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post #2161 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Viritrilbia View Post

Does anyone know if the Marantz NA7004 and/or MCR603 can stream from an Olive 4HD? I can't afford an Olive 2 and it doesn't have a headphone out anyway, but I would like to access the music from my Olive in another room using headphones.

Thanks
V

yes, you can stream from the Marantz 7004 and the similar Denon player
post #2162 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Viritrilbia View Post

Does anyone know if the Marantz NA7004 and/or MCR603 can stream from an Olive 4HD? I can't afford an Olive 2 and it doesn't have a headphone out anyway, but I would like to access the music from my Olive in another room using headphones.
Thanks
V

Hi,

taken from the Olive QuickStart Manual:

'.... must be in same network as Olive 4HD and music must be shared with a fully UPnP DLNA compliant software package ....
some software packages (e.g. iTunes) do not support the FLAC format and this music will therefore not be accessible.'

greetings
Mats
post #2163 of 2911
I have a UPNP DLNA compliant thing that will stream from the Olive, but it does not show the artwork, and it plays tracks in alphabetical order, not the order as Olive has (So, most of the time I start track titles with 1, 2, 3, 4 or I, II, III, IV, etc.).

Twonky has extended support for various devices, so you can tell Twonky to take care for the right order. But Olive?

I.m.h.o. UPnP DLNA added with the word Fully isn't always really full.

Marc
post #2164 of 2911
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

I have a UPNP DLNA compliant thing that will stream from the Olive, but it does not show the artwork, and it plays tracks in alphabetical order, not the order as Olive has (So, most of the time I start track titles with 1, 2, 3, 4 or I, II, III, IV, etc.).
Twonky has extended support for various devices, so you can tell Twonky to take care for the right order. But Olive?
I.m.h.o. UPnP DLNA added with the word Fully isn't always really full.
Marc

Thanks... yes that's what I want to know, ideally. Any one have specific experience of the Marantz NA7004 or Marantz MCR603? My Oppo lists all Artists on the Olive (1438 of them!) but not in alphabetical order. The few Artists with FLAC albums appear to come first then the rest (mostly WAV files), but not alphabatically - I can't work out any logic to the order. There's no quick way to select an artist, I just have to scroll down using 'Page down' until I spot the artist I want. If I have to I can live with that but if selection is any more difficult it will deter me from using the system. The Oppo can read my Olive Playlists, so if the Marantz units can do this I could save some albums into playlists for listening in the second room, but that's far from ideal.
post #2165 of 2911
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

Fully isn't always really full.
Marc

... that's true biggrin.gif

I just wanted to give Viritrilbia a basic orientation which players Olive defines as qualified.

My twonky-related Philips NP2900 also shows artists not in alphabetically but in chronological order resp. how I've copied them into the OliveLibrary.
So I have to use the search function all the time. Or I should delete all artists in OliveLibrary and copy them new from my PC in alphabetically order.
Currently I start playlists when using my netplayers - with the exception of my Olive 2.

But all of my cover artwork is displayed - perhaps it's because I rip on PC using MP3tag which copies artwork as ID3-tag into each FLAC- and MP3-musicfile.

Mats
Edited by Uthlande - 12/11/12 at 2:46pm
post #2166 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Uthlande View Post

... that's true biggrin.gif
...My twonky-related Philips NP2900 also shows artists not in alphabetically but in chronological order resp. how I've copied them into the OliveLibrary.
So I have to use the search function all the time. ...
Mats
That is probably what is happening with the Oppo as most of the FLAC files are the hi-def samplers on the Olive when I bought it.rolleyes.gif
V
post #2167 of 2911
Another new machine - Opus One - is coming :

http://www.myoliveone.com

Olive launches One Music Player via Crowdfunding ??
I wonder if Olive wants to be cool with that form of financing a project or haven't they enough money in their coffer ?
The company has 53 days left to make its $200,000 goal.

Mats
Edited by Uthlande - 12/13/12 at 7:44am
post #2168 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Uthlande View Post

Hi Michael,
your used program tolds you that it 'cloned' the Olive HDD - but the result is not a 1:1 or sector-to-sector clone.
I think your 'cloning' software made an OS-controlled copy of the Olive HDD, so it made intentional (by Olive) mistakes and copied not all partitions of the original HDD.
The only software I know (and as Marc notes) which clones Olive HDDs 1:1 without any problems is Acronis® Migrate Easy 7.0 for Windows.
It recognizes Linux EXT-partitions and takes care of every bit and byte you have on an old or existing hard disk - automatically, safe and secure, nothing will be lost. And it includes special sector-by-sector support for other partitions and corrupted file systems, as Olive HDDs are including.
Greetings
Mats

Thanks Mats and Marc. I will try it over the weekend.
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post #2169 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Uthlande View Post

Another new machine - Opus One - is coming :
http://www.myoliveone.com
Olive launches One Music Player via Crowdfunding ??
I wonder if Olive wants to be cool with that form of financing a project or haven't they enough money in their coffer ?
The company has 53 days left to make its $200,000 goal.
Mats

You'd never know for sure, but I saw it more of the former versus the latter. It looks like they have done much of the heavy lifting on their own dime and this seems to be a novel way to 1) generate buzz about the new product 2) engage customers and prospects in a fun way in addition to 3) securing some project-specific funding for the pre-launch push.

Relative to the products we all own today, the ONE appears to be a great bargain. Like their new product line, the device includes an amp, so all you need to do is connect to speakers. That may not necessarily appeal to the audiophile crowd, but seems like a pretty cool way to address a much broader market.

It is my understanding that it is fully compatible with the products we own, so for those with Olive 2s, it seems like a great way to bring music to additional rooms. I will likely purchase one as a replacement for one of my O2s - seems like a very reasonable price point to own a cool device.
post #2170 of 2911
Not related to previous discussions.... but is anyone else rather pissed off that Olive have re-used the name 4HD for a new product? My Olive 4HD is less than 2 years old and quite probably a superior product to the new one as it is not compromised by an internal amp. But now it has disappeared from Olive's site in deference to a new model with the same name but different spec. and looking quite different too. Not a great decision by Olive I think.
Edited by Viritrilbia - 12/18/12 at 10:20am
post #2171 of 2911
I just saw this on there homepage.

This must be a joke, a very bad joke.

In future if a new firmware is compatible with 4HD you have to guess which one is meant - the prehistoric one or the new modern one.

I hope it is a mistake in writing. If not I hope the Maya prediction concerning the 21th decembre is correct.

Regards
post #2172 of 2911
Looks me not rolleyes.gif

I have never told the update service what kind of Olive I had, and it never failed to give it the right one (sometimes with wrong features, but that is a different issue)

Marc
post #2173 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Michaelchowhk View Post

Thanks Mats and Marc. I will try it over the weekend.
smile.gif

Just tried the Acronis® Migrate Easy 7.0 for Windows but it said there is an operation error and forced closed the program.

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post #2174 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Michaelchowhk View Post

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Originally Posted by Michaelchowhk View Post

Thanks Mats and Marc. I will try it over the weekend.
smile.gif

Just tried the Acronis® Migrate Easy 7.0 for Windows but it said there is an operation error and forced closed the program.

eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

Go to the Acronis site and ensure that the version of Migrate Easy that you are using is fully updated. They release fixes from time to time and the version you have may not be fully up to date.

I'm not a *nix guru but I know and benefit from the fact that Ubuntu Linux is free and contains disk utilities with great power and good accuracy. I use GPARTED from Ubuntu to work with Windows systems and often obtain the desired results.

http://www.ubuntu.com/download
post #2175 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Michaelchowhk View Post

Just tried the Acronis® Migrate Easy 7.0 for Windows but it said there is an operation error and forced closed the program.
eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

Hi Michael,

what a pity frown.gif

meanwhile I was using Acronis Migrate Easy for countless cloning tasks of different Olive-, Hifidelio-, NAS- and notebook-HDDs and it works flawless all the time.

So what kind of operation error is messaged ? Is it displayed at the beginning - while analysing source and/or target HDD ? - or in between resp. at the end of the process ?

Did you use an updated legal version ? Did you control the program as prescribed ?

Did you checked all USB- or SATA -connections ? Are both of your HDDs - resp. source and target - still O.K. ?

There must be something wrong with your soft- or hardware configuration, I guess.

Mats
Edited by Uthlande - 12/18/12 at 10:51am
post #2176 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Uthlande View Post

In the morning I tried to start my Olive 2 melody but nothing happened.eek.gif
Everytime I pushed the start button the screen was flickering for a while and then darkened.
I opened the chassis and checked all wires and their connection - but everthing seems to be OK.
Did anyone had this problem before and knows how to fix it !?
First I would like to test another external power adapter - perhaps the old one is corrupted .
Second - could it be that the internal bios battery is low and has to be swapped ? Could I swap it without any difficulties ? Once I swapped the bios battery of my PC I had to re-enter all data. But how could I do that with a Olive 2 ??
I would be happy to hear some handy tips what/how to do ??
Mats

Hi Marc,

you were right, not the BIOS battery was broken but the external power adapter !

Mats
post #2177 of 2911
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

I'm not a *nix guru but I know and benefit from the fact that Ubuntu Linux is free and contains disk utilities with great power and good accuracy. I use GPARTED from Ubuntu to work with Windows systems and often obtain the desired results.
http://www.ubuntu.com/download

Hi Arnold,

I think OS-based utilities like the Linux ones produce OS-controlled copies.

If those utilities find errors - as arranged by Olive on their system - they try to correct them. So the result is not a 1:1 clone of the Olive HDD and not a copy of all partitions of the original HDD. Read above about experiences Marc made with Linux.

Acronis Migrate Easy uses its own developed utilities and handles file systems corrupted by Olive as required.

Mats
Edited by Uthlande - 12/18/12 at 10:48am
post #2178 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Uthlande View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

I'm not a *nix guru but I know and benefit from the fact that Ubuntu Linux is free and contains disk utilities with great power and good accuracy. I use GPARTED from Ubuntu to work with Windows systems and often obtain the desired results.
http://www.ubuntu.com/download

I think OS-based utilities like the Linux ones produce OS-controlled copies.

Probably true, but what that means in the situations where people try to pull funny stuff is a YMMV thing.
Quote:
If those utilities find errors - as arranged by Olive on their system - they try to correct them. So the result is not a 1:1 clone of the Olive HDD and not a copy of all partitions of the original HDD. Read above about experiences Marc made with Linux.

Thing is, Acronis took a dump on his system, as well. So the guy may be clutching at straws.

Frankly in this case I don't have answers, but I know about a few straws. ;-)
Quote:
Acronis Migrate Easy uses its own developed utilities and handles file systems corrupted by Olive as required.

My experience with Acronis is that I use their True Image product fairly often. Just guessing but True Image and Migrate Easy probably have more than a few things in common. BTW they both appear to be based on some kind of *nix.

I recently had a little war with a HP laptop's Windows 7 hard drive and True Image 12, latest update. Nothing worked right until I blundered around in its menus and found an option to do a true image copy. That worked. I wonder if there is a similar situation in Migrate Easy?
post #2179 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Uthlande View Post

Hi Marc,
you were right, not the BIOS battery was broken but the external power adapter !
Mats

Hi Mats,

Great. It must be a relieve for you.

Marc
post #2180 of 2911
Can you Stream MOG with the Olive 03HD??
post #2181 of 2911
Hi,

As I aspected:

Confusion concerning the 4HD

Olive support told me some weeks ago, the new iOS (f.e. on an iPad) will be able to communicate with my old 4HD.

Yesterday Olive suport told me, it works with 4HD but only with the new one.

The great new world with better apps and something is not avaiable for the true blue old customers. They have to struggle with the old absurd software and the old smartphone app which was updated once in 2.5 years.
post #2182 of 2911
If that is true I'll never buy Olive again. Was thinking of getting an Olive One but this will be off the shopping list if support for the 'old' 4HD is already going down the pan. Selling an expensive device with proprietary back-up system and then dumping it within a couple of years is NOT good marketing. Let's hope Olive relent.
post #2183 of 2911
Question on the 2010-2012 generation of Olive 03/04HD...

Is there a way to edit FLAC metadata natively within the Olive, and push the edited information onto the Olive's native database for it to show up in the Olive user interfaces (i.e. Maestro, the touchscreen, iPhone app)?

Or is the only way to do this is maintain an offline master database of FLAC files and then either stream or import them into the Olive?

My major frustration is the Olive's inability to rip CD compilations natively in a way that allows you to browse by "album artist".

What I have discovered is that if you import FLAC files with "album artist" metadata into the Olive, these appear listed as a "composer" within the Olive's native database, which you can then browse. Problem solved!

However I purchased the Olive specifically to make the CD ripping process easier. This means I would have to export the ripped FLAC files to my PC, edit the metadata, then import back in to the Olive. Pain in the ass!

I don't mind the Olive utilizing a proprietary database to anchor its user interfaces, but it really needs to cross-reference and update the FLAC metada periodically if not dynamically (say, when the unit goes to sleep...)

My two cents... still figuring out the best way to manage the growing library of FLAC files ripped to my Olive. Maestro pretty much sucks. Media Monkey is the only other program I have used with success on my PC to "stream" into the Olive's native databse. But you can't really do anything except view and play files.

What programs / approaches are people using with success?
post #2184 of 2911
I have a 03hd my question is what Internet stations can be added and how do you add them. From my understanding many are not supported.
post #2185 of 2911
Hi, my olive 04hd after playing some minutes, the music plays with glitches and the screen frozen.
The fw version is 4.3.0
Anyone may know what be happening.
Thanks
post #2186 of 2911
I received my 03 yesterday and I am finding it a nightmare, not user friendly. The internet radio sucks, the uploading, screen freeze all very tedious.
post #2187 of 2911
Helo dear Olive lovers, eh... haters.
Anyone with a nice story to tell?

Oh well, maybe I find some time this afternoon in midst of my steady and ongoing building at my music library, to answer some of you.

Meanwhile, anyone else is invited!

Yours
Happy O Live Opus 4 user
Marc
post #2188 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Kocl View Post

Hi, my olive 04hd after playing some minutes, the music plays with glitches and the screen frozen.
The fw version is 4.3.0
Anyone may know what be happening.
Thanks

I'm very dissapointed wth my olive,i can barely play music with my olive.
i can't believe that a 2000 Eur device could had this behaviour.

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post #2189 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Kocl View Post

I'm very dissapointed wth my olive,i can barely play music with my olive.
i can't believe that a 2000 Eur device could had this behaviour.
mad.gif

Of course you are disappointed, your Olive is broken, kaduuk, not functioning properly. Go back to your dealer, ask for another or your money back.

M smile.gif rc
post #2190 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Bluvette View Post

Can you Stream MOG with the Olive 03HD??

MOG????
Never heard of it, but investigating it, it looks like another spotify service.
https://mog.com/

To me it says that it is not available in my country yet.
So, I dunno.

M wink.gif rc
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