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post #121 of 2916
Hi folks. I have been reading this, and the preceding thread about Olive. I am unclear about something I think. To use a hardrive to back up the Opus I need to format in FAT32, but to rip to a hardrive on my PC and copy to Opus I can use the NTSC format? It seems that ripping thru my PC to an outboard drive and transferring to the opus would be a no Brainer. Especially since that leaves me with a complete back up. Am I correct or confused?
post #122 of 2916
Hi pnob,

Whatever format your pc uses is fine if you want to copy ripped files to the Opus. I doubt however that this will give you a complete backup. Consider this:
- whenever you edit some metadata with Maestro, you will have to do that on your pc as well. So this is not practical.
- to transfer files the Opus and your pc uses smb, which is quite slow. It will take ages for both your pc and the Opus to transfer, say, 600 GB.
- when you import files, you leave it to the Opus in what genre it will place them. This might create a chaos, at least in your head.
- if you have some classical albums, I can't think of a way to edit the metadata on your pc to match the way Opus handles the classical genre.

I have started to rip my cd's with Opus, and every single cd is edited by me before I go on with the next cd. This way I have a good chance to find my way in my collection, once I have ripped them all. I have a LOT of classical cd's though.
BTW: not one of these have the correct artwork.

Marc
post #123 of 2916
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Originally Posted by egoss View Post

When you reach a buying decision, please let me know. I could use some buying guidance. I have never owned an iPod or any portable music player because MP3s curdle my senses, but I would be interested in hearing a portable player that handles FLAC files.

Thanks,
Ed

I share your allergy to all flavors of MP3 For some years, I have been using an iPod with files exclusively encoded to Apple Lossles. I checked Z's suggested software for adding FLAC to iPod-supported formats, but it does not work on my iPod Classic.

So I found an interesting alternative: the Archo 5 tablet, which supports FLAC and does much more than an iPod:

- It is a full-fledged touch-screen Internet tablet, meaning that it handles the Rondo interface for the Opus;

- It has a uPnP/DLNA client, meaning that you can stream the contents of your Opus to the device for headphone listening or, more interestingly, use the Archos in an accessory dock with analog and DIGITAL outputs to feed a secondary audio system in another room (no need for a Melody);

- The Digital out also works, of course, for material stored on the Archos itself, whereas there is no way of getting digital out of an iPod short of spending close to $400 on a dock made by Wadia;

- it can be configured as a USB hard drive (for copying playlists from the Opus) and, with the accessory dock, can interact with other portable media players and USB devices;

- In addition, it is a grat video/photo player, and can be used as a programmable video recorder. it also works as an e-mail client and has Rhapsody web radio;

The downside: with its 4"8 display and hard rives ranging from 60 to 250 GB, the Archos is not exactly tiny.

MG
post #124 of 2916
mumsoft, Thanks, I hadn't thought of it that way. Makes sense though.
post #125 of 2916
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

BTW: not one of these have the correct artwork.

As a new Oliver, I've found the album artwork feature to be really, really poor. Of the first 46 CDs I imported, only nine had any artwork show up at all (the rest show up as black squares with the Olive logo in white in the center). Of the nine CDs for which some artwork appears, seven are correct, and two are wrong. So, about a 15% success rate in my experience so far.
post #126 of 2916
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

Hi pnob,

Whatever format your pc uses is fine if you want to copy ripped files to the Opus. I doubt however that this will give you a complete backup. Consider this:
- whenever you edit some metadata with Maestro, you will have to do that on your pc as well. So this is not practical.
- to transfer files the Opus and your pc uses smb, which is quite slow. It will take ages for both your pc and the Opus to transfer, say, 600 GB.
- when you import files, you leave it to the Opus in what genre it will place them. This might create a chaos, at least in your head.
- if you have some classical albums, I can't think of a way to edit the metadata on your pc to match the way Opus handles the classical genre.

I have started to rip my cd's with Opus, and every single cd is edited by me before I go on with the next cd. This way I have a good chance to find my way in my collection, once I have ripped them all. I have a LOT of classical cd's though.
BTW: not one of these have the correct artwork.

Marc

I'd rather edit it twice now, than rerip everything later...
What happens if you want to take your music to a new future server or even an mp3 player? Cant do it.
post #127 of 2916
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

I'd rather edit it twice now, than rerip everything later...
What happens if you want to take your music to a new future server or even an mp3 player? Cant do it.

That makes sense too. ****, did not realize that.
I did not make a backup yet, but I understand that such a backup is not readable?
On the box I see: Hear. hear. Your music is here.
That looks rather grim now.

I think that Olive should provide some way to get your music back.

Marc
post #128 of 2916
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

That makes sense too. ****, did not realize that.
I did not make a backup yet, but I understand that such a backup is not readable?
On the box I see: Hear. hear. Your music is here.
That looks rather grim now.

I think that Olive should provide some way to get your music back.

Marc

They said we will be able to sync mp3 players... maybe you can already? But you wont be able to use that back up on any other music server. I'm pretty sure music servers are here to stay and they will only get better and cheaper. I'm not ripping again!
post #129 of 2916
Thread Starter 
An official announcement email should be go out from Olive any time now, but the update is available. Major changes, especially to Maestro. All good from what I've seen so far.

http://www.olive.us/contact/softwarehistory_O4_M2.html

BTW, it takes a long time to update, so be prepared to wait.
post #130 of 2916
Thread Starter 
I agree that the back up should be readable. I think one of the issues may have been Olive didn't want to make it easy to share music off the unit to appease the content providers they planned to partner with (i.e. MusicGiants).

Perhaps that attitude will change now that DRM is becoming less and less pervasive.

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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post


I think that Olive should provide some way to get your music back.

Marc
post #131 of 2916
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

An official announcement email should be go out from Olive any time now, but the update is available. Major changes, especially to Maestro. All good from what I've seen so far.

http://www.olive.us/contact/softwarehistory_O4_M2.html

BTW, it takes a long time to update, so be prepared to wait.


I like the changes at first glance. Both MAESTRO and RONDO seem to be much more responsive than they used to be.

One of the areas that I really wanted to see improvement on was searching. The search page on the touch screen didn't work for me when I tried it out, unfortunately. If I press C I get an N, and only some of the keys are working. I navigated using the search screen with the arrows and Enter button and was able to select the right letters but when I hit search it didn't do anything.

Anyway, I still remain positive and I look forward to using the new UI.

Gerry
post #132 of 2916
Thread Starter 
I haven't had time to check out the touch screen yet, but I'll do so tomorrow. Did you try and re-calibrate the screen? I've taken to using a PDA stylus, but I imagine a pencil eraser would work fine too.

I strongly encourage everyone to visit the link in the e-mail to read about the updates, fill out a new survey, and give both good and back feedback. Olive can't improve the product if they don't know what works, and what doesn't work.

http://www.olive.us/update33.html


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Originally Posted by gfd View Post

I like the changes at first glance. Both MAESTRO and RONDO seem to be much more responsive than they used to be.

One of the areas that I really wanted to see improvement on was searching. The search page on the touch screen didn't work for me when I tried it out, unfortunately. If I press C I get an N, and only some of the keys are working. I navigated using the search screen with the arrows and Enter button and was able to select the right letters but when I hit search it didn't do anything.

Anyway, I still remain positive and I look forward to using the new UI.

Gerry
post #133 of 2916
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

Did you try and re-calibrate the screen? I've taken to using a PDA stylus, but I imagine a pencil eraser would work fine too.

http://www.olive.us/update33.html

That did the trick, zbrett, and it works well now. Thanks a bunch. I forgot that it could be calibrated.

Gerry
post #134 of 2916
The new maestro update appears to have many of the similar bugs of the previous update. I have a fairly large classical selection. For some reason the composer list begins with the a's and alphabetically goes to 'l' then starts over with the a's. In addition although the cover art now shows up in maestro, after the 1st 50 or so album covers, the track listing of each album does not come up. In addition , one cannot upload album cover artwork beyond the 1st 50 or so album covers. There is also a problem with drag and drop if you want to drop below the screen in view on the computer.
I would rather work with the maestro version prior to the last 2 updates.
post #135 of 2916
So far so good!
post #136 of 2916
Bravo Olive!! This machine is finally starting to look like a nice high end piece! I've never seen a company so responsive to their customers.

Z, I completed the survey, but maybe you can pass along any issues from here.

First the good:
-Love the new look. Very professional looking!
-Love the new full keyboard with the new search feature. To be able to type in a partial song title under tracks is great.
-The issue where you select something from the right hand side and resets to the left is fixed.
-Faster and more responsive!
-Touch screen is finally up to par... very nice.


Needs work:
-Searching tracks only shows one page of results. The option to goto the next page is there, but it doesn't show anything when you press it.
-I'm still fighting to get the scroll feature back in Maestro. I like the alphabet jump, but both features would be ideal. At the very least, show all the results on the same page for a particular letter.
-Its time to get Rondo up and running. I would prefer a sold separately remote customized for the Olive as opposed to having to log on, fix image, find page that you would have to do on a Nokia.
-Please unlock the backup so we can have our music back. I understand, there might be legal issues, but at least guarantee it would be usable for future Olive products.
(cant comment on the composer issues as I don't have any)

And finally, maybe an upgrade/trade in program for previous Olive owners????
post #137 of 2916
Thread Starter 
Same thing here on the classical music. Starts at "A" goes to "R" then starts over at "A" again.

I can't see any track listings when I'm in album artwork mode, and I can't update any of the the artwork. Do you have an option to play from the album artwork mode, because that is missing on mine too.

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Originally Posted by jk92147 View Post

The new maestro update appears to have many of the similar bugs of the previous update. I have a fairly large classical selection. For some reason the composer list begins with the a's and alphabetically goes to 'l' then starts over with the a's. In addition although the cover art now shows up in maestro, after the 1st 50 or so album covers, the track listing of each album does not come up. In addition , one cannot upload album cover artwork beyond the 1st 50 or so album covers. There is also a problem with drag and drop if you want to drop below the screen in view on the computer.
I would rather work with the maestro version prior to the last 2 updates.
post #138 of 2916
Thread Starter 
jk92147 and shamus,

That is all valuable feedback. I took some screen shots of the issues and sent it to my contact at Olive, along with your suggestions.

Thanks
post #139 of 2916
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

jk92147 and shamus,

That is all valuable feedback. I took some screen shots of the issues and sent it to my contact at Olive, along with your suggestions.

Thanks

I am certain Olive will fix the bugs in the very near future after talking to their software people. I have dealt with a lot of high end manufacturers but Olive probably has the best and fastest customer service I have ever run across. They are a pleasure to deal with. Jack
post #140 of 2916
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Originally Posted by jk92147 View Post

I am certain Olive will fix the bugs in the very near future after talking to their software people. I have dealt with a lot of high end manufacturers but Olive probably has the best and fastest customer service I have ever run across. They are a pleasure to deal with. Jack

I agree!
post #141 of 2916
I´m sorry to say that I have another bb (big bug) to report with the new update.
But let me first applaude for the beauty of this, and for all the bugfixes they have done.

Now this: I put in a cd, the Opus starts to search for information. For a reason not known to me, it can't find anything. In the previous software version, one could press import, play etc, because the buttons showed up while it was searching. Now they don't.
Actually, it never gives up the search, and so, I'm not able to rip this cd.

But why does it not recognize this disk in the first place? When I put it in my pc, my ripper has instantaneously found the ins and outs of this same cd in freedb.


So, in fact these are 2 bugs...

I guess, it has something to do with the character in the number N*, as it is in the name of the Opus No.4.

Marc
post #142 of 2916
The new look is very nice, and operations seem to move much more quickly. Olive is really starting to get it right IMHO.

One question though (of course). Is anyone having trouble updating the album art? The bug that caused you to only see a small portion of the artwork has been fixed, but I'm not able to upload new art. Or, if I am able to upload it, the new art isn't displaying.

Oh, okay. I just saw Z's and JK's posts about the artwork....
post #143 of 2916
Hi,
i have been working with the new software lately, and mainly with multi-cd classical albums, while playing some music too.
- When I update several tracks at once, say the album name, it seems to be possible to fill in something else (say, a comment) or switch tabs, but then in fact the Olive forgets about what it was doing. I would prefer a unresponsive interface until the work is done. Now I have to wait and decide myself when it is time to proceed.
Maybe this makes it look much quicker though...
- There is a limit of 64 tracks per album or work. I have a work of Dmitri Shostakovich with 69 tracks altogether, on 2 cd's. Only 64 show up, the rest is left behind where the import placed it.
I can imagine that opera's in general may have much more tracks than 64. This bug is not new, it was there before, but I did not see it properly.

I will report these limitations to Olive. Hope they can do something about it.

Marc
post #144 of 2916
mumsoft your right!!!!

I had an album with a couple hundred tv theme songs in it and now its only got 64!!! I swear they were there before?!?!?
post #145 of 2916
Until now I did not encounter a cd with more than 64 tracks, and I guess that a limit of 64 tracks on a single cd is viable.
As you can combine any number of albums or works, there must be some limit for the Olive to adhere to, but then 64 is way too low.

In my case, after combining the 2 albums and the 2 works, I had left over the surplus of 5 tracks in Classical/Dramatic, where the import had placed the works after ripping.
So, they are not gone.

Tonight I will try to append these to the 64 tracks, but I doubt this will lead to success.

It would be nice if one could select more easily the newly ripped/imported cd's. They are now placed somewhere in Albums, and sometimes even in Classical too. You have to remember the albumname that was displayed on the Opus before ripping.

And sure it would be nice to have a fact sheet or technical specifications of the Opus 4. Limitations should have been published.

But I keep being very glad that I have stumbled upon this marvelous player.

Marc
post #146 of 2916
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

Until now I did not encounter a cd with more than 64 tracks, and I guess that a limit of 64 tracks on a single cd is viable.
As you can combine any number of albums or works, there must be some limit for the Olive to adhere to, but then 64 is way too low.

In my case, after combining the 2 albums and the 2 works, I had left over the surplus of 5 tracks in Classical/Dramatic, where the import had placed the works after ripping.
So, they are not gone.

Tonight I will try to append these to the 64 tracks, but I doubt this will lead to success.

It would be nice if one could select more easily the newly ripped/imported cd's. They are now placed somewhere in Albums, and sometimes even in Classical too. You have to remember the albumname that was displayed on the Opus before ripping.

And sure it would be nice to have a fact sheet or technical specifications of the Opus 4. Limitations should have been published.

But I keep being very glad that I have stumbled upon this marvelous player.

Marc

I just rechecked my 200 + album and it appears to still be in the Olive, just not viewable in Maestro. Can you confirm?
post #147 of 2916
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

I just rechecked my 200 + album and it appears to still be in the Olive, just not viewable in Maestro. Can you confirm?

YES.
I was able to move the other 5 to the existing work with the 64 tracks. On the Olive they show up, but in Maestro they don't.
Yesterday I played track 64, and after that it stopped. Normally it would go on to the end, so this was the end.
But if I play it now, it goes on with track 65. Without a gap. Beautiful!

So this is not such a big bug after all, but it is still a bug. I can't edit the tracks anymore... Both in Classical and Album Name the list stops at No 64. There is no Next button either in editmode in No 64.

Marc
post #148 of 2916
Thread Starter 
I get the distinct impression that the problem lies in that they are not using quantities of more than 64 for all of the different possibilities (albums, composers, tracks on an album, etc) when testing the upgrades. It seems to be a recurring theme.

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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

YES.
I was able to move the other 5 to the existing work with the 64 tracks. On the Olive they show up, but in Maestro they don't.
Yesterday I played track 64, and after that it stopped. Normally it would go on to the end, so this was the end.
But if I play it now, it goes on with track 65. Without a gap. Beautiful!

So this is not such a big bug after all, but it is still a bug. I can't edit the tracks anymore... Both in Classical and Album Name the list stops at No 64. There is no Next button either in editmode in No 64.

Marc
post #149 of 2916
Just got a message from Mr Bussiek (Olive) that they will try to fix it.
(Don't know about the other 64-limits, I mean just the one I have reported just now).

I will have a look at the other limits though. Just had trouble editing some tracks, that don't want to be edited. Maestro does not give a clue why not. What about proper error messages?

Marc
post #150 of 2916
Thread Starter 
There was a bug before where you couldn't see more than 64 album covers, and I believe another where you couldn't see more than 64 composers under the classical genre.

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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

Just got a message from Mr Bussiek (Olive) that they will try to fix it.
(Don't know about the other 64-limits, I mean just the one I have reported just now).

I will have a look at the other limits though. Just had trouble editing some tracks, that don't want to be edited. Maestro does not give a clue why not. What about proper error messages?

Marc
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