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Thanks for the help on accessing my Olive files (Opus 4, I think) via XBMC.

My Olive has now mysteriously appeared within the UPnP category (pretty sure I checked that before, but whatever). and I was able to move files from the left panel (Olive) to the right panel (hard drive) by right-clicking a song, album or artist on the left and selecting "copy."

The first few times this did put files on the hard drive, but they came out as "Unix Executable Files" which XBMC could recognize as music files and play them normally, but no other players could see them as FLAC, nor could conversion programs. After the the first few album copies, further copy attempts just resulted in a "failure to copy" message.

Don't know if Mats' suggestion to deinstall 11.0 and install 10.1 would solve the problem, but I can't figure out how to get 10.1 -- I desperately like good music playback, but am not so hot at figuring the computer related aspects..

Thanks to anyone who can help the Olive idiot.

Hi,

Olive users are not idiots.
They use one of the most valuable streamers in the market. If you have a not-HD version of the Olives, an Olive 4 or an Olive Opus 4, which runs the latest software 4.1.9, then you can copy the music in it much more reliable as is possible with XBMC.

In previous posts this has been layed out, but I will try to put it all together in some easy steps, for Windows.

First of all, get the necessary PuTTY Windows files from: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
With PuTTY you can make the secure (SSH) connection tot your Olive, and copy the data from it to wherever you like.

As Frolic found out, it is easy to enable the SSH-connection on the Olive, which is not up by default.
Link: http://10.1.1.36/builtDhtmlx.php
replace 10.1.1.36 with the address of your Olive.
It asks for a user name: olive
It asks for a password: e4v1i5l9o
It will say: command command run successfully
Now you can use PuttY, and the like, as PSCP (PuTTY Secure Copy).
PSCP -rp root@10.1.1.36:/data target
Again, replace 10.1.1.36 with the address of your Olive. The target is up to you, it's where you want the data to land. The /data map is the map on the Olive where all the music is to be found, plus the zDB database in which all the metadata is kept.
It will ask for the root password: tj270442
It's wise to let the Olive do something, f.i. play a weak radiostation, to keep alive. Or else repeat http://10.1.1.36/builtDhtmlx.php

(This is my recipe, I did not try it, try it for yourself!)
good luck,
thanks to Frolic,

Marc

I saw somewhere that Windows 8 media player could see Olive on the network. Regarding XMBC, I had the same issue - the files come over without an extension; you need to rename them to xxxx.flac

Marc, thanks so much for a thoughtful response on accessing my Olive files, but I'm afraid I still remain the Olive idiot -- not for a lack of devotion to Olive, I've been on board from their very first products to my current Opus 4 running 4.1.9 (not HD but plays HD via my external DAC) with which I've been very happy -- but because despite your excellent detail, as well as me pouring over the posts since "frolic's " on 1/13, I just don't have any sort of handle on how to run this SSH thing.

This may just be plain over my non-computer head (in which case no need to respond, unless someone can at least tell me how to get back to XBMC 10.1 -- I removed 11.0, and now can only get 12.0!), but if someone is willing to really dumb it down for me and go through the agonizing minutiae, I will follow along happily.

My starting questions from Marc's description would be:

1) What are the "necessary" files from "http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.htm"? All, some, or none? Even when I tried to load the first, putty.exe, I got a pop-up window with questions I couldn't answer.

2) Where does the link "http://10.x.x.xx/builtDhtmlx.php" get entered? In a web browser, or in one of the putty things?

3) "Now you can use PuttY, and the like, as PSCP" --when and how does this happen?

4) "PSCP -rp root@10.1.1.36:/data target" -- how does one label the "data target"?

Again, my apologies for my limited understanding of the inner workings, so don't worry if you can't bring me on board, but if help is out there, I'm all ears.


Thanks,

Mike Kj

Hi,

there are several free tools listed by google (i.e. 'rename file extensions 1.0') which can help you re-editing those files in a convenient way.
Those tools append a simple .flac to your unspecified files, which are copied from OliveLibrary.

After that Windows will recognize them as .flac-files and players will play them.

But I only found an extension-tool which renames marked files in one directory, perhaps you will find one which renames musicfiles from different directories resp. albums in one step.

Mats

BTW : Windows 8 allows simple access to OliveLibrary (which is displayed as an external drive under 'Computer') without using XBMC - but with the same extension problems. Is there any other solution approach ??
Edited by Uthlande - 1/30/13 at 6:20am

Hi Mike,

I will try to help you with your questions in order.

1 - Putty is a tool to help you connect to your Olive through the SSH protocol.
In the link provided by Marc, you will need to download only the putty.exe one. Here is the direct link to it: http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe
Note that putty gives you a command line access to the olive unit, so regarding your computer knowledge, I don't think it will be useful for you

2 - You have to enter this address in a web browser. This address will enable the ssh access on your Olive unit.

3 & 4 - I recommend you use WinSCP, since it is more user friendly.
WinSCP will list the files that reside on the Olive unit and let you copy them to your own computer.
You can find it here: http://winscp.net/eng/download.php, or direct download link to the installer: http://winscp.net/download/winscp513setup.exe
Once WinSCP is installed, you should be able to connect it to your Olive unit (enter the ip address of your Olive which looks like 192.168.0.103). Then browse to the /data folder and transfer files from the Olive unit to your Computer.

Unfortunately, I am not on Windows, so I cannot do a step by step with picture to help you, but WinSCP has some well done documentation that might give you a start.

Once I have time, I will try to produce a complete step by step on how to do complete backup for Windows users (using rsync for Windows). But that may take some time since I am quite busy at the moment.

Hope this will help you,
Franck

Thanks Franck,

Nice to hear that something like Winscp exists, and rsync too.
Saves me trouble, today I had some (other) work to do.

Marc

Hi - has anyone been able to view an Olive back-up (on a portable drive) on a PC (Windows 7 or XP)? Using the latest, incremental back-up software from OIve (4.2.0 and later). In my case, the drive mounts without issue, and is recognized, but Winows explorer does not 'see' it; when looking in device manager, there is no information on partitions, size etc. So the drive seems invisible to Windows. Is Linux needed?

Everyone, thank you so much for your thoughts/advice about Olive file access, but i guess I'm just not getting it.

Marc -- able to log in (for access to ssh I guess, don't really know what it is I'm doing) via "http://10.1.1.36/builtDhtmlx.php" and get "command run successfully," but can't make heads nor tails of what to do with PuTTY after that.

Franck -- tried all combination of entries I could come up with for "host" and "user" and "password" in WinSCP, but nothing logs in successfully (didn't even enter anything for "Private key file").

Mats -- switching file extensions to flac through XBMC import not even an issue at this point, as additional attempts to import files via that route always end in "Failed to copy at least one file, Operation aborted." This happened in version 11.0 and now 12.0 -- can't figure out how to download version 10.1 per previous recommendation, if that would even help.

Perhaps I'm just a "lost cause" at this point -- additional help is obviously very much appreciated, but don't waste your time, either!

Mike

XBMC - I opened the program this am (MAC OSX system at home), XBMC found the Olive (UPNP) no problem, and saw the files correctly, playback no issue. But in file manager, the copy command is no longer available. Per XMBC documentation, it seems like read permission is not enabled at the Olive end which would explain why copying is not working/available. XBMC requires proper read/write permissions at both ends.

OK, I answered the question: It is a Linux file system, type ext3. There are downlaods avaliable to view this on Windows or OSX. However the file system looks like
a set of files where the flac files (audio library, folders are named CD_0oxxxx where xxx is a hex number, and within just rack1, 2 etc.) are separated from the metadata.

So, the hope to be able to get these files directly from the Olive back up disk in the event of an Olive failure does not seems so easy.

Hi,

perhaps you did something wrong !?
(see guide below for checking your procedure)

regards
Mats


XBMC and OliveLibrary

0. Start XBMC (Better use XBMC 10.1 than 11.0, which is not compatible with some Win/MacOS - OliveOS combinations)

1. First click -system- and -file manager- to reach that site where you have to initialize source (= left side) and destination (= right side) first resp. before using both for copying files.

2. So choose -addsource- and -browse- and -upnp-devices- on the left side.

3. Wait a minute until XBMC found OliveLibrary – then click -OliveLibrary- and directories artist, album etc. are displayed.

4. Click O.K.

5. Now -add files source-window appears: Above you can see a cryptical upnp-adress and below -OliveLibrary-

6. Click O.K. to save this source

7. Now -OliveLibrary- is displayed on the source-list . You have to click it on the left side of the screen so that the content -artist, album etc.- is displayed, too

8. But if you - even now - click it with the right mouse key no COPY-command appears – because first you have to choose and initialize your copy-destination on the right side of the source-screen.

9. So click -add source- and -browse- on the right side, too and choose your favourite destination directory ( or external HDD) and click -O.K.-
After that -add files source-window is displayed here, too : Above you can see the choosen destination directory adress and below the name of the directory.
Click -O.K.-, so that this source is saved as destination directory !

10. Now click this destination on the right side to open it – after that its directory structure is displayed.

11. Now you are able to go on at the left side (=copy source) of the screen:
Click album, artist etc with the right mouse key and now the requested COPY-command is displayed in the menu .

12. Once established you can use XBMC only by clicking source and destination in future !
Edited by Uthlande - 1/31/13 at 9:24am

XMBC: Great point..I did not select a destination before I right clicked. Will try again and see if copy appears. Running XMBC version 11 on latest MAC OS..

Mats

Thanks for the details on XBMC

I finally got 10.1 to work with the Olive

edit: 11.0 also works with Olive: and is compatible with iPad apps

Mike, able to login! Great, first step taken!

WinSCP: host=ip address of your Olive. Password=tj270442
(I did not try it though. Leave XBMC to the poor guys who have the so called HD versions)

Marc

Hello Mats, Marc, et al -
some comments -
1. yes, selecting a destination in XMBC file manager allowed copy. My bad (earlier post). Copy gets everything right, except, as before, that files lose the .flac extension and so must be renamed. But once that is done, XMBC plays without issue. Since JRiver is not available for OSX, can't comment on how it would handle this.
2. I mounted the Olive back up hard drive (ext3 file structure) on the home MAC using some free downloads (FUSE for OSX, just google it and follow the cnet link)
3. XMBC was able to see the OLive audio library back up folder and play the files. However, the CD names are of the form CD_0XXXX, once you select a file in any CD, everything appears, including low resolution graphics as Olive uses. So, a tedious task if you have to rename every CD file.

So, multiple ways to get files from Olive if needed, none perfect that I have seen. But incremental back-up worked again tonight on the Olive without issue.

Will be in downtown SF next week, tempted to stop by Olive's offices and say hello. Time is tight, esp. with all this FUSE stuff.


Also, for earlier post-er question - XMBC can be windowed - select it from set-up menu.

Thanks, Marc, although I'm still getting no further.

Logging in successfully through the browser to get to ssh via "http://10.1.1.36/builtDhtmlx.php" and get "command run successfully," but getting "authentication failed" in WinSCP with host address of 10.0.0.4 (which worked for the ssh login) and the password you gave (and given earlier) of "tj270442." Used "olive" as username again, maybe not right...

Hi Mike, the user is root. Not olive.

Marc

New software updates now available, but no accompanying notes (yet). My 4HD offered it automatically today. BUT... it's currently stuck on 80%! Will update here if it completes OK.

V

I got the update to go through OK on my 06HD

Update on my experience.. STILL frozen after 4 hours! Got to 80% in 10 minutes or so and then nothing. Anyone know whether I should risk switching it off and then (after a break) on again? V

Hi V.
The new software is installed on a not used part as far as I know.
So imho you could try it a second time.

Marc

did you try the cancel button?

I think it is OK to reboot it and try again

Yes. tried cancel - no response. I'll try the various reboots. Ta. V

Re-booted and AOK. But have postponed software update until the machine cools down a bit. It was VERY hot to touch!
V

Software update now completed. No idea what has changed! Anyone spotted any differences to the 4HD?
V
Edited by Viritrilbia - 2/1/13 at 11:48am

Hello Mike - when you get this all sorted out, will you post your final method and how it worked out? Could be useful for numerous people.

OK.. now I've got an Android tablet and started using the Olive app. BUT while it does have a volume control, it doesn't (unless I've missed something) have an A-Z scroll bar, which the IOS app does. There is a fast scroll point which appears on the right of the screen when I start scrolling, but it is still nowhere near as quick as selecting an initial letter (e.g. for artists) and then selecting the one you want. As I have many hundreds of artists I find that by the time I've scrolled down to K the app has crashed because it can't cope with all the scrolling.

It seems that I need to keep my iPod on for selecting what to play and my Android tablet ready to control the volume. CRAZY!!

Can anyone tell me I've missed something on the Android app? PLEASE?

From the Release Notes O4.3.2.:

Perform Linux fsck checking at system boot .....

About time !! This would be hugely important for machines till O4.1.9, too - and would minimize number of customer inquiries at the Olive Support Team, I guess.

Mats

P.S. Release 4.3.2. follows 4.3.0., what happened to 4.3.1. ??
Edited by Uthlande - 2/2/13 at 6:41am

Actually, it says:
It does not say which partition is checked!
My Olives still do the check trough the "GUI induced checking", so to say, and I don't know (yet) how to avoid it, which apparently is possible
And only the data partition with the music is checked, not the equally important cfg directory, and not the system partition. I wonder if that is even possible, and I doubt that it is done with this update.

Marc

Hi clpetersen, you could try it for yourself I think.

I now have the habit to update my external backup a couple of times per month, and send the new stuff to my O-Live. I only tend to forget that I must exclude zCFGDB and zPROFDB.
In the mean time, I always can play music.

This is the command:
- from the working Olive to the external backup:
rsync -rvua root@10.1.1.36:/data/* /bu
- from the external backup to the O-Live
touch /bu/zDB
rsync -rvua --exclude=zCFGDB --exclude=zPROFDB /bu/* root@10.1.1.35:/data

Marc

Strange, when I connect my Backup HDD to my windows (7) computer, the windows computer does NOT recoqnise ANY content.
I asked Olive whether this is a point of concern, but they responded, this is because of the encription, they use.
So, I am wondering how you succeeded in opening the content of the backup from the Olive on your computer?
Kind regards, Bram Hillen ( Holland )