looks in the first 128bytes for video capabilities and the second 128bytes for audio capabilities, a quick and dirty way to create a working EDID is to use the first 128bytes (positions 0-127) from the EDID reported by your monitor and the second 128bytes (positions 128-255) from the EDID reported by your receiver. This isn't 100% guaranteed to work, but should most of the time.

One particular gotcha I should mention is if your display only returns a 128 byte block (instead of 256 bytes) the above method will not work. Byte 126 will need to be changed to (probably) 1 and the checksum in byte 127 will need to be recalculated.

Can someone check my values?

Raw data for Toshiba monitor
Raw data................. 00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,52,62,06,02,01,01,01,01,FF,12,01,03, 80,69,3B,78,0A,0D,C9,A0,57,47,98,27,
......................... 12,48,4C,2D,CE,00,81,80,8B,C0,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01, 01,01,02,3A,80,18,71,38,2D,40,58,2C,
......................... 45,00,C4,8E,21,00,00,1E,8C,0A,D0,8A,20,E0,2D,10,10,3E,96,00, C4,8E,21,00,00,18,00,00,00,FC,00,54,
......................... 53,42,2D,54,56,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FD,00,17,4C,0F, 44,0F,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,01,CC,
......................... 02,03,24,71,4A,90,05,04,03,07,02,06,01,20,22,23,09,07,07,6C, 03,0C,00,20,00,38,2D,C0,33,33,3B,3B,
......................... E3,05,03,01,01,1D,80,18,71,1C,16,20,58,2C,25,00,C4,8E,21,00, 00,9E,01,1D,00,72,51,D0,1E,20,6E,28,
......................... 55,00,C4,8E,21,00,00,1E,8C,0A,D0,8A,20,E0,2D,10,10,3E,96,00, 13,8E,21,00,00,18,8C,0A,A0,14,51,F0,
......................... 16,00,26,7C,43,00,13,8E,21,00,00,98,8C,0A,A0,14,51,F0,16,00, 26,7C,43,00,C4,8E,21,00,00,98,00,72

Raw Data for Onkyo SR606
Raw data................. 00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,3D,CB,63,08,00,00,00,00,00,12,01,03, 80,00,00,78,0A,0D,C9,A0,57,47,98,27,
......................... 12,48,4C,00,00,00,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01, 01,01,01,1D,80,18,71,1C,16,20,58,2C,
......................... 25,00,C4,8E,21,00,00,9E,01,1D,80,D0,72,1C,16,20,10,2C,25,80, C4,8E,21,00,00,9E,00,00,00,FC,00,54,
......................... 58,2D,53,52,36,30,36,0A,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FD,00,17,F0,0F, 7E,11,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,01,8E,
......................... 02,03,3E,72,55,85,04,03,02,0E,0F,07,23,24,10,94,13,12,11,1D, 1E,16,25,26,01,1F,38,09,7F,07,0F,7F,
......................... 07,17,07,50,3F,06,C0,4D,02,00,57,06,00,5F,7E,01,67,54,00,83, 4F,00,00,66,03,0C,00,10,00,80,8C,0A,
......................... D0,8A,20,E0,2D,10,10,3E,96,00,C4,8E,21,00,00,18,8C,0A,D0,90, 20,40,31,20,0C,40,55,00,C4,8E,21,00,
......................... 00,18,01,1D,00,72,51,D0,1E,20,6E,28,55,00,C4,8E,21,00,00,1E, 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,A2

Here is what I came up with

Toshiba first 128:
0x00,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0x00,0x52,0x62,0x06,0x02, 0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0xFF,0x12,0x01,0x03,0x80,0x69,0x3B,0x78, 0x0A,0x0D,0xC9,0xA0,0x57,0x47,0x98,0x27,0x12,0x48,0x4C,0x2D, 0xCE,0x00,0x81,0x80,0x8B,0xC0,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01, 0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x02,0x3A,0x80,0x18,0x71,0x38, 0x2D,0x40,0x58,0x2C,0x45,0x00,0xC4,0x8E,0x21,0x00,0x00,0x1E, 0x8C,0x0A,0xD0,0x8A,0x20,0xE0,0x2D,0x10,0x10,0x3E,0x96,0x00, 0xC4,0x8E,0x21,0x00,0x00,0x18,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFC,0x00,0x54, 0x53,0x42,0x2D,0x54,0x56,0x0A,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20, 0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFD,0x00,0x17,0x4C,0x0F,0x44,0x0F,0x00,0x0A, 0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x01,0xCC

Onkyo second 128
0x02,0x03,0x3E,0x72,0x55,0x85,0x04,0x03,0x02,0x0E,0x0F,0x07, 0x23,0x24,0x10,0x94,0x13,0x12,0x11,0x1D,0x1E,0x16,0x25,0x26, 0x01,0x1F,0x38,0x09,0x7F,0x07,0x0F,0x7F,0x07,0x17,0x07,0x50, 0x3F,0x06,0xC0,0x4D,0x02,0x00,0x57,0x06,0x00,0x5F,0x7E,0x01, 0x67,0x54,0x00,0x83,0x4F,0x00,0x00,0x66,0x03,0x0C,0x00,0x10, 0x00,0x80,0x8C,0x0A,0xD0,0x8A,0x20,0xE0,0x2D,0x10,0x10,0x3E, 0x96,0x00,0xC4,0x8E,0x21,0x00,0x00,0x18,0x8C,0x0A,0xD0,0x90, 0x20,0x40,0x31,0x20,0x0C,0x40,0x55,0x00,0xC4,0x8E,0x21,0x00, 0x00,0x18,0x01,0x1D,0x00,0x72,0x51,0xD0,0x1E,0x20,0x6E,0x28, 0x55,0x00,0xC4,0x8E,0x21,0x00,0x00,0x1E,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00, 0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xA2

Thanks for anyone who has some time to look.

Alex

JoeTheDestroyer's suggestion of the Wikipedia entry is best. I wrote it. Well, the parts about the second EDID block, anyway. The original source material is the CEA/EIA-861B spec, if you want to go old school; I just attempted to translate it into something resembling English.

As Joe points out, the second 128 byte block is where the audio data resides. After a listing of "short video descriptors" is a list of "short audio descriptors", which is really what everyone is tweaking to get their receiver working properly with LPCM sound.

Cool, I'm eager to hear your results.

I feel your pain, I don't have a family, but I do know how much I am getting aggravated about how much time I have put into trying to fix this.

Catalyst 8.12 available
HDMI bug repaired

I saw mention of that in the notes but it said for XP. Have you confirmed this yourself?

Not i'm under vista

But .... now totalmedia theater doesn't work
LOL

How is it repaired? What are your system specs?

Yeah right!

(Actually I hope you are right!).

Waiting for someone to test. I can't mess with it until the weekend.

My guess is that they did fix this!

Using an HDMI cable to connect an ATI All-in-Wonder to a Yamaha receiver
may result in the display resolution being limited to 1280x1024 and audio
failing to function