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post #2131 of 2919
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

The times are a'changing, but my Olive is not. Except for the music off course.
The old Olive App is still in Google Market, and I wonder if the new app will replace it. I doubt.
Marc

That's right - I cannot see any rational reason why I should change my winning team Olive Opus 4, because it sounds so natural / 3-dimensional in cooperation with my external DAC and runs so flawless all the time ....

Just the opposite - if someone would offer such an older Opus 4 I would buy it as a replacement for my dying machine.

But I would be glad, too, if the new Olive App. would be compatible to our old machines.tongue.gif

Mats
Edited by Uthlande - 11/20/12 at 8:44am
post #2132 of 2919
I thought I'd share my experience with getting a large music collection onto my Olive O6HD.

I should note that I originally had (and still have) an Olive Opus--no number. Editing with that machine was quite difficult. Hence I ripped CDs on my PC using dbpoweramp and then copied them to the Olive. When I upgraded to the O6HD, I transferred my collection in the same way. As others here have noted, I noticed a number of problems with albums being fragmented across multiple albums, missing composer names, etc. Some of this was my fault in not having properly edited the ripped information in the first place. I lived with this problem for some time.

After reading some earlier postings on this forum, I bought the MediaMonkey application. I used it to add missing album covers and fix errors in composer, artist, and album names, among other edits on my PC. I then erased all the existing files on the Olive and started transferring the edited files. After transferring a few files to the O6HD, I noticed that some albums were still fragmented into "AlbumName_ArtistName." My solution was to edit the albums to have only a single artist per album--a bit extreme, but it did fix this issue. My remaining issue is that the O6HD does not separate out composer first and last name in the transferred files, but has the full composer name as the last name--so "John Adams" is not loaded as "first name=John, last name=Adams," but as "first name=blank, last name=John Adams." I'm gradually going to fix this with Maestro.

I'm happy to have the O6HD and am especially pleased with the sound quality. However, its interface and editing facilities leave a bit to be desired. The iOS app (which is now working for me--it didn't before erasing the Olive) is nice, but also lacking some way of organizing the music--e.g. by composer. I think Olive implicitly has acknowledged the problems with the current interface by its claims that the new Music OS will be ten times faster, etc.

I was heartened today to see, in response to a Facebook question about whether the current O6HD would get the new OS, that "...it's definitely something our software team is working on." Olive has changed its models quite frequently, and has often dropped support or even mention of them on its website. For example, there's no mention of the model I own, and when I spoke with someone at Olive about upgrading to the O6HD, he was also apparently unaware that Olive has made my model. I hope this has changed, and that Olive will be more responsive on supporting older releases--as another small company favored on these forums, Oppo, is so good at doing.
post #2133 of 2919
Thanks jdcrisco for your lengthy post. Now it is also clear to me that fragmenting albums is a feature of the import function, and does not occur at ripping. I have ripped numerous pop albums with 'various' artists, and if the screen showed the first artist with the album name, it ripped the cd with all the correct artists, but if it showed 'various', then all the tracks where courtesy of this 'various' creature.

Do you have a picture of your obscure Olive model? It's quite amazing that it exists!

Yesterday I had a little problem with my Opus 4.
In the Classical genre, I have a sub genre "Cantates", and I made a sub genre "Bach" with another "Cantates" sub genre. This lasted some time though! And after that, both sub genres Cantates where empty, while the first Cantates had contained several compositions.
Not nice, mr. Olive!

To-day this had not changed
Just now I renamed the first "Cantates" to "Cantaten", and all of a sudden, the old compositions appeared in Bach - Cantates.

So, the same name for subgenres is apparently not done.

Marc
post #2134 of 2919
In the morning I tried to start my Olive 2 melody but nothing happened.eek.gif


Everytime I pushed the start button the screen was flickering for a while and then darkened.

I opened the chassis and checked all wires and their connection - but everthing seems to be OK.


Did anyone had this problem before and knows how to fix it !?


First I would like to test another external power adapter - perhaps the old one is corrupted .

Second - could it be that the internal bios battery is low and has to be swapped ? Could I swap it without any difficulties ? Once I swapped the bios battery of my PC I had to re-enter all data. But how could I do that with a Olive 2 ??


I would be happy to hear some handy tips what/how to do ??


Mats
Edited by Uthlande - 11/22/12 at 11:17am
post #2135 of 2919
Your BIOS battery is probably still okay. When I had a problem with a pc, long ago, it was an old one, at least 5 years old, so I suspected the battery, and swapped it with a new one. But the old battery was as good as the new battery.
Doesn't have an Olive 2 a factory reset button or so?

Marc
post #2136 of 2919
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

Your BIOS battery is probably still okay. When I had a problem with a pc, long ago, it was an old one, at least 5 years old, so I suspected the battery, and swapped it with a new one. But the old battery was as good as the new battery.
Doesn't have an Olive 2 a factory reset button or so?
Marc

Hi Marc,

O.K. - so I should concentrate more on the power adapter - a new one will be here until this weekend.

But I don't find anything looking like a (factory) reset button (inside or outside) and I don't find any advice in the manual or on the web.

Meanwhile I tried to recover the Olive 2 what cannot be done manually as the Olive 4 can.
I took an USB stick with rescueBackup.bin on it and started the Olive2 again - but instead of starting an automatic rescue procedure same situation as before: first flickering and then darkened screen ... I did so in the past, when I had troubles with my Olive 2 and at that time it worked ..

Olive Services didn't know or didn't tell me how to fix it and instead - proposed to send it in for repair - but this would be the last option for me.

Mats
Edited by Uthlande - 11/23/12 at 3:52am
post #2137 of 2919
Hi Mats,

Replacing the external power adapter is an option.

Something else I can suggest: just unplug and re-plug all internal connections. My Olive Opus 4 showed a dimmed, almost faint light in the on/off button at the front, and most of the times it did not function any more. Nothing inside was loose, however, just re plugging the plug behind this button fixed the problem.

good luck,

Marc
post #2138 of 2919
Hi Marc,

that's a pretty good idea - I will test it !

Mats
post #2139 of 2919
..... I overlooked one important detail in context 'new product line' :

The new 5HD and 6HD will have optional a 2TB 2.5” power-efficient AV hard drive or a 480GB SSD drive.

Only the new 2TB 2,5'' drive will be inside the 4HD, too.

I think in that case these machines will be absolute quiet.

Mats
post #2140 of 2919
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Originally Posted by Eric KC View Post

Press release today to announce a complete revamp of the product line and OS, although at first glance, the hardware for the 6HD seems unchanged, just an OS update.. The two lower-end models now have built-in amps.
Meanwhile back in reality, my 4HD has been "in the shop" at Olive since Sept. 20th. I received an email yesterday stating that the repair would be further delayed because of an "abrupt shortage" of replacement parts.

sorry to hear that

by the way, my 04HD had the old problem back again after the system check up. Also I noted that when I use the app to remote the 04HD, sometime it did not show up that message ”this machine is controled by the apps and touch the screen to take control again ...etc”. That means the system is going to die soon.
post #2141 of 2919
Reading about the deletion of a CD-RW transport on the new machine and thought it interesting.

Then min stopped working. It sucks the CD in makes a funny noise. then stops. It ejects right away.

Seems about every 10 months its something with these machines.

Im hoping it just cures itself.

Decided to just rip on my laptop then transfer them over. I rarely burn discs on the Olive (4HD) but kind of bugs me out.

I a bit of a novice inside the machine but can't imagine replacement of the CD-RW can be all that hard.

Is it just plug and play or would there be a software issue of some sort.

Its not the cost of sending it back to Calif, its the time im without the machine that is bothersome. Generally its 3-4 weeks. I use my machine often!

Has anyone found it very easy to replace the CD-rw on the 4HD?

Thanks!
post #2142 of 2919
Hi Nalod,

I never did that, but I guess it's darn easy and requires no extra software.
Especially no headaches if you can get the same model.

Marc
post #2143 of 2919
Hi,

on http://www.olive.us/products/music_systems/olive5hd/features/quality.html Olive shows the playback screen of the new music OS.

The good news as announced : It should be 10 times faster than the old one,

but I'm afraid that it displays cover, album, artist, track, quality and title only,

although there should be enough space to display more details from the database

- i.e. genre and release date and ... and ... and ... - at least optional !?


Mats

P.S. The marketing department formulated ' a redesigned user interface that takes into account your individual taste and preferences, and allows for a personalized music experience.'
Edited by Uthlande - 11/27/12 at 2:32pm
post #2144 of 2919
It also says:

The new Music OS is designed to integrate your experience directly into our development process. Simply submit your suggestions through the user interface, and the community vote determines its importance.

Yer, right.

" It is the first Music OS designed by you."
No.
"It is the first Music OS designed by the community"rolleyes.gif

Well, okay, it's progress. Mine is designed by Olive biggrin.gif

Marc
post #2145 of 2919
Access to OliveLibrary in WINDOWS 8 !!

I bought a new Toshiba Notebook using Win8 :

Purely by chance I noticed that OLIVELIBRARY is displayed by Windows Explorer in subdirectories album, artist, composers, genres, playlists, tracks including album artwork. eek.gif

As I copied an album from the library to my notebook HDD everything worked flawless.

Only the filename-extension was not created in the target directory, so I had to rename each copied file to i.e. *.flac manually.

Perhaps I will find a way to automate that renaming process – or perhaps it‘s not necessary at all if I want to copy these files to this or any other music library.

I think using Win8 could be an alternative way (i.e. for XBMC) to backup ripped music from OliveLibrary to an external PC/HDD .

Mats


My settings (don’t know if that all matters !?)

Notebook Toshiba SatellitePro / Wifi
Win8

Olive 4
O 4.1.9.
iTunes support for Olive activated

iTunes 10.0
Edited by Uthlande - 11/28/12 at 1:04pm
post #2146 of 2919
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

Yes, I mean that app. I use the android version.
I don't think that Olive has changed anything in the database structure, but only in the user interface on the units. If that is correct, and because the Olive app uses it's own interface, the next update could be compatible. But no sign of Olive in that regard.
Marc

Hi all,

I got a mail from olive saying that the new App (for iphone, ipad, android etc.) will work with the old models.

Kolkrabe
post #2147 of 2919
For those who had problems in displaying cover art by using Windows :

Windows8 performs flawlessly all cover art in Maestro and Rondo ! biggrin.gif


Mats
post #2148 of 2919
Mats

to clarify: WIN 7 does not display correctly but WIN 8 does?... with FLAC files?

I really don't like WIN 8 but would look at it again if so
post #2149 of 2919
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

Mats
to clarify: WIN 7 does not display correctly but WIN 8 does?... with FLAC files?
I really don't like WIN 8 but would look at it again if so

Hi Mark,

….. yes, that‘s my conclusion - here my post from 10/5/11:

‚After installing a new Win7-notebook to my Wifi-HomeNetwork I was astonished that no CD-covers were displayed in Maestro anymore (both Firefox7 and IE9) - with the exception of the Olive cover for 'unknown album'.
--> And same result with Rondo under adress xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8163/olive_opus.php
Another Vista-Desktop-PC, a Safari-MacBook and an iPhone/iPad in the same network keep doing that in the correct way.
And when I disconnect the Win7-Firewall I got the same result !?‘
(And it didn't matter whether artwork in flac- or mp3-files.)

Since I swapped the ‚old‘ Win7- with a new Win8-Notebook in the same network, Maestro and Rondo display all cover artwork as requested.

And in addition to this : After I did the swap I can see my OliveLibrary in WindowsExplorer and copy musicfiles from that source to my Notebook. So I don’t need XBMC any more .

regards
Mats

P.S.: I deactivated the annoying Metro-desktop in Win8.
Edited by Uthlande - 11/29/12 at 9:51am
post #2150 of 2919
Thanks Mats

what I did not like was the absence of the start button, and the time it took to find common items like control panel

I tried to download Start 8, which many say restores these features, but than struggled with getting an email program with the download link

why they would remove commonly used controls is beyond me
post #2151 of 2919
Hi again Mark,

I installed ‚NoTilesPlease‘ which jumps after booting into the well-known Win7 Desktop

and ‚Start8‘ which re-installs the Win7-startmenue as well.

So I can use the same desktop as I used in Win7.

Mats
post #2152 of 2919
I just cannot get used to WIN 8: I bought the Lenovo Twist and found a defect where the screen orientation does not change when the screen is changed: turns out this is a known issue so I returned it. I started to upgrade my Lenovo A720 desktop to WIN 8 but it showed many features would not be compatible, so I gave up for now.

FYI: the new OPPO 105 sees the Olive 06HD on the network and plays flac files with cover art
post #2153 of 2919
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

I just cannot get used to WIN 8: I bought the Lenovo Twist and found a defect where the screen orientation does not change when the screen is changed: turns out this is a known issue so I returned it. I started to upgrade my Lenovo A720 desktop to WIN 8 but it showed many features would not be compatible, so I gave up for now.
FYI: the new OPPO 105 sees the Olive 06HD on the network and plays flac files with cover art

My Oppo 95EU recognises the Olive 4HD and (I think) all the music on it. No cover art or metadata though. All tracks are sorted by Artist or Album of course, but when I play a track only the track name appears - no artist or album info.
post #2154 of 2919
... most albums are as WAV files.
post #2155 of 2919
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Originally Posted by Viritrilbia View Post

... most albums are as WAV files.

ID3-tags are not part of the standard-WAV-definition !

If you are writing how ever meta-data like artist or album (by use of i.e. EAC) into WAV-files, there is no audio-software which knows how to deal with these ‚unknown‘ tags.
Normally WAV-tags are treated as invalid data and will be ignored from most players like foobar2000, winamp, vlc media player, iTunes, WinMediaPlayer etc.
None of these systems display WAV-tags written by EAC.
The same applies to hardware-players like your oppo 105 or my philips NP2900 players.

So it would be better to convert these WAV-CDs into FLAC-files which can be stored with integrated ID3-tags.

After that each capable player will display stored meta-data while playing music.

Mats

Against all scepticism : FLAC-files are containing the same amount of music-data as WAV-files. So they are called 'lossless' and compressed like ZIP- or RAR-files, that means more efficient in used store.
Edited by Uthlande - 12/10/12 at 2:44am
post #2156 of 2919
Dear all,

Just to share with you my latest project with my 04HD.

After my 04HD started having the old problem back after a system file check and couple of time remote by my Andorid Phone Apps, I decided to restore my 04HD again.

But OMG, the hair dryer trick did not work this time eek.gif

So it took me a week and with some luck, I got a bootable 04HD again. So my next project is to clone this HD.

There is only 2 partition in the original HD (without any song yet)



This is the cloned HD



So you see there is something missing in the cloned HD, even the program told me that it is 100% cloned. But the cloned HD cannot boot up the 04HD.

Marc, any idea?

smile.gif
post #2157 of 2919
a normal working Olive disk has 7 partitions.
sdb1 contains some secrets, is very small and has filesystem errors by definition.
sdb2 and sdb3 are both linux systems of two consecutive olive versions.
sdb4 is the extended partition.
sdb5 has some configuration files and looks much as your sdb2.
sdb6 is a swap partition for linux
sdb7 contains the music and databases and other configurable stuff. That's the most important part. It contains the audiolibrary map.

I don't know how you got this, but it reminds me to bad times with a failing recovery.

Maybe I can you more tonight when I'm at home

Marc
Edited by mumsoft - 12/10/12 at 1:20pm
post #2158 of 2919
Michael,

What procedure gave you a bootable Olive? A good recovery would yield to partitions I just mentioned, with an almost empty music partition.
If I try to clone a complete disk, it will 'repair' the first partition (in the source disk!!!), and make it unusable. mad.gif Acronis for Windows does a better job , as I far as I know.

Marc
post #2159 of 2919
Does anyone know if the Marantz NA7004 and/or MCR603 can stream from an Olive 4HD? I can't afford an Olive 2 and it doesn't have a headphone out anyway, but I would like to access the music from my Olive in another room using headphones.

Thanks
V
post #2160 of 2919
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Originally Posted by Michaelchowhk View Post

So you see there is something missing in the cloned HD, even the program told me that it is 100% cloned. But the cloned HD cannot boot up the 04HD.
Marc, any idea?
smile.gif

Hi Michael,

your used program tolds you that it 'cloned' the Olive HDD - but the result is not a 1:1 or sector-to-sector clone.

I think your 'cloning' software made an OS-controlled copy of the Olive HDD, so it made intentional (by Olive) mistakes and copied not all partitions of the original HDD.

The only software I know (and as Marc notes) which clones Olive HDDs 1:1 without any problems is Acronis® Migrate Easy 7.0 for Windows.

It recognizes Linux EXT-partitions and takes care of every bit and byte you have on an old or existing hard disk - automatically, safe and secure, nothing will be lost. And it includes special sector-by-sector support for other partitions and corrupted file systems, as Olive HDDs are including.

Greetings
Mats
Edited by Uthlande - 12/11/12 at 7:45am
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