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post #1411 of 2405
6/13/11 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by samanuel View Post

I just realised after almost a week of owning the olive 04hd that as I do not own an ipod or iphone I can control the olive through the maestro on my phone's web browser just as You would on Your computer. Oh lord I feel dumb

No need to feel dumb. When I last tried this, the menu at the left side was missing (if I recall it correctly). After all, I decided it was no way to go.
But today it is working. I guess Olive has changed something without telling us.

Thanks!
Marc
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post #1412 of 2405
6/13/11 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by xtrips View Post

Of course I don't mean to edit the metadata through the iPhone. I just want to be able:
- to rip my CDs withh a third party application such as Dbpoweramp
- rip the metadata with that same application
- publish my ripped music folders using one of the available solutions on my NAS (Twonky, DLNA, Upnp, etc...)
- access it via the Olive
- access the metadata via the Olive
- access the data seen by the Olive on the iPhone
- be able to chose music via its metadata on the iPhone
- launch the chosen music part on the iPhone
- have the Olive play it/beam it to my audio system

Is that possible?

and if so how good is the coax output of the Olive compared to the 6HD AES/EBU output?

Thanks

I'm sorry but I'm not clear on how you are using the term "metadata." The metadata is the info embedded in the tracks (as you know). You can select the music by playlist, album, artist, genre, etc, both from the iPhone app and from the front panel of the 02M. The owner's manual is available on Olive's site. You might find your answers there:

http://downloads.olive.us/guides/en_olive_userguide.pdf

http://downloads.olive.us/guides/en_...stro_guide.pdf

The Olive app does not allow you to play tracks through the Olive to your iPhone.

I have a Dacmagic too and found the coax output to be more than acceptable to my ears. There is only one person on this forum (that I know of) that might be able to give you an opinion on the 6HD AES/EBU output.
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post #1413 of 2405
6/14/11 at 3:55am
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post
I'm sorry but I'm not clear on how you are using the term "metadata." The metadata is the info embedded in the tracks (as you know). You can select the music by playlist, album, artist, genre, etc, both from the iPhone app and from the front panel of the 02M. The owner's manual is available on Olive's site. You might find your answers there:

http://downloads.olive.us/guides/en_olive_userguide.pdf

http://downloads.olive.us/guides/en_...stro_guide.pdf

The Olive app does not allow you to play tracks through the Olive to your iPhone.

I have a Dacmagic too and found the coax output to be more than acceptable to my ears. There is only one person on this forum (that I know of) that might be able to give you an opinion on the 6HD AES/EBU output.
Thanks for answering.
By metadata I meant mostly the CDs picture and the artist, album and title.

And i would appreciate if you could get me that 6HD owner's name.

Thanks again
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post #1414 of 2405
6/14/11 at 4:35am
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Originally Posted by xtrips View Post
And i would appreciate if you could get me that 6HD owner's name.
That would be me

I have not tested the AES/EBU output so I cannot comment
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post #1415 of 2405
6/14/11 at 5:41am
Some of the above discussion reminded me of a question I have been meaning to ask.

The is a lot of discussion re: external DACs in this forum. I am not sure I want to spend the money to improve the sound of my 4HD with an external DAC since this unit sounds wonderful. But ... I don't believe the DAC in the Olive 2 is up to the same standard. Maybe it is, but I can't find anything in Olive's literature that would suggest it is up to the 4HD.

So the question is, has anyone paired an external DAC with the Olive 2 and if so, how do you like the results (and which brand DAC do you use)?

The Olive 2 is a little pricey, so I don't really want to double down - I was thinking this might be a good use for something like the Musical Fidelity V-DAC.
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post #1416 of 2405
6/14/11 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by Eric KC View Post

Some of the above discussion reminded me of a question I have been meaning to ask.

The is a lot of discussion re: external DACs in this forum. I am not sure I want to spend the money to improve the sound of my 4HD with an external DAC since this unit sounds wonderful. But ... I don't believe the DAC in the Olive 2 is up to the same standard. Maybe it is, but I can't find anything in Olive's literature that would suggest it is up to the 4HD.

So the question is, has anyone paired an external DAC with the Olive 2 and if so, how do you like the results (and which brand DAC do you use)?

The Olive 2 is a little pricey, so I don't really want to double down - I was thinking this might be a good use for something like the Musical Fidelity V-DAC.

My understanding is the DAC in the Olive 2 is the same as the one in the older Olive 4 (not HD). I used my Dacmagic with my Olive 4 and was very happy with the results (big improvement over the internal Olive 4 DAC). I would expect the same results with the 02M. The V-DAC should be a good match to the Olive 2.
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post #1417 of 2405
6/14/11 at 7:39am
Agree, the Olive 2 is there as long as the Olive 4. If it would have the better dac, Olive would have called it the Olive 2HD (high density, not hard disk )

I have read a review of the Olive 4 in which the jitter is criticised. I believe that the Dacmagic does a very good job in minimalizing it, I don't know how good the V-Dac is in that matter.

Marc
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post #1418 of 2405
6/14/11 at 1:03pm
new review of Olive 06HD

The Absolute Sound issue 214 July/August 2011 edition has a 5 page review of the new 06HD written by Anthony H. Cordesman

worth reading: he goes into quite a bit of detail and the pros and cons of the unit. Among other things he says the sound quality is exceptional.

btw: I have no financial interest in Olive and paid full price for my unit:all my posts here are my opinion only
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post #1419 of 2405
6/14/11 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

new review of Olive 06HD

The Absolute Sound issue 214 July/August 2011 edition has a 5 page review of the new 06HD written by Anthony H. Cordesman

worth reading: he goes into quite a bit of detail and the pros and cons of the unit. Among other things he says the sound quality is exceptional.

btw: I have no financial interest in Olive and paid full price for my unit:all my posts here are my opinion only

Is it the same review that appears on page 93 of this guide?

http://media.avguide.com/Digital_Sou...yers_Guide.pdf

Interesting that his main problem with the Olive is the same as mine. You can put your data on the Olive, but not get the data back off in a usable format to transfer it or use it with another device.
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post #1420 of 2405
6/14/11 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post
Is it the same review that appears on page 93 of this guide?

http://media.avguide.com/Digital_Sou...yers_Guide.pdf

Interesting that his main problem with the Olive is the same as mine. You can put your data on the Olive, but not get the data back off in a usable format to transfer it or use it with another device.
yes it is the same article
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post #1421 of 2405
6/15/11 at 2:21am
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

Is it the same review that appears on page 93 of this guide?

http://media.avguide.com/Digital_Sou...yers_Guide.pdf

Interesting that his main problem with the Olive is the same as mine. You can put your data on the Olive, but not get the data back off in a usable format to transfer it or use it with another device.

Interesting link, zbrett.
If Olive makes it possible to give the music back, so to say, they will not be able to deliver it in the same way as the Olive uses it, as they use a non-standard, proprietary solution.
Maybe one fine day the industry will adorse a standard for metadata which does right to classical music in all its forms, but until then the 'way out' will put one back to the artist-album-track format.

Yesterday my Opus 4 froze, rebooting did not work, and I heard the hard disk tick. (tick tick tick).
I removed the hard disk, copied what I had changed the last month (I was happy to be able to do that!), and I putted the disk back. Until now it operates without a problem, but it shows the fragility of it all.

Even if you make regular backups, it will never have the latest additions. Olive should provide a much better way to backup your valuable stuff. Incremental, on the fly.

Marc
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post #1422 of 2405
6/15/11 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

Interesting link, zbrett.
If Olive makes it possible to give the music back, so to say, they will not be able to deliver it in the same way as the Olive uses it, as they use a non-standard, proprietary solution.
Maybe one fine day the industry will adorse a standard for metadata which does right to classical music in all its forms, but until then the 'way out' will put one back to the artist-album-track format.

Yesterday my Opus 4 froze, rebooting did not work, and I heard the hard disk tick. (tick tick tick).
I removed the hard disk, copied what I had changed the last month (I was happy to be able to do that!), and I putted the disk back. Until now it operates without a problem, but it shows the fragility of it all.

Even if you make regular backups, it will never have the latest additions. Olive should provide a much better way to backup your valuable stuff. Incremental, on the fly.

Marc

Well the simple first step fix would be to allow the Olive to be seen (read and written to) as a network drive. Drag and drop to add and delete music. Back up over the network. It would be so easy.

"Olive was less clear about what would happen if a customer wanted to transfer a collection to a different storage media or manufacturer system, and noted the problems copyright law present for simply providing a direct copy. After some back and forth, however, Olive made it clear that it will offer a service to download a returned Olive unit to a standard digital format like FLAC, WAVE, MPEG, AAC, Apple Lossless, etc."

What if someone just wants to sell their Olive? Who wants to take the time and money so send it back to Olive to get their data in a usable format? I don't understand all the "copyright" issues Olive continually brings up as a reason to not make the unit more "open." No one is using DRM on music anymore. Seems to be a moot point (at least here in the USA). I'm not violating any copyright issues if I transfer my music from one device that I own to another.

The second step would be to make the unit more user service friendly so a user could change out a failed hard drive (especially after the warranty period had passed).

Rant over...
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post #1423 of 2405
6/15/11 at 7:23am
You even could argue that Olive should make the software open source. It's heavily based on all kinds of open source programs. Speaking about copyright...

BTW If I send the unit 'back' to Olive I would infringe the copyright of the music I own. God knows what they do with it

Marc
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post #1424 of 2405
6/15/11 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

You even could argue that Olive should make the software open source. It's heavily based on all kinds of open source programs. Speaking about copyright...

BTW If I send the unit 'back' to Olive I would infringe the copyright of the music I own. God knows what they do with it

Marc

While the Olive is a great one box, no muss, fuss, solution, I think the future will be more a long the lines of a central server for all media, and clients that vary in the task they are meant to perform (video, audio, pictures). Along the lines of the various DLNA/UPNP products or the Logitech Squeezebox. Problem is that right now this decentralized approach can be too complicated for the average person, and a lot of the "compatible" hardware out there just isn't all that compatible. This approach will become more attractive as the software gets better, and wireless speeds improve.

Olive can choose to be part of that by making their units part of the network (or perhaps even some sort of high end central server), or be left behind.
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post #1425 of 2405
6/15/11 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

While the Olive is a great one box, no muss, fuss, solution, I think the future will be more a long the lines of a central server for all media, and clients that vary in the task they are meant to perform (video, audio, pictures). Along the lines of the various DLNA/UPNP products or the Logitech Squeezebox. Problem is that right now this decentralized approach can be too complicated for the average person, and a lot of the "compatible" hardware out there just isn't all that compatible. This approach will become more attractive as the software gets better, and wireless speeds improve.

Olive can choose to be part of that by making their units part of the network (or perhaps even some sort of high end central server), or be left behind.

You might be right, for the masses. Although I have a background in ITC, and have started with FreeNAS on a spare pc, and moved over to a NAS, I was glad to find such an all in one device like the Olive.
Furthermore, the modification I have in the Olive, is hard to get in a pc or in a NAS.

Marc
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post #1426 of 2405
6/19/11 at 12:52am
Hi Marc!

I upgraded the Olive firmware (4.1.6)
I make the BACKUP to 1 TB HDD.
Olive screen :" The backup succeed"
I connect the HDD tom my PC (Windows 7), and not see!
I running the "partition magic" and i see the 1 TB HDD the partition type is : OTHER !? No volume, no map
In the last firmware i was see all TAR files from windows7
Help please what i was doing wrong?

THX: slajgaj
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post #1427 of 2405
6/19/11 at 4:52am
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Originally Posted by slajgaj View Post

Hi Marc!

I upgraded the Olive firmware (4.1.6)
I make the BACKUP to 1 TB HDD.
Olive screen :" The backup succeed"
I connect the HDD tom my PC (Windows 7), and not see!
I running the "partition magic" and i see the 1 TB HDD the partition type is : OTHER !? No volume, no map
In the last firmware i was see all TAR files from windows7
Help please what i was doing wrong?

THX: slajgaj

Hi Slajgaj, I don't thing that you did something wrong. I think that you discovered another unpublished new feature in 4.1.6, closely related to this published one:
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Backup drive no longer needs to be formatted to FAT32 - system automatically formats the drive (Note: formatting deletes complete content on backup drive)

Maybe the Olive formats the backup drive not any longer to FAT32, but to EXT3 or some other Linux format. Or to a hidden FAT32 format, type 1c.
There are many formats available, but the Olive must be restricted to a Linux format (type 83), or a FAT-like format.

If you download Knoppix, burn it to a DVD, then you could start your pc with it see what type the backup has, e.g. with fdisk.

But maybe some other member here will jump in. I don't have made the Olive backup for a considerable time, because I have found a much quicker way. Unfortunately, that's only feasible for someone who can open the unit and has some knowledge of Linux at hand.

Marc
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post #1428 of 2405
6/19/11 at 6:03am
Music Sources does not see all devices in network

when I hit Music Sources I see only one WIN 7 machine running on local network: it does not see other networked devices such as my Mac Mini or Denon AVR

what should I check?

tia
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post #1429 of 2405
6/19/11 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

Music Sources does not see all devices in network

when I hit Music Sources I see only one WIN 7 machine running on local network: it does not see other networked devices such as my Mac Mini or Denon AVR

what should I check?

What I know is that the Olive should see all music servers that comply to the UPNPAV and DLNA 'standards'.
I'm not certain what exactly that means, but at least my Olive can see twonky on my NAS, and my second Olive in the room.
If I recall it correctly, I also had to check in my router that devices in the home network could talk to each other.

Marc
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post #1430 of 2405
6/19/11 at 1:13pm
Thanks Marc!
I was thinking the same thing.
Why screw it up which was good so far?
This restricts the users and it is quite in regression from Olive
I will testing with Linux
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post #1431 of 2405
6/19/11 at 2:22pm
Other:
Speaking about copyright...

I ripped my original cd-s to my Olive HD. That's great!
This procedure was cca. 3 weeks!!! ( cca. 130 music CD)
But.....Why not copy it on another own device????
If I want this CD-s on another device, then i start again the cd ripp/copy ???
Or disassemble it the Olive HD device??? Why force is the Olive this???
I don't understand!
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post #1432 of 2405
6/20/11 at 3:49am
Since I own an Olive, I have ripped and edited over 1000 cd's and I am still busy doing so. I consider all my work at the metadata, all my effort to get the cd's in the Olive, as mine. Not Olive's. Not Olive's. NOT OLIVE'S.
What they own is the way in which the metadata is organized. They own certain parts of the software. But I own my cd's and all the music and all changes to the metadata on the hard disk in the Olive.
If I want it back, I must be facilitated by the Olive (not by Olive as producer, no way that I send the unit to the USA for that matter).

So, I agree with you. Olive should change it's behaviour.

Marc
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post #1433 of 2405
6/25/11 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

Agree, the Olive 2 is there as long as the Olive 4. If it would have the better dac, Olive would have called it the Olive 2HD (high density, not hard disk )

I have read a review of the Olive 4 in which the jitter is criticised. I believe that the Dacmagic does a very good job in minimalizing it, I don't know how good the V-Dac is in that matter.

Marc

I own the old Olive 4 (Opus 4) which I believe was the model before the Olive 4HD...I am assuming the only difference is in the internal DAC? So i was using the DACMagic but recently upgraded to the Wired 4 Sound DAC-2 and it sounds incredible!
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post #1434 of 2405
6/25/11 at 6:19pm
Agree. Im also using the olive 4 but running thru to musical fidelity dac n it sounds fantastic!
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post #1435 of 2405
6/26/11 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by lorenzo85 View Post

Agree. Im also using the olive 4 but running thru to musical fidelity dac n it sounds fantastic!

Hey Lorenzo - which model Mobile Fidelity DAC are you using?
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post #1436 of 2405
6/26/11 at 10:04am
Hi everyone.

For those who might be interested, I'm using my Olive 4HD paired up to a Music Hall DAC 25.3.

IMO this tube DAC is the best bang for the buck around. It's sound is superb!
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post #1437 of 2405
6/26/11 at 1:29pm
I see...

When I am in the market for a new DAC, I can now choose from one that sounds incredible, one that sounds fantastic, and one that sounds superb.

Fortunately I already a have a DAC, and that one sounds, eh, err... natural

At first sight it looks like a Dacmagic.
But it has ondergone some incredible, fantastic, superb modification. Don't you believe me, I'am sure you will agree... (about the incredibility )...

Marc

 

Even_terug_in_de_tijd-ENGELS.pdf 93.359375k . file
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post #1438 of 2405
6/26/11 at 4:57pm
Hi Mark.

Interesting reading... Anyway it is true some of us tend to exagerate with the adjectives.

Ah! The Netherlands. Some years ago I studied there a Short Course in the IHE at Delft. Lovely City indeed.
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post #1439 of 2405
6/27/11 at 6:12am
Hi eric

Im currently using the latest m1 dac.
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post #1440 of 2405
6/27/11 at 8:03am
Sorry for this stupid question. I've read here that a good external dac makes the olive 04hd sound much better. I wonder how can for example a musical fidelity m1dac which retails here around $700 make an olive that costs here $3600 sound better? Shouldn't the olive have for such a higher price much better dac already in it? Again, I'm very new to this so please forgive my lack of knowledge.
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